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1. 04:10 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Ameet Savant)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Ben Charvet)
3. 06:23 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (flea)
4. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Fuselage Tips (Peter W Johnson)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (flea)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Jack)
7. 08:29 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Don Emch)
8. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Jake's 1931 Pietenpol replica update... (wayne@taildraggersinc.com)
9. 09:23 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Jack)
10. 10:23 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Rick Holland)
11. 10:42 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Ryan Mueller)
12. 01:26 PM - making big parts small! (echobravo4)
13. 01:36 PM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Kringle)
14. 01:36 PM - Re: making big parts small! (Dan Yocum)
15. 02:12 PM - Re: making big parts small! (Ryan Mueller)
16. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Tips (Rick Holland)
17. 02:51 PM - Re: making big parts small! (Rick Holland)
18. 03:36 PM - Re: making big parts small! (K5YAC)
19. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: making big parts small! (Rick Holland)
20. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Tips (Jack)
21. 07:44 PM - 0200 (Douwe Blumberg)
22. 10:10 PM - Re: 0200 (ALAN LYSCARS)
23. 10:14 PM - Re: 0200 (Al Bane)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Tips |
I think that's the location of the passenger instrument panel. See the
drawing just below the one you scanned.
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, bcolleran <bcolleran@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Hey guys I am getting ready tomorrow to start the fuselage. Any tips?
>
> Also what is the 21 1/2" Measurment for on the top right side?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
> N424BK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Tips |
On 6/12/2010 12:40 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe"<gboothe5@comcast.net>
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> Consider moving the top of the rear seatback back a couple inches, unless
> you like sitting at attention...wish I had.
>
>
I thought the same thing the first time I sat in the fuselage . Now
that the airplane is flying its perfectly comfortable. Maybe if I was
taller (I'm 5'8") I would feel different, but now I'm glad I stuck to
the plans.
The upright position keeps your head closer to the windshield, and your
CG forward, both good things to think about.
Ben Charvet
NX866BC
34 hours so far
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Tips |
its not the pass. inst. panel because on the drawing below it show the panel 15"
back plus 6.25" back. thats 21.25". It's very close to the same location, but
on the drawing asked about the 21.5" is showing the length of the dotted line,
which is as we know a hidden detail. The only hidden details in this particular
drawing would be the gussets.
Check out westcoastpiet.com for tons of high quality pics of high quality work
on every single part of the plane if you haven't already done so. The only reason
I have not asked a ton of questions here is because pictures really are worth
a thousand, in this case not only words but potentially dollars too.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300992#300992
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Tips |
Jim,
Check out http://pietenpol.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0315_JPG.jpg
Looks like the gusset along the fuse side for the Model A engine bay.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://pietenpol.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flea
Sent: Saturday, 12 June 2010 11:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Tips
its not the pass. inst. panel because on the drawing below it show the panel
15" back plus 6.25" back. thats 21.25". It's very close to the same
location, but on the drawing asked about the 21.5" is showing the length of
the dotted line, which is as we know a hidden detail. The only hidden
details in this particular drawing would be the gussets.
Check out westcoastpiet.com for tons of high quality pics of high quality
work on every single part of the plane if you haven't already done so. The
only reason I have not asked a ton of questions here is because pictures
really are worth a thousand, in this case not only words but potentially
dollars too.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300992#300992
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Tips |
thats the gusset I was talking about 21 and a half inches long. also a good example
of the beautiful work I was talking about. Makes mine look like a kindergarten
finger painting project.
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Bill it is the dimension for a 1/8 inch stiffener that goes on the inside of
the frame. See it here on my site. http://textors.com/IMG_1816_640x427.jpg
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Tips
Hey guys I am getting ready tomorrow to start the fuselage. Any tips?
Also what is the 21 1/2" Measurment for on the top right side?
Thanks,
Bill
N424BK
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Tips |
Ben,
I couldn't agree with you more on the seat back angle. Mr. Pietenpol must have
figured out in the previous airplanes he built that a more straight seat back
angle was a good thing. I often find myself leaning a little off of the seat
back to stay within the windshield better. Seldom do I find myself wanting to
lean back. On landing the "at attention" angle is a very good thing. You sure
don't want to be "at ease". Ha!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Jake's 1931 Pietenpol replica update... |
Marion,
Here are the pictures that Jake sent. I hope they come through this time!
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
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Bill,
I angled my rear seat back two inches, back one inch at the top and forward
one inch at the bottom, which keeps the balance closer to original. I had
another fuselage which I didn't utilize where I could simulate many
different angles. Also, when it comes to gussets and blocks, stay close to
plans. For example I added a block (shown in link) thinking it would help
the strength and found out later it made the cutting and installation of the
V braces on the front seat harder to do. I had to place them in front of
the seat and wanted to position to the rear of the seat. You can see here...
http://textors.com/IMG_1939_640x427.jpg . Many other shots at
www.textors.com.
Enjoy,
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Tips
Hey guys I am getting ready tomorrow to start the fuselage. Any tips?
Also what is the 21 1/2" Measurment for on the top right side?
Thanks,
Bill
N424BK
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Tips |
I started fuselage construction building a mock fuselage out of scrap wood
(as recommended in the Bingelis books). Not only helped me figure out if I
wanted to change my seat back angle and increase turtle deck heights (and
widen my fuselage by 2 inches), but I also learned a lot about how
everything went together. So I had few problems when I started cutting the
expensive wood.
I also added simulated wing ribs and cabanes to see how much to increase
cabane length (see attached). And when you are done with it the kids can use
it for a sled or something.
rick
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:56 PM, bcolleran <bcolleran@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Hey guys I am getting ready tomorrow to start the fuselage. Any tips?
>
> Also what is the 21 1/2" Measurment for on the top right side?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
> N424BK
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300979#300979
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0585_165.jpg
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Tips |
Another good reason to build a mockup: to check the fit of comely young
lasses in the front cockpit. :P
Ryan
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On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> I started fuselage construction building a mock fuselage out of scrap wood
> (as recommended in the Bingelis books). Not only helped me figure out if I
> wanted to change my seat back angle and increase turtle deck heights (and
> widen my fuselage by 2 inches), but I also learned a lot about how
> everything went together. So I had few problems when I started cutting the
> expensive wood.
>
> I also added simulated wing ribs and cabanes to see how much to increase
> cabane length (see attached). And when you are done with it the kids can use
> it for a sled or something.
>
> rick
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:56 PM, bcolleran <bcolleran@comcast.net> wrote:
>
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>> Hey guys I am getting ready tomorrow to start the fuselage. Any tips?
>>
>> Also what is the 21 1/2" Measurment for on the top right side?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill
>> N424BK
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| Subject: | making big parts small! |
900 plywood gussets on the wall, 900 plywood gussets.... :)
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Tips |
Being new to this, I've been reading every post. I have even started to go back
and read most of the old posts. I am about to order plans and am counting on
you guys to help me out!
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John
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| Subject: | Re: making big parts small! |
I sanded my sheets of ply today, too. Waiting for the girls to wake up
before I crank up the table saw and make 'em little...
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On 06/12/2010 03:24 PM, echobravo4 wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "echobravo4"<eab4@comcast.net>
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> 900 plywood gussets on the wall, 900 plywood gussets.... :)
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Earl Brown
>
> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where
I intended to be.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301013#301013
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>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: making big parts small! |
I've got a 10" bandsaw from Craftsman that was only used for gussets that
would be a fine addition to your workshop. :P
Ryan
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
> I sanded my sheets of ply today, too. Waiting for the girls to wake up
> before I crank up the table saw and make 'em little...
>
> do not archive
>
>
> On 06/12/2010 03:24 PM, echobravo4 wrote:
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "echobravo4"<eab4@comcast.net>
>>
>> 900 plywood gussets on the wall, 900 plywood gussets.... :)
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> Earl Brown
>>
>> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
>> where I intended to be.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301013#301013
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> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Tips |
No problemo John. Get those plans ordered and bring on the questions. You
are about to begin a life-altering experience (some would call if a
life-mutating experience). And try to make it to Brodhead if you can, its
only a month and a half away, and you may even get a ride in a Piet.
rick
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
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> Being new to this, I've been reading every post. I have even started to go
> back and read most of the old posts. I am about to order plans and am
> counting on you guys to help me out!
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301015#301015
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: making big parts small! |
You did that in the correct order Dan. Like a dope I cut out many of my
gussets without sanding and had to sand them individually.
rick
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
> I sanded my sheets of ply today, too. Waiting for the girls to wake up
> before I crank up the table saw and make 'em little...
>
> do not archive
>
>
> On 06/12/2010 03:24 PM, echobravo4 wrote:
>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "echobravo4"<eab4@comcast.net>
>>
>> 900 plywood gussets on the wall, 900 plywood gussets.... :)
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> Earl Brown
>>
>> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
>> where I intended to be.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301013#301013
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> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: making big parts small! |
I did the same thing Rick... except my count was a little over 1000 pieces since
I installed uprights in front and behind each spar, plus the additional uprights
on the on the 6 end ribs. I probably would not install the uprights in front
and behind each spar again. It seems to be a bit much, and they were a minor
pain to slide onto the ribs. I think the single uprights (or maybe none
at all as per the original plans) would probably be sufficient.
I went through a dozen emery boards sanding each of those gussets before I glued
them. A sanding block would have have required minimal effort. I'll remember
that in the future.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: making big parts small! |
Yes Mark, I tried sanding several of my 1/16" gussets on a disk sander
(until a fair amount of my fingernails were sanded off).
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On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:34 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I did the same thing Rick... except my count was a little over 1000 pieces
> since I installed uprights in front and behind each spar, plus the
> additional uprights on the on the 6 end ribs. I probably would not install
> the uprights in front and behind each spar again. It seems to be a bit
> much, and they were a minor pain to slide onto the ribs. I think the single
> uprights (or maybe none at all as per the original plans) would probably be
> sufficient.
>
> I went through a dozen emery boards sanding each of those gussets before I
> glued them. A sanding block would have have required minimal effort. I'll
> remember that in the future.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301028#301028
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Tips |
That's great news John, you came to the right place!
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 3:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Tips
Being new to this, I've been reading every post. I have even started to go
back and read most of the old posts. I am about to order plans and am
counting on you guys to help me out!
--------
John
Read this topic online here:
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Hey Al,
What prop are you going to use on the 0200?
Douwe
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Douwe,
I'll be using the 100hp Corvair along with whatever William Wynne recommends
in wood. I'd love to hang a scimitar but I doubt it would be very
efficient.
Al Lyscars
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0200
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> Hey Al,
>
> What prop are you going to use on the 0200?
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
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Douwe,
I don't know that yet. We're looking to "scrounge" one somewhere. Any suggestions?
The original plane was heavy. In the 1994 Brodhead W&B measurements, it
weighed in at 820 lbs. empty with the C-85.
Al
-----Original Message-----
>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jun 12, 2010 9:43 PM
>To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0200
>
>
>Hey Al,
>
>What prop are you going to use on the 0200?
>
>Douwe
>
>
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