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1. 02:38 AM - re, plug wire test (John Theron)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Question for the West Coast Piet Infidels (Ben Charvet)
3. 04:59 AM - Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... (Dan Yocum)
4. 04:59 AM - Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... (Ben Charvet)
5. 05:29 AM - Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... (Jim Ash)
6. 05:47 AM - Question for the West Coast Piet Infidels (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 07:38 AM - Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... (Steve Ruse)
8. 10:38 AM - Re: Question for the West Coast Piet Infidels (Catdesigns)
9. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... (Ray Krause)
10. 12:12 PM - Re: Tough choices (Kringle)
11. 12:24 PM - Great trip to Oklahoma (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
12. 01:04 PM - Lower wing strut attachment (Doug Dever)
13. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Tough choices (Dan Yocum)
14. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Tough choices (Jeff Boatright)
15. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Tough choices (Ryan Mueller)
16. 03:14 PM - Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools (John Theron)
17. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Tough choices (Jeff Boatright)
18. 04:29 PM - Lower wing strut attachment (helspersew@aol.com)
19. 04:33 PM - Lower wing strut attachment (helspersew@aol.com)
20. 06:03 PM - Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools (coxwelljon)
21. 06:13 PM - Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools (flea)
22. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools (Jack Phillips)
23. 06:45 PM - Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools (K5YAC)
24. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools (Clif Dawson)
25. 06:58 PM - Re: Great trip to Oklahoma (K5YAC)
26. 07:12 PM - Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... (ldmill)
27. 07:24 PM - Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools (Jerry Dotson)
28. 07:25 PM - Re: Lower wing strut attachment (Doug Dever)
29. 08:04 PM - Re: Lower wing strut attachment (skellytown flyer)
30. 08:06 PM - Re: Great trip to Oklahoma (K5YAC)
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Subject: | re, plug wire test |
Mike
Simplest way to verify any spark plug wire is to continuity test them with
an Ohms meter. Just connect to each end and take a reading, copper core has
no resistance so should read zero Ohms, shielded wires generally read 5k per
foot of lead.
Regards
John (from England)
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Subject: | Re: Question for the West Coast Piet Infidels |
I'll be there! I'm bringing my wife this time and she made all the
reservations, so I will be staying in nicer accomodations than last time.
We are flying commercial, and should be in the area Thursday night. I sure
hope I can find a way to keep the wife happy and occupied. Maybe I can get
Pieti Lowell to take her up. Maybe he can show her an easier way to get in
the front seat (I don't have a door in mine) She has been up in my Piet 5
or 6 times, and really enjoys it. I'll have to print up some pictures of m
y
airplane to bring along, as I'm not brave enough to fly it up from Florida
yet.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> (and I use that term with reservations) You seem like a fun group of guy
s
> who like to needle each other and encourage each other=92s building
> efforts so I was wondering if we might get to meet any of you at Brodhead
> in a few weeks ?
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... |
"Ended in the grass"?!?? You're supposed to start in the grass (and
end, too).
Next your going to tell us you've got a radio installed in that
antique homebuilt aircraft.
It's a humbling experience. Glad it turned out for the best and
nothing was damaged (other than pride).
Dan
--
yocum@gmail.com
>
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Subject: | Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... |
I'll bet you don't take much ribbing by chapter members that actually fly
taildraggers. I've had a few exciting moments myself in my old Baby Ace.
Remember the other famous saying "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger"
(or smarter). Keep it in the grass and off the pavement until you get real
comfortable with it.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
3 groundloops behind me (no damage either)
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:13 PM, ldmill <lorin.miller@emerson.com> wrote:
>
> The old saying - "those that have, and those that are going to..." Yes, you
> know what I'm talking about (please don't make me utter the blasphemous
> words aloud), I successfully accomplished my first with the GN-1 tonight.
> Unfortunately, 3/4 of the EAA chapter were out flying also - and not the
> quiet 3/4 either. There was much discussion/threats afterwords about
> painting a circle on the side of the nose. At least they helped cleaning the
> grass out of the wheelpants...
>
> No damage, didn't hit anything, wing didn't dip or touch ground, tires
> didn't skid or slide, only did a nice easy 90 degree attention catching
> turn, and ended up in the grass.
>
> So now, all I can say is "been there - done that". NOT to be repeated
> again... That much luck only happens once.
>
> What a gorgeous night to fly though!
> Lorin
>
> --------
> Lorin Miller
> Waiex N81YX
> GN-1 N30PP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301500#301500
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... |
This is truly the perfect learning experience. Nobody got hurt, nothing got busted,
and you got rattled enough you'll remember this event for what it was.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net>
>Sent: Jun 16, 2010 11:33 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight...
>
>
>Congratulations Lorin,
>You have just had a learning opportunity successfully.
>Jim B.
>
>Jim Boyer
>Santa Rosa, CA
>Pietenpol on wheels
>Tail surfaces done
>Wing ribs done
>Corvair engine
>
>
>On Jun 16, 2010, ldmill <lorin.miller@emerson.com> wrote:
>
>
>The old saying - "those that have, and those that are going to..." Yes, you know
what I'm talking about (please don't make me utter the blasphemous words aloud),
I successfully accomplished my first with the GN-1 tonight. Unfortunately,
3/4 of the EAA chapter were out flying also - and not the quiet 3/4 either.
There was much discussion/threats afterwords about painting a circle on the side
of the nose. At least they helped cleaning the grass out of the wheelpants...
>
>No damage, didn't hit anything, wing didn't dip or touch ground, tires didn't
skid or slide, only did a nice easy 90 degree attention catching turn, and ended
up in the grass.
>
>So now, all I can say is "been there - done that". NOT to be repeated again...
That much luck only happens once.
>
>What a gorgeous night to fly though!
>Lorin
>
>--------
>Lorin Miller
>Waiex N81YX
>GN-1 N30PP
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301500#301500
>
>
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Subject: | Question for the West Coast Piet Infidels |
I think I'll go as Jim Markle this year. My hangar mate moved
out with his Zenith and all his tools and I need to re-stock
with new tools ;o)
But nahh.... Brodhead is not happening this year for me
(again), although I did pull all my charts and route planning
stuff out the other night and looked at it very longingly.
My wife knows what it's all about now, and she just leaves
the room when the big VFR planning map, pencil, and straightedge
come out onto the kitchen table. I have slightly adjusted
the route and one or two stops based on invitations to stay
overnight or stop for fuel, including new friends in Cedar
Rapids, Iowa. I have enough invitations and friends around
the country now that I could probably fly cross-country all
year long and never have to pay for a motel or a meal!
This is what Pietenpol Air Camping is all about ;o)
Oscar "Light Fingers" Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... |
Nothing got broke and there were witnesses?
I'd have claimed it was intentional as a demonstration for the
passenger, tout your aerial prowess and have to leave suddenly for a
prior appointment.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
do not archive
Quoting Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>:
>
> This is truly the perfect learning experience. Nobody got hurt,
> nothing got busted, and you got rattled enough you'll remember this
> event for what it was.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net>
>> Sent: Jun 16, 2010 11:33 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club
>> tonight...
>>
>>
>> Congratulations Lorin,
>> You have just had a learning opportunity successfully.
>> Jim B.
>>
>> Jim Boyer
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>> Pietenpol on wheels
>> Tail surfaces done
>> Wing ribs done
>> Corvair engine
>>
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2010, ldmill <lorin.miller@emerson.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The old saying - "those that have, and those that are going to..."
>> Yes, you know what I'm talking about (please don't make me utter
>> the blasphemous words aloud), I successfully accomplished my first
>> with the GN-1 tonight. Unfortunately, 3/4 of the EAA chapter were
>> out flying also - and not the quiet 3/4 either. There was much
>> discussion/threats afterwords about painting a circle on the side
>> of the nose. At least they helped cleaning the grass out of the
>> wheelpants...
>>
>> No damage, didn't hit anything, wing didn't dip or touch ground,
>> tires didn't skid or slide, only did a nice easy 90 degree
>> attention catching turn, and ended up in the grass.
>>
>> So now, all I can say is "been there - done that". NOT to be
>> repeated again... That much luck only happens once.
>>
>> What a gorgeous night to fly though!
>> Lorin
>>
>> --------
>> Lorin Miller
>> Waiex N81YX
>> GN-1 N30PP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301500#301500
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Subject: | Re: Question for the West Coast Piet Infidels |
I cant attend this year because I am afraid that with the huge budget deficit in
California I might have to pay a large reintegration fee to get back into California.
Fortunately, this will work in my favor as I need to use this time to build because
Gary Boothe seems to have committed the California group to flying our Pietenpols
to Brodhead in 2011 or 12, I cant remember the exact date. Given the
current state of completion of the California Pietenpols that I know of, it looks
like Mike Groah and his dad Vic will be the only ones who will easily make
it. Jim Boyer is cheating by getting his wonderful wife to help him so he might
make the deadline too. The rest of us have a lot of work to do. For instance
I have built a whole wing panel and Gary hasnt even completed another wing
rib. Given his lack of progress on the wing ribs, Im guessing he is secretly building
a clipped wing Pietenpol. Perhaps it will be something like a Monocupe
but with a crank snapping Corvair up front. How else can you explain his needing
only 18 wing ribs? Speaking of Corvairs, it seems that I am the only one
of the bunch using a real engine (A-75) so even if they do happen to get their
planes finished they will only get halfway there before something snaps. I will
probably be the only one to make it all the way.
So Mike to answer your REAL question, Yes it looks safe for you to attend Brodhead
this year as the riffraff from the west coast will not be there in mass.
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301574#301574
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Subject: | Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... |
You are making great progress! The fun part is about to begin.
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller@emerson.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club
tonight...
>
> Hi Ray! Nice to hear from you. The Waiex is pristine still. Fortunately it
> hasn't had an incident yet, otherwise my shop would be a horrendous
> mess...
>
> Just got panel back from powder coating and put it together. Bundling
> wiring right now - then cockpit is complete and off to cowling/windshield
> and canopy.
>
> --------
> Lorin Miller
> Waiex N81YX
> GN-1 N30PP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301510#301510
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Tough choices |
Okay, just got my plans and was anxious to start building the ribs. I "archived"
ribs and found that there has been much discussion on 612, 613.5 and the original.
If I told you I was going to go the ww corvair route what is the general
thoughts of which rib to build? Decisions, decisions!
--------
John
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301587#301587
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Subject: | Great trip to Oklahoma |
I was on the road once again and in advance of the trip was able to set up
arrangements with the inimitable Markle and Mark Chunard. Had a fine time
at Markle's with Pizza and Beer and lies, then had a chance to visit Mark.
He's doing some fine work in the Hanger, great set of wings done on the
bench high quality stuff and Brauts and Beer at his house doing a fine job in
the hospitality department too. I had a great time visiting with friends ad
seeing Marks progress and Markle's dust collector, sorry to say not much
progress unless you count the dust build up.
Always great to see them, hang out, tease and lie some in the great state
of Oklahoma. I got serious money that says Mark will in for his annual
before Markle sees air, no matter its not about the speed that one builds but
more about how badly one can bust the horns. I think got that maneuver
pretty well perfected.
In my own estimation a good time was had by all!
Thanks guys I really enjoyed the visit I would recommend a stop by in OK to
anyone to visit these guys good beer, good conversation and a great time.
John
Do not Archive.... is Markle listening?
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Subject: | Lower wing strut attachment |
I know I'm getting a little ahead of myself as I'm still building ribs. for
those that have not used steel struts how have you done the lower lift str
ut attachment so as to have the ability to ajust the length. Carlson airc
raft has some streamlined alum strut material very reasonable. But=2C you
cant weld a fork and barrel assy into them=2C of course. And the FAA PMA f
ork and barrel sets are hideously priced.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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Subject: | Re: Tough choices |
John,
As you can see from the archives, there's a lot of opinion here. Pieti
Lowell swears by the Riblett designs. A lot of people here are building
them recently. Some people have done airfoil analysis on them and
they're a bit better when it comes to climb. Also, they're taller so
you can get a bigger fuel tank in the center section and they *look*
like FC-10 ribs with the undercamber so, that's why I'm building Riblett
612 ribs.
Pieti gave a talk on the Riblett 612 ribs at last years Pietenpol
reunion. Jeff Boatright videoed the talk and posted it in 10 minute
segments on youtube. They are worth the time to view. Here's the first
one: http://www.youtube.com/user/jeffboatright#p/u/21/unvGPeYrc3o
If you're interested there are a few files in the airfoils yahoo group
files section that might be of interest to you, too:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/airfoil/files/
Of course, you can forgo all the hand-wringing and indecision and just
start building FC-10 ribs and you'll be perfectly happy with the results.
Cheers,
Dan
On 06/17/2010 02:11 PM, Kringle wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kringle"<Mrkringles@msn.com>
>
> Okay, just got my plans and was anxious to start building the ribs. I "archived"
ribs and found that there has been much discussion on 612, 613.5 and the
original. If I told you I was going to go the ww corvair route what is the general
thoughts of which rib to build? Decisions, decisions!
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Tough choices |
Sorry again about the shaky camera. Mosquitos and flies were involved...
>
>John,
>
>As you can see from the archives, there's a lot of opinion here.
>Pieti Lowell swears by the Riblett designs. A lot of people here
>are building them recently. Some people have done airfoil analysis
>on them and they're a bit better when it comes to climb. Also,
>they're taller so you can get a bigger fuel tank in the center
>section and they *look* like FC-10 ribs with the undercamber so,
>that's why I'm building Riblett 612 ribs.
>
>Pieti gave a talk on the Riblett 612 ribs at last years Pietenpol
>reunion. Jeff Boatright videoed the talk and posted it in 10 minute
>segments on youtube. They are worth the time to view. Here's the
>first one:
>http://www.youtube.com/user/jeffboatright#p/u/21/unvGPeYrc3o
>
>If you're interested there are a few files in the airfoils yahoo
>group files section that might be of interest to you, too:
>
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/airfoil/files/
>
>Of course, you can forgo all the hand-wringing and indecision and
>just start building FC-10 ribs and you'll be perfectly happy with
>the results.
>
>Cheers,
>Dan
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Tough choices |
Ah, those Wisconsin mosquitos...enough to make a Southern man go shaky in
the knees! :)
Ryan
do not archive
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> Sorry again about the shaky camera. Mosquitos and flies were involved...
>
>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> As you can see from the archives, there's a lot of opinion here. Pieti
>> Lowell swears by the Riblett designs. A lot of people here are building
>> them recently. Some people have done airfoil analysis on them and they're a
>> bit better when it comes to climb. Also, they're taller so you can get a
>> bigger fuel tank in the center section and they *look* like FC-10 ribs with
>> the undercamber so, that's why I'm building Riblett 612 ribs.
>>
>> Pieti gave a talk on the Riblett 612 ribs at last years Pietenpol reunion.
>> Jeff Boatright videoed the talk and posted it in 10 minute segments on
>> youtube. They are worth the time to view. Here's the first one:
>> http://www.youtube.com/user/jeffboatright#p/u/21/unvGPeYrc3o
>>
>> If you're interested there are a few files in the airfoils yahoo group
>> files section that might be of interest to you, too:
>>
>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/airfoil/files/
>>
>> Of course, you can forgo all the hand-wringing and indecision and just
>> start building FC-10 ribs and you'll be perfectly happy with the results.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dan
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
>
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Subject: | Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools |
Have been modifying a wooden venetian blind to fit a window opening today.
It made me think of the similarities to rib making and rib stitching.
1. Repetitive cutting of thin wood
2. Lacing the slats (stitching)
3. Personal qualities needed (patience/perseverance)
4. Fine cutting tools
>From this I have some questions relating to aircraft building:
1. Which is the more important quality, patience or perseverance (I have
more of the latter so swear often)
2. Is a hand saw better than power saws (band or circular)
3. How do you stop splintering in thin wood
4. Does splintering matter if slight
What are your opinions?
John T
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Subject: | Re: Tough choices |
It was all OK until one of them tried to wrestle me for the camera. He won.
>Ah, those Wisconsin mosquitos...enough to make a Southern man go
>shaky in the knees! :)
>
>Ryan
>
>do not archive
>
>On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Jeff Boatright
><<mailto:jboatri@emory.edu>jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
>
><<mailto:jboatri@emory.edu>jboatri@emory.edu>
>
>Sorry again about the shaky camera. Mosquitos and flies were involved...
>
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Lower wing strut attachment |
Hi Doug,
Wa-la (see attached photos). I used an aluminum insert 7075 alloy, threade
d to accept a J-3 fork (from Wag Aero $$$$$). Secure with two 1/4" bolts.
I am sure you could find a lower priced fork somewhere.
Disclaimer: Haven't flown behind it yet, but Larry Williams has something
very similar and is doing just fine.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 17, 2010 2:55 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachment
I know I'm getting a little ahead of myself as I'm still building ribs. fo
r those that have not used steel struts how have you done the lower lift
strut attachment so as to have the ability to ajust the length. Carlson
aircraft has some streamlined alum strut material very reasonable. But,
you cant weld a fork and barrel assy into them, of course. And the FAA
PMA fork and barrel sets are hideously priced.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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Subject: | Lower wing strut attachment |
Hi Doug,
Wa-la (see attached photos). I used an aluminum insert 7075 alloy, threade
d to accept a J-3 fork (from Wag Aero $$$$$). Secure with two 1/4" bolts.
I am sure you could find a lower priced fork somewhere.
Disclaimer: Haven't flown behind it yet, but Larry Williams has something
very similar and is doing just fine.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Sent: Thu, Jun 17, 2010 2:55 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachment
I know I'm getting a little ahead of myself as I'm still building ribs. fo
r those that have not used steel struts how have you done the lower lift
strut attachment so as to have the ability to ajust the length. Carlson
aircraft has some streamlined alum strut material very reasonable. But,
you cant weld a fork and barrel assy into them, of course. And the FAA
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Subject: | Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools |
>From this I have some questions relating to aircraft building:
1. Which is the more important quality, patience or perseverance (I have more
of the latter so swear often)
2. Is a hand saw better than power saws (band or circular)
3. How do you stop splintering in thin wood
4. Does splintering matter if slight
What are your opinions?
John,
My opinion is:
1- You need all three. My mother used to say to me, "patience is a wonderful virtue."
when I was ready to go off half cocked. She was right and patience leads
to perseverance which leads to quality. I think understanding the difference
between "good" , "excellent", and "perfect" in quality is also important.
Good is what I shoot for and excellent is what I get when everything is going
right. For me reaching for perfection only add to my frustration and sometimes
results in excellent being downgraded to good.
2- I like a good sharp, small hand saw, but my saw of choice is a power band saw with a good blade and an accurate fence. If you are cutting solid stock like cap strips or longerons get a "Woodslicer" resaw blade (band saw) from http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/woodslicer-resaw-bandsaw-blades.aspx. They are expensive but if you set them up as directed you will be very pleased. Almost no sanding needed as they cut so smooth and accurate. I use it for light plywood as well.
3- Splintering (in solid stock) will be solved by the above.
4- Slight splintering maters if you are shooting for "perfection"! If you are
using wood I doubt you can avoid it. Deep splintering may reduce strength.
My $0.02
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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Subject: | Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools |
Splintering can be minimized by sandwiching the piece between two pieces of scrap
and cutting through all three at the same time. Think of a piece of plywood,
is it possible to splinter the inner ply and not the outer? Make your work piece
the "inner ply" and thumb your nose at the splintered scrap on the "outer
plies."
A piece of masking tape along the cut line can also be used, it doesn't work as
well but can be easier to do depending on the saw used etc.
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Subject: | Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools |
Or just use Sitka Spruce and there will be no splintering, unless you are
using the utlimate handtool (a hatchet).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools
Splintering can be minimized by sandwiching the piece between two pieces of
scrap and cutting through all three at the same time. Think of a piece of
plywood, is it possible to splinter the inner ply and not the outer? Make
your work piece the "inner ply" and thumb your nose at the splintered scrap
on the "outer plies."
A piece of masking tape along the cut line can also be used, it doesn't work
as well but can be easier to do depending on the saw used etc.
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Subject: | Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools |
I can splinter Sitka. LOL! Higher tooth count and feed it slow.
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Subject: | Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools |
"Striving for excellence motivates you; striving for perfection is
demoralizing."
~ Harriet Braiker
Clif :-)
> My opinion is:
Good is what I shoot for and excellent is what I get when everything is
going right. For me reaching for perfection only add to my frustration and
sometimes results in excellent being downgraded to good.
coxwelljon
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Subject: | Re: Great trip to Oklahoma |
Is Markle listening? You know he is. Ha ha!
I had a great time seeing you, Jim and Coy too. Tyler had a great time at Markle's
driving that 1949 Ford 8N around... and playing with his chickens and stuff
too. We are looking forward to seeing the Markle clan in a couple of weeks
for the 4th of July extravaganza. Ought to be fun.
Hey, no pressure on the build (how much "serious money" are we talking about John?)...
I won't say that the wings were easy, but it was basically just a bunch
of the same steps over and over and over and, well, you get the point... lots
of little pieces, just a matter of mixing enough glue. I am studying the center
section now... not as easy as it looks at first glance. Definitely an order
to follow, not to mention that I hope to duplicate Mike Cuy's design and that
take a little more thought. Don't worry Jim, I've got a long way to go, but
I still look forward to joining up on your wing some morning as the sun breaks
over the trees and we point the props towards a stack of pancakes. Perhaps
if you clean that shop a little you could find your airplane. Yeah, I know,
that was bad... had to do it. Hey, the important thing is that you found a cooler
full of beer.
John (or anyone else)... you give a holler any time you are in this neck of the
woods and we'll ice the beer and fire up the coals. I sure did enjoy your visit...
kind of a Brodhead pre-game... we are ready for July!
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Subject: | Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... |
yea right... I've been married waaaay too long to try and bs my way out of situations
like that. I learned about that when trying to justify the 1972 Opel GT
she found stashed in the shed where the lawn mowers were... thought I was safe
on that one cause she refused to mow the yard...
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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Subject: | Re: Perseverance.Patience.Cutting Tools |
I sometimes use a hobby knife to score a mark instead of a pencil. That will take
care of splintering on one side of the sawblade. Back when building homes those
veneer doors had to be cut off an inch or so to clear the carpet....that
is the way I did it.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Lower wing strut attachment |
Dan=2C
Yours is one of the options I thought of. Questioned the strength of tappi
ng the Alum bar. Probably way more than we need though. In looking at the
West Coast Piet site I've noticed several that have no adjustment. If any
have not used a fork and have a fixed=2C bolted attachment=2C please chime
is as to how you did it so as not to need any method of adjusting. Those
forks are big bucks. But as I see it you might only need the rear strut to
adjust. That would cut the cost in half.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachment
From: helspersew@aol.com
Hi Doug=2C
Wa-la (see attached photos). I used an aluminum insert 7075 alloy=2C thread
ed to accept a J-3 fork (from Wag Aero $$$$$). Secure with two 1/4" bolts.
I am sure you could find a lower priced fork somewhere.
Disclaimer: Haven't flown behind it yet=2C but Larry Williams has something
very similar and is doing just fine.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu=2C Jun 17=2C 2010 2:55 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower wing strut attachment
I know I'm getting a little ahead of myself as I'm still building ribs. for
those that have not used steel struts how have you done the lower lift str
ut attachment so as to have the ability to ajust the length. Carlson airc
raft has some streamlined alum strut material very reasonable. But=2C you
cant weld a fork and barrel assy into them=2C of course. And the FAA PMA f
ork and barrel sets are hideously priced.
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In beautiful Stow Ohio
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Subject: | Re: Lower wing strut attachment |
Doug mine is the same except it has steel insert bars. no doubt some machine shop
made them up but the are very strong and very heavy.the only place I thought
there might be a weak point is that there are only 2 1/4" through bolts in the
aluminum strut. for my peace of mind I did what was done on the same setup
on a Rans S-12 I used to have. added a 4130 strap about 5/8" wide and I think
.065 thick on top and bottom- picked up the 2 bolts and far enough along the strut
tube to install 3 3/16" stainless steel pop rivets. no doubt I'll be told
and was that this is over kill and not needed. but it gave me a warm fuzzy feeling
since the aluminum is probably a fair amount weaker than steel strut tube
and the plane is definitely quite a bit heavier than the Rans and I am pretty
sure as many as they sold they did some kind of analysis.if I hadn't gotten
the plane with the struts included I would have done some searching for someone
that had changed out their Piper struts for new sealed struts to eliminate
the repetitive inspections required. and cut the ends off them and fabricate once
I determined they were sound. there are hundreds of Shortwing Pipers out there
with new struts. I had contacted a friend that was in the Shortwing Piper
group and there were several guys willing to sell their old struts but that was
a couple years ago and I have lost the names. Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Great trip to Oklahoma |
I forgot... I have evidence!
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