---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/28/10: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:11 AM - Re: latex paint (John Franklin) 2. 05:56 AM - latex paint (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 06:14 AM - The other Ohio Fly-in (Kip and Beth Gardner) 4. 06:53 AM - Re: latex paint () 5. 06:53 AM - Re: New Piet in Indiana (Larry Morlock) 6. 07:24 AM - Re: New Piet in Indiana (TOM STINEMETZE) 7. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: New Piet in Indiana (Jack Phillips) 8. 07:38 AM - Re: latex paint (Rick Holland) 9. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: New Piet in Indiana (Jim Markle) 10. 07:41 AM - Smoke On! (Jack Phillips) 11. 07:48 AM - Re: latex paint (Tim Willis) 12. 07:52 AM - Re: Smoke On! (TOM STINEMETZE) 13. 07:53 AM - Re: latex paint (Tim Willis) 14. 08:01 AM - Re: latex paint (Dave Abramson) 15. 08:08 AM - Re: Smoke On! (Tim Willis) 16. 08:34 AM - Re: Smoke On! (Gary Boothe) 17. 08:49 AM - Re: Smoke On! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 18. 09:30 AM - Re: Smoke On! (chase143(at)aol.com) 19. 11:33 AM - First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP (ldmill) 20. 12:05 PM - Re: latex paint () 21. 12:08 PM - Re: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP (Dan Yocum) 22. 12:22 PM - Re: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP (Ryan Mueller) 23. 12:35 PM - Re: latex paint (Dan Yocum) 24. 12:49 PM - Re: latex paint (Gary Boothe) 25. 02:08 PM - Re: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 26. 02:22 PM - Re: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP (Jeff Boatright) 27. 03:38 PM - Re: Smoke On! (shad bell) 28. 04:26 PM - Builder Needed (Ken too) 29. 05:41 PM - Re: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP (Jack Phillips) 30. 05:43 PM - Re: Smoke On! (Jack Phillips) 31. 05:52 PM - Re: Smoke On! (Lagowski Morrow) 32. 05:53 PM - Re: Smoke On! (helspersew@aol.com) 33. 06:01 PM - Re: Smoke On! (Jeff Boatright) 34. 06:05 PM - Re: Builder Needed (bamabuilder) 35. 07:57 PM - Re: latex paint (GliderMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:01 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint Tim, If you browse through all of Oscar's links, you will find one that addresses that very subject, and the conclusion was that the white latex blocks UV better because of the titanium dioxide plus the improved reflectivity of the color: http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/latexpaint_uvbarrier.htm Regards, John F. GN-1 Richmond, TX -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Willis >Sent: May 27, 2010 3:57 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint > > >Oscar, > I looked at your interesting post linked to your "flying squirrel" site. Your methodology reflects the rigors of science in your >"day job." Thanks for starting this test. > However, was there a test of a black latex basecoat on a latex finish version? Looking at the all-latex finish that is translucent (upper right quadrant in your test apparatus), should we conclude that if one of the base latex coats had been black, that the light (and UV) would not be passing through the fabric? > In other words, is there a real basis for the belief that a black basecoat blocks UV? If so, to get this protection, do we need an extra finish coat if using light colors, to be able to cover completely the dark undercoats? Thus added protection at added weight. > BTW, in some Piets finished in standard stuff such as Polybrush, can we not see translucent light through light colors in the wings, and thus through two painted fabric layers, both above and below the ribs? (I recall seeing a couple of pix like that, with planes flying overhead with the sun almost directly behind. Finish unknown.) > Thanks for this test. >Tim in central TX > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Oscar Zuniga >>Sent: May 27, 2010 8:02 AM >>To: Pietenpol List >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint >> > > ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:01 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint Tim wrote: >was there a test of a black latex basecoat on a latex >finish version? No. I had read somewhere else that it is not necessary to use black paint to block the UV that we're trying to block. In those light wavelengths, any color of house paint will do the job because they are all formulated to cover and protect a house (or anything else we put it on). > Looking at the all-latex finish that is translucent >(upper right quadrant in your test apparatus), should we >conclude that if one of the base latex coats had been black, >that the light (and UV) would not be passing through the fabric? In that photo, you're looking at the back of the test frame. The translucent panel is completely bare fabric. The lower left hand quadrant is the latex-finished panel. >in some Piets finished in standard stuff such as Polybrush, >can we not see translucent light through light colors in >the wings, and thus through two painted fabric layers, both >above and below the ribs? I dunno. Everything I have read about the PolyFiber system is that the coating must be applied through silver to provide UV protection for the fabric. It is the UV that will cause the fabric to deteriorate in sunlight. The color coats are not necessary to protect the fabric from UV but I don't think you can just use Poly-Tone without using Poly-Spray under it to block the UV from getting to the polyester fabric. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:23 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Pietenpol-List: The other Ohio Fly-in Hey Everyone, While Shad's "Fly-in" (Yes, i know it's not an official event) is coming up soon, I'd like to remind everyone that our EAA Chapter is hosting a fly in next weekend that should be of interest to a lot of you. Both of Frank Pavliga's Piets are generally on display, and a lot of other vintage aircraft typically show up. Also, you'll get to look at a lot of Corvairs in 'ground mode' i.e. still in cars, and Roy of Roy's Garage will be there to talk about his fifth bearing work and other aspects of Corvair conversion. He will also inspect & measure any components you bring to determine if they are OK for conversion. Here's the official announcement: EAA 82 is having it's 4th Annual "WINGS AND WHEELS FLY-IN" on Saturday and Sunday, June 5 & 6th at BARBER AIRPORT (2D1). The field is located approximately three miles north of Alliance, Ohio on State Route 225. There will be aircraft with automotive and alternative engines - CORVAIRS AND VOLKSWAGENS on display. Ther will be a pancake breakfast on Saturday and Sunday from 7 till 11 AM with lunch on Saturday from noon till 2 PM. This event is open to the public. There will be homebuilt aircraft ( KR-2S's, Pietenpols, an Afford-a- Plane), PRA #19 (Rotorcraft Chapter) will have trikes and a demonstrator, and Vintage and Antique aircraft (Waco 9, Fleet, Taylorcrafts) on the field. There will be a fleet of some nicely restored Corvair cars on display. There will be several Corvair engines and a "Roy's Garage" Fifth Bearing on display for those who are interested in using a Corvair in their project. Roy Szarafinski of Roy's Garage will be present to answer questions about his bearing and will gladly check your engine cases for proper tolerances before you start an engine rebuild. The fly-in hours will be Saturday... 7 AM - 4 PM and Sunday... 7 AM - 2 PM. For more information, contact Ron Willett @ 330-314-0075, Pete Klapp @ 330-388-2074, or Forrest Barber (FBO) at WWW.BARBERAIRCRAFT.COM. We can provide lodging for those who would be flying in for our event. Hope to see you all there! Kip Gardner ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:41 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint I believe the findings were that all colors of latex had similar UV protection. That being true your "base" should be a color that will enhance your color coat. I would use a white base coat, maybe a high solid primer like Kilz that may also add some anti mildew properties, for light colors and maybe black for only darker colors where the white would make them harder to get the right shade. Or if your building a Night Fighter :-) ---- John Franklin wrote: > >Tim, > >If you browse through all of Oscar's links, you will find one that addresses that very subject, and the conclusion was that the white latex blocks UV better because of the titanium dioxide plus the improved reflectivity of the color: > >http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/latexpaint_uvbarrier.htm > >Regards, >John F. >GN-1 >Richmond, TX > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Tim Willis >>Sent: May 27, 2010 3:57 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint >> >> >>Oscar, >>I looked at your interesting post linked to your "flying squirrel" site. Your methodology reflects the rigors of science in your >>"day job." Thanks for starting this test. >>However, was there a test of a black latex basecoat on a latex finish version? Looking at the all-latex finish that is translucent (upper right quadrant in your test apparatus), should we conclude that if one of the base latex coats had been black, that the light (and UV) would not be passing through the fabric? >>In other words, is there a real basis for the belief that a black basecoat blocks UV? If so, to get this protection, do we need an extra finish coat if using light colors, to be able to cover completely the dark undercoats? Thus added protection at added weight. >>BTW, in some Piets finished in standard stuff such as Polybrush, can we not see translucent light through light colors in the wings, and thus through two painted fabric layers, both above and below the ribs? (I recall seeing a couple of pix like that, with planes flying overhead with the sun almost directly behind. Finish unknown.) >>Thanks for this test. >>Tim in central TX >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Oscar Zuniga >>>Sent: May 27, 2010 8:02 AM >>>To: Pietenpol List >>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint >>> > >> >> >> > > >________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:41 AM PST US From: "Larry Morlock" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Piet in Indiana I'd like to introduce myself to everyone on the Pietenpol list. My name is Larry Morlock and I'm the person Douwe Blumberg referred to as having a new Pietenpol project in Columbus, Indiana. In fact, I have the privilege of acquiring the Model A engine that was in Douwe's Piet. My project is not exactly new. I acquired it as a partially completed project in 1993, worked on it for a couple of years and then it languished for about 15 years until I retired last year. I've put a lot of time into it since then. The attached photo shows it as I was doing a preliminary weight and balance. The wing is now covered with fabric and I'm about to start the enviable job of rib stitching. I've enjoyed reading the Pietenpol list entries for the last few months, and Douwe convinced me to start contributing to the conversation. I plan to be in Brodhead this year so hope to meet up with others on the list. Larry Morlock ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:19 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Piet in Indiana Larry: Welcome to the list even though it appears you will be in the air long before I will. I particularly like your photo as it shows just how much your Piet wants to go flying. It appears that you had to chain it to the floor of the hanger to keep it from drifting off. Maybe you don't even need to cover the wings. Tom Stinemetze N328X (in the making) do not archive >>> "Larry Morlock" 5/28/2010 8:46 AM >>> I'd like to introduce myself to everyone on the Pietenpol list. My name is Larry Morlock and I'm the person Douwe Blumberg referred to as having a new Pietenpol project in Columbus, Indiana. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:30 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Piet in Indiana Looks great, Larry. It's good to have you on this site, and I look forward to meeting you at Brodhead this summer. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Morlock Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Piet in Indiana I'd like to introduce myself to everyone on the Pietenpol list. My name is Larry Morlock and I'm the person Douwe Blumberg referred to as having a new Pietenpol project in Columbus, Indiana. In fact, I have the privilege of acquiring the Model A engine that was in Douwe's Piet. My project is not exactly new. I acquired it as a partially completed project in 1993, worked on it for a couple of years and then it languished for about 15 years until I retired last year. I've put a lot of time into it since then. The attached photo shows it as I was doing a preliminary weight and balance. The wing is now covered with fabric and I'm about to start the enviable job of rib stitching. I've enjoyed reading the Pietenpol list entries for the last few months, and Douwe convinced me to start contributing to the conversation. I plan to be in Brodhead this year so hope to meet up with others on the list. Larry Morlock ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint From: Rick Holland For those of you whose have not seen my Latex test panel project, it is going on 5 years (in August) pointing true South at 6700 ft. in Colorado. Still looks great. Punch tested it last year and one side the tester could not punch the fabric and punched through on the other side only at the maximum rating of the tester. This is with two cross-coats of Sherwin-Williams Super Paint Gloss, on bare medium fabric on one side and on top of a coat of Poly-Brush on the other. This is exposed 7x7 and 365 days a year so if you have your plane out of the hanger 100 hrs/year you will have to own your plane 438 years to get the same exposure to the Sun (and leave it out in several hail/snow/rain storms). I definitely do not believe you need any black latex base coat, am painting mine with two cross-coats of latex primer and two latex satin top cross-coats. rick On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Tim wrote: > > >was there a test of a black latex basecoat on a latex > >finish version? > > No. I had read somewhere else that it is not necessary > to use black paint to block the UV that we're trying to > block. In those light wavelengths, any color of house > paint will do the job because they are all formulated to > cover and protect a house (or anything else we put it on). > > > Looking at the all-latex finish that is translucent > >(upper right quadrant in your test apparatus), should we > >conclude that if one of the base latex coats had been black, > >that the light (and UV) would not be passing through the fabric? > > In that photo, you're looking at the back of the test frame. > The translucent panel is completely bare fabric. The lower > left hand quadrant is the latex-finished panel. > > >in some Piets finished in standard stuff such as Polybrush, > >can we not see translucent light through light colors in > >the wings, and thus through two painted fabric layers, both > >above and below the ribs? > > I dunno. Everything I have read about the PolyFiber system > is that the coating must be applied through silver to provide > UV protection for the fabric. It is the UV that will cause > the fabric to deteriorate in sunlight. The color coats are not > necessary to protect the fabric from UV but I don't think > you can just use Poly-Tone without using Poly-Spray under it > to block the UV from getting to the polyester fabric. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:29 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Piet in Indiana That's NICE Larry! I especially like the colors/paint layout. I've wondered for a long time how to blend in the paint right behind the pilot's area...I think I'll do mine the way yours is layed out. So for the umpteenth time I've just spoken the words "Wow, I hope mine ends up THAT nice!" JM -----Original Message----- From: Larry Morlock Sent: May 28, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Piet in Indiana I'd like to introduce myself to everyone on the Pietenpol list. My name is Larry Morlock and I'm the person Douwe Blumberg referred to as having a new Pietenpol project in Columbus, Indiana. In fact, I have the privilege of acquiring the Model A engine that was in Douwe's Piet. My project is not exactly new. I acquired it as a partially completed project in 1993, worked on it for a couple of years and then it languished for about 15 years until I retired last year. I've put a lot of time into it since then. The attached photo shows it as I was doing a preliminary weight and balance. The wing is now covered with fabric and I'm about to start the enviable job of rib stitching. I've enjoyed reading the Pietenpol list entries for the last few months, and Douwe convinced me to start contributing to the conversation. I plan to be in Brodhead this year so hope to meet up with others on the list. Larry Morlock ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:47 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! Now Mike Cuy and Chuck Gantzer aren=92t the only ones who can smoke =91em. I have added a smoke system to my Pietenpol and after being disappointed with the initial results, I have tweaked the installation with a larger oil supply line and now have outstanding smoke. I used a 3.5 gallon outboard motor fuel tank which is positioned on the floor between the front rudder pedals. When flying passengers I will simply remove the tank (it is held in place with a bungee cord), disconnect the quick-disconnect on the outboard motor fuel line and get the tank out of the way. When I want to smoke =91em, I fill the tank with used automatic transmission fluid (cost ' nothing, as opposed to the =93real smoke oil=94, Texaco Canopus 13, that Mike Cuy uses for $582 a 55 gallon drum, or the baby oil that Chuck favors at an even higher price). Then I reposition the tank on the floor board, stretch the bungee cord around to hold it in place, reconnect the tank=92s quick disconnect and give the primer bulb a couple of squeezes to prime the smoke oil into the line. The system is powered by an automobile windshield washer pump mounted on the firewall, with a momentary push button on the instrument panel to energize the pump. From the pump, I ran a line that uses about 12=94 of black rubber hose (which came with the pump) and then transitions to =BC=94 stainless steel tubing that runs to a port welded into the exhaust stack of # 1 cylinder. I just did a quick test of it this morning before the predicted storms roll in, but will do a more extensive test next week, with pictures and video. I want to find out just how much smoke 3.5 gallons of transmission fluid can make. Maybe I need to put the same system on my RV-4=85 Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:05 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint Oscar, Thanks for anothe good post. Your following words solved the problem for me: "In that photo, you're looking at the back of the test frame. The translucent panel is completely bare fabric. The lower left hand quadrant is the latex-finished panel." Obviously I misunderstood what I was seeing. All my other questions and concerns are moot. I will consider latex paint. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga >Sent: May 28, 2010 7:55 AM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint > > > >Tim wrote: > >>was there a test of a black latex basecoat on a latex >>finish version? > >No. I had read somewhere else that it is not necessary >to use black paint to block the UV that we're trying to >block. In those light wavelengths, any color of house >paint will do the job because they are all formulated to >cover and protect a house (or anything else we put it on). > >> Looking at the all-latex finish that is translucent >>(upper right quadrant in your test apparatus), should we >>conclude that if one of the base latex coats had been black, >>that the light (and UV) would not be passing through the fabric? > >In that photo, you're looking at the back of the test frame. >The translucent panel is completely bare fabric. The lower >left hand quadrant is the latex-finished panel. > >>in some Piets finished in standard stuff such as Polybrush, >>can we not see translucent light through light colors in >>the wings, and thus through two painted fabric layers, both >>above and below the ribs? > >I dunno. Everything I have read about the PolyFiber system >is that the coating must be applied through silver to provide >UV protection for the fabric. It is the UV that will cause >the fabric to deteriorate in sunlight. The color coats are not >necessary to protect the fabric from UV but I don't think >you can just use Poly-Tone without using Poly-Spray under it >to block the UV from getting to the polyester fabric. > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:35 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! Jack: Hope you have fire sleeve on that black rubber hose! Smoke is OK. Fire - not so much! Stinemetze N328X >>> "Jack Phillips" 5/28/2010 9:38 AM >>> Now Mike Cuy and Chuck Gantzer arent the only ones who can smoke em. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:27 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint Thanks, John. do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: John Franklin >Sent: May 28, 2010 6:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint > > >Tim, > >If you browse through all of Oscar's links, you will find one that addresses that very subject, and the conclusion was that the white latex blocks UV better because of the titanium dioxide plus the improved reflectivity of the color: > >http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/latexpaint_uvbarrier.htm > >Regards, >John F. >GN-1 >Richmond, TX > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Tim Willis >>Sent: May 27, 2010 3:57 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint >> >> >>Oscar, >> I looked at your interesting post linked to your "flying squirrel" site. Your methodology reflects the rigors of science in your >>"day job." Thanks for starting this test. >> However, was there a test of a black latex basecoat on a latex finish version? Looking at the all-latex finish that is translucent (upper right quadrant in your test apparatus), should we conclude that if one of the base latex coats had been black, that the light (and UV) would not be passing through the fabric? >> In other words, is there a real basis for the belief that a black basecoat blocks UV? If so, to get this protection, do we need an extra finish coat if using light colors, to be able to cover completely the dark undercoats? Thus added protection at added weight. >> BTW, in some Piets finished in standard stuff such as Polybrush, can we not see translucent light through light colors in the wings, and thus through two painted fabric layers, both above and below the ribs? (I recall seeing a couple of pix like that, with planes flying overhead with the sun almost directly behind. Finish unknown.) >> Thanks for this test. >>Tim in central TX >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Oscar Zuniga >>>Sent: May 27, 2010 8:02 AM >>>To: Pietenpol List >>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint >>> > >> >> >> > > >________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:56 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: latex paint Me Too!!!!!!!!!!!! do not archive Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 7:30 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint For those of you whose have not seen my Latex test panel project, it is going on 5 years (in August) pointing true South at 6700 ft. in Colorado. Still looks great. Punch tested it last year and one side the tester could not punch the fabric and punched through on the other side only at the maximum rating of the tester. This is with two cross-coats of Sherwin-Williams Super Paint Gloss, on bare medium fabric on one side and on top of a coat of Poly-Brush on the other. This is exposed 7x7 and 365 days a year so if you have your plane out of the hanger 100 hrs/year you will have to own your plane 438 years to get the same exposure to the Sun (and leave it out in several hail/snow/rain storms). I definitely do not believe you need any black latex base coat, am painting mine with two cross-coats of latex primer and two latex satin top cross-coats. rick On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: Tim wrote: >was there a test of a black latex basecoat on a latex >finish version? No. I had read somewhere else that it is not necessary to use black paint to block the UV that we're trying to block. In those light wavelengths, any color of house paint will do the job because they are all formulated to cover and protect a house (or anything else we put it on). > Looking at the all-latex finish that is translucent >(upper right quadrant in your test apparatus), should we >conclude that if one of the base latex coats had been black, >that the light (and UV) would not be passing through the fabric? In that photo, you're looking at the back of the test frame. The translucent panel is completely bare fabric. The lower left hand quadrant is the latex-finished panel. >in some Piets finished in standard stuff such as Polybrush, >can we not see translucent light through light colors in >the wings, and thus through two painted fabric layers, both >above and below the ribs? I dunno. Everything I have read about the PolyFiber system is that the coating must be applied through silver to provide UV protection for the fabric. It is the UV that will cause the fabric to deteriorate in sunlight. The color coats are not necessary to protect the fabric from UV but I don't think you can just use Poly-Tone without using Poly-Spray under it to block the UV from getting to the polyester fabric. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:00 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! Sounds great, Jack. I especially like your oil sourcing-- true Piet scrounging. Dan H. will have to check the BP archives to see if Bernard ever did that. Hey, if CG is Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer, will you become known as Jack "Tranny Oil" Phillips? It has a NASCAR sound to it, maybe a C&W song to follow. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: May 28, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! Now Mike Cuy and Chuck Gantzer arent the only ones who can smoke em. I have added a smoke system to my Pietenpol and after being disappointed with the initial results, I have tweaked the installation with a larger oil supply line and now have outstanding smoke. I used a 3.5 gallon outboard motor fuel tank which is positioned on the floor between the front rudder pedals. When flying passengers I will simply remove the tank (it is held in place with a bungee cord), disconnect the quick-disconnect on the outboard motor fuel line and get the tank out of the way. When I want to smoke em, I fill the tank with used automatic transmission fluid (cost nothing, as opposed to the real smoke oil, Texaco Canopus 13, that Mike Cuy uses for $582 a 55 gallon drum, or the baby oil that Chuck favors at an even higher price). Then I reposition the tank on the floor board, stretch the bungee cord around to hold it in place, reconnect the tanks quick disconnect and give the primer bulb a couple of squeezes to prime the smoke oil into the line. The system is powered by an automobile windshield washer pump mounted on the firewall, with a momentary push button on the instrument panel to energize the pump. From the pump, I ran a line that uses about 12 of black rubber hose (which came with the pump) and then transitions to stainless steel tubing that runs to a port welded into the exhaust stack of # 1 cylinder. I just did a quick test of it this morning before the predicted storms roll in, but will do a more extensive test next week, with pictures and video. I want to find out just how much smoke 3.5 gallons of transmission fluid can make. Maybe I need to put the same system on my RV-4 Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:01 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! I was following a pick-up down the highway the other day that appeared to have that very system=85worked for several miles!! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 7:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! Now Mike Cuy and Chuck Gantzer aren=92t the only ones who can smoke =91em. I have added a smoke system to my Pietenpol and after being disappointed with the initial results, I have tweaked the installation with a larger oil supply line and now have outstanding smoke. I used a 3.5 gallon outboard motor fuel tank which is positioned on the floor between the front rudder pedals. When flying passengers I will simply remove the tank (it is held in place with a bungee cord), disconnect the quick-disconnect on the outboard motor fuel line and get the tank out of the way. When I want to smoke =91em, I fill the tank with used automatic transmission fluid (cost ' nothing, as opposed to the =93real smoke oil=94, Texaco Canopus 13, that Mike Cuy uses for $582 a 55 gallon drum, or the baby oil that Chuck favors at an even higher price). Then I reposition the tank on the floor board, stretch the bungee cord around to hold it in place, reconnect the tank=92s quick disconnect and give the primer bulb a couple of squeezes to prime the smoke oil into the line. The system is powered by an automobile windshield washer pump mounted on the firewall, with a momentary push button on the instrument panel to energize the pump. From the pump, I ran a line that uses about 12=94 of black rubber hose (which came with the pump) and then transitions to =BC=94 stainless steel tubing that runs to a port welded into the exhaust stack of # 1 cylinder. I just did a quick test of it this morning before the predicted storms roll in, but will do a more extensive test next week, with pictures and video. I want to find out just how much smoke 3.5 gallons of transmission fluid can make. Maybe I need to put the same system on my RV-4=85 Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:58 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! Fantastic report Jack. I'm thrilled for you. You'll have a BLAST with that system. One thing I love to do on super calm nights before sunset is to cruise in l evel flight, lay a track of smoke then do a strong pulling turn left or rig ht. You look over your shoulder and can see how the horizontal tail vorti ces swirl the smoke until it curls in on itself like you see in low, fast m oving storm clouds. Another cool thing to do is a 60 degree steep turn with smoke. When you run into your own smoke at the 360 degree point you know your altitude didn't stray and you'll hit your wake/ propwash. Now you've got me thinking (once I finally run out of my last 5 gallon cont ainer of smoke oil) about switching to used transmission fluid. What say you now about the color quality of the smoke ? White, off white , gray white, ? I only carry =BD gallon of smoke oil but if I would have to guess I can lay 7 or so swaths approximately 3,000 feet in length with that so I'm hoping that with your 3.5 gallons you'll be able to smoke like crazy for a long ti me. One thing you might want to avoid is smoking at lower throttle settings. Two things happen. You get raw fluid mixed with smoke because the your EG T isn't hot enough to fully vaporize the flow and two, the raw fluid reduce s the life of the rubber strands in your bungee cords---makes them stiff, s omewhat brittle. You'll notice when you replace your bungees again in a number of years when they are ready once again to be replaced that the smoke side will be less flexible than you non-smoking side. Carry on ! [cid:image002.jpg@01CAFE5B.976D6B50] ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Smoke On! From: "chase143(at)aol.com" Jack, Have you considered sky-writing!? I've done the calculations for you: 3.5gals, at 5,000', 30kts of wind, you can probably get "Smith Mountain Lake Bedford Lan..."! Oh, you'll still have oil, but you will be out of gas! Better use the RV! BTW, Congrates. Steve -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299152#299152 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP From: "ldmill" The weather finally cooperated today. Been waiting for 2 weeks for winds to be under 10 mph - this morning they were gusting to 1mph with severe clear sky. I bought N30PP, a GN-1 with a Piet wing from a retired gent, and it's finally sitting in my hanger in Marshalltown, Iowa. 1.4 hours later of t&g, and sightseeing. It was my first flight in a Piet style plane, or even an open cockpit - what a blast!! Actually, it was my first tailwheel solo, come to think of it. All tailwheel time to date has been with instructor cause they don't let the cub go Solo. Glad I had the Cub time, the Grega flys pretty similar. It was interesting to have to keep power in all the way onto the ground. Pulling power completely off more than about 2 feet above the ground results in brick-like performance. Anyway, just had to blabber, I had WAAAAY too much fun :D Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299173#299173 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:33 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: latex paint One question about Latex paint I haven't seen answered anywahere ia a procedure or practical way to repair holes or tears. With other systems it is pretty well spelled out but will fabric glue stick to the painted fabric and if not how would one go about removing it? Anyone have suggestions? I would hesitate to paint with Latex if I didn't have a way to repair it. Rodney Hall ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:23 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP Congrats! Fun, ain't it? 60-65 on final is a good speed with 50 over the numbers and she'll 3- point every time. Fly a nice high and tight pattern right to final then cut the throttle and manage your speed with pitch (and a little power when you feel the urge). You really can land a Piet in the length of a tennis court with the net up. Got any pictures of your "new" bird? Dan -- yocum@gmail.com On May 28, 2010, at 2:32 PM, ldmill wrote: > > > > The weather finally cooperated today. Been waiting for 2 weeks for > winds to be under 10 mph - this morning they were gusting to 1mph > with severe clear sky. I bought N30PP, a GN-1 with a Piet wing from > a retired gent, and it's finally sitting in my hanger in > Marshalltown, Iowa. 1.4 hours later of t&g, and sightseeing. > > It was my first flight in a Piet style plane, or even an open > cockpit - what a blast!! Actually, it was my first tailwheel solo, > come to think of it. All tailwheel time to date has been with > instructor cause they don't let the cub go Solo. Glad I had the Cub > time, the Grega flys pretty similar. It was interesting to have to > keep power in all the way onto the ground. Pulling power completely > off more than about 2 feet above the ground results in brick-like > performance. > > Anyway, just had to blabber, I had WAAAAY too much fun :D > > Lorin > > -------- > Lorin Miller > Waiex N81YX > GN-1 N30PP > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP From: Ryan Mueller There are a few pics on Westcoastpiet: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/n30pp.htm Ryan On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Congrats! Fun, ain't it? > > 60-65 on final is a good speed with 50 over the numbers and she'll 3-point > every time. Fly a nice high and tight pattern right to final then cut the > throttle and manage your speed with pitch (and a little power when you feel > the urge). You really can land a Piet in the length of a tennis court with > the net up. > > Got any pictures of your "new" bird? > > Dan > > > -- > yocum@gmail.com > > > On May 28, 2010, at 2:32 PM, ldmill wrote: > >> >> The weather finally cooperated today. Been waiting for 2 weeks for winds >> to be under 10 mph - this morning they were gusting to 1mph with severe >> clear sky. I bought N30PP, a GN-1 with a Piet wing from a retired gent, and >> it's finally sitting in my hanger in Marshalltown, Iowa. 1.4 hours later of >> t&g, and sightseeing. >> >> It was my first flight in a Piet style plane, or even an open cockpit - >> what a blast!! Actually, it was my first tailwheel solo, come to think of >> it. All tailwheel time to date has been with instructor cause they don't let >> the cub go Solo. Glad I had the Cub time, the Grega flys pretty similar. It >> was interesting to have to keep power in all the way onto the ground. >> Pulling power completely off more than about 2 feet above the ground results >> in brick-like performance. >> >> Anyway, just had to blabber, I had WAAAAY too much fun :D >> >> Lorin >> >> -------- >> Lorin Miller >> Waiex N81YX >> GN-1 N30PP >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:16 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint Shad just gave me (us) a quick rundown of the procedure within the last couple months. Google 'Yocum Shad pietenpol latex site:matronics.com' and you'll probably find the discussion. MEK is involved. Dan -- yocum@gmail.com On May 28, 2010, at 3:03 PM, r.r.hall@cox.net wrote: > One question about Latex paint I haven't seen answered anywahere ia > a procedure or practical way to repair holes or tears. With > other systems it is pretty well spelled out but will fabric glue > stick to the painted fabric and if not how would one go about > removing it? Anyone have suggestions? I would hesitate to paint with > Latex if I didn't have a way to repair it. Rodney Hall > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:41 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: latex paint I'll be using Benjamin Moore Aura Exterior (Data Sheet attached). These are low VOC paints who tout a very good cold joint result. One of the ASTM's they are tested to is ASTM 522, which is bending the paint over a 1" dia mandrel (flexible). Also advertised as "self priming," even over aluminum! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 5:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint Tim wrote: >was there a test of a black latex basecoat on a latex >finish version? No. I had read somewhere else that it is not necessary to use black paint to block the UV that we're trying to block. In those light wavelengths, any color of house paint will do the job because they are all formulated to cover and protect a house (or anything else we put it on). > Looking at the all-latex finish that is translucent >(upper right quadrant in your test apparatus), should we >conclude that if one of the base latex coats had been black, >that the light (and UV) would not be passing through the fabric? In that photo, you're looking at the back of the test frame. The translucent panel is completely bare fabric. The lower left hand quadrant is the latex-finished panel. >in some Piets finished in standard stuff such as Polybrush, >can we not see translucent light through light colors in >the wings, and thus through two painted fabric layers, both >above and below the ribs? I dunno. Everything I have read about the PolyFiber system is that the coating must be applied through silver to provide UV protection for the fabric. It is the UV that will cause the fabric to deteriorate in sunlight. The color coats are not necessary to protect the fabric from UV but I don't think you can just use Poly-Tone without using Poly-Spray under it to block the UV from getting to the polyester fabric. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:17 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP CONGRATULATIONS on flying your newly purchased GN-1 Lorin ! (not to mention congrats on your 1st conventional gear solo and 1st open cockpit time. Isn't it great ? Nothing at all like a C-150 or Cherokee. Good that you had plenty of J-3 Cub time and that you were discerning of waiting for the best weather conditions to fly. I congratulate you on your patience. I recall waiting for nearly a WEEK for a fair day to fly my Piet for the first time. It was maddening as the winds were gusty for at least six straight days and there was no way I was going to chance it. Hope you have many, many, more hours of fun, safe, enjoyable flying ! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:21 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP You know, there was a time when I got out of flying - just wasn't as excited about it as I thought I would be when I started. Then I got a ride in a Piet at Brodhead. Now I own a Piet (well, 1/3 of one) and fly every chance I get. Just went up last night for over an hour. Was having so much fun I stayed up too long and ended up rolling it into the hangar moments before it got too dark to see what I was doing. If I lived at the field, I'd probably fly every morning and every evening. You're exactly right - nothing at all like a Cessna or Cherokee. >(GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" > >...Nothing at all like a C-150 or Cherokee. ... > >Mike C. > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:48 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! One way I found to make 92gb smoke is to burn a hole in a piston, it is how ever a black, noisy type of smoke, and doesn't last very long. Shad ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Builder Needed From: "Ken too" Hi, Please help me find some one to finish my Piet - my builder contacted a case of old age & had to stop building The fuselage, tail feathers,ribs, center section & all the metal hardware, has been built - we have a running Corvar engine on a test stand with motor mount Need wings put together - (have spars in box from Aircraft Spruce) Need landing gear ( have wheels & axels) Need gas tank ( have a roil of aluminum) I have a Moni Motorglider kit with engine, or money to trade for building I am located in NW Alabama, just a flyer - not a builder Thanks for any help you can offer Ken Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299209#299209 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:52 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP Excellent news, Lorin. Will you be bringing it to Brodhead in a couple of months? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ldmill Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 2:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1 N30PP The weather finally cooperated today. Been waiting for 2 weeks for winds to be under 10 mph - this morning they were gusting to 1mph with severe clear sky. I bought N30PP, a GN-1 with a Piet wing from a retired gent, and it's finally sitting in my hanger in Marshalltown, Iowa. 1.4 hours later of t&g, and sightseeing. It was my first flight in a Piet style plane, or even an open cockpit - what a blast!! Actually, it was my first tailwheel solo, come to think of it. All tailwheel time to date has been with instructor cause they don't let the cub go Solo. Glad I had the Cub time, the Grega flys pretty similar. It was interesting to have to keep power in all the way onto the ground. Pulling power completely off more than about 2 feet above the ground results in brick-like performance. Anyway, just had to blabber, I had WAAAAY too much fun :D Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299173#299173 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:26 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! Isn't that the standard smoke system in a Corvair? Sorry - just kidding. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! One way I found to make 92gb smoke is to burn a hole in a piston, it is how ever a black, noisy type of smoke, and doesn't last very long. Shad ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:15 PM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! Smoke On!Jack, I love it-Jim lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! Now Mike Cuy and Chuck Gantzer aren't the only ones who can smoke 'em. I have added a smoke system to my Pietenpol and after being disappointed with the initial results, I have tweaked the installation with a larger oil supply line and now have outstanding smoke. I used a 3.5 gallon outboard motor fuel tank which is positioned on the floor between the front rudder pedals. When flying passengers I will simply remove the tank (it is held in place with a bungee cord), disconnect the quick-disconnect on the outboard motor fuel line and get the tank out of the way. When I want to smoke 'em, I fill the tank with used automatic transmission fluid (cost - nothing, as opposed to the "real smoke oil", Texaco Canopus 13, that Mike Cuy uses for $582 a 55 gallon drum, or the baby oil that Chuck favors at an even higher price). Then I reposition the tank on the floor board, stretch the bungee cord around to hold it in place, reconnect the tank's quick disconnect and give the primer bulb a couple of squeezes to prime the smoke oil into the line. The system is powered by an automobile windshield washer pump mounted on the firewall, with a momentary push button on the instrument panel to energize the pump. From the pump, I ran a line that uses about 12" of black rubber hose (which came with the pump) and then transitions to =BC" stainless steel tubing that runs to a port welded into the exhaust stack of # 1 cylinder. I just did a quick test of it this morning before the predicted storms roll in, but will do a more extensive test next week, with pictures and video. I want to find out just how much smoke 3.5 gallons of transmission fluid can make. Maybe I need to put the same system on my RV-4. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! From: helspersew@aol.com Jack, This system sound really cool. A real Rube Goldberg installation....these are the BEST!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 9:38 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! Now Mike Cuy and Chuck Gantzer aren=99t the only ones who can smoke =98em. I have added a smoke system to my Pietenpol and after being disappointed with the initial results, I have tweaked the installation wi th a larger oil supply line and now have outstanding smoke. I used a 3.5 gallon outboard motor fuel tank which is positioned on the fl oor between the front rudder pedals. When flying passengers I will simply remove the tank (it is held in place with a bungee cord), disconnect the quick-disconnect on the outboard motor fuel line and get the tank out of the way. When I want to smoke =98em, I fill the tank with used aut omatic transmission fluid (cost =93 nothing, as opposed to the =9Creal smoke oil=9D, Texaco Canopus 13, that Mike Cuy uses for $582 a 55 gallon drum, or the baby oil that Chuck favors at an even highe r price). Then I reposition the tank on the floor board, stretch the bung ee cord around to hold it in place, reconnect the tank=99s quick dis connect and give the primer bulb a couple of squeezes to prime the smoke oil into the line. The system is powered by an automobile windshield washer pump mounted on the firewall, with a momentary push button on the instrument panel to ene rgize the pump. From the pump, I ran a line that uses about 12=9D of black rubber hose (which came with the pump) and then transitions to =C2=BC=9D stainless steel tubing that runs to a port welded into th e exhaust stack of # 1 cylinder. I just did a quick test of it this morning before the predicted storms rol l in, but will do a more extensive test next week, with pictures and video . I want to find out just how much smoke 3.5 gallons of transmission flui d can make. Maybe I need to put the same system on my RV-4 Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:13 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Smoke On! But very, very exciting! > >One way I found to make 92gb smoke is to burn a hole in a piston, it >is how ever a black, noisy type of smoke, and doesn't last very long. > >Shad -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Builder Needed From: "bamabuilder" I'm in cleveland about 30 miles north of Birmingham. I would be interested in a little more info on your where abouts and such. Message me off list, perhaps we can work something out. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299225#299225 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint From: "GliderMike" There was an article recently in the April 2010 issue of Kitplanes starting at page 58 that discussed patching when latex paint had been used on Dacron. It was in a regular column called "The Dawn Patrol." They used Stewart Systems Ecobond cement for the repair, with reference to AC 43.13-1A Glidden Evermore latex house paint was the paint, thinned with Floetrol and a little distilled water. -------- Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299229#299229 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.