---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/12/10: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:10 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Ameet Savant) 2. 06:05 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Ben Charvet) 3. 06:23 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (flea) 4. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Fuselage Tips (Peter W Johnson) 5. 06:50 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (flea) 6. 06:59 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Jack) 7. 08:29 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Don Emch) 8. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Jake's 1931 Pietenpol replica update... (wayne@taildraggersinc.com) 9. 09:23 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Jack) 10. 10:23 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Rick Holland) 11. 10:42 AM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Ryan Mueller) 12. 01:26 PM - making big parts small! (echobravo4) 13. 01:36 PM - Re: Fuselage Tips (Kringle) 14. 01:36 PM - Re: making big parts small! (Dan Yocum) 15. 02:12 PM - Re: making big parts small! (Ryan Mueller) 16. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Tips (Rick Holland) 17. 02:51 PM - Re: making big parts small! (Rick Holland) 18. 03:36 PM - Re: making big parts small! (K5YAC) 19. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: making big parts small! (Rick Holland) 20. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Tips (Jack) 21. 07:44 PM - 0200 (Douwe Blumberg) 22. 10:10 PM - Re: 0200 (ALAN LYSCARS) 23. 10:14 PM - Re: 0200 (Al Bane) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Tips From: Ameet Savant I think that's the location of the passenger instrument panel. See the drawing just below the one you scanned. On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, bcolleran wrote: > > Hey guys I am getting ready tomorrow to start the fuselage. Any tips? > > Also what is the 21 1/2" Measurment for on the top right side? > > Thanks, > > Bill > N424BK > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:29 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Tips On 6/12/2010 12:40 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" > > Consider moving the top of the rear seatback back a couple inches, unless > you like sitting at attention...wish I had. > > I thought the same thing the first time I sat in the fuselage . Now that the airplane is flying its perfectly comfortable. Maybe if I was taller (I'm 5'8") I would feel different, but now I'm glad I stuck to the plans. The upright position keeps your head closer to the windshield, and your CG forward, both good things to think about. Ben Charvet NX866BC 34 hours so far ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Tips From: "flea" its not the pass. inst. panel because on the drawing below it show the panel 15" back plus 6.25" back. thats 21.25". It's very close to the same location, but on the drawing asked about the 21.5" is showing the length of the dotted line, which is as we know a hidden detail. The only hidden details in this particular drawing would be the gussets. Check out westcoastpiet.com for tons of high quality pics of high quality work on every single part of the plane if you haven't already done so. The only reason I have not asked a ton of questions here is because pictures really are worth a thousand, in this case not only words but potentially dollars too. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300992#300992 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:28 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Tips Jim, Check out http://pietenpol.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0315_JPG.jpg Looks like the gusset along the fuse side for the Model A engine bay. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://pietenpol.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flea Sent: Saturday, 12 June 2010 11:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Tips its not the pass. inst. panel because on the drawing below it show the panel 15" back plus 6.25" back. thats 21.25". It's very close to the same location, but on the drawing asked about the 21.5" is showing the length of the dotted line, which is as we know a hidden detail. The only hidden details in this particular drawing would be the gussets. Check out westcoastpiet.com for tons of high quality pics of high quality work on every single part of the plane if you haven't already done so. The only reason I have not asked a ton of questions here is because pictures really are worth a thousand, in this case not only words but potentially dollars too. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300992#300992 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Tips From: "flea" thats the gusset I was talking about 21 and a half inches long. also a good example of the beautiful work I was talking about. Makes mine look like a kindergarten finger painting project. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300995#300995 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:04 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Tips Bill it is the dimension for a 1/8 inch stiffener that goes on the inside of the frame. See it here on my site. http://textors.com/IMG_1816_640x427.jpg Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Tips Hey guys I am getting ready tomorrow to start the fuselage. Any tips? Also what is the 21 1/2" Measurment for on the top right side? Thanks, Bill N424BK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300979#300979 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0585_165.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Tips From: "Don Emch" Ben, I couldn't agree with you more on the seat back angle. Mr. Pietenpol must have figured out in the previous airplanes he built that a more straight seat back angle was a good thing. I often find myself leaning a little off of the seat back to stay within the windshield better. Seldom do I find myself wanting to lean back. On landing the "at attention" angle is a very good thing. You sure don't want to be "at ease". Ha! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301000#301000 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:36 AM PST US From: "wayne@taildraggersinc.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Jake's 1931 Pietenpol replica update... Marion, Here are the pictures that Jake sent. I hope they come through this time! Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com 25 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:45 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Tips Bill, I angled my rear seat back two inches, back one inch at the top and forward one inch at the bottom, which keeps the balance closer to original. I had another fuselage which I didn't utilize where I could simulate many different angles. Also, when it comes to gussets and blocks, stay close to plans. For example I added a block (shown in link) thinking it would help the strength and found out later it made the cutting and installation of the V braces on the front seat harder to do. I had to place them in front of the seat and wanted to position to the rear of the seat. You can see here... http://textors.com/IMG_1939_640x427.jpg . Many other shots at www.textors.com. Enjoy, Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Tips Hey guys I am getting ready tomorrow to start the fuselage. Any tips? Also what is the 21 1/2" Measurment for on the top right side? Thanks, Bill N424BK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300979#300979 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0585_165.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Tips From: Rick Holland I started fuselage construction building a mock fuselage out of scrap wood (as recommended in the Bingelis books). Not only helped me figure out if I wanted to change my seat back angle and increase turtle deck heights (and widen my fuselage by 2 inches), but I also learned a lot about how everything went together. So I had few problems when I started cutting the expensive wood. I also added simulated wing ribs and cabanes to see how much to increase cabane length (see attached). And when you are done with it the kids can use it for a sled or something. rick On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:56 PM, bcolleran wrote: > > Hey guys I am getting ready tomorrow to start the fuselage. Any tips? > > Also what is the 21 1/2" Measurment for on the top right side? > > Thanks, > > Bill > N424BK > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300979#300979 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0585_165.jpg > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Tips From: Ryan Mueller Another good reason to build a mockup: to check the fit of comely young lasses in the front cockpit. :P Ryan do not archive On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > I started fuselage construction building a mock fuselage out of scrap wood > (as recommended in the Bingelis books). Not only helped me figure out if I > wanted to change my seat back angle and increase turtle deck heights (and > widen my fuselage by 2 inches), but I also learned a lot about how > everything went together. So I had few problems when I started cutting the > expensive wood. > > I also added simulated wing ribs and cabanes to see how much to increase > cabane length (see attached). And when you are done with it the kids can use > it for a sled or something. > > rick > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:56 PM, bcolleran wrote: > >> >> Hey guys I am getting ready tomorrow to start the fuselage. Any tips? >> >> Also what is the 21 1/2" Measurment for on the top right side? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill >> N424BK >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300979#300979 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0585_165.jpg >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: making big parts small! From: "echobravo4" 900 plywood gussets on the wall, 900 plywood gussets.... :) do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301013#301013 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Tips From: "Kringle" Being new to this, I've been reading every post. I have even started to go back and read most of the old posts. I am about to order plans and am counting on you guys to help me out! -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301015#301015 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:23 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: making big parts small! I sanded my sheets of ply today, too. Waiting for the girls to wake up before I crank up the table saw and make 'em little... do not archive On 06/12/2010 03:24 PM, echobravo4 wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "echobravo4" > > 900 plywood gussets on the wall, 900 plywood gussets.... :) > > do not archive > > -------- > Earl Brown > > I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301013#301013 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: making big parts small! From: Ryan Mueller I've got a 10" bandsaw from Craftsman that was only used for gussets that would be a fine addition to your workshop. :P Ryan On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > I sanded my sheets of ply today, too. Waiting for the girls to wake up > before I crank up the table saw and make 'em little... > > do not archive > > > On 06/12/2010 03:24 PM, echobravo4 wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "echobravo4" >> >> 900 plywood gussets on the wall, 900 plywood gussets.... :) >> >> do not archive >> >> -------- >> Earl Brown >> >> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up >> where I intended to be. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301013#301013 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Tips From: Rick Holland No problemo John. Get those plans ordered and bring on the questions. You are about to begin a life-altering experience (some would call if a life-mutating experience). And try to make it to Brodhead if you can, its only a month and a half away, and you may even get a ride in a Piet. rick On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Kringle wrote: > > Being new to this, I've been reading every post. I have even started to go > back and read most of the old posts. I am about to order plans and am > counting on you guys to help me out! > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301015#301015 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: making big parts small! From: Rick Holland You did that in the correct order Dan. Like a dope I cut out many of my gussets without sanding and had to sand them individually. rick On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > I sanded my sheets of ply today, too. Waiting for the girls to wake up > before I crank up the table saw and make 'em little... > > do not archive > > > On 06/12/2010 03:24 PM, echobravo4 wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "echobravo4" >> >> 900 plywood gussets on the wall, 900 plywood gussets.... :) >> >> do not archive >> >> -------- >> Earl Brown >> >> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up >> where I intended to be. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301013#301013 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: making big parts small! From: "K5YAC" I did the same thing Rick... except my count was a little over 1000 pieces since I installed uprights in front and behind each spar, plus the additional uprights on the on the 6 end ribs. I probably would not install the uprights in front and behind each spar again. It seems to be a bit much, and they were a minor pain to slide onto the ribs. I think the single uprights (or maybe none at all as per the original plans) would probably be sufficient. I went through a dozen emery boards sanding each of those gussets before I glued them. A sanding block would have have required minimal effort. I'll remember that in the future. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301028#301028 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: making big parts small! From: Rick Holland Yes Mark, I tried sanding several of my 1/16" gussets on a disk sander (until a fair amount of my fingernails were sanded off). do not archive On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:34 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > I did the same thing Rick... except my count was a little over 1000 pieces > since I installed uprights in front and behind each spar, plus the > additional uprights on the on the 6 end ribs. I probably would not install > the uprights in front and behind each spar again. It seems to be a bit > much, and they were a minor pain to slide onto the ribs. I think the single > uprights (or maybe none at all as per the original plans) would probably be > sufficient. > > I went through a dozen emery boards sanding each of those gussets before I > glued them. A sanding block would have have required minimal effort. I'll > remember that in the future. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301028#301028 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:55 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Tips That's great news John, you came to the right place! Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 3:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Tips Being new to this, I've been reading every post. I have even started to go back and read most of the old posts. I am about to order plans and am counting on you guys to help me out! -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301015#301015 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:57 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0200 Hey Al, What prop are you going to use on the 0200? Douwe ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:45 PM PST US From: "ALAN LYSCARS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 0200 Douwe, I'll be using the 100hp Corvair along with whatever William Wynne recommends in wood. I'd love to hang a scimitar but I doubt it would be very efficient. Al Lyscars ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0200 > > > Hey Al, > > What prop are you going to use on the 0200? > > Douwe > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:31 PM PST US From: Al Bane Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 0200 Douwe, I don't know that yet. We're looking to "scrounge" one somewhere. Any suggestions? The original plane was heavy. In the 1994 Brodhead W&B measurements, it weighed in at 820 lbs. empty with the C-85. Al -----Original Message----- >From: Douwe Blumberg >Sent: Jun 12, 2010 9:43 PM >To: pietenpolgroup >Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0200 > > >Hey Al, > >What prop are you going to use on the 0200? > >Douwe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.