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1. 04:11 AM - Final reminder - OH Wings & Wheels Fly-In this weekend (Kip and Beth Gardner)
2. 04:23 AM - W & B with prop on NX929DH (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 05:46 AM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (Ben Charvet)
4. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Rudder cable tension changes in motion (Michael Perez)
5. 09:06 AM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 09:37 AM - W & B with prop on NX929DH (santiago morete)
7. 10:01 AM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (helspersew@aol.com)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (Jack Phillips)
9. 10:20 AM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
10. 11:32 AM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (Ryan Mueller)
11. 12:01 PM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (Dave Abramson)
12. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: Rudder cable tension changes in motion (H RULE)
13. 05:30 PM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (flea)
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| Subject: | Final reminder - OH Wings & Wheels Fly-In this weekend |
OK, I'm going to annoy everybody one last time with this announcement
- come on by, it's going to be a great Fly-In!
If you are working on a Corvair conversion, bring your case for Roy
to spec.
AA 82 is having it's 4th Annual "WINGS AND WHEELS FLY-IN" on Saturday
and Sunday, June 5 & 6th at Barber Airport (2D1).
The field is located approximately three miles north of Alliance,
Ohio on State Route 225. There will be aircraft with automotive and
alternative engines - CORVAIRS AND VOLKSWAGENS on display.
Ther will be a pancake breakfast on Saturday and Sunday from 7 till
11 AM with lunch on Saturday from noon till 2 PM. This event is open
to the public.
There will be homebuilt aircraft ( KR-2S's, Pietenpols, an Afford-a-
Plane), PRA #19 (Rotorcraft Chapter) will have trikes and a
demonstrator, and Vintage and Antique aircraft (Waco 9, Fleet,
Taylorcrafts) on the field. There will be a fleet of some nicely
restored Corvair cars on display.
There will be several Corvair engines and a "Roy's Garage" Fifth
Bearing on display for those who are interested in using a Corvair in
their project. Roy Szarafinski of Roy's Garage will be present to
answer questions about his bearing and will gladly check your engine
cases for proper tolerances before you start an engine rebuild.
The fly-in hours will be Saturday... 7 AM - 4 PM and Sunday... 7 AM -
2 PM.
For more information, contact Ron Willett @ 330-314-0075 or Pete
Klapp @ 330-388-2074, and Forrest Barber (FBO) at
WWW.BARBERAIRCRAFT.COM.
We can provide lodging for those who would be flying in for our event.
Hope to see many KRnet faces present at our fly-in.
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| Subject: | W & B with prop on NX929DH |
Last night I finally had a chance to put the prop on and do a quicky weigh
ing. With me as pilot, the CG is too far aft of range by only .3". I can
fix this with just a little weight up front. I am going to calculate how
much I will need up there in order for my 170 lb. son to fly it, then put
that lead up front and leave it till next winter. Man does this airplane
ever look cool with that scimitar prop!!!! If I do say so myself. Photos
to come in a few days!!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH |
Can't you just move your wing back an inch or so? I waited until the
airplane was all assembled to make my final front braces. My initial
W/B was a lot worse than yours. Can't wait to see it at Brodhead!
Ben Charvet
On 6/4/2010 7:15 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Last night I finally had a chance to put the prop on and do a quicky
> weighing. With me as pilot, the CG is too far aft of range by only
> .3". I can fix this with just a little weight up front. I am going to
> calculate how much I will need up there in order for my 170 lb. son to
> fly it, then put that lead up front and leave it till next winter. Man
> does this airplane ever look cool with that scimitar prop!!!! If I do
> say so myself. Photos to come in a few days!!!
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder cable tension changes in motion |
Thanks Glider.
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I figured there were no hard numbers on Pietenpol cable tensions, but I tho
ught I would ask just in case someone took the time to put a meter on their
s as reference.- I'll go ahead and tension as needed for the right balanc
e between no sag and too tight. (common sense)
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It's all temporary anyway for now...it all comes apart for varnish/fabric,
etc.
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| Subject: | Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH |
Hi Ben,
Being a purist, I refuse to move my cabanes off of perfect vertical. I rea
lly like the Piet look with the cabanes straight.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:41 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH
Can't you just move your wing back an inch or so? I waited until the airp
lane was all assembled to make my final front braces. My initial W/B was
a lot worse than yours. Can't wait to see it at Brodhead!
Ben Charvet
On 6/4/2010 7:15 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
Last night I finally had a chance to put the prop on and do a quicky weigh
ing. With me as pilot, the CG is too far aft of range by only .3". I can
fix this with just a little weight up front. I am going to calculate how
much I will need up there in order for my 170 lb. son to fly it, then put
that lead up front and leave it till next winter. Man does this airplane
ever look cool with that scimitar prop!!!! If I do say so myself. Photos
to come in a few days!!!
Dan Helsper
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| Subject: | W & B with prop on NX929DH |
Hi Dan, congratulations!
I'll be curious, how much does-your Piet-weigh?
-
Since-we both are-purists, we should know that the F&GM plans says "The
center struts lean back one-half inch", but you have the BHP lost papers,
so-don't listen to me :-)
Saludos!
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| Subject: | Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH |
Oh my gosh........you mean to tell me, in my efforts for purity, I let
this one get past me??? What do the 1933 plans say?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar>
Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 11:32 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH
Hi Dan, congratulations!
I'll be curious, how much does your Piet weigh?
Since we both are purists, we should know that the F&GM plans says "The ce
nter struts lean back one-half inch", but you have the BHP lost papers, so
don't listen to me :-)
Saludos!
Santiago
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| Subject: | W & B with prop on NX929DH |
Do you think Bernard built every one of his "pure" Pietenpols (who could
make a purer one them him?) with the cabanes vertical? I seriously doubt
it.
Jack "Impure Thoughts" Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH
Hi Ben,
Being a purist, I refuse to move my cabanes off of perfect vertical. I
really like the Piet look with the cabanes straight.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:41 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH
Can't you just move your wing back an inch or so? I waited until the
airplane was all assembled to make my final front braces. My initial W/B
was a lot worse than yours. Can't wait to see it at Brodhead!
Ben Charvet
On 6/4/2010 7:15 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
Last night I finally had a chance to put the prop on and do a quicky
weighing. With me as pilot, the CG is too far aft of range by only .3". I
can fix this with just a little weight up front. I am going to calculate how
much I will need up there in order for my 170 lb. son to fly it, then put
that lead up front and leave it till next winter. Man does this airplane
ever look cool with that scimitar prop!!!! If I do say so myself. Photos to
come in a few days!!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH |
Dan,
Check the lost version you have for the real deal
do not archive
In a message dated 6/4/2010 1:01:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
helspersew@aol.com writes:
Oh my gosh........you mean to tell me, in my efforts for purity, I let
this one get past me??? What do the 1933 plans say?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar>
Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 11:32 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH
Hi Dan, congratulations!
I'll be curious, how much does your Piet weigh?
Since we both are purists, we should know that the F&GM plans says "The
center struts lean back one-half inch", but you have the BHP lost papers, so
don't listen to me :-)
Saludos!
Santiago
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| Subject: | Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH |
Santiago is correct...on the EAA reprint, check Figure 1 on page 7. There's
a note above the side view drawing of the airplane that says:
"Note: The center struts lean back one-half inch, and are cross-braced on
the front, rear, and right sides only".
But then...you didn't go the cross-bracing route either....hmm...how to
reconcile this.... ;)
Ryan
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On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Oh my gosh........you mean to tell me, in my efforts for purity, I let
> this one get past me??? What do the 1933 plans say?
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 11:32 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH
>
> Hi Dan, congratulations!
> I'll be curious, how much does your Piet weigh?
>
> Since we both are purists, we should know that the F&GM plans says "The
> center struts lean back one-half inch", but you have the BHP lost papers,
> so don't listen to me :-)
> Saludos!
>
> Santiago
>
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| Subject: | W & B with prop on NX929DH |
Just to show I am the purist of all.... I will slant
my cabanes forward! Top that!!!!!!!
Dave
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:06 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH
Hi Ben,
Being a purist, I refuse to move my cabanes off of perfect vertical. I
really like the Piet look with the cabanes straight.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:41 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH
Can't you just move your wing back an inch or so? I waited until the
airplane was all assembled to make my final front braces. My initial W/B
was a lot worse than yours. Can't wait to see it at Brodhead!
Ben Charvet
On 6/4/2010 7:15 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
Last night I finally had a chance to put the prop on and do a quicky
weighing. With me as pilot, the CG is too far aft of range by only .3". I
can fix this with just a little weight up front. I am going to calculate how
much I will need up there in order for my 170 lb. son to fly it, then put
that lead up front and leave it till next winter. Man does this airplane
ever look cool with that scimitar prop!!!! If I do say so myself. Photos to
come in a few days!!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder cable tension changes in motion |
Who cares;a fwang is good ,believe me=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________
_________=0AFrom: GliderMike <glidermikeg@yahoo.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@m
atronics.com=0ASent: Fri, June 4, 2010 1:27:51 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List
: Re: Rudder cable tension changes in motion=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List messag
e posted by: "GliderMike" <glidermikeg@yahoo.com>=0A=0AOk, my curiosity as
to whether my guess was right is up now.- Someone with a flying airplane
measure their cable tension, and see if a "fwang" is anywhere close to 20 p
ounds of tension. [Rolling Eyes] =0Ado not archive=0A=0A--------=0ALong fli
ghts, smooth air, and soft landings,=0AGliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH |
[quote="davea(at)symbolicdisplays"]Just to show I am the purist of all.... I will
slant
my cabanes forward! Top that!!!!!!!
Dave
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> --
I'll see your forward slanted cabanes, and raise you a cantilevered wing.
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