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1. 12:58 AM - Revarnish? (VanDy)
2. 05:40 AM - Re: More taxiing, tail lift-off, NX929DH report (Tim Willis)
3. 05:56 AM - Re: Revarnish? (Dan Yocum)
4. 08:47 AM - Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas (dog67@aol.com)
5. 09:25 AM - Re: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas (Jeff Boatright)
6. 09:44 AM - Re: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas (Dan Yocum)
7. 10:56 AM - Re: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas (Jack)
8. 11:02 AM - Dan's cruise speed (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
9. 11:55 AM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Jeff Boatright)
10. 12:07 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Dan Yocum)
11. 12:13 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
12. 01:10 PM - Re: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas (Dog67@aol.com)
13. 02:05 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Dan Yocum)
14. 02:56 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
15. 02:56 PM - planning for Brodhead (Dan Yocum)
16. 02:57 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Jeff Boatright)
17. 03:06 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (gcardinal)
18. 03:26 PM - Re: Skipp, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering (V Groah)
19. 03:40 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (Ryan Mueller)
20. 05:16 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (Kringle)
21. 05:18 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (Kringle)
22. 05:44 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (Ernie Moreno)
23. 05:48 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Dan Yocum)
24. 05:53 PM - Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (helspersew@aol.com)
25. 06:07 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Gary Boothe)
26. 06:08 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (John Recine)
27. 06:10 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (Jim Markle)
28. 06:12 PM - Curious (John Recine)
29. 06:26 PM - Model A Piet on Barnstormers (not mine) (Wayne Bressler)
30. 06:31 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (Paul N. Peckham)
31. 06:35 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (Ben Charvet)
32. 06:35 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (Kringle)
33. 06:45 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (Rick Holland)
34. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: planning for Brodhead (Rick Holland)
35. 06:53 PM - FCC bans 121.5 ELTs (Paul N. Peckham)
36. 07:36 PM - Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs (John Recine)
37. 07:38 PM - Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs (shad bell)
38. 07:39 PM - Re: Skip, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering (Skip Gadd)
39. 07:39 PM - Re: Skip, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering (Skip Gadd)
40. 07:39 PM - ohio waco fly-in (shad bell)
41. 07:50 PM - Re: Curious (Kringle)
42. 08:01 PM - Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs (Dan Yocum)
43. 08:04 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (Jack Phillips)
44. 08:10 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (K5YAC)
45. 08:55 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (Jim Markle)
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| Subject: | Re: Dan's cruise speed |
First liar doesn't stand a chance!
:-D
do not archive
On 06/21/2010 01:46 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:
>
> He didn't burden us with the additional (and critical) information:
>
> "And I can do 88.5mph with 3 cylinders.....POINTED STRAIGHT DOWN!"
>
>> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>>
>> Dan Yocum wrote: "And I can do 88.5mph with 3 cylinders....."
>>
>>
>> Bragger:)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Dan's cruise speed |
Well thank you Jeff-- that explains Dan's blazing cruise speed and comforts my
sad spirit
about only cruising at 72 mph.
When I went from a Champ (87 mph) to the Piet whenever I would fly the Champ again
I would
be impressed with 'how fast' it was !
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas |
The Glastar stalls at around 41 knots
Am all up for trying to get as slow as possible :)
Cheers
Jon
In a message dated 6/21/2010 11:57:54 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
jack@textors.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
I would be glad to "observe"... :)
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
hi all
I'm planning on making it to Brodhead this year in my "plastic"
airplane (glastar).
a friend of mine who is a prof aviation photographer us coming along,
and is looking to get some shots. I was thinking of taking the doors
off the glastar, and hoping to get some air-to-air shots - if people
are interested.
any takers?
thanks
Jonathan Apfelbaum (yellow glastar taildragger)
-----Original Message-----
From: lorin.miller@emerson.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 10:45 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club
tonight...
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "ldmill"
<lorin.miller@emerson.com>
Okay, I spent almost 2 hours last evening doing nothing but full stop
landings.
Lesson learned for me - I work best doing wheel landings on concrete
keeping a
tad bit of throttle on till tires are on the ground. Once the tail
drops to the
ground - no rudder authority, only the tailwheel and brakes to keep her
straight.
Amazing, after more than a dozen full stop landings with nary a glitch,
I went
back to the hanger - most of the same story tellers were around - but
it
appeared that nobody was even watching...
As I'm feeling this plane out, getting a better idea of performance.
With the
climb prop on, she gets to pattern altitude pretty quick. That being
said -
cruise at 2350 rpm gives me an indicated airspeed of 83-85 mph. WOT
shows a
little over 90 and 2550 rpm. I like this Continental A-75! Fresh
overhall two
years ago, 50 hours on it now, and compressions are testing at 78/80
across the
board.
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301871#301871
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| Subject: | Re: Dan's cruise speed |
OK, I have to admit that I don't actually cruise at 88.5mph. That's
what I get when the throttle is wide open. I generally crank her back
and cruise at around 70mph at about 1800rpm.
Mike - what rpm setting do you "cruise" at?
Dan
do not archive
On 06/21/2010 02:11 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation]"<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> Well thank you Jeff-- that explains Dan's blazing cruise speed and comforts my
sad spirit
> about only cruising at 72 mph.
>
> When I went from a Champ (87 mph) to the Piet whenever I would fly the Champ
again I would
> be impressed with 'how fast' it was !
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Dan's cruise speed |
My static full power rpm with a 72"-42 pitch wood prop on my A-65 is 2150 and that
is what I cruise
at which yields about 72 mph. Haven't checked full throttle operation but Jack
Phillips and I were
at advanced throttle settings when we entered the arrival procedure over Ripon,
WI for the FISK approach.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | planning for Brodhead |
All,
I'm making my list of things to bring to Brodhead. I'll be camping at
the field and I'm wondering, what do ya'll generally do for breakfast?
Should I pack the micro-burner, white gas, and a coffee pot? Or do you
guys hoof down the road for breakfast?
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Dan's cruise speed |
Dang! Those are pretty good numbers. Solo flight at 1800 rpm would
just barely keep me in the air, maybe 50 mph. I don't see 70 mph
until I'm up around 2250-2300 rpm. What is your empty weight? Ours is
723 lbs. I weigh 180. With about 10 gal of fuel, that puts the flying
weight at about 963 lbs. Maybe your plane is very light, and I'm sure
that you weigh less than me. But I'm envious - 70 mph at 1800 rpm.
You must just be sipping fuel at that power setting.
>
>OK, I have to admit that I don't actually cruise at 88.5mph. That's
>what I get when the throttle is wide open. I generally crank her
>back and cruise at around 70mph at about 1800rpm.
>
>Mike - what rpm setting do you "cruise" at?
>
>Dan
>
>do not archive
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: planning for Brodhead |
The local Lion's Club usually does pancakes and sausage at the airport for
breakfast. McDonald's is within walking distance and if you can hitch a ride
into downtown Brodhead you can find a few cafe's that do a decent breakfast.
4 weeks and counting......
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: planning for Brodhead
>
> All,
>
> I'm making my list of things to bring to Brodhead. I'll be camping at the
> field and I'm wondering, what do ya'll generally do for breakfast? Should
> I pack the micro-burner, white gas, and a coffee pot? Or do you guys hoof
> down the road for breakfast?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Skipp, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering |
It is nice to see you guys having fun with the toys. I hope the Ohio event
was as good as the west coast event=2C and I am sure it was. Do to many o
bligations not all of us can make the big one in the north east. These reg
ional meets may be the answer for us. I hope they expand and flourish.
We have fun and learn a lot from each other. Keep up the good work. Hope
to see many of you next year at the west coast meet.
Vic Groah NX414MV do not archive
> From: jholmes8@centurylink.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Skipp=2C Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering
> Date: Sun=2C 20 Jun 2010 20:09:29 -0400
>
> Shad=2C
> I got a few of you and Skip (Sorry I didn't get any of Ed's piet). Wish I
> could have stayed longer=2C I hate it when work gets in the way of a good
> time. I compressed these for e-mail. I have a few others as well so if yo
u
> want the full size version or all of the ones I took=2C just let me know
and I
> will send them to your e-mail address.
> Thanks for hosting=2C
> Jason Holmes
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
> Sent: Sunday=2C June 20=2C 2010 7:34 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skipp=2C Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering
>
>
> Skipp=2C Did you get the email with photos of the piet gathering? I was
> wondering if you could post them on the list=2C my computer is still not
> fixed=2C or I would do it myself. I would love to see any photos that any
of
> you in attendance might have taken. Post them on the list or email me.
> Next week it is the big WACO fly-in at Wynkoop Airport in Mount Vernon. T
he
> last I heard=2C Brian Wynkoop said it was ok for the piets to fly in. Las
t
> year there was a waco only fly in rule=2C notam=2C or something.
>
> Shad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: planning for Brodhead |
If you can find a ride or don't mind a little walk the Sand Burr is just to
the southeast, about a mile away. Pretty decent family restaurant fare.
Airport Rd south to Halfway Tree, Halfway Tree east to T, and make a right
on T.
Ryan
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:07 PM, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> The local Lion's Club usually does pancakes and sausage at the airport for
> breakfast. McDonald's is within walking distance and if you can hitch a ride
> into downtown Brodhead you can find a few cafe's that do a decent breakfast.
>
> 4 weeks and counting......
>
> Greg C.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:16 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: planning for Brodhead
>
>
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I'm making my list of things to bring to Brodhead. I'll be camping at the
>> field and I'm wondering, what do ya'll generally do for breakfast? Should I
>> pack the micro-burner, white gas, and a coffee pot? Or do you guys hoof
>> down the road for breakfast?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: planning for Brodhead |
I plan on pulling my camper. I understand they allow me to pull it on the field.
Are we allowed to run generators?
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: planning for Brodhead |
I plan on pulling my camper. I understand they allow me to pull it on the field.
Are we allowed to run generators?
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: planning for Brodhead |
I camp at Brodhead and eat at camp. Also macd down the road about a mile.
Ernie Moreno
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 2:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: planning for Brodhead
>
> All,
>
> I'm making my list of things to bring to Brodhead. I'll be camping at
> the field and I'm wondering, what do ya'll generally do for breakfast?
> Should I pack the micro-burner, white gas, and a coffee pot? Or do you
> guys hoof down the road for breakfast?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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11:36:00
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| Subject: | Re: Dan's cruise speed |
It's got to be the 74x42 met-l-prop N8031 came with. They're more
efficient.
She's 710lbs and I'm 170. With 16.5gal of fuel we're at about 1000
give or take. I'm sure my fuel burn will be better with all cylinders
firing.
Dan
--
yocum@gmail.com
On Jun 21, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
> >
>
> Dang! Those are pretty good numbers. Solo flight at 1800 rpm would
> just barely keep me in the air, maybe 50 mph. I don't see 70 mph
> until I'm up around 2250-2300 rpm. What is your empty weight? Ours
> is 723 lbs. I weigh 180. With about 10 gal of fuel, that puts the
> flying weight at about 963 lbs. Maybe your plane is very light, and
> I'm sure that you weigh less than me. But I'm envious - 70 mph at
> 1800 rpm. You must just be sipping fuel at that power setting.
>
>
>>
>> OK, I have to admit that I don't actually cruise at 88.5mph.
>> That's what I get when the throttle is wide open. I generally
>> crank her back and cruise at around 70mph at about 1800rpm.
>>
>> Mike - what rpm setting do you "cruise" at?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> do not archive
>
>
> --
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
>
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| Subject: | Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! |
Hello all,
Well today the DAR showed-up at about 10 am. Long story short, is that I
have my brand new Special Airworthiness Certificate. Everything went smoo
th for the most part, and only a few very minor squawks. The DAR made note
of the squawks in the log book, to be taken care of before any passenger
flight. So my plan is to get some more taxi time in, to learn the ground
handling of this bird a little better, and get used to the rudder bar a
bit better. I Figured out that during taxiing, if I put my heels on the
rudder bar, I can reach the brake pedals just fine. My 1" wide band brake
s give me about as much braking power as I expected- minimal. But I knew
that going in, and need them so I don't roll into the gas pumps etc.
Also there has been some talk on this list about the legality of carrying
a passenger in the "test phase" of flight (first 40 hours). He said this
is strictly prohibited, and would only be approved in special cases such
as a Boeing 727 experimental, where the designer made the airplane to req
uire extra people to operate it. My Airworthiness Certificate section "E"
, says "operating limitations dated 6-21-10 are a part of this certificate
" On my accompanying operating limitation (that the DAR gave me) it specif
ically says that "During the flight test phase, no person may be carried
in this aircraft during flight". Pretty definitive.
So maybe by Saturday I will feel confident enough to fly. One thing I real
ly need to be aware of is the limited forward visibility in this airplane
(with the radiator). Yesterday, I actually went off into the corner of th
e hay field about 10 feet during one of my higher speed runs. Woke me up
but good!!.
So I will keep you all posted on any progress going forward.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Dan's cruise speed |
I heard Dan uses a hi-wazoo wax...like at Reno Races...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
19 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan's cruise speed
It's got to be the 74x42 met-l-prop N8031 came with. They're more
efficient.
She's 710lbs and I'm 170. With 16.5gal of fuel we're at about 1000
give or take. I'm sure my fuel burn will be better with all cylinders
firing.
Dan
--
yocum@gmail.com
On Jun 21, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
> >
>
> Dang! Those are pretty good numbers. Solo flight at 1800 rpm would
> just barely keep me in the air, maybe 50 mph. I don't see 70 mph
> until I'm up around 2250-2300 rpm. What is your empty weight? Ours
> is 723 lbs. I weigh 180. With about 10 gal of fuel, that puts the
> flying weight at about 963 lbs. Maybe your plane is very light, and
> I'm sure that you weigh less than me. But I'm envious - 70 mph at
> 1800 rpm. You must just be sipping fuel at that power setting.
>
>
>>
>> OK, I have to admit that I don't actually cruise at 88.5mph.
>> That's what I get when the throttle is wide open. I generally
>> crank her back and cruise at around 70mph at about 1800rpm.
>>
>> Mike - what rpm setting do you "cruise" at?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> do not archive
>
>
> --
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! |
Congrats Dan!!! This is very exciting.
Interesting note about carrying passengers. I didn't realize that had been a recent
discussion on the list.
I heard of one Pietenpol builder that crashed his Piet during one take off....at
about hour number 10 or 11 during his initial flights...and his passenger's
shoulder harness ripped big holes in the back of the seat. He had just lifted
off so it wasn't life threatening. Still scary.
And every time I hear of someone wanting to take up a passenger (I know you don't
plan on it) I remember that person's flight...and how horrible it would have
been to have had a really serious accident during the fly off time (or any time
for that matter).
Anyway, sorry to go on a rant. Mainly, VERY cool about your progress! I'm sure
hoping to get to Brodhead and it would be neat to see YOU fly in!
>From beautiful Hannibal Missouri, JM
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Jun 21, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!!
Hello all,
Well today the DAR showed-up at about 10 am. Long story short, is that I have my
brand new Special Airworthiness Certificate. Everything went smooth for the
most part, and only a few very minor squawks. The DAR made note of the squawks
in the log book, to be taken care of before any passenger flight. So my plan
is to get some more taxi time in, to learn the ground handling of this bird a
little better, and get used to the rudder bar a bit better. I Figured out that
during taxiing, if I put my heels on the rudder bar, I can reach the brake pedals
just fine. My 1" wide band brakes give me about as much braking power as
I expected- minimal. But I knew that going in, and need them so I don't roll into
the gas pumps etc.
Also there has been some talk on this list about the legality of carrying a passenger
in the "test phase" of flight (first 40 hours). He said this is strictly
prohibited, and would only be approved in special cases such as a Boeing 727
experimental, where the designer made the airplane to require extra people to
operate it. My Airworthiness Certificate section "E", says "operating limitations
dated 6-21-10 are a part of this certificate" On my accompanying operating
limitation (that the DAR gave me) it specifically says that "During the flight
test phase, no person may be carried in this aircraft during flight". Pretty
definitive.
So maybe by Saturday I will feel confident enough to fly. One thing I really need
to be aware of is the limited forward visibility in this airplane (with the
radiator). Yesterday, I actually went off into the corner of the hay field about
10 feet during one of my higher speed runs. Woke me up but good!!.
So I will keep you all posted on any progress going forward.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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How many first time piets will be coming to brodhead as either new builds or new
family members or both?
Seems to me at least 3 maybe more. I think it would be a fitting gesture to get
video of firsts as they land and take their rightful place in the ranks of the
ones that have come before them parked on the flight line.
Just another hair brain idea from someone loosing much the hair and even more
of the brain. Like having ones shirt cut on first solo the right of passage for
an accomplished builder or owner.
John
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| Subject: | Model A Piet on Barnstormers (not mine) |
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I saw this and thought I'd share. It sure is pretty! Wish I had an
extra $14k!
Wayne Bressler Jr.
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| Subject: | Re: planning for Brodhead |
John,
>From what I recall, the guys with the generators are usually segregated off to
a certain area, so they can listen to each other's generator thru out the night.
: ) I would just ask where they want you when you get there. But yeah,
they do allow them.
Open invitation to you other guys on foot..........If you need a lift into town,
just look me up. Red Jeep Wrangler next to a popup. We usually park a little
north and east of the pavilion. And if I'm not going, you can take the Jeep........
as long as you come back!
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! |
Congratulations on your exciting day. My Phase 1 was only 25 hours, and
I took my first passenger (my wife) with I think 25.1 hours in the
logbook. The most nervous flight in Phase 1 was the one with 200 pounds
of steel strapped to the passenger seat when I loaded the airplane up to
full gross to satisfy that part of Phase 1. I missed flying to
Sun-N-Fun because the weather wouldn't cooperate enough for me to fly
off the last hour of Phase 1. I plan to enjoy my Pietenpol for a long
time, and think the rules about phase 1 are a good idea. I was anxious
to take my wife up on her first flight, and that gave me an excuse to
fly a lot more than usual. Enjoy, you will be flying before you know
it. Just be sure to pre-flight and start every taxi test with plenty of
fuel in the tank, just in case you end up flying.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Flying commercial to Brodhead, via Milwaukee
On 6/21/2010 8:49 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Hello all,
> Well today the DAR showed-up at about 10 am. Long story short, is that
> I have my brand new Special Airworthiness Certificate. Everything went
> smooth for the most part, and only a few very minor squawks. The DAR
> made note of the squawks in the log book, to be taken care of before
> any passenger flight. So my plan is to get some more taxi time in, to
> learn the ground handling of this bird a little better, and get used
> to the rudder bar a bit better. I Figured out that during taxiing, if
> I put my heels on the rudder bar, I can reach the brake pedals just
> fine. My 1" wide band brakes give me about as much braking power as I
> expected- minimal. But I knew that going in, and need them so I don't
> roll into the gas pumps etc.
> Also there has been some talk on this list about the legality of
> carrying a passenger in the "test phase" of flight (first 40 hours).
> He said this is strictly prohibited, and would only be approved in
> special cases such as a Boeing 727 experimental, where the designer
> made the airplane to require extra people to operate it. My
> Airworthiness Certificate section "E", says "operating limitations
> dated 6-21-10 are a part of this certificate" On my accompanying
> operating limitation (that the DAR gave me) it specifically says that
> "During the flight test phase, no person may be carried in this
> aircraft during flight". Pretty definitive.
> So maybe by Saturday I will feel confident enough to fly. One thing I
> really need to be aware of is the limited forward visibility in this
> airplane (with the radiator). Yesterday, I actually went off into the
> corner of the hay field about 10 feet during one of my higher speed
> runs. Woke me up but good!!.
> So I will keep you all posted on any progress going forward.
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: planning for Brodhead |
I suppose wifi is out of the question?
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! |
> jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> I'm sure hoping to get to Brodhead and it would be neat to see YOU fly
> in!
>
>
You better be at Broadhead Markle, or we'll come find you!
Rick
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: planning for Brodhead |
BYOBBA. (bring your own broadband antenna).
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
> I suppose wifi is out of the question?
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301986#301986
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | FCC bans 121.5 ELTs |
This just came in a AVwebAlert email. I guess we're having too much fun, and federal
government can't allow that. I could say more, but the proper words needed
to describe this FCC action are not printable.
Paul
FCC BANS 121.5 ELTS
The Federal Communications Commission took the general aviation world by surprise
when it said in a recent report it will prohibit the sale or use of 121.5 MHz
emergency locator transmitters, effective in August. The Aircraft Electronics
Association said it just learned of the new rule today, and has begun working
with the FAA, FCC and others to allow for timely compliance without grounding
thousands of general aviation aircraft. The 121.5 ELTs are allowed under FAA
rules. The FCC said its rules have been amended to "prohibit further certification,
manufacture, importation, sale or use of 121.5 MHz ELTs." The FCC says
that if the 121.5 units are no longer available, aircraft owners and operators
will "migrate" to the newer 406.0-406.1 MHz ELTs, which are monitored by satellite,
while the 121.5 frequency is not. "Were we to permit continued marketing
and use of 121.5 MHz ELTs ... it would engender the risk that aircraft owners
and operators would mistakenly rely on those ELTs for the relay of distress
alerts," the FCC says. AOPA said today it is opposed to the rule change.
"The FCC is making a regulatory change that would impose an extra cost on GA operators,
without properly communicating with the industry or understanding the
implications of its action," said AOPA Vice President of Regulatory Affairs Rob
Hackman. "There is no FAA requirement to replace 121.5 MHz units with 406 MHz
technology. When two government agencies don't coordinate, GA can suffer."
The AEA said dealers should refrain from selling any new 121.5 MHz ELTs "until
further understanding of this new prohibition can be understood and a realistic
timeline for transition can be established."
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| Subject: | Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs |
Once again our tax dollars are hard at work!
Do not archive
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9@countryspeed.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs
This just came in a AVwebAlert email. I guess we're having too much fun, and federal
government can't allow that. I could say more, but the proper words needed
to describe this FCC action are not printable.
Paul
FCC BANS 121.5 ELTS
The Federal Communications Commission took the general aviation world by surprise
when it said in a recent report it will prohibit the sale or use of 121.5 MHz
emergency locator transmitters, effective in August. The Aircraft Electronics
Association said it just learned of the new rule today, and has begun working
with the FAA, FCC and others to allow for timely compliance without grounding
thousands of general aviation aircraft. The 121.5 ELTs are allowed under FAA
rules. The FCC said its rules have been amended to "prohibit further certification,
manufacture, importation, sale or use of 121.5 MHz ELTs." The FCC says
that if the 121.5 units are no longer available, aircraft owners and operators
will "migrate" to the newer 406.0-406.1 MHz ELTs, which are monitored by satellite,
while the 121.5 frequency is not. "Were we to permit continued marketing
and use of 121.5 MHz ELTs ... it would engender the risk that aircraft owners
and operators would mistakenly rely on those ELTs!
for the relay of distress alerts," the FCC says. AOPA said today it is opposed
to the rule change.
"The FCC is making a regulatory change that would impose an extra cost on GA operators,
without properly communicating with the industry or understanding the
implications of its action," said AOPA Vice President of Regulatory Affairs Rob
Hackman. "There is no FAA requirement to replace 121.5 MHz units with 406 MHz
technology. When two government agencies don't coordinate, GA can suffer."
The AEA said dealers should refrain from selling any new 121.5 MHz ELTs "until
further understanding of this new prohibition can be understood and a realistic
timeline for transition can be established."
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs |
Good, I can take the damn thing out throw it from 2000 feet into a field and see
if they find it. It weighs too much, doesn't look good, needs an antena, and
won't do didly to save my life here in the midwest any how. Just don't expect
me to actually buy a new one and put it in.
Shad
Must be another part of the stimulus plan from a "great" regime..., I mean administration
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| Subject: | Skip, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering |
Shad, Got all the pictures from your dad. Here are some.
Thanks for organizing the Piet gathering, hope it can be an annual event.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/20/2010 7:40:20 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skip, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering
>
>
> Skip, Did you get the email with photos of the piet gathering? I was
wondering if you could post them on the list, my computer is still not
fixed, or I would do it myself. I would love to see any photos that any of
you in attendance might have taken. Post them on the list or email me.
Next week it is the big WACO fly-in at Wynkoop Airport in Mount Vernon.
The last I heard, Brian Wynkoop said it was ok for the piets to fly in.
Last year there was a waco only fly in rule, notam, or something.
>
> Shad
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| Subject: | Skip, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering |
Shad, Got all the pictures from your dad. Here are some.
Thanks for organizing the Piet gathering, hope it can be an annual event.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/20/2010 7:40:20 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skip, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering
>
>
> Skip, Did you get the email with photos of the piet gathering? I was
wondering if you could post them on the list, my computer is still not
fixed, or I would do it myself. I would love to see any photos that any of
you in attendance might have taken. Post them on the list or email me.
Next week it is the big WACO fly-in at Wynkoop Airport in Mount Vernon.
The last I heard, Brian Wynkoop said it was ok for the piets to fly in.
Last year there was a waco only fly in rule, notam, or something.
>
> Shad
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| Subject: | ohio waco fly-in |
Group, Skipp, Ed, Mike, Don etc etc, I went over to Wynkoop airport to ask if
we could fly our piets in on saturday, and the answer is NO! Brian said the field
is closed for the waco club, and only waco assn. members are supposed to
fly in. I got yelled at last year by the golf cart nazi for flying over on a
thurs evening (Brian told them I was OK to be there so no further scuffle took
place), when only 5-6 waco were there. So in short don't land at there fly-in
this saturday the 26th. However if any of you want to ride over in the back
of dad's 1932 1 ton stakebed truck be at my hanger by 10am on sat (it is about
a 20 min drive). If anyone is interested let me know, if not I might look
for another fly-in.
Shad
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Do any "projects" show up? I would like to see some Piets in the construction
phase.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs |
Well, of course they did: I just bought a new battery for my ELT.
Holy crap! The cheapest new one at ACS is $759!!!
<grumble>
Do not archive
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On Jun 21, 2010, at 8:51 PM, "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9@countryspeed.com
> wrote:
> >
>
> This just came in a AVwebAlert email. I guess we're having too much
> fun, and federal government can't allow that. I could say more, but
> the proper words needed to describe this FCC action are not printable.
>
> Paul
>
>
> FCC BANS 121.5 ELTS
>
>
> The Federal Communications Commission took the general aviation
> world by surprise when it said in a recent report it will prohibit
> the sale or use of 121.5 MHz emergency locator transmitters,
> effective in August. The Aircraft Electronics Association said it
> just learned of the new rule today, and has begun working with the
> FAA, FCC and others to allow for timely compliance without grounding
> thousands of general aviation aircraft. The 121.5 ELTs are allowed
> under FAA rules. The FCC said its rules have been amended to
> "prohibit further certification, manufacture, importation, sale or
> use of 121.5 MHz ELTs." The FCC says that if the 121.5 units are no
> longer available, aircraft owners and operators will "migrate" to
> the newer 406.0-406.1 MHz ELTs, which are monitored by satellite,
> while the 121.5 frequency is not. "Were we to permit continued
> marketing and use of 121.5 MHz ELTs ... it would engender the risk
> that aircraft owners and operators would mistakenly rely on those
> ELTs!
> for the relay of distress alerts," the FCC says. AOPA said today it
> is opposed to the rule change.
>
> "The FCC is making a regulatory change that would impose an extra
> cost on GA operators, without properly communicating with the
> industry or understanding the implications of its action," said AOPA
> Vice President of Regulatory Affairs Rob Hackman. "There is no FAA
> requirement to replace 121.5 MHz units with 406 MHz technology. When
> two government agencies don't coordinate, GA can suffer." The AEA
> said dealers should refrain from selling any new 121.5 MHz ELTs
> "until further understanding of this new prohibition can be
> understood and a realistic timeline for transition can be
> established."
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301991#301991
>
>
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| Subject: | Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! |
Congratualtions, Dan! Why wait until Saturday?
Looking forward to seeing it at Brodhead in a month.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!!
Hello all,
Well today the DAR showed-up at about 10 am. Long story short, is that I
have my brand new Special Airworthiness Certificate. Everything went smooth
for the most part, and only a few very minor squawks. The DAR made note of
the squawks in the log book, to be taken care of before any passenger
flight. So my plan is to get some more taxi time in, to learn the ground
handling of this bird a little better, and get used to the rudder bar a bit
better. I Figured out that during taxiing, if I put my heels on the rudder
bar, I can reach the brake pedals just fine. My 1" wide band brakes give me
about as much braking power as I expected- minimal. But I knew that going
in, and need them so I don't roll into the gas pumps etc.
Also there has been some talk on this list about the legality of carrying a
passenger in the "test phase" of flight (first 40 hours). He said this is
strictly prohibited, and would only be approved in special cases such as a
Boeing 727 experimental, where the designer made the airplane to require
extra people to operate it. My Airworthiness Certificate section "E", says
"operating limitations dated 6-21-10 are a part of this certificate" On my
accompanying operating limitation (that the DAR gave me) it specifically
says that "During the flight test phase, no person may be carried in this
aircraft during flight". Pretty definitive.
So maybe by Saturday I will feel confident enough to fly. One thing I really
need to be aware of is the limited forward visibility in this airplane (with
the radiator). Yesterday, I actually went off into the corner of the hay
field about 10 feet during one of my higher speed runs. Woke me up but
good!!.
So I will keep you all posted on any progress going forward.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! |
Congratulations Dan! Please keep us posted on your progress.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! |
HA! Well Rick, I usually can't hide from anyone so you probably won't need to
come find me! I just got assigned to a job in Chattanooga TN the week after Brodhead
so I'm hoping I can do a flight through Chicago....that would put me there
for at least a day at Brodhead...
I'm hoping I can make the trip happen. All the new Piets this year...I want to
sit at the end of the runway and take videos again....talk about MOTIVATING!!!
I can just hardly wait to see the new Air Campers....
I'm ready to "be there" and stop "talking about" being there....
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: Jun 21, 2010 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!!
I'm sure hoping to get to Brodhead and it would be neat to see YOU fly in!
You better be at Broadhead Markle, or we'll come find you!
Rick
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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