---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/04/10: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:11 AM - Final reminder - OH Wings & Wheels Fly-In this weekend (Kip and Beth Gardner) 2. 04:23 AM - W & B with prop on NX929DH (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:46 AM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (Ben Charvet) 4. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Rudder cable tension changes in motion (Michael Perez) 5. 09:06 AM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 09:37 AM - W & B with prop on NX929DH (santiago morete) 7. 10:01 AM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (helspersew@aol.com) 8. 10:03 AM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (Jack Phillips) 9. 10:20 AM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 10. 11:32 AM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (Ryan Mueller) 11. 12:01 PM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (Dave Abramson) 12. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: Rudder cable tension changes in motion (H RULE) 13. 05:30 PM - Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH (flea) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:39 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Pietenpol-List: Final reminder - OH Wings & Wheels Fly-In this weekend OK, I'm going to annoy everybody one last time with this announcement - come on by, it's going to be a great Fly-In! If you are working on a Corvair conversion, bring your case for Roy to spec. AA 82 is having it's 4th Annual "WINGS AND WHEELS FLY-IN" on Saturday and Sunday, June 5 & 6th at Barber Airport (2D1). The field is located approximately three miles north of Alliance, Ohio on State Route 225. There will be aircraft with automotive and alternative engines - CORVAIRS AND VOLKSWAGENS on display. Ther will be a pancake breakfast on Saturday and Sunday from 7 till 11 AM with lunch on Saturday from noon till 2 PM. This event is open to the public. There will be homebuilt aircraft ( KR-2S's, Pietenpols, an Afford-a- Plane), PRA #19 (Rotorcraft Chapter) will have trikes and a demonstrator, and Vintage and Antique aircraft (Waco 9, Fleet, Taylorcrafts) on the field. There will be a fleet of some nicely restored Corvair cars on display. There will be several Corvair engines and a "Roy's Garage" Fifth Bearing on display for those who are interested in using a Corvair in their project. Roy Szarafinski of Roy's Garage will be present to answer questions about his bearing and will gladly check your engine cases for proper tolerances before you start an engine rebuild. The fly-in hours will be Saturday... 7 AM - 4 PM and Sunday... 7 AM - 2 PM. For more information, contact Ron Willett @ 330-314-0075 or Pete Klapp @ 330-388-2074, and Forrest Barber (FBO) at WWW.BARBERAIRCRAFT.COM. We can provide lodging for those who would be flying in for our event. Hope to see many KRnet faces present at our fly-in. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH From: helspersew@aol.com Last night I finally had a chance to put the prop on and do a quicky weigh ing. With me as pilot, the CG is too far aft of range by only .3". I can fix this with just a little weight up front. I am going to calculate how much I will need up there in order for my 170 lb. son to fly it, then put that lead up front and leave it till next winter. Man does this airplane ever look cool with that scimitar prop!!!! If I do say so myself. Photos to come in a few days!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:45 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH Can't you just move your wing back an inch or so? I waited until the airplane was all assembled to make my final front braces. My initial W/B was a lot worse than yours. Can't wait to see it at Brodhead! Ben Charvet On 6/4/2010 7:15 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Last night I finally had a chance to put the prop on and do a quicky > weighing. With me as pilot, the CG is too far aft of range by only > .3". I can fix this with just a little weight up front. I am going to > calculate how much I will need up there in order for my 170 lb. son to > fly it, then put that lead up front and leave it till next winter. Man > does this airplane ever look cool with that scimitar prop!!!! If I do > say so myself. Photos to come in a few days!!! > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:54 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder cable tension changes in motion Thanks Glider. - I figured there were no hard numbers on Pietenpol cable tensions, but I tho ught I would ask just in case someone took the time to put a meter on their s as reference.- I'll go ahead and tension as needed for the right balanc e between no sag and too tight. (common sense) - It's all temporary anyway for now...it all comes apart for varnish/fabric, etc. - - ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Ben, Being a purist, I refuse to move my cabanes off of perfect vertical. I rea lly like the Piet look with the cabanes straight. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Charvet Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:41 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH Can't you just move your wing back an inch or so? I waited until the airp lane was all assembled to make my final front braces. My initial W/B was a lot worse than yours. Can't wait to see it at Brodhead! Ben Charvet On 6/4/2010 7:15 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: Last night I finally had a chance to put the prop on and do a quicky weigh ing. With me as pilot, the CG is too far aft of range by only .3". I can fix this with just a little weight up front. I am going to calculate how much I will need up there in order for my 170 lb. son to fly it, then put that lead up front and leave it till next winter. Man does this airplane ever look cool with that scimitar prop!!!! If I do say so myself. Photos to come in a few days!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:10 AM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH Hi Dan, congratulations! I'll be curious, how much does-your Piet-weigh? - Since-we both are-purists, we should know that the F&GM plans says "The center struts lean back one-half inch", but you have the BHP lost papers, so-don't listen to me :-) Saludos! - Santiago=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH From: helspersew@aol.com Oh my gosh........you mean to tell me, in my efforts for purity, I let this one get past me??? What do the 1933 plans say? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: santiago morete Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 11:32 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH Hi Dan, congratulations! I'll be curious, how much does your Piet weigh? Since we both are purists, we should know that the F&GM plans says "The ce nter struts lean back one-half inch", but you have the BHP lost papers, so don't listen to me :-) Saludos! Santiago ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:34 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH Do you think Bernard built every one of his "pure" Pietenpols (who could make a purer one them him?) with the cabanes vertical? I seriously doubt it. Jack "Impure Thoughts" Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH Hi Ben, Being a purist, I refuse to move my cabanes off of perfect vertical. I really like the Piet look with the cabanes straight. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Charvet Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:41 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH Can't you just move your wing back an inch or so? I waited until the airplane was all assembled to make my final front braces. My initial W/B was a lot worse than yours. Can't wait to see it at Brodhead! Ben Charvet On 6/4/2010 7:15 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: Last night I finally had a chance to put the prop on and do a quicky weighing. With me as pilot, the CG is too far aft of range by only .3". I can fix this with just a little weight up front. I am going to calculate how much I will need up there in order for my 170 lb. son to fly it, then put that lead up front and leave it till next winter. Man does this airplane ever look cool with that scimitar prop!!!! If I do say so myself. Photos to come in a few days!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:20 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH Dan, Check the lost version you have for the real deal do not archive In a message dated 6/4/2010 1:01:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, helspersew@aol.com writes: Oh my gosh........you mean to tell me, in my efforts for purity, I let this one get past me??? What do the 1933 plans say? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: santiago morete Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 11:32 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH Hi Dan, congratulations! I'll be curious, how much does your Piet weigh? Since we both are purists, we should know that the F&GM plans says "The center struts lean back one-half inch", but you have the BHP lost papers, so don't listen to me :-) Saludos! Santiago =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ==================================== tp://forums.matronics.com ==================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==================================== (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH From: Ryan Mueller Santiago is correct...on the EAA reprint, check Figure 1 on page 7. There's a note above the side view drawing of the airplane that says: "Note: The center struts lean back one-half inch, and are cross-braced on the front, rear, and right sides only". But then...you didn't go the cross-bracing route either....hmm...how to reconcile this.... ;) Ryan do not archive On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, wrote: > Oh my gosh........you mean to tell me, in my efforts for purity, I let > this one get past me??? What do the 1933 plans say? > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: santiago morete > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 11:32 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH > > Hi Dan, congratulations! > I'll be curious, how much does your Piet weigh? > > Since we both are purists, we should know that the F&GM plans says "The > center struts lean back one-half inch", but you have the BHP lost papers, > so don't listen to me :-) > Saludos! > > Santiago > > > * > > =================================== > t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > =================================== > tp://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:48 PM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH Just to show I am the purist of all.... I will slant my cabanes forward! Top that!!!!!!! Dave Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:06 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH Hi Ben, Being a purist, I refuse to move my cabanes off of perfect vertical. I really like the Piet look with the cabanes straight. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Charvet To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 7:41 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: W & B with prop on NX929DH Can't you just move your wing back an inch or so? I waited until the airplane was all assembled to make my final front braces. My initial W/B was a lot worse than yours. Can't wait to see it at Brodhead! Ben Charvet On 6/4/2010 7:15 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: Last night I finally had a chance to put the prop on and do a quicky weighing. With me as pilot, the CG is too far aft of range by only .3". I can fix this with just a little weight up front. I am going to calculate how much I will need up there in order for my 170 lb. son to fly it, then put that lead up front and leave it till next winter. Man does this airplane ever look cool with that scimitar prop!!!! If I do say so myself. Photos to come in a few days!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contr ibution =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:40 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder cable tension changes in motion Who cares;a fwang is good ,believe me=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________ _________=0AFrom: GliderMike =0ATo: pietenpol-list@m atronics.com=0ASent: Fri, June 4, 2010 1:27:51 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List : Re: Rudder cable tension changes in motion=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List messag e posted by: "GliderMike" =0A=0AOk, my curiosity as to whether my guess was right is up now.- Someone with a flying airplane measure their cable tension, and see if a "fwang" is anywhere close to 20 p ounds of tension. [Rolling Eyes] =0Ado not archive=0A=0A--------=0ALong fli ghts, smooth air, and soft landings,=0AGliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow=0A=0A =0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/view - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: W & B with prop on NX929DH From: "flea" [quote="davea(at)symbolicdisplays"]Just to show I am the purist of all.... I will slant my cabanes forward! Top that!!!!!!! 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