---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/21/10: 45 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:58 AM - Revarnish? (VanDy) 2. 05:40 AM - Re: More taxiing, tail lift-off, NX929DH report (Tim Willis) 3. 05:56 AM - Re: Revarnish? (Dan Yocum) 4. 08:47 AM - Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas (dog67@aol.com) 5. 09:25 AM - Re: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas (Jeff Boatright) 6. 09:44 AM - Re: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas (Dan Yocum) 7. 10:56 AM - Re: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas (Jack) 8. 11:02 AM - Dan's cruise speed (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 9. 11:55 AM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Jeff Boatright) 10. 12:07 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Dan Yocum) 11. 12:13 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 12. 01:10 PM - Re: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas (Dog67@aol.com) 13. 02:05 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Dan Yocum) 14. 02:56 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 15. 02:56 PM - planning for Brodhead (Dan Yocum) 16. 02:57 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Jeff Boatright) 17. 03:06 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (gcardinal) 18. 03:26 PM - Re: Skipp, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering (V Groah) 19. 03:40 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (Ryan Mueller) 20. 05:16 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (Kringle) 21. 05:18 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (Kringle) 22. 05:44 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (Ernie Moreno) 23. 05:48 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Dan Yocum) 24. 05:53 PM - Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (helspersew@aol.com) 25. 06:07 PM - Re: Dan's cruise speed (Gary Boothe) 26. 06:08 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (John Recine) 27. 06:10 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (Jim Markle) 28. 06:12 PM - Curious (John Recine) 29. 06:26 PM - Model A Piet on Barnstormers (not mine) (Wayne Bressler) 30. 06:31 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (Paul N. Peckham) 31. 06:35 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (Ben Charvet) 32. 06:35 PM - Re: planning for Brodhead (Kringle) 33. 06:45 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (Rick Holland) 34. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: planning for Brodhead (Rick Holland) 35. 06:53 PM - FCC bans 121.5 ELTs (Paul N. Peckham) 36. 07:36 PM - Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs (John Recine) 37. 07:38 PM - Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs (shad bell) 38. 07:39 PM - Re: Skip, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering (Skip Gadd) 39. 07:39 PM - Re: Skip, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering (Skip Gadd) 40. 07:39 PM - ohio waco fly-in (shad bell) 41. 07:50 PM - Re: Curious (Kringle) 42. 08:01 PM - Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs (Dan Yocum) 43. 08:04 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (Jack Phillips) 44. 08:10 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (K5YAC) 45. 08:55 PM - Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! (Jim Markle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Revarnish? From: "VanDy" So i did a couple of quick searches, and found nothing... I have a pietenpol in my garage that was built in 1977, and hasn't been re-varnished since, I'm recovering and going over a few things, mainly hardware, nothing to big. My question is, should i add another layer of varnish, or leave as is? everything seems in good shape so far, but just curious as to everyone else's opinion. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301888#301888 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:09 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More taxiing, tail lift-off, NX929DH report Dan, Thanks for these great reports. We can all feel your excitement. Your inspection will go very well. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Jun 20, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More taxiing, tail lift-off, NX929DH report Hello all, Today I went back and re-safetied all the stuff on the carb that I had off yesterday. Got my cowling pieces all back into place. Had to mark my front throttle- open, closed. Glued on the obligatory leather patches to the LE of the horizontal stab where the cables rub. I have been looking forward to that part for ten years. You really know you have built a Pietenpol Aircamper when you get to that part. You guys that have deviated from plans to avoid this....you are missing something...those have to be there otherwise its really not a Piet. :O) After I was satisfied with all that, I took her out for more taxiing. Boy she really starts easy if you follow the procedure. 1/2 shot of prime, pull through mags off 5 blades, mags hot and it pops right off. Taxied for about 45 min, and when I got a little guts, gave her a little gun on the grass and raised the tail. I really had to hold myself back, she really wanted to FLY!!!. So tomorrow is the inspection. I will give a full report before the end of the day. Thanks for listening, Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:36 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Revarnish? If the varnish is cracked, and you can see wood through the cracks, re-varnish those areas that need it. If it's crazed and you can't chip it off with your fingernail or (very) light prying with a putty knife, I'd call it good and move on. This is advice based on my amateur experience with refinishing old furniture and in no way based on experience dealing with wooden airframes. I will defer to the experts. Dan On 06/21/2010 02:56 AM, VanDy wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "VanDy" > > So i did a couple of quick searches, and found nothing... > > I have a pietenpol in my garage that was built in 1977, and hasn't been re-varnished since, I'm recovering and going over a few things, mainly hardware, nothing to big. > > My question is, should i add another layer of varnish, or leave as is? everything seems in good shape so far, but just curious as to everyone else's opinion. -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas From: dog67@aol.com hi all I'm planning on making it to Brodhead this year in my "plastic" airplane (glastar). a friend of mine who is a prof aviation photographer us coming along, and is looking to get some shots. I was thinking of taking the doors off the glastar, and hoping to get some air-to-air shots - if people are interested. any takers? thanks Jonathan Apfelbaum (yellow glastar taildragger) -----Original Message----- From: lorin.miller@emerson.com Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 10:45 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... Okay, I spent almost 2 hours last evening doing nothing but full stop landings. Lesson learned for me - I work best doing wheel landings on concrete keeping a tad bit of throttle on till tires are on the ground. Once the tail drops to the ground - no rudder authority, only the tailwheel and brakes to keep her straight. Amazing, after more than a dozen full stop landings with nary a glitch, I went back to the hanger - most of the same story tellers were around - but it appeared that nobody was even watching... As I'm feeling this plane out, getting a better idea of performance. With the climb prop on, she gets to pattern altitude pretty quick. That being said - cruise at 2350 rpm gives me an indicated airspeed of 83-85 mph. WOT shows a little over 90 and 2550 rpm. I like this Continental A-75! Fresh overhall two years ago, 50 hours on it now, and compressions are testing at 78/80 across the board. -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301871#301871 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:06 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas What does the GlaStar stall at? It may be too fast for some of the Piets. I mean, Larry Williams and I won't be a problem, what with our blistering speed and all, but some of the other riff-raff barely make 70! mph! >:-} > > >hi all > >I'm planning on making it to Brodhead this year in my "plastic" >airplane (glastar). > >a friend of mine who is a prof aviation photographer us coming >along, and is looking to get some shots. I was thinking of taking >the doors off the glastar, and hoping to get some air-to-air shots - >if people are interested. > >any takers? > >thanks > >Jonathan Apfelbaum (yellow glastar taildragger) -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:45 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas Yah, I'm in (as long as my plane is running again). And I can do 88.5mph with 3 cylinders so, maybe I'll be able to do 89 with 4. ;-) Dan do not archive On 06/21/2010 10:44 AM, dog67@aol.com wrote: > > > hi all > > I'm planning on making it to Brodhead this year in my "plastic" airplane > (glastar). > > a friend of mine who is a prof aviation photographer us coming along, > and is looking to get some shots. I was thinking of taking the doors off > the glastar, and hoping to get some air-to-air shots - if people are > interested. > > any takers? > > thanks > > Jonathan Apfelbaum (yellow glastar taildragger) -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:53 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas I would be glad to "observe"... :) Jack DSM Do not archive hi all I'm planning on making it to Brodhead this year in my "plastic" airplane (glastar). a friend of mine who is a prof aviation photographer us coming along, and is looking to get some shots. I was thinking of taking the doors off the glastar, and hoping to get some air-to-air shots - if people are interested. any takers? thanks Jonathan Apfelbaum (yellow glastar taildragger) -----Original Message----- From: lorin.miller@emerson.com Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 10:45 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... Okay, I spent almost 2 hours last evening doing nothing but full stop landings. Lesson learned for me - I work best doing wheel landings on concrete keeping a tad bit of throttle on till tires are on the ground. Once the tail drops to the ground - no rudder authority, only the tailwheel and brakes to keep her straight. Amazing, after more than a dozen full stop landings with nary a glitch, I went back to the hanger - most of the same story tellers were around - but it appeared that nobody was even watching... As I'm feeling this plane out, getting a better idea of performance. With the climb prop on, she gets to pattern altitude pretty quick. That being said - cruise at 2350 rpm gives me an indicated airspeed of 83-85 mph. WOT shows a little over 90 and 2550 rpm. I like this Continental A-75! Fresh overhall two years ago, 50 hours on it now, and compressions are testing at 78/80 across the board. -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301871#301871 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:09 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan's cruise speed Dan Yocum wrote: "And I can do 88.5mph with 3 cylinders....." Bragger:) do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:21 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan's cruise speed He didn't burden us with the additional (and critical) information: "And I can do 88.5mph with 3 cylinders.....POINTED STRAIGHT DOWN!" >(GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" > >Dan Yocum wrote: "And I can do 88.5mph with 3 cylinders....." > > >Bragger:) > > >do not archive > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:15 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan's cruise speed First liar doesn't stand a chance! :-D do not archive On 06/21/2010 01:46 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > He didn't burden us with the additional (and critical) information: > > "And I can do 88.5mph with 3 cylinders.....POINTED STRAIGHT DOWN!" > >> Aerospace Corporation]" >> >> Dan Yocum wrote: "And I can do 88.5mph with 3 cylinders....." >> >> >> Bragger:) >> >> >> >> >> do not archive > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:26 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dan's cruise speed Well thank you Jeff-- that explains Dan's blazing cruise speed and comforts my sad spirit about only cruising at 72 mph. When I went from a Champ (87 mph) to the Piet whenever I would fly the Champ again I would be impressed with 'how fast' it was ! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:19 PM PST US From: Dog67@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking to do Air to air photos at Brodheas The Glastar stalls at around 41 knots Am all up for trying to get as slow as possible :) Cheers Jon In a message dated 6/21/2010 11:57:54 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jack@textors.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack" I would be glad to "observe"... :) Jack DSM Do not archive hi all I'm planning on making it to Brodhead this year in my "plastic" airplane (glastar). a friend of mine who is a prof aviation photographer us coming along, and is looking to get some shots. I was thinking of taking the doors off the glastar, and hoping to get some air-to-air shots - if people are interested. any takers? thanks Jonathan Apfelbaum (yellow glastar taildragger) -----Original Message----- From: lorin.miller@emerson.com Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 10:45 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Officially joined the "Oh sh$#@!" club tonight... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "ldmill" Okay, I spent almost 2 hours last evening doing nothing but full stop landings. Lesson learned for me - I work best doing wheel landings on concrete keeping a tad bit of throttle on till tires are on the ground. Once the tail drops to the ground - no rudder authority, only the tailwheel and brakes to keep her straight. Amazing, after more than a dozen full stop landings with nary a glitch, I went back to the hanger - most of the same story tellers were around - but it appeared that nobody was even watching... As I'm feeling this plane out, getting a better idea of performance. With the climb prop on, she gets to pattern altitude pretty quick. That being said - cruise at 2350 rpm gives me an indicated airspeed of 83-85 mph. WOT shows a little over 90 and 2550 rpm. I like this Continental A-75! Fresh overhall two years ago, 50 hours on it now, and compressions are testing at 78/80 across the board. -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301871#301871 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:33 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan's cruise speed OK, I have to admit that I don't actually cruise at 88.5mph. That's what I get when the throttle is wide open. I generally crank her back and cruise at around 70mph at about 1800rpm. Mike - what rpm setting do you "cruise" at? Dan do not archive On 06/21/2010 02:11 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" > > Well thank you Jeff-- that explains Dan's blazing cruise speed and comforts my sad spirit > about only cruising at 72 mph. > > When I went from a Champ (87 mph) to the Piet whenever I would fly the Champ again I would > be impressed with 'how fast' it was ! > > Mike C. > > do not archive > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:24 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dan's cruise speed My static full power rpm with a 72"-42 pitch wood prop on my A-65 is 2150 and that is what I cruise at which yields about 72 mph. Haven't checked full throttle operation but Jack Phillips and I were at advanced throttle settings when we entered the arrival procedure over Ripon, WI for the FISK approach. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:32 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: planning for Brodhead All, I'm making my list of things to bring to Brodhead. I'll be camping at the field and I'm wondering, what do ya'll generally do for breakfast? Should I pack the micro-burner, white gas, and a coffee pot? Or do you guys hoof down the road for breakfast? Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:05 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan's cruise speed Dang! Those are pretty good numbers. Solo flight at 1800 rpm would just barely keep me in the air, maybe 50 mph. I don't see 70 mph until I'm up around 2250-2300 rpm. What is your empty weight? Ours is 723 lbs. I weigh 180. With about 10 gal of fuel, that puts the flying weight at about 963 lbs. Maybe your plane is very light, and I'm sure that you weigh less than me. But I'm envious - 70 mph at 1800 rpm. You must just be sipping fuel at that power setting. > >OK, I have to admit that I don't actually cruise at 88.5mph. That's >what I get when the throttle is wide open. I generally crank her >back and cruise at around 70mph at about 1800rpm. > >Mike - what rpm setting do you "cruise" at? > >Dan > >do not archive -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:13 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: planning for Brodhead The local Lion's Club usually does pancakes and sausage at the airport for breakfast. McDonald's is within walking distance and if you can hitch a ride into downtown Brodhead you can find a few cafe's that do a decent breakfast. 4 weeks and counting...... Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: planning for Brodhead > > All, > > I'm making my list of things to bring to Brodhead. I'll be camping at the > field and I'm wondering, what do ya'll generally do for breakfast? Should > I pack the micro-burner, white gas, and a coffee pot? Or do you guys hoof > down the road for breakfast? > > Thanks, > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:55 PM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Skipp, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering It is nice to see you guys having fun with the toys. I hope the Ohio event was as good as the west coast event=2C and I am sure it was. Do to many o bligations not all of us can make the big one in the north east. These reg ional meets may be the answer for us. I hope they expand and flourish. We have fun and learn a lot from each other. Keep up the good work. Hope to see many of you next year at the west coast meet. Vic Groah NX414MV do not archive > From: jholmes8@centurylink.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Skipp=2C Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering > Date: Sun=2C 20 Jun 2010 20:09:29 -0400 > > Shad=2C > I got a few of you and Skip (Sorry I didn't get any of Ed's piet). Wish I > could have stayed longer=2C I hate it when work gets in the way of a good > time. I compressed these for e-mail. I have a few others as well so if yo u > want the full size version or all of the ones I took=2C just let me know and I > will send them to your e-mail address. > Thanks for hosting=2C > Jason Holmes > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell > Sent: Sunday=2C June 20=2C 2010 7:34 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skipp=2C Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering > > > Skipp=2C Did you get the email with photos of the piet gathering? I was > wondering if you could post them on the list=2C my computer is still not > fixed=2C or I would do it myself. I would love to see any photos that any of > you in attendance might have taken. Post them on the list or email me. > Next week it is the big WACO fly-in at Wynkoop Airport in Mount Vernon. T he > last I heard=2C Brian Wynkoop said it was ok for the piets to fly in. Las t > year there was a waco only fly in rule=2C notam=2C or something. > > Shad > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with H otmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid= PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: planning for Brodhead From: Ryan Mueller If you can find a ride or don't mind a little walk the Sand Burr is just to the southeast, about a mile away. Pretty decent family restaurant fare. Airport Rd south to Halfway Tree, Halfway Tree east to T, and make a right on T. Ryan On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:07 PM, gcardinal wrote: > > The local Lion's Club usually does pancakes and sausage at the airport for > breakfast. McDonald's is within walking distance and if you can hitch a ride > into downtown Brodhead you can find a few cafe's that do a decent breakfast. > > 4 weeks and counting...... > > Greg C. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" > > To: > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:16 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: planning for Brodhead > > >> >> All, >> >> I'm making my list of things to bring to Brodhead. I'll be camping at the >> field and I'm wondering, what do ya'll generally do for breakfast? Should I >> pack the micro-burner, white gas, and a coffee pot? Or do you guys hoof >> down the road for breakfast? >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >> -- >> Dan Yocum >> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: planning for Brodhead From: "Kringle" I plan on pulling my camper. I understand they allow me to pull it on the field. Are we allowed to run generators? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301970#301970 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: planning for Brodhead From: "Kringle" I plan on pulling my camper. I understand they allow me to pull it on the field. Are we allowed to run generators? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301971#301971 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:34 PM PST US From: "Ernie Moreno" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: planning for Brodhead I camp at Brodhead and eat at camp. Also macd down the road about a mile. Ernie Moreno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: planning for Brodhead > > All, > > I'm making my list of things to bring to Brodhead. I'll be camping at > the field and I'm wondering, what do ya'll generally do for breakfast? > Should I pack the micro-burner, white gas, and a coffee pot? Or do you > guys hoof down the road for breakfast? > > Thanks, > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 11:36:00 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:42 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan's cruise speed It's got to be the 74x42 met-l-prop N8031 came with. They're more efficient. She's 710lbs and I'm 170. With 16.5gal of fuel we're at about 1000 give or take. I'm sure my fuel burn will be better with all cylinders firing. Dan -- yocum@gmail.com On Jun 21, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > > > Dang! Those are pretty good numbers. Solo flight at 1800 rpm would > just barely keep me in the air, maybe 50 mph. I don't see 70 mph > until I'm up around 2250-2300 rpm. What is your empty weight? Ours > is 723 lbs. I weigh 180. With about 10 gal of fuel, that puts the > flying weight at about 963 lbs. Maybe your plane is very light, and > I'm sure that you weigh less than me. But I'm envious - 70 mph at > 1800 rpm. You must just be sipping fuel at that power setting. > > >> >> OK, I have to admit that I don't actually cruise at 88.5mph. >> That's what I get when the throttle is wide open. I generally >> crank her back and cruise at around 70mph at about 1800rpm. >> >> Mike - what rpm setting do you "cruise" at? >> >> Dan >> >> do not archive > > > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! From: helspersew@aol.com Hello all, Well today the DAR showed-up at about 10 am. Long story short, is that I have my brand new Special Airworthiness Certificate. Everything went smoo th for the most part, and only a few very minor squawks. The DAR made note of the squawks in the log book, to be taken care of before any passenger flight. So my plan is to get some more taxi time in, to learn the ground handling of this bird a little better, and get used to the rudder bar a bit better. I Figured out that during taxiing, if I put my heels on the rudder bar, I can reach the brake pedals just fine. My 1" wide band brake s give me about as much braking power as I expected- minimal. But I knew that going in, and need them so I don't roll into the gas pumps etc. Also there has been some talk on this list about the legality of carrying a passenger in the "test phase" of flight (first 40 hours). He said this is strictly prohibited, and would only be approved in special cases such as a Boeing 727 experimental, where the designer made the airplane to req uire extra people to operate it. My Airworthiness Certificate section "E" , says "operating limitations dated 6-21-10 are a part of this certificate " On my accompanying operating limitation (that the DAR gave me) it specif ically says that "During the flight test phase, no person may be carried in this aircraft during flight". Pretty definitive. So maybe by Saturday I will feel confident enough to fly. One thing I real ly need to be aware of is the limited forward visibility in this airplane (with the radiator). Yesterday, I actually went off into the corner of th e hay field about 10 feet during one of my higher speed runs. Woke me up but good!!. So I will keep you all posted on any progress going forward. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:47 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dan's cruise speed I heard Dan uses a hi-wazoo wax...like at Reno Races... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 19 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dan's cruise speed It's got to be the 74x42 met-l-prop N8031 came with. They're more efficient. She's 710lbs and I'm 170. With 16.5gal of fuel we're at about 1000 give or take. I'm sure my fuel burn will be better with all cylinders firing. Dan -- yocum@gmail.com On Jun 21, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > > > Dang! Those are pretty good numbers. Solo flight at 1800 rpm would > just barely keep me in the air, maybe 50 mph. I don't see 70 mph > until I'm up around 2250-2300 rpm. What is your empty weight? Ours > is 723 lbs. I weigh 180. With about 10 gal of fuel, that puts the > flying weight at about 963 lbs. Maybe your plane is very light, and > I'm sure that you weigh less than me. But I'm envious - 70 mph at > 1800 rpm. You must just be sipping fuel at that power setting. > > >> >> OK, I have to admit that I don't actually cruise at 88.5mph. >> That's what I get when the throttle is wide open. I generally >> crank her back and cruise at around 70mph at about 1800rpm. >> >> Mike - what rpm setting do you "cruise" at? >> >> Dan >> >> do not archive > > > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! 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Congrats Dan!!! This is very exciting. Interesting note about carrying passengers. I didn't realize that had been a recent discussion on the list. I heard of one Pietenpol builder that crashed his Piet during one take off....at about hour number 10 or 11 during his initial flights...and his passenger's shoulder harness ripped big holes in the back of the seat. He had just lifted off so it wasn't life threatening. Still scary. And every time I hear of someone wanting to take up a passenger (I know you don't plan on it) I remember that person's flight...and how horrible it would have been to have had a really serious accident during the fly off time (or any time for that matter). Anyway, sorry to go on a rant. Mainly, VERY cool about your progress! I'm sure hoping to get to Brodhead and it would be neat to see YOU fly in! >From beautiful Hannibal Missouri, JM -----Original Message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Jun 21, 2010 7:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! Hello all, Well today the DAR showed-up at about 10 am. Long story short, is that I have my brand new Special Airworthiness Certificate. Everything went smooth for the most part, and only a few very minor squawks. The DAR made note of the squawks in the log book, to be taken care of before any passenger flight. So my plan is to get some more taxi time in, to learn the ground handling of this bird a little better, and get used to the rudder bar a bit better. I Figured out that during taxiing, if I put my heels on the rudder bar, I can reach the brake pedals just fine. My 1" wide band brakes give me about as much braking power as I expected- minimal. But I knew that going in, and need them so I don't roll into the gas pumps etc. Also there has been some talk on this list about the legality of carrying a passenger in the "test phase" of flight (first 40 hours). He said this is strictly prohibited, and would only be approved in special cases such as a Boeing 727 experimental, where the designer made the airplane to require extra people to operate it. My Airworthiness Certificate section "E", says "operating limitations dated 6-21-10 are a part of this certificate" On my accompanying operating limitation (that the DAR gave me) it specifically says that "During the flight test phase, no person may be carried in this aircraft during flight". Pretty definitive. So maybe by Saturday I will feel confident enough to fly. One thing I really need to be aware of is the limited forward visibility in this airplane (with the radiator). Yesterday, I actually went off into the corner of the hay field about 10 feet during one of my higher speed runs. Woke me up but good!!. So I will keep you all posted on any progress going forward. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Curious From: "John Recine" How many first time piets will be coming to brodhead as either new builds or new family members or both? Seems to me at least 3 maybe more. I think it would be a fitting gesture to get video of firsts as they land and take their rightful place in the ranks of the ones that have come before them parked on the flight line. Just another hair brain idea from someone loosing much the hair and even more of the brain. Like having ones shirt cut on first solo the right of passage for an accomplished builder or owner. John Do not archive Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:52 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A Piet on Barnstormers (not mine) 2004 PIETENPOL FORD MODEL A =A2 $14,500 =A2 FOR SALE =A2 Classic Bernard Pietenpol design. AFTT 100 , SMOH 110. Toe brakes, ICOM radio, Slick magneto. Built to plans in 2004 by a retired machinist with a Ford Model A engine. Model A Pietenpols draw tremendous amount of attention at airports. Pietenpol featured in EAA's Sport Aviation this spring. Aircraft is airworthy with required documentation and condition inspection due in Sept 2010. Easy to fly vintage design based at DeKalb Airport (KDKB). Delivery Available. =A2 Contact Joseph D. Dougherty, Friend of Owner - located Wheaton, IL USA =A2 Telephone:630-292-11 39 . =A2 Posted June 21, 2010 =A2 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser =A2 Recommend This Ad to a Friend =A2Email Advertiser =A2 Save to Watchlist =A2 Report This Ad =A2 View Larger Pictures I saw this and thought I'd share. It sure is pretty! Wish I had an extra $14k! Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: planning for Brodhead From: "Paul N. Peckham" John, >From what I recall, the guys with the generators are usually segregated off to a certain area, so they can listen to each other's generator thru out the night. : ) I would just ask where they want you when you get there. But yeah, they do allow them. Open invitation to you other guys on foot..........If you need a lift into town, just look me up. Red Jeep Wrangler next to a popup. We usually park a little north and east of the pavilion. And if I'm not going, you can take the Jeep........ as long as you come back! Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301983#301983 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:37 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! Congratulations on your exciting day. My Phase 1 was only 25 hours, and I took my first passenger (my wife) with I think 25.1 hours in the logbook. The most nervous flight in Phase 1 was the one with 200 pounds of steel strapped to the passenger seat when I loaded the airplane up to full gross to satisfy that part of Phase 1. I missed flying to Sun-N-Fun because the weather wouldn't cooperate enough for me to fly off the last hour of Phase 1. I plan to enjoy my Pietenpol for a long time, and think the rules about phase 1 are a good idea. I was anxious to take my wife up on her first flight, and that gave me an excuse to fly a lot more than usual. Enjoy, you will be flying before you know it. Just be sure to pre-flight and start every taxi test with plenty of fuel in the tank, just in case you end up flying. Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Flying commercial to Brodhead, via Milwaukee On 6/21/2010 8:49 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Hello all, > Well today the DAR showed-up at about 10 am. Long story short, is that > I have my brand new Special Airworthiness Certificate. Everything went > smooth for the most part, and only a few very minor squawks. The DAR > made note of the squawks in the log book, to be taken care of before > any passenger flight. So my plan is to get some more taxi time in, to > learn the ground handling of this bird a little better, and get used > to the rudder bar a bit better. I Figured out that during taxiing, if > I put my heels on the rudder bar, I can reach the brake pedals just > fine. My 1" wide band brakes give me about as much braking power as I > expected- minimal. But I knew that going in, and need them so I don't > roll into the gas pumps etc. > Also there has been some talk on this list about the legality of > carrying a passenger in the "test phase" of flight (first 40 hours). > He said this is strictly prohibited, and would only be approved in > special cases such as a Boeing 727 experimental, where the designer > made the airplane to require extra people to operate it. My > Airworthiness Certificate section "E", says "operating limitations > dated 6-21-10 are a part of this certificate" On my accompanying > operating limitation (that the DAR gave me) it specifically says that > "During the flight test phase, no person may be carried in this > aircraft during flight". Pretty definitive. > So maybe by Saturday I will feel confident enough to fly. One thing I > really need to be aware of is the limited forward visibility in this > airplane (with the radiator). Yesterday, I actually went off into the > corner of the hay field about 10 feet during one of my higher speed > runs. Woke me up but good!!. > So I will keep you all posted on any progress going forward. > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: planning for Brodhead From: "Kringle" I suppose wifi is out of the question? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301986#301986 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! From: Rick Holland > jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > I'm sure hoping to get to Brodhead and it would be neat to see YOU fly > in! > > You better be at Broadhead Markle, or we'll come find you! Rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: planning for Brodhead From: Rick Holland BYOBBA. (bring your own broadband antenna). On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Kringle wrote: > > I suppose wifi is out of the question? > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301986#301986 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs From: "Paul N. Peckham" This just came in a AVwebAlert email. I guess we're having too much fun, and federal government can't allow that. I could say more, but the proper words needed to describe this FCC action are not printable. Paul FCC BANS 121.5 ELTS The Federal Communications Commission took the general aviation world by surprise when it said in a recent report it will prohibit the sale or use of 121.5 MHz emergency locator transmitters, effective in August. The Aircraft Electronics Association said it just learned of the new rule today, and has begun working with the FAA, FCC and others to allow for timely compliance without grounding thousands of general aviation aircraft. The 121.5 ELTs are allowed under FAA rules. The FCC said its rules have been amended to "prohibit further certification, manufacture, importation, sale or use of 121.5 MHz ELTs." The FCC says that if the 121.5 units are no longer available, aircraft owners and operators will "migrate" to the newer 406.0-406.1 MHz ELTs, which are monitored by satellite, while the 121.5 frequency is not. "Were we to permit continued marketing and use of 121.5 MHz ELTs ... it would engender the risk that aircraft owners and operators would mistakenly rely on those ELTs for the relay of distress alerts," the FCC says. AOPA said today it is opposed to the rule change. "The FCC is making a regulatory change that would impose an extra cost on GA operators, without properly communicating with the industry or understanding the implications of its action," said AOPA Vice President of Regulatory Affairs Rob Hackman. "There is no FAA requirement to replace 121.5 MHz units with 406 MHz technology. When two government agencies don't coordinate, GA can suffer." The AEA said dealers should refrain from selling any new 121.5 MHz ELTs "until further understanding of this new prohibition can be understood and a realistic timeline for transition can be established." Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301991#301991 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs From: "John Recine" Once again our tax dollars are hard at work! Do not archive John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Paul N. Peckham" Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs This just came in a AVwebAlert email. I guess we're having too much fun, and federal government can't allow that. I could say more, but the proper words needed to describe this FCC action are not printable. Paul FCC BANS 121.5 ELTS The Federal Communications Commission took the general aviation world by surprise when it said in a recent report it will prohibit the sale or use of 121.5 MHz emergency locator transmitters, effective in August. The Aircraft Electronics Association said it just learned of the new rule today, and has begun working with the FAA, FCC and others to allow for timely compliance without grounding thousands of general aviation aircraft. The 121.5 ELTs are allowed under FAA rules. The FCC said its rules have been amended to "prohibit further certification, manufacture, importation, sale or use of 121.5 MHz ELTs." The FCC says that if the 121.5 units are no longer available, aircraft owners and operators will "migrate" to the newer 406.0-406.1 MHz ELTs, which are monitored by satellite, while the 121.5 frequency is not. "Were we to permit continued marketing and use of 121.5 MHz ELTs ... it would engender the risk that aircraft owners and operators would mistakenly rely on those ELTs! for the relay of distress alerts," the FCC says. AOPA said today it is opposed to the rule change. "The FCC is making a regulatory change that would impose an extra cost on GA operators, without properly communicating with the industry or understanding the implications of its action," said AOPA Vice President of Regulatory Affairs Rob Hackman. "There is no FAA requirement to replace 121.5 MHz units with 406 MHz technology. When two government agencies don't coordinate, GA can suffer." The AEA said dealers should refrain from selling any new 121.5 MHz ELTs "until further understanding of this new prohibition can be understood and a realistic timeline for transition can be established." Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301991#301991 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:38 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs Good, I can take the damn thing out throw it from 2000 feet into a field and see if they find it. It weighs too much, doesn't look good, needs an antena, and won't do didly to save my life here in the midwest any how. Just don't expect me to actually buy a new one and put it in. Shad Must be another part of the stimulus plan from a "great" regime..., I mean administration ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:07 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Skip, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering Shad, Got all the pictures from your dad. Here are some. Thanks for organizing the Piet gathering, hope it can be an annual event. Skip > [Original Message] > From: shad bell > To: > Date: 6/20/2010 7:40:20 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skip, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering > > > Skip, Did you get the email with photos of the piet gathering? I was wondering if you could post them on the list, my computer is still not fixed, or I would do it myself. I would love to see any photos that any of you in attendance might have taken. Post them on the list or email me. Next week it is the big WACO fly-in at Wynkoop Airport in Mount Vernon. The last I heard, Brian Wynkoop said it was ok for the piets to fly in. Last year there was a waco only fly in rule, notam, or something. > > Shad ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:26 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Skip, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering Shad, Got all the pictures from your dad. Here are some. Thanks for organizing the Piet gathering, hope it can be an annual event. Skip > [Original Message] > From: shad bell > To: > Date: 6/20/2010 7:40:20 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skip, Pictures of Ohio Piet Gathering > > > Skip, Did you get the email with photos of the piet gathering? I was wondering if you could post them on the list, my computer is still not fixed, or I would do it myself. I would love to see any photos that any of you in attendance might have taken. Post them on the list or email me. Next week it is the big WACO fly-in at Wynkoop Airport in Mount Vernon. The last I heard, Brian Wynkoop said it was ok for the piets to fly in. Last year there was a waco only fly in rule, notam, or something. > > Shad ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:28 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: ohio waco fly-in Group, Skipp, Ed, Mike, Don etc etc, I went over to Wynkoop airport to ask if we could fly our piets in on saturday, and the answer is NO! Brian said the field is closed for the waco club, and only waco assn. members are supposed to fly in. I got yelled at last year by the golf cart nazi for flying over on a thurs evening (Brian told them I was OK to be there so no further scuffle took place), when only 5-6 waco were there. So in short don't land at there fly-in this saturday the 26th. However if any of you want to ride over in the back of dad's 1932 1 ton stakebed truck be at my hanger by 10am on sat (it is about a 20 min drive). If anyone is interested let me know, if not I might look for another fly-in. Shad ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Curious From: "Kringle" Do any "projects" show up? I would like to see some Piets in the construction phase. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301998#301998 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:31 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs Well, of course they did: I just bought a new battery for my ELT. Holy crap! The cheapest new one at ACS is $759!!! Do not archive -- yocum@gmail.com On Jun 21, 2010, at 8:51 PM, "Paul N. Peckham" wrote: > > > > This just came in a AVwebAlert email. I guess we're having too much > fun, and federal government can't allow that. I could say more, but > the proper words needed to describe this FCC action are not printable. > > Paul > > > FCC BANS 121.5 ELTS > > > The Federal Communications Commission took the general aviation > world by surprise when it said in a recent report it will prohibit > the sale or use of 121.5 MHz emergency locator transmitters, > effective in August. The Aircraft Electronics Association said it > just learned of the new rule today, and has begun working with the > FAA, FCC and others to allow for timely compliance without grounding > thousands of general aviation aircraft. The 121.5 ELTs are allowed > under FAA rules. The FCC said its rules have been amended to > "prohibit further certification, manufacture, importation, sale or > use of 121.5 MHz ELTs." The FCC says that if the 121.5 units are no > longer available, aircraft owners and operators will "migrate" to > the newer 406.0-406.1 MHz ELTs, which are monitored by satellite, > while the 121.5 frequency is not. "Were we to permit continued > marketing and use of 121.5 MHz ELTs ... it would engender the risk > that aircraft owners and operators would mistakenly rely on those > ELTs! > for the relay of distress alerts," the FCC says. AOPA said today it > is opposed to the rule change. > > "The FCC is making a regulatory change that would impose an extra > cost on GA operators, without properly communicating with the > industry or understanding the implications of its action," said AOPA > Vice President of Regulatory Affairs Rob Hackman. "There is no FAA > requirement to replace 121.5 MHz units with 406 MHz technology. When > two government agencies don't coordinate, GA can suffer." The AEA > said dealers should refrain from selling any new 121.5 MHz ELTs > "until further understanding of this new prohibition can be > understood and a realistic timeline for transition can be > established." > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301991#301991 > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:34 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! Congratualtions, Dan! Why wait until Saturday? Looking forward to seeing it at Brodhead in a month. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! Hello all, Well today the DAR showed-up at about 10 am. Long story short, is that I have my brand new Special Airworthiness Certificate. Everything went smooth for the most part, and only a few very minor squawks. The DAR made note of the squawks in the log book, to be taken care of before any passenger flight. So my plan is to get some more taxi time in, to learn the ground handling of this bird a little better, and get used to the rudder bar a bit better. I Figured out that during taxiing, if I put my heels on the rudder bar, I can reach the brake pedals just fine. My 1" wide band brakes give me about as much braking power as I expected- minimal. But I knew that going in, and need them so I don't roll into the gas pumps etc. Also there has been some talk on this list about the legality of carrying a passenger in the "test phase" of flight (first 40 hours). He said this is strictly prohibited, and would only be approved in special cases such as a Boeing 727 experimental, where the designer made the airplane to require extra people to operate it. My Airworthiness Certificate section "E", says "operating limitations dated 6-21-10 are a part of this certificate" On my accompanying operating limitation (that the DAR gave me) it specifically says that "During the flight test phase, no person may be carried in this aircraft during flight". Pretty definitive. So maybe by Saturday I will feel confident enough to fly. One thing I really need to be aware of is the limited forward visibility in this airplane (with the radiator). Yesterday, I actually went off into the corner of the hay field about 10 feet during one of my higher speed runs. Woke me up but good!!. So I will keep you all posted on any progress going forward. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! From: "K5YAC" Congratulations Dan! Please keep us posted on your progress. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302002#302002 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:25 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! HA! Well Rick, I usually can't hide from anyone so you probably won't need to come find me! I just got assigned to a job in Chattanooga TN the week after Brodhead so I'm hoping I can do a flight through Chicago....that would put me there for at least a day at Brodhead... I'm hoping I can make the trip happen. All the new Piets this year...I want to sit at the end of the runway and take videos again....talk about MOTIVATING!!! I can just hardly wait to see the new Air Campers.... I'm ready to "be there" and stop "talking about" being there.... jm -----Original Message----- From: Rick Holland Sent: Jun 21, 2010 8:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspection......I have a real airplane now!!! I'm sure hoping to get to Brodhead and it would be neat to see YOU fly in! You better be at Broadhead Markle, or we'll come find you! Rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.