---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/10/10: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:39 AM - Dan Helsper's cockpit coaming (gcardinal) 2. 04:54 AM - Re: Dan Helsper's cockpit coaming- Att: Chris Tracy (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:11 AM - Newspaper article about my Piet (Ben Charvet) 4. 05:34 AM - Re: Newspaper article about my Piet (Jim Markle) 5. 05:44 AM - Re: Dan Helsper's cockpit coaming (Ryan Mueller) 6. 05:49 AM - Re: Newspaper article about my Piet (ALAN LYSCARS) 7. 06:42 AM - article about Ben and his new Pietenpol in Florida (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 8. 08:09 AM - Re: article about Ben and his new Pietenpol in Florida (Jack Phillips) 9. 08:47 AM - Re: article about Ben and his new Pietenpol in Florida (H RULE) 10. 09:03 AM - Re: 4th Annual Antique Homebuilt Fly-in (Jack) 11. 09:21 AM - Stearman incident in DC Monday (chase143(at)aol.com) 12. 09:34 AM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Dan Yocum) 13. 09:50 AM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Jeff Boatright) 14. 09:54 AM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Ryan Mueller) 15. 10:04 AM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Perry Rhoads) 16. 10:50 AM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Dan Yocum) 17. 11:36 AM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Ryan Mueller) 18. 11:42 AM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Jeff Boatright) 19. 12:02 PM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Dan Yocum) 20. 12:37 PM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Ryan Mueller) 21. 12:53 PM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (H RULE) 22. 01:50 PM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Jack Phillips) 23. 03:33 PM - Re: Stearman incident in DC (Jerry Dotson) 24. 04:10 PM - Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading (Jerry Dotson) 25. 04:21 PM - OT :: Stearman incident in DC (Wayne Bressler) 26. 08:14 PM - Re: Update on oh piet gathering (shad bell) 27. 09:21 PM - O-200 Mount (replacing C-85) (Al Bane) 28. 09:26 PM - Re: O-200 Mount (replacing C-85) (CozyGirrrl@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:49 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper's cockpit coaming Hey Dan, The Brits like your method of applying leather coaming to the cockpit. http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/leather-coaming-padding/4541602921 That would be a good link to have on Chris Tracy's site www.westcoastpiet.com Greg C. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper's cockpit coaming- Att: Chris Tracy From: helspersew@aol.com Thanks for picking up on this Greg. Chris Tracy, are you listening? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: gcardinal Sent: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 6:43 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper's cockpit coaming Hey Dan, The Brits like your method of applying leather coaming to the cockpit. http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/leather-coaming-padding/4541602921 That would be a good link to have on Chris Tracy's site www.westcoastpiet. com Greg C. ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:20 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newspaper article about my Piet I got interviewed a few weeks ago by a freelance for a local newspaper. Attached is the link. http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?m 07&l=1&p=33 Ben Charvet Mims, Fl ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:18 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newspaper article about my Piet Wow, nice article! Sure do like those wood cabanes! jm -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Charvet >Sent: Jun 10, 2010 7:11 AM >To: Pietenpol list >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newspaper article about my Piet > > >I got interviewed a few weeks ago by a freelance for a local newspaper. >Attached is the link. > >http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?m 07&l=1&p=33 > >Ben Charvet >Mims, Fl > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan Helsper's cockpit coaming From: Ryan Mueller And Dan is now one step closer to getting his CBE. Nice! Ryan do not archive On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:43 AM, gcardinal wrote: > Hey Dan, > > The Brits like your method of applying leather coaming to the cockpit. > > http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/leather-coaming-padding/4541602921 > > That would be a good link to have on Chris Tracy's site > www.westcoastpiet.com > > Greg C. > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:35 AM PST US From: "ALAN LYSCARS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newspaper article about my Piet Nicely done, Ben! The article was well written and, I felt, adequately conveyed your motivation to start and complete your ship. Keep 'Em Flying! Al Lyscars Manchester, NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newspaper article about my Piet > > I got interviewed a few weeks ago by a freelance for a local newspaper. > Attached is the link. > > http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?m 07&l=1&p=33 > > Ben Charvet > Mims, Fl > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:12 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: article about Ben and his new Pietenpol in Florida Good article about you and you plane Ben and I'm reminded of how diverse a group we have out there when I read that Ben is a pharmacist. We have such a talented group of people out there professionally who choose the simple, slow, and antiquated design of the Pietenpol. I know the following people who have or are building Pietenpols: A retired airline pilot who has every rating in the book and has flown everything from Cubs to 747's and B-29's. A farmer. An accomplished dentist....several of them in fact. Engineers of all types. Fireman, policemen, investigators. Retired nuclear powerplant operators Business owners. Software, IT, and web design experts who talk in languages that make me feel like an illegal immigrant who just arrived. Retired USAF F-16 pilots. Active US Army helicopter pilots. Construction workers, electricians, pipe fitters, and highway construction trades people. Artists who live on houseboats. Retired airline pilots.....did I say that already ? Yes--because there are a BUNCH of them that choose Pietenpols. Young men in college or who have just gotten married. Aircraft manufacturing employees Fathers of kids who work on Richard Branson and Burt Rutan's Scaled Composite projects. Truck drivers. Active military personnel, Reservists, Guards, and retired Veterans of all branches of the military. Attorneys and lawyers.....some of which have actually dispelled the commonly held bad rap that most of them take. http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?m 07&l=1&p=33 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:46 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: article about Ben and his new Pietenpol in Florida Add to that list a Riverboat Pilot, and a Realtor Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:22 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: article about Ben and his new Pietenpol in Florida Aerospace Corporation]" Good article about you and you plane Ben and I'm reminded of how diverse a group we have out there when I read that Ben is a pharmacist. We have such a talented group of people out there professionally who choose the simple, slow, and antiquated design of the Pietenpol. I know the following people who have or are building Pietenpols: A retired airline pilot who has every rating in the book and has flown everything from Cubs to 747's and B-29's. A farmer. An accomplished dentist....several of them in fact. Engineers of all types. Fireman, policemen, investigators. Retired nuclear powerplant operators Business owners. Software, IT, and web design experts who talk in languages that make me feel like an illegal immigrant who just arrived. Retired USAF F-16 pilots. Active US Army helicopter pilots. Construction workers, electricians, pipe fitters, and highway construction trades people. Artists who live on houseboats. Retired airline pilots.....did I say that already ? Yes--because there are a BUNCH of them that choose Pietenpols. Young men in college or who have just gotten married. Aircraft manufacturing employees Fathers of kids who work on Richard Branson and Burt Rutan's Scaled Composite projects. Truck drivers. Active military personnel, Reservists, Guards, and retired Veterans of all branches of the military. Attorneys and lawyers.....some of which have actually dispelled the commonly held bad rap that most of them take. http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?m 07&l=1&p=33 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:15 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: article about Ben and his new Pietenpol in Florida You can include a retired Bell guy in there now too.We are just a bunch of ding-a-lings.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" =0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" =0ASent : Thu, June 10, 2010 9:21:51 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: article about Be n and his new Pietenpol in Florida=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted b y: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" =0A=0A=0AGood article about you and you plane Ben and I'm reminded of how diverse a group we have out there=0Awhen I read that Ben is a pharm acist.- We have such a talented group of people out there professionally =0Awho choose the simple, slow, and antiquated design of the Pietenpol. =0A =0AI know the following people who have or are building Pietenpols: =0A=0A =0AA retired airline pilot who has every rating in the book and has flown e verything from Cubs to 747's and B-29's. =0A=0AA farmer. =0A=0AAn accomplis hed dentist....several of them in fact.=0A=0AEngineers of all types.=0A=0AF ireman, policemen, investigators. =0A=0ARetired nuclear powerplant operator s=0A=0ABusiness owners.=0A=0ASoftware, IT, and web design experts who talk in languages that make me feel like an illegal immigrant who just arrived. =0A=0ARetired USAF F-16 pilots.=0A=0AActive US Army helicopter pilots.=0A =0AConstruction workers, electricians, pipe fitters, and highway constructi on trades people.=0A=0AArtists who live on houseboats.=0A=0ARetired airline pilots.....did I say that already ?- - Yes--because there are a BUNCH of them that choose Pietenpols. =0A=0AYoung men in college or who have just gotten married. =0A=0AAircraft manufacturing employees=0A=0AFathers of kid s who work on Richard Branson and Burt Rutan's Scaled Composite projects. =0A=0ATruck drivers.=0A=0AActive military personnel, Reservists, Guards, an d retired Veterans of all branches of the military.=0A=0AAttorneys and lawy ers.....some of which have actually dispelled the commonly held bad rap tha t most of them take.- =0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.mydigitalpublication.com/public - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:04 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 4th Annual Antique Homebuilt Fly-in Talked with Ben Taylor to confirm Fly-In is open to anyone. There may be a small camping and or registration fee. The road closure is between Blakesburg and Ottumwa. If you are coming or have questions contact Ben at BenjaminlTaylor@yahoo.com It should be a great time! Jack DSM All, Antique Airfield will be holding the 4th annual Homebuilt Fly-in at IA27 on July 2nd and 3rd. The flyer is attached. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stearman incident in DC Monday From: "chase143(at)aol.com" Saw them flying overhead towards Reagan National Monday, but did not see this until it hit the news. Both guys walked away. This is just one of several camera angles. http://www.king5.com/video/featured-videos/Watch-Vintage-plane-flips-at-DC-airport-95897524.html -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300828#300828 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:52 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading Perry, On 06/09/2010 09:59 AM, Perry Rhoads wrote: > > > Dan, > > Check the tach cable, if you haven't already. I had a tach cable break > on N12939. After replacement, the tach reads higher. I changed nothing > but the cable. Hm. How is the tach cable connected to an A65? Is it a mechanical connection or is it a magnetic connection like on the meter end or some sort of oil chamber connection? Boy, I really need to look closely at how the cable is routed - hopefully it's on the inside of the plane and not between the ply and fabric. Thanks for the input, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:32 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading Dan, It's mechanical on small Continentals. Comes off the back of the engine, very easy to see once you have the cowling off. Jeff Hm. How is the tach cable connected to an A65? Is it a mechanical connection or is it a magnetic connection like on the meter end or some sort of oil chamber connection? -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading From: Ryan Mueller Dan, The tach connection is mechanical. A cable runs from the tach drive on the engine to the tachometer. The tach drive is located on the accessory case, to the right and slightly below the oil screen: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4688608856_e6d98a78da_b.jpg Follow the cable to see how it is routed. Most likely it runs through the firewall and snakes along the side/underside of a longeron to make its way to the tach in the rear panel. Ryan On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Perry, > > > On 06/09/2010 09:59 AM, Perry Rhoads wrote: > >> >> >> Dan, >> >> Check the tach cable, if you haven't already. I had a tach cable break >> on N12939. After replacement, the tach reads higher. I changed nothing >> but the cable. >> > > Hm. How is the tach cable connected to an A65? Is it a mechanical > connection or is it a magnetic connection like on the meter end or some sort > of oil chamber connection? > > Boy, I really need to look closely at how the cable is routed - hopefully > it's on the inside of the plane and not between the ply and fabric. > > Thanks for the input, > > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:03 AM PST US From: "Perry Rhoads" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading Dan, You could have an electrical tach, but most small Continentals in airplanes like Pietenpols use a mechanical tach. The cable is driven from the rear of the engine, hopefully through the cockpit, probably to a right angle drive on the back of the tach. My old cable was slowly destroying itself, and I'm assuming causing excess friction inside the housing. Thus my increased tach reading with the new cable. Maybe some of this applies to your problem. Perry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading > > Perry, > > On 06/09/2010 09:59 AM, Perry Rhoads wrote: >> >> >> Dan, >> >> Check the tach cable, if you haven't already. I had a tach cable break >> on N12939. After replacement, the tach reads higher. I changed nothing >> but the cable. > > Hm. How is the tach cable connected to an A65? Is it a mechanical > connection or is it a magnetic connection like on the meter end or some > sort of oil chamber connection? > > Boy, I really need to look closely at how the cable is routed - hopefully > it's on the inside of the plane and not between the ply and fabric. > > Thanks for the input, > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:24 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading On 06/10/2010 11:54 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Dan, > > The tach connection is mechanical. A cable runs from the tach drive on > the engine to the tachometer. The tach drive is located on the accessory > case, to the right and slightly below the oil screen: > > http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4688608856_e6d98a78da_b.jpg And in that hole (with the arrow) is a gear that the tach cable gear meshes with, right? Hmmmm... all of a sudden I'm afraid to look in that hole! What if the worm gear is starting to eat itself? What if the metal shavings are making their way back into the engine? Or, am I letting my paranoia take control and I should just shut up and fly? -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading From: Ryan Mueller Dan, The tach drive cable is driven by the end of the oil pump gear shaft. It's been a while since I've had one off, but if I recall the drive cable nests itself inside the end of the shaft, and I think it nests inside a similar shaft/receptacle on the tachometer. It is not a geared connection. What you would be able to see by pulling the tach cable off the tach drive is the condition of the end of the cable that nests inside the shaft, and of course the condition of the shaft itself. You may also be able to get an idea as to whether or not the cable is properly engaging the drive. Ryan On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > > On 06/10/2010 11:54 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > >> Dan, >> >> The tach connection is mechanical. A cable runs from the tach drive on >> the engine to the tachometer. The tach drive is located on the accessory >> case, to the right and slightly below the oil screen: >> >> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4688608856_e6d98a78da_b.jpg >> > > And in that hole (with the arrow) is a gear that the tach cable gear meshes > with, right? > > Hmmmm... all of a sudden I'm afraid to look in that hole! What if the worm > gear is starting to eat itself? What if the metal shavings are making their > way back into the engine? Or, am I letting my paranoia take control and I > should just shut up and fly? > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:02 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading If the tach gear looks buggered up, then look for metal bits in the oil. What does your oil look like? What does the screen look like? Or do you have a filter? Regardless, things often don't get caught by screens and filters. Might be a good idea to drain the oil, let stuff settle in the pan (start off with a clean pan), and then rub your fingers around the bottom. This is how we figured out that are generator gear was eating itself. > > >On 06/10/2010 11:54 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: >>Dan, >> >>The tach connection is mechanical. A cable runs from the tach drive on >>the engine to the tachometer. The tach drive is located on the accessory >>case, to the right and slightly below the oil screen: >> >>http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4688608856_e6d98a78da_b.jpg > >And in that hole (with the arrow) is a gear that the tach cable gear >meshes with, right? > >Hmmmm... all of a sudden I'm afraid to look in that hole! What if >the worm gear is starting to eat itself? What if the metal shavings >are making their way back into the engine? Or, am I letting my >paranoia take control and I should just shut up and fly? > > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:27 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading At the last oil change there was nothing obvious in the screen or the bottom of the pan. Though, I admit that I didn't let the oil settle for very long. I sent out a sample of the oil to be analyzed and they didn't raise any warning flags, not that I'd expect any on the first sample submission. Just googling a bit I ran across this image which is what got me all worked up: http://www.corvettemagazine.com/2001/july/tach/tach1.asp Yes, I know it's for a Corvette, not a Continental, but my imagination went wild. If there's no gear, the end just sits in the end of the oil pump shaft, then I feel a bit better... still confused as to why it's reading low, but better. The condition inspection got pushed back until next Tuesday, so I'll have my A&P take a look at the cable to see what he thinks. Thanks everyone! Dan On 06/10/2010 01:17 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > If the tach gear looks buggered up, then look for metal bits in the oil. > What does your oil look like? What does the screen look like? Or do you > have a filter? Regardless, things often don't get caught by screens and > filters. Might be a good idea to drain the oil, let stuff settle in the > pan (start off with a clean pan), and then rub your fingers around the > bottom. This is how we figured out that are generator gear was eating > itself. > > >> >> >> >> On 06/10/2010 11:54 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: >>> Dan, >>> >>> The tach connection is mechanical. A cable runs from the tach drive on >>> the engine to the tachometer. The tach drive is located on the accessory >>> case, to the right and slightly below the oil screen: >>> >>> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4688608856_e6d98a78da_b.jpg >> >> And in that hole (with the arrow) is a gear that the tach cable gear >> meshes with, right? >> >> Hmmmm... all of a sudden I'm afraid to look in that hole! What if the >> worm gear is starting to eat itself? What if the metal shavings are >> making their way back into the engine? Or, am I letting my paranoia >> take control and I should just shut up and fly? >> >> >> -- >> Dan Yocum >> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading From: Ryan Mueller Thankfully you're not flying a Corvette. :P I found the drawing from the A-65 manual that shows the exploded view of the accessory housing: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4688943518_5f94d88e0a_b.jpg #116 is the oil pump gear/drive that drives the tach cable. Ryan On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > At the last oil change there was nothing obvious in the screen or the > bottom of the pan. Though, I admit that I didn't let the oil settle for > very long. I sent out a sample of the oil to be analyzed and they didn't > raise any warning flags, not that I'd expect any on the first sample > submission. > > Just googling a bit I ran across this image which is what got me all worked > up: > > http://www.corvettemagazine.com/2001/july/tach/tach1.asp > > Yes, I know it's for a Corvette, not a Continental, but my imagination went > wild. > > If there's no gear, the end just sits in the end of the oil pump shaft, > then I feel a bit better... still confused as to why it's reading low, but > better. > > The condition inspection got pushed back until next Tuesday, so I'll have > my A&P take a look at the cable to see what he thinks. > > Thanks everyone! > Dan > > > On 06/10/2010 01:17 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > >> >> If the tach gear looks buggered up, then look for metal bits in the oil. >> What does your oil look like? What does the screen look like? Or do you >> have a filter? Regardless, things often don't get caught by screens and >> filters. Might be a good idea to drain the oil, let stuff settle in the >> pan (start off with a clean pan), and then rub your fingers around the >> bottom. This is how we figured out that are generator gear was eating >> itself. >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 06/10/2010 11:54 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: >>> >>>> Dan, >>>> >>>> The tach connection is mechanical. A cable runs from the tach drive on >>>> the engine to the tachometer. The tach drive is located on the accessory >>>> case, to the right and slightly below the oil screen: >>>> >>>> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4688608856_e6d98a78da_b.jpg >>>> >>> >>> And in that hole (with the arrow) is a gear that the tach cable gear >>> meshes with, right? >>> >>> Hmmmm... all of a sudden I'm afraid to look in that hole! What if the >>> worm gear is starting to eat itself? What if the metal shavings are >>> making their way back into the engine? Or, am I letting my paranoia >>> take control and I should just shut up and fly? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Yocum >>> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >>> >> >> >> > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:18 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading Looks like C3P0=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________ _______=0AFrom: Ryan Mueller =0ATo: pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com=0ASent: Thu, June 10, 2010 3:24:18 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol- List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading=0A=0AThankfully you'r e not flying a Corvette. :P =0A=0AI found the drawing from the A-65 manual that shows the exploded view of the accessory housing: =0A=0Ahttp://farm5.s tatic.flickr.com/4011/4688943518_5f94d88e0a_b.jpg=0A=0A#116 is the oil pump gear/drive that drives the tach cable.-=0A=0ARyan=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, Jun 10 , 2010 at 2:01 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-Lis t message posted by: Dan Yocum =0A>=0A>At the last oil chan ge there was nothing obvious in the screen or the bottom of the pan. -Tho ugh, I admit that I didn't let the oil settle for very long. -I sent out a sample of the oil to be analyzed and they didn't raise any warning flags, not that I'd expect any on the first sample submission.=0A>=0A>Just googli ng a bit I ran across this image which is what got me all worked up:=0A>=0A >http://www.corvettemagazine.com/2001/july/tach/tach1.asp=0A>=0A>Yes, I kno w it's for a Corvette, not a Continental, but my imagination went wild.=0A> =0A>If there's no gear, the end just sits in the end of the oil pump shaft, then I feel a bit better... still confused as to why it's reading low, but better.=0A>=0A>The condition inspection got pushed back until next Tuesday , so I'll have my A&P take a look at the cable to see what he thinks.=0A> =0A>Thanks everyone!=0A>Dan =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On 06/10/2010 01:17 PM, Jef ght =0A>>=0A>>If the tach gear looks buggered up, then l ook for metal bits in the oil.=0A>>What does your oil look like? What does the screen look like? Or do you=0A>>have a filter? Regardless, things often don't get caught by screens and=0A>>filters. Might be a good idea to drain the oil, let stuff settle in the=0A>>pan (start off with a clean pan), and then rub your fingers around the=0A>>bottom. This is how we figured out th at are generator gear was eating=0A>>itself.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>--> Pietenp ol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A> >>On 06/10/2010 11:54 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>Dan,=0A>>>>=0A>>>> The tach connection is mechanical. A cable runs from the tach drive on=0A>> >>the engine to the tachometer. The tach drive is located on the accessory =0A>>>>case, to the right and slightly below the oil screen:=0A>>>>=0A>>>>h ttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4688608856_e6d98a78da_b.jpg=0A>>>>=0A>>> And in that hole (with the arrow) is a gear that the tach cable gear=0A>>>m eshes with, right?=0A>>>=0A>>>Hmmmm... all of a sudden I'm afraid to look i n that hole! What if the=0A>>>worm gear is starting to eat itself? What if the metal shavings are=0A>>>making their way back into the engine? Or, am I letting my paranoia=0A>>>take control and I should just shut up and fly? =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>--=0A>>>Dan Yocum=0A>>>Fermilab -630.840.6509- 630.84 0.6509 =0A>>>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov=0A>>>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>- - =0A>Dan Yocum=0A>Fermilab---630.840.6509- 630.840.6509 =0A>yocum@ fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov=0A>"I fly because it releases my mind f rom the tyranny of petty things."=0A>=0A>=0A>========== ==0A>st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L ist=0A>============0A>http://forums.matronics.com=0A> ============0A>le, List Admin.=0A>="_blank">http:// www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>============0A>=0A> ======================= ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:13 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading Ryan is correct - the tach cable just nests inside the oil pump shaft with a 1/8" square peg fitting into a square hole in the shaft. Any fraying or breaking of the cable is almost certainly NOT in the end of the cable that plugs into the gear shaft since that portion is contained within the accessory case and cannot flex much. Any break is probably where the cable was bent too sharply to fit around something. In a Pietenpol, since the engine end of the cable is almost on the aircraft centerline but the cable must make it around the front cockpit to get to the rear instrument panel, there are some significant bends required. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading Thankfully you're not flying a Corvette. :P I found the drawing from the A-65 manual that shows the exploded view of the accessory housing: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4688943518_5f94d88e0a_b.jpg #116 is the oil pump gear/drive that drives the tach cable. Ryan On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: At the last oil change there was nothing obvious in the screen or the bottom of the pan. Though, I admit that I didn't let the oil settle for very long. I sent out a sample of the oil to be analyzed and they didn't raise any warning flags, not that I'd expect any on the first sample submission. Just googling a bit I ran across this image which is what got me all worked up: http://www.corvettemagazine.com/2001/july/tach/tach1.asp Yes, I know it's for a Corvette, not a Continental, but my imagination went wild. If there's no gear, the end just sits in the end of the oil pump shaft, then I feel a bit better... still confused as to why it's reading low, but better. The condition inspection got pushed back until next Tuesday, so I'll have my A&P take a look at the cable to see what he thinks. Thanks everyone! Dan On 06/10/2010 01:17 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: If the tach gear looks buggered up, then look for metal bits in the oil. What does your oil look like? What does the screen look like? Or do you have a filter? Regardless, things often don't get caught by screens and filters. Might be a good idea to drain the oil, let stuff settle in the pan (start off with a clean pan), and then rub your fingers around the bottom. This is how we figured out that are generator gear was eating itself. On 06/10/2010 11:54 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: Dan, The tach connection is mechanical. A cable runs from the tach drive on the engine to the tachometer. The tach drive is located on the accessory case, to the right and slightly below the oil screen: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4688608856_e6d98a78da_b.jpg And in that hole (with the arrow) is a gear that the tach cable gear meshes with, right? Hmmmm... all of a sudden I'm afraid to look in that hole! What if the worm gear is starting to eat itself? What if the metal shavings are making their way back into the engine? Or, am I letting my paranoia take control and I should just shut up and fly? -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stearman incident in DC From: "Jerry Dotson" Saw a video on CNN. It looked like he landed with the brakes locked. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300889#300889 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: the mystery of the degrading tachometer reading From: "Jerry Dotson" Dan if the tach is steady...not bouncing around my $0.02 is either the magnet is getting weak or the tach has internal friction. Wish you were near I would loan you mine to test it. The needle is removable and could have slipped. Not too likely. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300893#300893 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:54 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT :: Stearman incident in DC I have two videos on my homepage right now. One from inside the cockpit, and on from outside. I also have links to several news reports on the incident, including one from the AOPA. www.taildraggersinc.com DO NOT ARCHIVE Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Jun 10, 2010, at 6:33 PM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: > > > Saw a video on CNN. It looked like he landed with the brakes locked. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > Ribs and tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300889#300889 > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:08 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on oh piet gathering Well, just another update, got everything ready for next weekend, hanger is cleaned up, Dad's piet is getting closed up after the annual inspection. Engine ground runs were good, and all thats left is to cowl it up re track the prop and wash her down. A 2 month annual seems lengthy, but I got interupted when I decided to add on to my hanger back in early april. Just a side note, I got a call tonight from an old model airplane club guy I met 15+ yrs ago when I was a young teenager, (haven't talked to him in 15+yrs), and he heard about the fly in and told me he just bought a piet a few days ago, with a cont. down in southern ohio. He said he probably won't make the fly-in due to a family reunion, but thats one more ohio piet for next year. Also to the ohio area guys, The Mt. Vernon Wynkoop WACO fly-in is the sat after our Ohio Piet Gathering, I took a vacation day and plan on flying over, if anyone else plans on attending let me know, I meet up with you. Time for sleep, Shad ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:28 PM PST US From: Al Bane Subject: Pietenpol-List: O-200 Mount (replacing C-85) Greetings, I am part of a builders group called Scounge Dawg Aviation in the Metro East area of St. Louis (splinter group of EAA 64). We are in the process of rebuilding Art Holiman's GN-1 (N396S) that he crashed in 1997 I believe. Some of you may remember that one, as I know Art had it up to Brodhead in the 90's. One of our guys, Brian Kissinger, wrote a short article about our group for the BPA newsletter a couple of issues back. Anyway, Art had a C-85 engine on the plane. We do not have that engine or the mount (I understand he used a Cub mount). We do have an O-200 that we are going to use. We hope to use the same holes on the firewall (18 3/4" W X 18 5/16 H), but are looking for recommendations from anyone who has made this (or similar) conversion. If there is no existing mount that we can bolt on, we are prepared to fabricate one ourselves or have someone else do it if necessary. In searching the archives, I saw where Jack Phillips made this conversion on his C-140. Jack, if you have any recommendations, we'd love to hear about your experience. Or anyone else who can help us out. Appreciate any feedback we can get. Thanks. Al Bane Troy, IL By the way, I am building my own Pietenpol. I bought Bill See's project last fall and recently bought Ryan Mueller's A-65 that he was selling a few weeks ago. I'm currently flying a Quicksilver Sport 2S out of Litchfield, IL, home of Perry Rhoads' (formerly Vi Kapler's) Piet. So I'm sure I'll be on here a lot if the future with my questions. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:57 PM PST US From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-200 Mount (replacing C-85) Dear Al, We are just across the river in St Charles. We have an engine mount fixture for Piets, check out _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.CozyGirrrl.com) Regards, Chrissi In a message dated 6/10/2010 11:21:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, adb7@earthlink.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Al Bane Greetings, I am part of a builders group called Scounge Dawg Aviation in the Metro East area of St. Louis (splinter group of EAA 64). We are in the process of rebuilding Art Holiman's GN-1 (N396S) that he crashed in 1997 I believe. Some of you may remember that one, as I know Art had it up to Brodhead in the 90's. One of our guys, Brian Kissinger, wrote a short article about our group for the BPA newsletter a couple of issues back. Anyway, Art had a C-85 engine on the plane. We do not have that engine or the mount (I understand he used a Cub mount). We do have an O-200 that we are going to use. We hope to use the same holes on the firewall (18 3/4" W X 18 5/16 H), but are looking for recommendations from anyone who has made this (or similar) conversion. If there is no existing mount that we can bolt on, we are prepared to fabricate one ourselves or have someone else do it if necessary. In searching the archives, I saw where Jack Phillips made this conversion on his C-140. Jack, if you have any recommendations, we'd love to hear about your experience. Or anyone else who can help us out. Appreciate any feedback we can get. Thanks. Al Bane Troy, IL By the way, I am building my own Pietenpol. I bought Bill See's project last fall and recently bought Ryan Mueller's A-65 that he was selling a few weeks ago. I'm currently flying a Quicksilver Sport 2S out of Litchfield, IL, home of Perry Rhoads' (formerly Vi Kapler's) Piet. 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