---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/09/10: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:40 AM - Re: Ohio Piet gathering (Kringle) 2. 07:28 AM - the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Dan Yocum) 3. 08:04 AM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Perry Rhoads) 4. 08:31 AM - Re: Ohio Piet gathering (Don Emch) 5. 08:38 AM - Re: Ohio Piet gathering (Bill Church) 6. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Ohio Piet gathering (shad bell) 7. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Ohio Piet gathering (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 8. 10:06 AM - Re: Plans are here (Rick Holland) 9. 10:09 AM - Re: Sport pilot training (Rick Holland) 10. 11:13 AM - Re: Ohio Piet gathering (Skip Gadd) 11. 11:26 AM - Re: Sport pilot training (Skip Gadd) 12. 11:50 AM - Re: Plans are here (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 13. 11:50 AM - Re: Sport pilot training (John Hofmann) 14. 12:37 PM - 4th Annual Antique Homebuilt Fly-in (Dan Yocum) 15. 12:48 PM - Re: Sport pilot training (airlion) 16. 01:34 PM - Re: 4th Annual Antique Homebuilt Fly-in (Jeff Boatright) 17. 01:41 PM - Fw: Jake's 1931 Pietenpol replica update... (Wayne Bressler) 18. 01:48 PM - Welcome new lister Chuck from Raleigh, NC (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 19. 02:19 PM - Re: Fw: Jake's 1931 Pietenpol replica update... (Wayne Bressler) 20. 06:01 PM - Re: Sport pilot training (coxwelljon) 21. 06:01 PM - Re: Ohio Piet gathering (Jason Holmes) 22. 06:25 PM - Re: Sport pilot training (Kringle) 23. 07:41 PM - Re: Shad's Ohio Piet gathering info, who is flying in? (shad bell) 24. 08:06 PM - Re: Shad's Ohio Piet gathering info, who is flying in? (Jason Holmes) 25. 08:06 PM - Re: Shad's Ohio Piet gathering info, who is flying in? (helspersew@aol.com) 26. 09:25 PM - Re: Shad's Ohio Piet gathering info, who is flying in? (shad bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piet gathering From: "Kringle" Where is this gathering? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300672#300672 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:33 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading Sounds like an Agatha Cristie novel, I know. Last fall I measured the prop RPM on N8031 with a digital IR tach reader doo-hickey and determined that the difference between the mechanical tach and the actual rpm of the prop was 11% low. That is, when the mechanical tach reads 1000RPM, the prop is actually spinning at 1100RPM. I did the same test yesterday, and discovered that it's now about 16% low: 1000RPM on the mechanical and 1160RPM on the prop. The former owner said that at one point the tach pegged during operation and he discovered oil had seeped up the tach cable from the motor and entered the tachometer. He cleaned it up and called it good (not sure if he had it recalibrated or not...). It sounds like something else is going on here. Anyone have any ideas and suggested solutions? Should I buy a new tach or have this one overhauled? Anyone know of a good instrument overhaul shop? Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:27 AM PST US From: "Perry Rhoads" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading Dan, Check the tach cable, if you haven't already. I had a tach cable break on N12939. After replacement, the tach reads higher. I changed nothing but the cable. Perry Rhoads N12939 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading > > Sounds like an Agatha Cristie novel, I know. > > Last fall I measured the prop RPM on N8031 with a digital IR tach reader > doo-hickey and determined that the difference between the mechanical tach > and the actual rpm of the prop was 11% low. That is, when the mechanical > tach reads 1000RPM, the prop is actually spinning at 1100RPM. I did the > same test yesterday, and discovered that it's now about 16% low: 1000RPM > on the mechanical and 1160RPM on the prop. > > The former owner said that at one point the tach pegged during operation > and he discovered oil had seeped up the tach cable from the motor and > entered the tachometer. He cleaned it up and called it good (not sure if > he had it recalibrated or not...). > > It sounds like something else is going on here. Anyone have any ideas and > suggested solutions? Should I buy a new tach or have this one overhauled? > Anyone know of a good instrument overhaul shop? > > Thanks, > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piet gathering From: "Don Emch" Hey Shad, I'm still planning on showing up Friday evening, with one of the kiddos. I just might take you up on that offer to use a tent and air mattress or hangar floor or whatever. I talked to Frank P. and he said he still doesn't have the Lambert back up and running, so he probably won't be making it. I'm looking forward to it! Who else is coming? Driving or flying? Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300707#300707 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piet gathering From: "Bill Church" Just a guess here, but I'm thinking that the Ohio Piet Gathering might be in Ohio. :) Seriously, though, try using the List archives, and the search utility. I just typed in "Ohio", and was able to quickly find a previous post from Shad, listing the following: Location is OH71, Centerburg Ohio (25 miles North of Columbus), BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300709#300709 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:01 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piet gathering It is Centerburg, Ohio, bring a dish to pass (pot luck) and or donation jar to help cover cost of food (hot dogs etc) and port-o-potties. It will be on June 19th starting around 9am-noon or so, and go untill everyone leaves. Shad ps of course that is all weather permitting ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:36 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piet gathering If I can get my new plugs delivered, installed and my condition inspection done with some test hours flown off to make sure my engine miss/ carbon issue is totally gone then I hope to be able to fly down on Saturday. Iffy right now. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans are here From: Rick Holland True, to get started on your ribs do some dumpster diving at some construction sites. Just need a flat piece of 3/4" plywood (maybe 6' x 2') and scrap pine blocks to make a rib building jig. Get a cheap used table saw if you don't have one to rip capstrip from some good douglas fir or white pine from the lumber yard (some have used Cedar for rib capstrip). You will need to cough up the dough for the T-88 epoxy (or equivalent quality glue) and good quality 1/16" AC or marine plywood. Would be cool to convert some timbers from an old barn into a flying aircraft, rick On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > GliderMike wrote- > > >I'm getting so desperate to build, I'm even considering > >a possibility of going back to driving a truck. > > There's no need to drive trucks. > > If you have a set of plans and a lot of determination, you're > on your way. It's very simple to cruise the sawmills, used > building materials yards, second-hand lumber yards, and just > "sniff the air" to find lumber that you can use to start building > your Pietenpol airframe. Some big rough beams, or perhaps an > old building that is being torn down, or a barn on a farm- all you > need are a couple of dry, fairly straight, rough timbers to yield > all the straight-grain lumber you'll need to build your airframe, ribs, > tail feathers, and miscellaneous structure. Once you run them > through a planer or jointer and then rip them to final dimension > on the table saw, you'll have more building stock than you need > and you will have smelled some of the most wonderful wood smells > that God has placed on this earth. All you'll need after that is a > little bit of glue and plenty of time in the shop and it will > start to come together. I'll bet you can scrounge all your wood > for a few bucks, or for the price of your sweat to haul off some > old wooden timbers. From there, it's all just fun and desire to > pull dimensioned structural shapes from big rough timbers. > > I love building with wood! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training From: Rick Holland When I think about some of the landings I made when I was learning long ago for my Private license I am very glad I was in a rented Cessna 150 with that one piece spring steel gear rather than any aircraft I had built. I instructed for three years long ago (including in Super Cubs and Decathlons) I agree that you should at least get through solo in good trainer aircraft first and add the taildragger complications later. rick On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Kringle wrote: > > Wouldn't it be wise to get my sport pilot training in a pietenpol if that > is what I intend on flying? Are there cfi's that will do this? > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300607#300607 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:51 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Piet gathering Shad, Ed and I are still planning to arrive in our Piets before dark Friday. Weather permitting we will leave Hales Landing Thursday morning for Hook field and the Aeronca fly-in, than Friday on to OH71. Don't belive we will be able to bring any food, but will be happy to add to the donation jar. Looking forward to the trip. Skip > [Original Message] > From: shad bell > To: > Date: 6/9/2010 12:06:43 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Piet gathering > > > > Well, the hanger addition is done, the clean up is in progress, and hopfully the annual will be done on the piet for the 19th. I am looking forward to seeing all of you that can make it. I am planning the food purchase (hot dogs, buns etc) so cime in here if you plan on attending. Bring a dish if you can, and I will put out a voulentary donnation jar, put in if you want to, it will help us keep this thing going for future gatherings, and keep me from going broke (port a johns food cost etc etc). To Don Emch, Don't worry about bringing a tent I told you before (I think), that you are welcome to my tent and air mattress, since you will have a co-pilot with you. I also have a couple sets of tie downs for those who don't have any, if you plan on camping over night you are welcome to them. If I have room, I might be able to get 1 or 2 additional piets in my hanger, who ever brings the better beer gets 1st dibs. If by chance we get a shower overnight > fly-in campers can put a tent on the hanger floor (concrete) and have a dry nights sleep, you will be the security force for the night, shot gun and buck shot is optional, smack them with a piece of spar stock if you want. Hope the weather holds out, and looking forward to seeing you all, > Shad > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:25 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training You are right John. Red Stewart field Waynesville OH is a really neat place. If I lived anywhere near south west Ohio it would be my choice for a place to learn to fly. I was talking to an instructor there who told me he went to Ohio University (they have one of those airline pilot programs) and got all his pilot licenses, than went to Stewart and learned to fly. http://www.stewartsaircraft.net/ Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hofmann Sent: 6/8/2010 9:12:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training I also think they still train in Cubs at Waynesville. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 8, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Jason Holmes wrote: It would be a fair drive from Russia, but check out ohiolightsport.com in Centerburg, Ohio. Bill See does sport pilot training in an Aeronca Champ and he might be willing to do training in your Piet. You could always go down for several days at a time and stay in his bunkhouse. He is also one of the cheapest in the country at $65 an hour for the Champ and him. Just my 2 cents. Jason -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training Wouldn't it be wise to get my sport pilot training in a pietenpol if that is what I intend on flying? Are there cfi's that will do this? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300609#300609 - The --> &n======================= ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:32 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plans are here GliderMike, I have some materials you could use for your jig if you are interested. Come by my hangar at skypark or contact me offline. Brian SLC-UT Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans are here True, to get started on your ribs do some dumpster diving at some construction sites. Just need a flat piece of 3/4" plywood (maybe 6' x 2') and scrap pine blocks to make a rib building jig. Get a cheap used table saw if you don't have one to rip capstrip from some good douglas fir or white pine from the lumber yard (some have used Cedar for rib capstrip). You will need to cough up the dough for the T-88 epoxy (or equivalent quality glue) and good quality 1/16" AC or marine plywood. Would be cool to convert some timbers from an old barn into a flying aircraft, rick On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: GliderMike wrote- >I'm getting so desperate to build, I'm even considering >a possibility of going back to driving a truck. There's no need to drive trucks. If you have a set of plans and a lot of determination, you're on your way. It's very simple to cruise the sawmills, used building materials yards, second-hand lumber yards, and just "sniff the air" to find lumber that you can use to start building your Pietenpol airframe. Some big rough beams, or perhaps an old building that is being torn down, or a barn on a farm- all you need are a couple of dry, fairly straight, rough timbers to yield all the straight-grain lumber you'll need to build your airframe, ribs, tail feathers, and miscellaneous structure. Once you run them through a planer or jointer and then rip them to final dimension on the table saw, you'll have more building stock than you need and you will have smelled some of the most wonderful wood smells that God has placed on this earth. All you'll need after that is a little bit of glue and plenty of time in the shop and it will start to come together. I'll bet you can scrounge all your wood for a few bucks, or for the price of your sweat to haul off some old wooden timbers. From there, it's all just fun and desire to pull dimensioned structural shapes from big rough timbers. I love building with wood! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:32 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training Hi Skip, When I was living in Indy, I had several friends who would go there to fly Cubs. I have never been there but it sounds like a neat place. Then again, at HXF, where I am based, we have 20 Cubs on the field so that is pretty neat as well. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 9, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Skip Gadd wrote: > You are right John. Red Stewart field Waynesville OH is a really neat place. If I lived anywhere near south west Ohio it would be my choice for a place to learn to fly. I was talking to an instructor there who told me he went to Ohio University (they have one of those airline pilot programs) and got all his pilot licenses, than went to Stewart and learned to fly. > http://www.stewartsaircraft.net/ > Skip > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Hofmann > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: 6/8/2010 9:12:00 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training > > I also think they still train in Cubs at Waynesville. > > -john- > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2424 American Lane > Madison, WI 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > > On Jun 8, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Jason Holmes wrote: > >> >> It would be a fair drive from Russia, but check out ohiolightsport.com in >> Centerburg, Ohio. Bill See does sport pilot training in an Aeronca Champ >> and he might be willing to do training in your Piet. You could always go >> down for several days at a time and stay in his bunkhouse. He is also one >> of the cheapest in the country at $65 an hour for the Champ and him. >> Just my 2 cents. >> Jason >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle >> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:42 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-Lis t: Sport pilot training >> >> >> Wouldn't it be wise to get my sport pilot training in a pietenpol if that is >> what I intend on flying? Are there cfi's that will do this? >> >> -------- >> John >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300609#300609 >> >> >> >> - The --> &n============ =========== >> > > <> > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:36 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4th Annual Antique Homebuilt Fly-in All, Antique Airfield will be holding the 4th annual Homebuilt Fly-in at IA27 on July 2nd and 3rd. The flyer is attached. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:15 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training david , you might want to think about this for your tail dragging check out. Maybe on your way back south. Gardiner ________________________________ From: Skip Gadd Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 2:21:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training You are right John. Red Stewart field Waynesville OH is a really neat place. If I lived anywhere near south west Ohio it would be my choice for a place to learn to fly. I was talking to an instructor there who told me he went to Ohio University (they have one of those airline pilot programs) and got all his pilot licenses, than went to Stewart and learned to fly. http://www.stewartsaircraft.net/ Skip ----- Original Message ----- >From: John Hofmann >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: 6/8/2010 9:12:00 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sport pilot training > >I also think they still train in Cubs at Waynesville. > > >-john- > > >John Hofmann >Vice-President, Information Technology >The Rees Group, Inc. >2424 American Lane >Madison, WI 53704 >Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 >Fax: 608.443.2474 >Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > >On Jun 8, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Jason Holmes wrote: > >> >>It would be a fair drive from Russia, but check out ohiolightsport.com in >>Centerburg, Ohio. Bill See does sport pilot training in an Aeronca Champ >>and he might be willing to do training in your Piet. You could always go >>down for several days at a time and stay in his bunkhouse. He is also one >>of the cheapest in the country at $65 an hour for the Champ and him. >>Just my 2 cents. >>Jason >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle >>Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:42 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Pietenpol-Lis >> t: Sport pilot training >> >> >>Wouldn't it be wise to get my sport pilot training in a pietenpol if that is >>what I intend on flying? Are there cfi's that will do this? >> >>-------- >>John >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300609#300609 >> >> >> >> - The --> &n======================= >> >> > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:58 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4th Annual Antique Homebuilt Fly-in Dan, Thanks for the info. The AAA's definition of "antique" hombuilt is broader than I suspected (they do say "antique type"). Flybaby, Starduster, Marquart Charger, Hatz? The more the merrier, but calling a Hatz an antique makes me feel really old! :-( Jeff >All, > >Antique Airfield will be holding the 4th annual >Homebuilt Fly-in at IA27 on July 2nd and 3rd. > >The flyer is attached. > >Cheers, >Dan > > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > >Attachment converted: HD:4th homebuilt fly-in.pdf (PDF /IC) (0177E2AE) -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:13 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Jake's 1931 Pietenpol replica update... ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:15 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome new lister Chuck from Raleigh, NC V2VsY29tZSB0byB0aGUgUGlldGVucG9sIGxpc3QgQ2h1Y2sgYW5kIGxvb2tzIGxpa2UgeW914oCZ dmUgZ290IGFsbCB5b3VyIGR1Y2tzIGluIGEgcm93IGJ5IG9yZGVyaW5nIHRoZSBwbGFucywgdGhl IFRvbnkgQmluZ2VsaXMgYm9va3MNCmFuZCBnb29kIHRvIGhlYXIgeW914oCZcmUgc2hvcHBpbmcg Zm9yIHdvb2QuICAgIEphY2sgUGhpbGxpcHMgd2lsbCBiZSBhbiBleGNlbGxlbnQgbG9jYWwgcmVz b3VyY2UgZm9yIGFkdmljZSBhbmQgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24gYW5kIHdl4oCZbGwgZG8gb3VyIGJlc3QN CnRvIGhlbHAgeW91IG91dCBhcyB5b3UgZ2V0IGdvaW5nIG9uIHlvdXIgcHJvamVjdC4NCg0KTWlr ZSBDdXkNCk9oaW8NCg0KDQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:40 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Jake's 1931 Pietenpol replica update... Here is an update from Jake Shultz and his Rotec-powered, steel tube Piet. I know there was some discussion about his wicker sears recently, and thought everyone might like to see some progress pics. (second attempt) Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com Begin forwarded message: > Jake writes: > Howdy all, > > My 1931 Pietenpol replica project is moving along well... > > ROTEC was originally posting updates on their site whenever I sent > them information, yet they are building a totally new website and > have not had time to post project updates as quickly as they would > like. They are still fantastic with support whenever I call with > installation questions. > > The project sequence has been to build the fundamentals first, then > move on to detail components in a logical manner. > > Construction of the 4130 tubing fuselage was built exactly to the > 1932 Flying and Glider manual dimensions - except I made my fuselage > two inches wider than plans, added a passenger door cutout, and > reinforced that door cutout area with upsized/additional tubing. > > I next worked to understand the pilot and passenger spaces. This > involved mocking up the seats, seat-supports, instrument boards, and > floorboards. (There is virtually no information on these details as > they relate to the original steel-tube design in the 1932 Flying and > Glider Manual...!) Several friends served as test subjects by > climbing in and out of the front seat to verify clearances. Both > seats were fully formed/welded 4130 tubing, powder coated, then > woven with real wicker. I did all the forming, cutting, and fitting > of the parts. I hired out the welding, powder coating, and wicker > weaving (say that three times fast...!) > > Enjoy a few recent photos of the seats, West-African hardwood > (Bubinga) veneer floorboards, and "turned" instrument boards. > > Having a great time... > > Jake > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport pilot training From: "coxwelljon" Kringle wrote: > Wouldn't it be wise to get my sport pilot training in a pietenpol if that is what I intend on flying? Are there cfi's that will do this? I agree with the previous posts. Make getting your license and building an airplane 2 different projects. I have a lot of hours in a lot of different airplanes. Most things about flying are the same and when you have the basics well ingrained in your brain you will find it easier to concentrate on the differences that each airplane presents. I have checked out in at least 4 different tail wheel airplanes from Maul to Aeronca and probably twice that many tri-gear including complex, high performance and retractable. Each new airplane becomes a little easier and each new airplane that I have flown has made me a better pilot. Once you get your license you will probably find a lot of recreational pilots that will take you along and let you fly just to show off their airplane. There are now a lot of cool sport aircraft out there to try. Once you have flown some of these sleek carbon fiber craft you will appreciate the wooden open cockpit, low and slow that much more. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300773#300773 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:41 PM PST US From: "Jason Holmes" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Piet gathering Shad, My dad and I will be stopping in on Saturday. We will bring some cash for the donation jar and some food if I have time to get something together. Thanks for organizing this, Jason Holmes -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 12:05 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Piet gathering Well, the hanger addition is done, the clean up is in progress, and hopfully the annual will be done on the piet for the 19th. I am looking forward to seeing all of you that can make it. I am planning the food purchase (hot dogs, buns etc) so cime in here if you plan on attending. Bring a dish if you can, and I will put out a voulentary donnation jar, put in if you want to, it will help us keep this thing going for future gatherings, and keep me from going broke (port a johns food cost etc etc). To Don Emch, Don't worry about bringing a tent I told you before (I think), that you are welcome to my tent and air mattress, since you will have a co-pilot with you. I also have a couple sets of tie downs for those who don't have any, if you plan on camping over night you are welcome to them. If I have room, I might be able to get 1 or 2 additional piets in my hanger, who ever brings the better beer gets 1st dibs. If by chance we get a shower overnight fly-in campers can put a tent on the hanger floor (concrete) and have a dry nights sleep, you will be the security force for the night, shot gun and buck shot is optional, smack them with a piece of spar stock if you want. Hope the weather holds out, and looking forward to seeing you all, Shad ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sport pilot training From: "Kringle" Red Stewart field really appeals to me. It's only about an hour and 15 minutes away, has a grass field, and they fly j3 cubs. I called today and they seemed real friendly. Thanks -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300778#300778 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:48 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Shad's Ohio Piet gathering info, who is flying in? Mr, Jason Holmes, will you be flying in or driving? If flying what type of aircraft? The field is supposed to go public (or might already be, I honestly do not know) and the owner said he had or was putting out a notam for tailwheels only. The field does have tricycle aircraft based here, 172, and a couple homebuilts, so just use good judgement. The field is fairly smooth with a couple bumps that will bounce you up just when you think you greesed it on, so keep that yoke/stick in your lap. Also a reminder to all you flying in FLY A NORTH PATTERN, RIGHT TRAFFIC FOR 28, LEFT TRAFFIC FOR 10. And also watch out for radio contolled aircraft at the south-west end of the field, make a pattern alt fly over to scope it out and make sure the model club sees you then come around and land. And to every one else who plans on flying in Piet or other please respond so I can plan on a parking arrangement. I will keep posting off and on the next week or so with updates and other info. Now it's back out to the hanger for more clean up (10:45pm) Shad ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:14 PM PST US From: "Jason Holmes" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Shad's Ohio Piet gathering info, who is flying in? Shad, sorry I didn't give more details in that post. I, and my Dad, will by driving in. I have flown out of there with Bill taking lessons in the Champ so I will just park wherever I can (probably at the hangars unless Bill minds). Thanks, Jason -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Shad's Ohio Piet gathering info, who is flying in? Mr, Jason Holmes, will you be flying in or driving? If flying what type of aircraft? The field is supposed to go public (or might already be, I honestly do not know) and the owner said he had or was putting out a notam for tailwheels only. The field does have tricycle aircraft based here, 172, and a couple homebuilts, so just use good judgement. The field is fairly smooth with a couple bumps that will bounce you up just when you think you greesed it on, so keep that yoke/stick in your lap. Also a reminder to all you flying in FLY A NORTH PATTERN, RIGHT TRAFFIC FOR 28, LEFT TRAFFIC FOR 10. And also watch out for radio contolled aircraft at the south-west end of the field, make a pattern alt fly over to scope it out and make sure the model club sees you then come around and land. And to every one else who plans on flying in Piet or other please respond so I can plan on a parking arrangement. I will keep posting off and on the next week or so with updates and other info. Now it's back out to the hanger for more clean up (10:45pm) Shad ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shad's Ohio Piet gathering info, who is flying in? From: helspersew@aol.com Shad, Good luck to you, and all the attendees. Wish I were in a position to come myself. Sounds like loads of fun. I predict this event will be successful , and fun will be had by all. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. PS. I met your dad at an EAA Sportair workshop "Aircraft Covering Methods" in Columbus a few years back. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Wed, Jun 9, 2010 9:41 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Shad's Ohio Piet gathering info, who is flyin g in? Mr, Jason Holmes, will you be flying in or driving? If flying what type of ircraft? The field is supposed to go public (or might already be, I hones tly o not know) and the owner said he had or was putting out a notam for tailw heels nly. The field does have tricycle aircraft based here, 172, and a couple omebuilts, so just use good judgement. The field is fairly smooth with a ouple bumps that will bounce you up just when you think you greesed it on, so eep that yoke/stick in your lap. Also a reminder to all you flying in FLY A ORTH PATTERN, RIGHT TRAFFIC FOR 28, LEFT TRAFFIC FOR 10. And also watch out or radio contolled aircraft at the south-west end of the field, make a pat tern lt fly over to scope it out and make sure the model club sees you then com e round and land. And to every one else who plans on flying in Piet or othe r lease respond so I can plan on a parking arrangement. I will keep posting off nd on the next week or so with updates and other info. Now it's back out to the hanger for more clean up (10:45pm) had -======================== ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:02 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shad's Ohio Piet gathering info, who is flying in? Dan H., I have been to your house also, we taxied from the pumps in your sedan when Santiago came up, Mayby next year if all goes well you'll be able to make it, although it will be about 6-8 hrs flight time. We might try Brodhead again in 2011, although with #2 on the way the wife might say NO! 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