---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/08/10: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:04 AM - Re: Plans are here (bubbleboy) 2. 02:54 AM - Re: Re: Plans are here (Ben Charvet) 3. 02:54 AM - Re: NX929DH complete, run up (Jack) 4. 03:18 AM - Re: NX929DH complete, run up (Jack Phillips) 5. 03:48 AM - Re: NX929DH complete, run up (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 04:21 AM - Re: Re: Official weight NX929DH and nearing initial flight (helspersew@aol.com) 7. 04:22 AM - Re: NX929DH complete, run up (H RULE) 8. 04:29 AM - Re: NX929DH complete, run up (helspersew@aol.com) 9. 06:14 AM - Re: Official weight NX929DH and nearing initial flight (Pieti Lowell) 10. 06:24 AM - Re: Plans are here (GliderMike) 11. 06:37 AM - Re: NX929DH complete, run up (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 12. 06:48 AM - Re: Another newbie (Michael Perez) 13. 06:49 AM - Re: Plans are here (K5YAC) 14. 06:54 AM - Re: Another newbie (K5YAC) 15. 07:11 AM - Re: Spruce? (K5YAC) 16. 08:00 AM - Re: NX929DH complete, run up (Ray Krause) 17. 08:47 AM - Re: NX929DH complete, run up (Michael Perez) 18. 10:07 AM - Re: NX929DH complete, run up (Billy McCaskill) 19. 10:22 AM - Re: NX929DH complete, run up (Graham Hansen) 20. 04:39 PM - Sport pilot training (Kringle) 21. 04:41 PM - Sport pilot training (Kringle) 22. 05:20 PM - Re: Sport pilot training () 23. 05:20 PM - Re: Sport pilot training (Ryan Mueller) 24. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: Plans are here (Ben Charvet) 25. 05:44 PM - Re: Sport pilot training (Ben Charvet) 26. 06:00 PM - Re: Sport pilot training (Jason Holmes) 27. 06:10 PM - Re: Sport pilot training (John Hofmann) 28. 07:19 PM - Re: Plans are here (K5YAC) 29. 07:29 PM - Plans are here (Oscar Zuniga) 30. 09:05 PM - Ohio Piet gathering (shad bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans are here From: "bubbleboy" Mike...what program on your PC are you using to play Mike Cuys DVD? I have one but cant play it on anything here. I have Vista and curious how you do it. Scotty Australia -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300482#300482 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans are here From: Ben Charvet You could always do like I did and use Douglas Fir. I carefully selected appropriate boards at Lowe's to make my ribs. Bought 1X6 boards, planed them down to 1/2 inch, then sliced off the rib cap strips. You can buy some small sheets of aircraft plywood at your local hobby shop to make the gussets..just my $.02 Ben Charvet PS. I used DF for the whole airplane and came in at 692 pounds. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:33 PM, GliderMike wrote: > > I thought about the sign and standing on the corner deal, but I have > difficulty looking despondent enough to get people to give me money or > poplar. I'm getting so desperate to build, I'm even considering a > possibility of going back to driving a truck. I swore when I got back from > Iraq, I'd never drive a truck in the states again. > do not archive. > > -------- > Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, > GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300461#300461 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:25 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up Dan, What a beautiful ship! Best of luck with your flight testing. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up Well, this evening after work the weather was cooperative, and I was able to roll out my finished Piet and take some photos, and also run the Model A for about an hour. How sweet it was............one shot of prime............ pulled the prop through four blades with the mags off......mags on....................second pull she fired up. What a nice sound........ pocket-a-pocket-a-pockat-a. The neighbors started to show up as soon as she fired. Got some help from the old-timer across the taxiway who lives with his son and is a Model A car owner. He helped me immensely by using just his ears to adjust the mixture screws. Only one small oil drip inside the cowl. Couldn't be happier. Brodhead or bust!!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:03 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up She's a beauty, Dan. Say, how long are your neighbor's ears, that he used to adjust the mixture screws? Is he a Vulcan, or an Elf? Sorry, couldn't resist. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up Well, this evening after work the weather was cooperative, and I was able to roll out my finished Piet and take some photos, and also run the Model A for about an hour. How sweet it was............one shot of prime............ pulled the prop through four blades with the mags off......mags on....................second pull she fired up. What a nice sound........ pocket-a-pocket-a-pockat-a. The neighbors started to show up as soon as she fired. Got some help from the old-timer across the taxiway who lives with his son and is a Model A car owner. He helped me immensely by using just his ears to adjust the mixture screws. Only one small oil drip inside the cowl. Couldn't be happier. Brodhead or bust!!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up From: helspersew@aol.com Thanks Jeff, I found that compass on Ebay. Great place to find stuff if you have the ti me to look. It is German with a bubble face. It appears like a good one wi th many little adjustment knobs. Now all I have to do is learn German so I can read what it says. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Boatright Sent: Mon, Jun 7, 2010 9:26 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up Dan, Great lookin' Piet! Where'd you get that compass hanging down from the und erside of the wing? Does true well? Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Official weight NX929DH and nearing initial flight From: helspersew@aol.com Piete, The A runs static at 1860 RPM. I really got lucky that my first carved pro p ever, came out so good and close to where it should be. I took a lot af advice from the archives and also Ken Perkins as to what the pitch should be (76/46). The first initial flight will be done with only necessary saf ety crew and observers. After that I would be glad to have any and all com e out and watch/chat/kabitz. -----Original Message----- From: Pieti Lowell Sent: Mon, Jun 7, 2010 7:45 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Official weight NX929DH om> Dan, e sure that the A will turn 1800 RPM,s or better static, or at least durin g a ood run down the runway, or you may have a problem getting around the patc h. ouwe,s would only turn 1775 RPM with his prop, a very large problem, but when I ut my prop on his Ford it went to 2000 , the specs were supposed to be the ame. Let us know when you are going to do the flight stuff, I would like to be round as an observer pro-tem. ieti Lowell ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300316#300316 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:42 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up That's it;I'm going out and buying black and yellow paint today and changin g the colour of my plane to the same as yours!That is a fantastic look!She is absolutely beautiful!=0A=0Ado not archive-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________ ___________________=0AFrom: "helspersew@aol.com" =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, June 7, 2010 9:22:14 PM=0ASubjec t: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up=0A=0A=0AWell, this evening afte r work the weather was cooperative, and I was able to roll out my finished Piet and take some photos, and also run the Model A for about an hour. How sweet it was............one shot of prime............ pulled the prop throu gh four blades with the mags off......mags on....................second pul l she fired up. What a nice sound........ pocket-a-pocket-a-pockat-a. The n eighbors started to show up as soon as she fired. Got some help from the ol d-timer across the taxiway who lives with his son and is a Model A car owne r. He helped me immensely by using just his ears to adjust the mixture scre ws. Only one small oil drip inside the cowl. Couldn't be happier. Brodhead or bust!!!!=0A=0ADan Helsper=0APoplar Grove, IL.=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up From: helspersew@aol.com Thanks Tim, I think you are referring to the (perpetual) carb heat shroud surrounding the #1 cylinder, and the arched intake tube that goes down into the carb intake. This is a-la-Ken Perkins. I unashamedly copied many of the better features that others have done where saw fit. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Willis Sent: Mon, Jun 7, 2010 10:49 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up net> Dan, it is magnificent. See my more detailed rant sent personally to you and to y friends-- almost all of whom are NOT aviators, but many of whom have des igned r built other things. BTW, what is all that neat polished stuff on the po rt ide of the engine? im in central TX o not archive -----Original Message----- rom: helspersew@aol.com ent: Jun 7, 2010 8:22 PM o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ubject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up Well, this evening after work the weather was cooperative, and I was able to oll out my finished Piet and take some photos, and also run the Model A fo r bout an hour. How sweet it was............one shot of prime............ pu lled he prop through four blades with the mags off......mags on................ ....second ull she fired up. What a nice sound........ pocket-a-pocket-a-pockat-a. Th e eighbors started to show up as soon as she fired. Got some help from the ld-timer across the taxiway who lives with his son and is a Model A car ow ner. e helped me immensely by using just his ears to adjust the mixture screws. Only ne small oil drip inside the cowl. Couldn't be happier. Brodhead or bust!! !! an Helsper oplar Grove, IL. ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Official weight NX929DH and nearing initial flight From: "Pieti Lowell" The Prop I have is a 76 X 46 Sensenich and turns 2000 Plus , but the Prop that is on the Funk powered Piet is a 76 X 44 and turns 2000 and a Sensenich Semitar design and will pull the Piet at 85 with two people. That is where your prop with the proper flex will go into over drive when backed down on the throttle. My estimate or guess, you should cruise along nicely at 70 plus around 1800. Neat looking Piet Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300509#300509 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans are here From: "GliderMike" Scotty, as best as I can tell, it looks like HP Quick Play -------- Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300511#300511 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:55 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up Dan, A real work of Art. She is a beauty I cant wait to meet her in person at Brodhead next month. I made a copy for my shop inspirational pics. I needed to hang one from a builder I knew and respected (even if its the work of a purist). Thanks for sharing great job, Safe flying! John Safe in the morning safe all day, dangerous at night Do not archive the others's will only become jealous! In a message dated 6/7/2010 9:25:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, helspersew@aol.com writes: Well, this evening after work the weather was cooperative, and I was able to roll out my finished Piet and take some photos, and also run the Model A for about an hour. How sweet it was............one shot of prime............ pulled the prop through four blades with the mags off......mags on....................second pull she fired up. What a nice sound........ pocket-a-pocket-a-pockat-a. The neighbors started to show up as soon as she fired. Got some help from the old-timer across the taxiway who lives with his son and is a Model A car owner. He helped me immensely by using just his ears to adjust the mixture screws. Only one small oil drip inside the cowl. Couldn't be happier. Brodhead or bust!!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:39 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another newbie Welcome aboard Chuck! Sounds like you have a good plan in place for success . You are very fortunate to have Jack near by...he will prove to be your bi ggest asset while building. - If interested in other instructional DVDs, drop by www.karetakeraero.com- and take a look.- Mike Cuy's DVD has good tips....I'm glad we work togeth er; he has helped me immensely as I am sure Jack will for you. - Enjoy! - Michael Perez Karetaker Aero ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans are here From: "K5YAC" bencharvet(at)gmail.com wrote: > You can buy some small sheets of aircraft plywood at your local hobby shop to make the gussets..just my $.02 > > Ben Charvet > [b] In a pinch, yes... but my local Hobby Lobby charges $20 for a small sheet of 1/16" birch ply (Midwest brand for modeling). I forget the exact dimensions (something like 12"x24"), but I figured it up at the time and realized that it was quite a bit more expensive than some of the really good stuff. I'm not saying that buying local isn't a good idea from time to time, especially when it comes to making progress, but pay attention to what you are shelling out for that local plywood. Probably the biggest deal killer on buying plywood from the mail order outfits is the freight charge, but I believe you can get 48" x 48" sheets via ground service, which is fine for making gussets and smaller cuts. I would recommend doing that rather than trying to purchase the hobby store stuff. Think about the piece I purchased... 12" x 24"... that is 1/8 of a 48" x 48" sheet. In other words, multiply my local cost by a factor of eight ($160+tax) in order to compare to the price of a mail order sheet. A half sheet (24" x 48") sheet of Finnish Birch at Aircraft Spruce is currently selling for ~$17, and a full sheet (48" x 48") is going for ~$33. You could buy 4 full sheets of ply AND 16 oz. of T-88 for the $160 mentioned above. Cut a 12" x 24" piece from one of those full sheets... you cost is less than $5, including shipping. Anyhow... I didn't bring this up to pick on you Ben... it's just that I've thought about this a time or two when I've had to run to the local hobby shops for materials. I've often considered buying a few common thicknesses of ply, in sizes that could be delivered by ground service in order to keep my wood rack stocked and avoid having to go to the hobby shops. In fact... that is going on my list right now. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300515#300515 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another newbie From: "K5YAC" Welcome, and good luck on your adventure Chuck! Sounds like you are in good hands out there. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300517#300517 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce? From: "K5YAC" Capstrip shouldn't take too long to receive. I ordered 108-5' lengths (540 feet) of 1/4" x 1/2" capstrip and 2-6' lengths (12 feet) of 1/2" x 1/2" capstrip in order to build my 3-piece wing. It worked out just about right. Not more than a stick or two (and a nice bundle of scraps) left over. I can't remember how much ply I ordered. Maybe a full sheet (48" x 48")? Not sure, but it wouldn't hurt to just grab two of those anyhow... if it is too much for the ribs, you'll use it somewhere else. Also, I'm not sure what type/size of adhesives you prefer, but I just killed my first batch of T-88 (Quart size) on my wings. Mileage may vary, but I would recommend the quart size... it is quite a bit cheaper than buying two pint sized batches and whether it is hot or cold in your shop, it seems to have a good shelf life. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300522#300522 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:33 AM PST US From: "Ray Krause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up Absolutely beautiful! Thanks for sharing. Ray Krause Sky Scout..... 10 years! ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up Well, this evening after work the weather was cooperative, and I was able to roll out my finished Piet and take some photos, and also run the Model A for about an hour. How sweet it was............one shot of prime............ pulled the prop through four blades with the mags off......mags on....................second pull she fired up. What a nice sound........ pocket-a-pocket-a-pockat-a. The neighbors started to show up as soon as she fired. Got some help from the old-timer across the taxiway who lives with his son and is a Model A car owner. He helped me immensely by using just his ears to adjust the mixture screws. Only one small oil drip inside the cowl. Couldn't be happier. Brodhead or bust!!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:44 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up "Sounds" like you had a great day! Congrats. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX929DH complete, run up From: "Billy McCaskill" Incredible work, Dan! Looks more like a full restoration of a 1929 airplane than a 2010 model! Absolutely love it! I'll be taking many pictures of it in person this year at Brodhead! Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tailfeathers almost done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300545#300545 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:15 AM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH complete, run up Dan, DO NOT ARCHIVE What a beautiful "aeroplane"! Bernard Pietenpol would be proud of you for creating a fine example of his classic design. I hope you get as much enjoyment from your airplane as I have had from mine. Cheers, Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training From: "Kringle" Wouldn't it be wise to get my sport pilot training in a pietenpol if that is what I intend on flying? Are there cfi's that will do this? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300607#300607 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training From: "Kringle" Wouldn't it be wise to get my sport pilot training in a pietenpol if that is what I intend on flying? Are there cfi's that will do this? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300609#300609 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:21 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training If you have access to a plane and can find a CFI that will do it go for it. Wisdom has litle to do with it but it would definitely be cheaper. You would have to be the owner of the plane or borrow it. As far as I know an experimental cannot be rented or used by a CFI to give lessons for hire. However you can hire a CFI to give you lessons in your plane. Rodney Hall ---- Kringle wrote: > > Wouldn't it be wise to get my sport pilot training in a pietenpol if that is what I intend on flying? Are there cfi's that will do this? > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300607#300607 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:42 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training I would think the thing to do, if you are honestly committed to getting your license, would be to find the best available combination of LSA instruction availability/proximity/price and just finish the license. You could try to find this combination in concert with primary training in a taildragger, but depending on where you live this could be a very limiting factor. If you can find someone to do it in a taildragger, great. However, I am of the opinion that it would be better to just find available, quality instruction that will give you the best chance of success in getting your license than holding out to find a taildragger that may be significantly more expensive, less available, farther away, etc. Set yourself up for success.....but that's just me. :P Ryan On Jun 8, 2010, at 6:41 PM, "Kringle" wrote: > > Wouldn't it be wise to get my sport pilot training in a pietenpol if that is what I intend on flying? Are there cfi's that will do this? > > -------- > John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300609#300609 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:55 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans are here I actually bought my gusset material from Aircraft Spruce in the 24 X 48 size and found the shipping to be reasonable. I ordered some 1/16 and 1/8 inch at the same time to save shipping. I have a local hobby shop that has the 6 in x 12 in plywood that isn't too expensive, but I guess to make all the ribs it would really add up. Buying the sizes I used I could rip long pieces of gusset, then cut them to length with the band saw. I was only thinking that if money was real tight, you could at least get started for a few bucks a week... Aircraft Spruce is pretty good about listing the best way to save on shipping for large items. I saved a lot by ordering tubing in sizes no longer than I actually needed. Ben Charvet On 6/8/2010 9:49 AM, K5YAC wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" > > > bencharvet(at)gmail.com wrote: > >> You can buy some small sheets of aircraft plywood at your local hobby shop to make the gussets..just my $.02 >> >> Ben Charvet >> [b] >> > > In a pinch, yes... but my local Hobby Lobby charges $20 for a small sheet of 1/16" birch ply (Midwest brand for modeling). I forget the exact dimensions (something like 12"x24"), but I figured it up at the time and realized that it was quite a bit more expensive than some of the really good stuff. I'm not saying that buying local isn't a good idea from time to time, especially when it comes to making progress, but pay attention to what you are shelling out for that local plywood. > > Probably the biggest deal killer on buying plywood from the mail order outfits is the freight charge, but I believe you can get 48" x 48" sheets via ground service, which is fine for making gussets and smaller cuts. I would recommend doing that rather than trying to purchase the hobby store stuff. Think about the piece I purchased... 12" x 24"... that is 1/8 of a 48" x 48" sheet. In other words, multiply my local cost by a factor of eight ($160+tax) in order to compare to the price of a mail order sheet. A half sheet (24" x 48") sheet of Finnish Birch at Aircraft Spruce is currently selling for ~$17, and a full sheet (48" x 48") is going for ~$33. You could buy 4 full sheets of ply AND 16 oz. of T-88 for the $160 mentioned above. Cut a 12" x 24" piece from one of those full sheets... you cost is less than $5, including shipping. > > Anyhow... I didn't bring this up to pick on you Ben... it's just that I've thought about this a time or two when I've had to run to the local hobby shops for materials. I've often considered buying a few common thicknesses of ply, in sizes that could be delivered by ground service in order to keep my wood rack stocked and avoid having to go to the hobby shops. In fact... that is going on my list right now. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300515#300515 > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:24 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training It would be nice if that was possible, but there just aren't that many Pietenpols out there. They can't be rented, so you would have to befriend an owner that would let you use his, or find a CFI that owned a Piet that was willing to give you lessons for free. That would all be fine until it was time to solo, and I doubt anyone would allow that. I started my project with a Private Pilot license that had been dormant for 15 years. I joined the local EAA chapter and met several CFI's that would take me flying for next to nothing. I ended up getting a tailwheel endorsement in a Citabria, then a little time in a J-3, before my first solo in a Baby Ace that I had bought. My brother wants to learn to fly too. I know at least two CFI's that would get him ready to solo for free, or only paying for the fuel, but some other arrangement would need to be made for the solo work. I think I agree with the previous post that it would be better just to get the license, then work on the tailwheel endorsement and familiarity with aircraft similar to the Piet, like a Cub or Aeronca. If you are just starting your project, you have plenty of time. I spent 5 years building mine. Join your local EAA chapter, and I'm sure you can get plenty of advice that suits your local situation Ben Charvet Mims, Fl looking forward to Brodhead On 6/8/2010 7:41 PM, Kringle wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kringle" > > Wouldn't it be wise to get my sport pilot training in a pietenpol if that is what I intend on flying? Are there cfi's that will do this? > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300609#300609 > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:21 PM PST US From: "Jason Holmes" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training It would be a fair drive from Russia, but check out ohiolightsport.com in Centerburg, Ohio. Bill See does sport pilot training in an Aeronca Champ and he might be willing to do training in your Piet. You could always go down for several days at a time and stay in his bunkhouse. He is also one of the cheapest in the country at $65 an hour for the Champ and him. Just my 2 cents. Jason -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training Wouldn't it be wise to get my sport pilot training in a pietenpol if that is what I intend on flying? Are there cfi's that will do this? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300609#300609 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:27 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training I also think they still train in Cubs at Waynesville. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 8, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Jason Holmes wrote: > > It would be a fair drive from Russia, but check out ohiolightsport.com in > Centerburg, Ohio. Bill See does sport pilot training in an Aeronca Champ > and he might be willing to do training in your Piet. You could always go > down for several days at a time and stay in his bunkhouse. He is also one > of the cheapest in the country at $65 an hour for the Champ and him. > Just my 2 cents. > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:42 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training > > > Wouldn't it be wise to get my sport pilot training in a pietenpol if that is > what I intend on flying? Are there cfi's that will do this? > > -------- > John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300609#300609 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plans are here From: "K5YAC" Yep, you are right that it would be a convenient way to get started, but it would indeed start to add up. Your hobby shop may be more reasonable than mine. Most of the ones here are chain stores like Hobby Lobby or specialized hobby outlets (R/C aircraft). A good selection, but given the quantity of materials we require, none of them offer the best deal in wood products. I know that there are also marine outlets, but I have never compared selection or prices. bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net wrote: > I have a local hobby shop that has the 6 in x 12 in plywood that isn't too expensive, but I guess to make all the ribs it would really add up. Buying the sizes I used I could rip long pieces of gusset, then cut them to length with the band saw. I was only thinking that if money was real tight, you could at least get started for a few bucks a week... -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300644#300644 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:28 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans are here GliderMike wrote- >I'm getting so desperate to build, I'm even considering >a possibility of going back to driving a truck. There's no need to drive trucks. If you have a set of plans and a lot of determination, you're on your way. It's very simple to cruise the sawmills, used building materials yards, second-hand lumber yards, and just "sniff the air" to find lumber that you can use to start building your Pietenpol airframe. Some big rough beams, or perhaps an old building that is being torn down, or a barn on a farm- all you need are a couple of dry, fairly straight, rough timbers to yield all the straight-grain lumber you'll need to build your airframe, ribs, tail feathers, and miscellaneous structure. Once you run them through a planer or jointer and then rip them to final dimension on the table saw, you'll have more building stock than you need and you will have smelled some of the most wonderful wood smells that God has placed on this earth. All you'll need after that is a little bit of glue and plenty of time in the shop and it will start to come together. I'll bet you can scrounge all your wood for a few bucks, or for the price of your sweat to haul off some old wooden timbers. From there, it's all just fun and desire to pull dimensioned structural shapes from big rough timbers. I love building with wood! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:14 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Piet gathering Well, the hanger addition is done, the clean up is in progress, and hopfully the annual will be done on the piet for the 19th. I am looking forward to seeing all of you that can make it. I am planning the food purchase (hot dogs, buns etc) so cime in here if you plan on attending. Bring a dish if you can, and I will put out a voulentary donnation jar, put in if you want to, it will help us keep this thing going for future gatherings, and keep me from going broke (port a johns food cost etc etc). To Don Emch, Don't worry about bringing a tent I told you before (I think), that you are welcome to my tent and air mattress, since you will have a co-pilot with you. I also have a couple sets of tie downs for those who don't have any, if you plan on camping over night you are welcome to them. If I have room, I might be able to get 1 or 2 additional piets in my hanger, who ever brings the better beer gets 1st dibs. If by chance we get a shower overnight fly-in campers can put a tent on the hanger floor (concrete) and have a dry nights sleep, you will be the security force for the night, shot gun and buck shot is optional, smack them with a piece of spar stock if you want. Hope the weather holds out, and looking forward to seeing you all, Shad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.