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1. 03:59 AM - Official weight NX929DH (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 06:46 AM - Re: Official weight NX929DH (Jack Phillips)
3. 08:08 AM - Re: Official weight NX929DH (Jerry Dotson)
4. 11:28 AM - turtle deck rear seat (schuerrman)
5. 02:28 PM - Re: turtle deck rear seat (jordanlcarr)
6. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: turtle deck rear seat (Kip and Beth Gardner)
7. 04:46 PM - Re: turtle deck rear seat (Rick Holland)
8. 05:36 PM - West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Gary Boothe)
9. 06:01 PM - Re: turtle deck rear seat (Gary Boothe)
10. 07:34 PM - Re: turtle deck rear seat (jordanlcarr)
11. 08:04 PM - West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Jim Markle)
12. 08:09 PM - Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (Mark Roberts)
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| Subject: | Official weight NX929DH |
Pieters,
Since the list is quiet, I'll chime in with a little news. Ryan and Jess
Mueller stopped by yesterday to visit and see the Piet. They helped me (t
hank you guys) roll it up on the scales and record the weight. 717 lbs, wh
ich was about where I expected it to be. Also, I did a little cifering and
if my math is correct, I don't even need any nose weight if the pilot is
170 lbs. I will double check this today. On my previous figuring, I forgo
t that I had changed the position of the tailwheel (moved it forward a few
inches when I made it steerable).
So today I need to attach the jury struts, and locate and drill holes in
the fuel tank access panel. Then I want to roll her outside and run the
A again. Is it going to rain today? I better check.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Official weight NX929DH |
Good news, Dan. I'm looking forward to seeing it at Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 6:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official weight NX929DH
Pieters,
Since the list is quiet, I'll chime in with a little news. Ryan and Jess
Mueller stopped by yesterday to visit and see the Piet. They helped me
(thank you guys) roll it up on the scales and record the weight. 717 lbs,
which was about where I expected it to be. Also, I did a little cifering and
if my math is correct, I don't even need any nose weight if the pilot is 170
lbs. I will double check this today. On my previous figuring, I forgot that
I had changed the position of the tailwheel (moved it forward a few inches
when I made it steerable).
So today I need to attach the jury struts, and locate and drill holes in the
fuel tank access panel. Then I want to roll her outside and run the A again.
Is it going to rain today? I better check.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Official weight NX929DH |
The weight is great news. I would settle for 717 right now. I fear mine will be
heavier. The O-235 I am using has a published weight of 240! When you gonna post
a pic with the prop on?
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | turtle deck rear seat |
I'm working on my rear seat and turtle back and I'm having a hard time making the
numbers work. The builders manual says 12" radius, but to get the numbers
to work, I'm at 14". It looks low. My question is, is there any negative consequences
to raising it an inch and a half? It looks better to me a little higher,
and Ive seen some really raised.
Also, I have all of my seat parts cut and I want to install them, but I'm wondering
about seat belt and shoulder harness locations. Front seat lap belt is no
problem, and I've found the discussions on the front seat and rear seat shoulder
harnesses, but I haven't found any pictures of where the slots for the rear
seat lap belt is located.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300229#300229
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| Subject: | Re: turtle deck rear seat |
It would be ok to raise the the turtledeck an inch and a half. The piet I worked
with had the deck raised at least that much and it flies great with no issues.
In my opinion, it looks a lot better raised.
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| Subject: | Re: turtle deck rear seat |
I'm raising mine 2" or 2-1/2" so that the shoulder harness will be
positioned correctly. Also, this will make the bay directly behind
the seat big enough to hold a light sleeping bag - I would not put
anything heavier behind the seat as baggage, but I figure a couple of
pounds of a bulky item like that would be ok.
Kip Gardner
On Jun 6, 2010, at 5:27 PM, jordanlcarr wrote:
> 17@gmail.com>
>
> It would be ok to raise the the turtledeck an inch and a half. The
> piet I worked with had the deck raised at least that much and it
> flies great with no issues. In my opinion, it looks a lot better
> raised.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300251#300251
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: turtle deck rear seat |
Many people have raised both their front and rear turtle decks (including
me) have not heard of a problem with doing it (other than a tiny bit of
extra weight). I mounted the rear seat belt to a 1"x1"x 3" block of spruce
glued and gusseted to the top of the bottom longerons behind the seat. Cut
a couple vertical slots on either side of the seat back for the belts to
exit.
One thing nice about telling someone how you did your seat-belts on a
Pietenpol is that no Pietenpol snob is going to reply:
"BUILD IT TO THE PLANS, YOU MORON"
.....cause it ain't in the plans. HA!
rick
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:27 PM, schuerrman <sdschuerr@live.com> wrote:
>
> I'm working on my rear seat and turtle back and I'm having a hard time
> making the numbers work. The builders manual says 12" radius, but to get
> the numbers to work, I'm at 14". It looks low. My question is, is there
> any negative consequences to raising it an inch and a half? It looks better
> to me a little higher, and Ive seen some really raised.
>
> Also, I have all of my seat parts cut and I want to install them, but I'm
> wondering about seat belt and shoulder harness locations. Front seat lap
> belt is no problem, and I've found the discussions on the front seat and
> rear seat shoulder harnesses, but I haven't found any pictures of where the
> slots for the rear seat lap belt is located.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300229#300229
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
We just completed the Really First Official West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
at Frazier Lake Skypark, Ca! (And, Yes, there really is a "Frazier Lake"
seaplane base for all you amphib Pietenpolers!). This event was held in
unison with Frazier Lake's monthly Display Day, making it possible to see
and visit with airplanes and owners of some really cool stuff.
We actually had 3 flying Piets, 2 of which all of you Brodheaders have seen
(#.1554, Pietenpols as far as you can see.).
Special thanks to Mike Groah for helping to organize the event, and extra
special thanks to Charlie Miller and his wonderful wife and family for
hosting EVERYTHING!
Personally great for me, was to have my son Ryan go up with Charlie in
Ryan's first open cockpit ride (#...1108). Ryan is the good looking guy on
the right. He is smiling for obvious reasons. Charlie is the dashing pilot
on the left. Charlie is smiling because he just saved, with masterful
piloting skills, his beautiful Pietenpol from a near catastrophic landing
from a x-wind gust.
To our great enjoyment, and making it a truly sanctioned Pietenpol event, we
were blessed with the ubiquitous JIM MARKEL!! Since WE are neophytes when it
comes to Piet gatherings, and our conversations sometimes stray from the
point of the whole affair, Jim has the notorious special talent of steering
the conversation back to Pietenpols, and how these little airplanes add to
the meaning of life.
I'm sure there is no connection, but after Jim had left, on Sunday morning,
one of the local hanger owners wandered over to our camping area and asked
if anyone had seen his air compressor.seems it was 'lost.' I assured him
that these kinds of events are common at Piet gatherings, and that I was
sure that the air compressor wasn't really 'lost'..
Sorry, I did a poor job of photo essaying everything, and am hoping some of
my fellow builders did a better job!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(19 ribs down.)
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| Subject: | turtle deck rear seat |
Shuerrman,
"Seat Belt Anchor RH" shows, from underneath, how I anchored my lap belts. I
have since lengthened the slot to let the belt pivot forward.
The rest of the pics show how the shoulder harness attaches.
Keep in mind, this only my theory and none of this has been crash-tested...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of schuerrman
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 11:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: turtle deck rear seat
I'm working on my rear seat and turtle back and I'm having a hard time
making the numbers work. The builders manual says 12" radius, but to get
the numbers to work, I'm at 14". It looks low. My question is, is there
any negative consequences to raising it an inch and a half? It looks better
to me a little higher, and Ive seen some really raised.
Also, I have all of my seat parts cut and I want to install them, but I'm
wondering about seat belt and shoulder harness locations. Front seat lap
belt is no problem, and I've found the discussions on the front seat and
rear seat shoulder harnesses, but I haven't found any pictures of where the
slots for the rear seat lap belt is located.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300229#300229
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| Subject: | Re: turtle deck rear seat |
Your design looks really good. From what I can see it should be sturdy enough.
The fittings that surround the seatbelts (Brass?) look really sharp and will be
a nice touch. Keep up the good work!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300282#300282
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| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
I can only imagine what an air compressor would have cost as "extra baggage" on
my return flight! HA!
There were 10 or 12 wonderful old Cubs on the field! They were in almost every
hangar. It was great. Also saw one of only two remaining Phillips (designed
by Henry Phillips who also designed the Phillips Screw head in 1934!) Airplanes.
Pretty neat.
Almost as special as the 3 Air Campers in the field!
Pietenpols and the meaning of life? Don't get me started!!
Really a great time!
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Jun 6, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
We just completed the Really First Official West Coast Pietenpol
Gathering at Frazier Lake Skypark, Ca! (And, Yes, there really is a Frazier Lake
seaplane base for all you
amphib Pietenpolers!). This event was held in unison with Frazier Lakes
monthly Display Day, making it possible to see and visit with airplanes and
owners of some really cool stuff.
We actually had 3 flying Piets, 2 of which all of you
Brodheaders have seen (#1554, Pietenpols as far as you can see).
Special thanks to Mike Groah for helping to organize the
event, and extra special thanks to Charlie Miller and his wonderful wife and
family for hosting EVERYTHING!
Personally great for me, was to have my son Ryan go up with
Charlie in Ryans first open cockpit ride (#...1108). Ryan is the good
looking guy on the right. He is smiling for obvious reasons. Charlie is the
dashing pilot on the left. Charlie is smiling because he just saved, with
masterful piloting skills, his beautiful Pietenpol from a near catastrophic landing
from a x-wind gust.
To our great enjoyment, and making it a truly sanctioned
Pietenpol event, we were blessed with the ubiquitous JIM MARKEL!! Since WE are
neophytes when it comes to Piet gatherings, and our conversations sometimes stray
from the point of the whole affair, Jim has the notorious special talent of
steering the conversation back to Pietenpols, and how these little airplanes
add to the meaning of life
Im sure there is no connection, but after Jim had
left, on Sunday morning, one of the local hanger owners wandered over to our
camping area and asked if anyone had seen his air compressorseems it was
lost. I assured him that these kinds of events are common at Piet
gatherings, and that I was sure that the air compressor wasnt really lost.
Sorry, I did a poor job of photo essaying everything, and am
hoping some of my fellow builders did a better job!
Gary
Boothe
Cool,
Ca.
Pietenpol
WW
Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail
done, Fuselage on gear
(19
ribs down)
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
It was indeed a grand day at Frazier Lake with all of the West Coast
Pieters!
I was able to meet some of the folks that were "just names on a list", and
see some of the folks that have met over the last year (Gary Booth, Mike an
d
Vic Groah, Mike Hardaway). It was a pleasure to actually see a Piet fly
(always new they did, just hadn't seen one in the air).
I uploaded the pictures of the event I took to an unlisted Google album, so
browse over an have a look at the fun!
http://picasaweb.google.com/RobertsChristmas2007/WestCoastPietGatheringJune
52010?authkey=Gv1sRgCMWf8fffsvW-bg&feat=directlink
Many thanks to Charlie and his wife for all of the work involved in making
the day a great event!
Looking forward to many more of these :o)
Mark
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> We just completed the *Really First Official West Coast Pietenpol
> Gathering* at Frazier Lake Skypark, Ca! (And, Yes, there really is a
> =93Frazier Lake=94 seaplane base for all you amphib Pietenpolers!). This
event
> was held in unison with Frazier Lake=92s monthly Display Day, making it
> possible to see and visit with airplanes and owners of some really cool
> stuff.
>
>
> We actually had 3 flying Piets, 2 of which all of you Brodheaders have se
en
> (#=851554, Pietenpols as far as you can see=85).
>
>
> Special thanks to Mike Groah for helping to organize the event, and extra
> special thanks to Charlie Miller and his wonderful wife and family for
> hosting EVERYTHING!
>
>
> Personally great for me, was to have my son Ryan go up with Charlie in
> Ryan=92s first open cockpit ride (#...1108). Ryan is the good looking guy
on
> the right. He is smiling for obvious reasons. Charlie is the dashing pilo
t
> on the left. Charlie is smiling because he just saved, with masterful
> piloting skills, his beautiful Pietenpol from a near catastrophic landing
> from a x-wind gust.
>
>
> To our great enjoyment, and making it a truly sanctioned Pietenpol event,
> we were blessed with the ubiquitous JIM MARKEL!! Since WE are neophytes w
hen
> it comes to Piet gatherings, and our conversations sometimes stray from t
he
> point of the whole affair, Jim has the notorious special talent of
> steering the conversation back to Pietenpols, and how these little airpla
nes
> add to the meaning of life=85
>
>
> I=92m sure there is no connection, but after Jim had left, on Sunday morn
ing,
> one of the local hanger owners wandered over to our camping area and aske
d
> if anyone had seen his air compressor=85seems it was =91lost.=92 I assure
d him
> that these kinds of events are common at Piet gatherings, and that I was
> sure that the air compressor wasn=92t really =91lost=92=85.
>
>
> Sorry, I did a poor job of photo essaying everything, and am hoping some
of
> my fellow builders did a better job!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (19 ribs down=85)
>
>
--
Mark Roberts
California Laser Etch
www.california-laser.com
888-882-5015
888-882-5016 fax
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