---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/24/10: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: gluing the fuselage (carson) 2. 04:55 AM - Re: couple of new guy questions... (j_dunavin) 3. 05:03 AM - Re: Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs (Jim Ash) 4. 05:22 AM - Re: Before Radar (Jim Ash) 5. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: prevent splinters with duct tape (Jim Ash) 6. 05:45 AM - Re: gluing the fuselage (Ben Charvet) 7. 05:47 AM - Re: Propping a Corvair (Pietn38b@aol.com) 8. 06:53 AM - Re: gluing the fuselage (Chris) 9. 09:44 AM - Re: Propping a Corvair (K5YAC) 10. 12:48 PM - Re: prevent splinters with duct tape (Kringle) 11. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: prevent splinters with duct tape (Dan Yocum) 12. 01:23 PM - Split Axle Gear (TOM STINEMETZE) 13. 01:37 PM - Re: Split Axle Gear (Jim Markle) 14. 01:42 PM - Re: prevent splinters with duct tape (Kringle) 15. 01:48 PM - Re: prevent splinters with duct tape (echobravo4) 16. 01:54 PM - Re: NX929DH progress report (Rick Holland) 17. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: couple of new guy questions... (Rick Holland) 18. 02:38 PM - Re: NX929DH progress report (H RULE) 19. 03:07 PM - Re: Split Axle Gear (Rick Holland) 20. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: Propping a Corvair (Mike Tunnicliffe) 21. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: Propping a Corvair (Jeff Boatright) 22. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: Propping a Corvair (Mike Tunnicliffe) 23. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Propping a Corvair (Jeff Boatright) 24. 07:08 PM - NX929DH Progress report (helspersew@aol.com) 25. 07:08 PM - local evening flight (shad bell) 26. 07:12 PM - Re: NX929DH Progress report (Gary Boothe) 27. 08:16 PM - Re: couple of new guy questions... (j_dunavin) 28. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: couple of new guy questions... (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gluing the fuselage From: "carson" Hi Bill I have done that glued on all the small gussets and left the sides open Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302344#302344 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/peitenpol_093_345.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of new guy questions... From: "j_dunavin" Thanks for all the replies! That really helps point my dad and I in the right direction. MAN I want to get over there this weekend and start cutting some wood! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302345#302345 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:35 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs When I first bought my Cub, it didn't have an ELT. I went through the same inquiries, and the folks I queried (my favorite old-timer flight instructor, a few others, and the FSDO) said solo flights were considered practice and could be considered training. All bets are off when there's a body in the front seat. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Jun 22, 2010 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FCC bans 121.5 ELTs Only problem there is that you would not be engaged in training....you can't give yourself flight training in your own airplane. :P (f)(4) says: Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to design and testing. That would probably be the line that would allow you to get by without one for Phase I. However you would have to have one for phase II; anecdotal statements out there on the 'net seem to indicate that the DAR/FAA rep may very well only give you a Limited Airworthiness Certificate for Phase I flight with no ELT, and may want to come back out to inspect the ELT installation before issuing your Special Airworthiness Cert. Since you are going to have to spend the money anyway it might be worth it to get the ELT and install it before the airplane is finished, to avoid hassle later on It may be worthwhile to figure out which FSDO/DAR you will be using, and give them a call and run it by them as well. Ryan On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: I don't know if this will allow me to go ahead and get my phase 1 Airworthiness without going bankrupt or not-but here may be one loophole for me at the start. There may be another loop-hole. FAR 91.207 (f)(3)... (f) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to (3) Aircraft while engaged in training operations conducted entirely within a 50-nautical mile radius of the airport from which such local flight operations began; Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302079#302079 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:53 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Before Radar Where do you guys think Ted Geisel got his inspirations, anyhow? Jim -----Original Message----- From: Allan Macklem Sent: Jun 22, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Before Radar Interesting to know how potention air attacks were detected before Radar. Some of you may have used this equipment, but it was considerably before my time.:-)) Allan Macklem "I have the plans" These look like a joke, but were actual "hearing aids" to detect airplanes..... Before Radar, How Were Air Attacks Detected? With old time hearing aids! STRANGE ACOUSTIC "EARS" BEFORE RADAR -ON A SWIVEL STRANGE ACOUSTIC "EARS" BEFORE RADAR -GERMAN STRANGE ACOUSTIC "EARS" BEFORE RADAR -ON WHEELS STRANGE ACOUSTIC "EARS" BEFORE RADAR -ENGLAND Release Date: 06/09/10 13:35:00 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:22 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: prevent splinters with duct tape An alternative method I use is to provide a junk backing material behind the stuff you care about. But it's gotta be snug up against the good stuff; the compression from the material minimizes splintering. This technique has much broader use; last weekend, I backed some 1/8" steel with an old hardwood block when drilling it to minimize the mess on the back side of the hole and reduce my de-burring hassles. Match-drilling multiple pieces automatically provides this benefit (except for the bottom piece) when you can do it. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Kringle >Sent: Jun 23, 2010 4:25 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prevent splinters with duct tape > > >A timely discussion as my first sheet of plywood from Aircraft Spruce came today! However, I am still waiting for riblett 612 plans and am assuming the gussets may be of different size and shape. > >-------- >John > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302270#302270 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:21 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gluing the fuselage I glued on all the small gussets while still in the jig. Unless you make a jig for left and right, you really can't put the forward fuselage skin on while in the jig. I can't really remember what I did here, but it would be a good idea to have the inner gussets on the side without the forward skin, just to help hold the shape. BEn Charvet On 6/23/2010 11:27 PM, bcolleran wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bcolleran" > > OK all I have my entire right side of the fuselage laid out. Do you recommend gluing the gussets on while it is in the jig or after I pull it out? I know there are two different sets of gussets for the inside and out. Would really like to wait and out the big gusset on last so I can work inside the fuselage without having to crawl and bend. > > Bill > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302326#302326 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0605_159.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:59 AM PST US From: Pietn38b@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Propping a Corvair I have been hand propping my two corvair powered aircraft for over 20 years. Each one uses a slightly different routine due to having different carbs and intake system. I do not feel they are any more difficult to start than a mag equipped engine. Jim Ballew _pietn38b@aol.com_ (mailto:pietn38b@aol.com) In a message dated 6/23/2010 9:03:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, skellflyer1@yahoo.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skellytown flyer" Have any of you that have the Corvairs with distributors had any luck, or tried hand propping them? I'm sure it can be done but maybe not nearly as easy as a magneto engine. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302317#302317 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:16 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: gluing the fuselage Like the others said, glue on all the gussets you can while it is in the jig. You can leave off the side plywood until you finish the inside work. It will stay together just fine. Mine was without the side plywood for years. In this picture you can see I have the seats installed and still no side plywood. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/side_view_of_fuselage_3.jpg Look at the pictures in the first three rows and you will see my fuselage under construction http://westcoastpiet.com/chris_tracy.htm Also, consider not attaching the firewall plywood until your done with the engine. Mine is just tacked on to help hold the fuselages shape. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gluing the fuselage --> OK all I have my entire right side of the fuselage laid out. Do you recommend gluing the gussets on while it is in the jig or after I pull it out? I know there are two different sets of gussets for the inside and out. Would really like to wait and out the big gusset on last so I can work inside the fuselage without having to crawl and bend. Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302326#302326 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0605_159.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Propping a Corvair From: "K5YAC" Jim Ballew! Haven't seen you in a while! Hope to see you at the Burger Bash this Sunday. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302383#302383 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prevent splinters with duct tape From: "Kringle" I've seen some use the round gussets. Is this an acceptable method of construction? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302404#302404 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:20 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: prevent splinters with duct tape On 06/24/2010 02:48 PM, Kringle wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kringle" > > I've seen some use the round gussets. Is this an acceptable method of construction? Bingelis says yes. Though it does waste a bit of wood in the process. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:29 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split Axle Gear Here's a question for you metal workers out there. The split axle gear plans show the top of the two pipes forming the "A" frame member being "flattened" prior to cutting at the proper angle and having the bearing lugs welded on. How does someone do this flattening if you do not have access to a hydraulic press? Is it acceptable to heat the metal and then flatten with a vise or hammer? Tom N328X ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:43 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Split Axle Gear I welded a flat piece of 4130 at the appropriate angle...too complex and probably added WAY too much additional weight :-) Kidding about the weight but it added a bit of un-needed complexity. Next time I'll heat and bend...per Tony B. jm -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Jun 24, 2010 3:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split Axle Gear Here's a question for you metal workers out there. The split axle gear plans show the top of the two pipes forming the "A" frame member being "flattened" prior to cutting at the proper angle and having the bearing lugs welded on. How does someone do this flattening if you do not have access to a hydraulic press? Is it acceptable to heat the metal and then flatten with a vise or hammer? Tom N328X ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prevent splinters with duct tape From: "Kringle" It would seem to me that you would want the round gusset to contact as much wood as the standard do. That would me more plywood to make the gussets and more square inches (surface area) for each gusset. Agree? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302411#302411 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prevent splinters with duct tape From: "echobravo4" i thought it would be easier to just cut out a bunch of circles for gussets, but, when i saw how much wood they wasted i went back to cutting out the square ones. i just sized them up to account for the saw kerfs when i laid them out so i can just "cut on the lines" -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302413#302413 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH progress report From: Rick Holland That's something I have wondered about when its time for my first flight, whether its best to crow hop down the runway several times or just get it in the air and away from the hard ground as quickly as possible (always well above stall speed of course in case of engine problems). Sounds like its done both ways by a lot of people. rick On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Aerospace Corporation]" > > Great supper time thanks in prayer Dan-- we are SO fortunate in this > country to be able to build, fly, > and navigate around this land with few real restrictions like they have in > SO many other countries that > make homebuilding and flying them a near impossibility. > > Great to hear you're doing some crow hops. I found that actually flying > the plane as you would your Aeronca > Sedan on takeoff and landing is easier than the crow hops. Be prepared for > a steeper approach in your Piet > than your Sedan and much, much less float. I carried a bit more speed > than needed for my first dozen or so > landings so I could get the feel of the airplane in the flare and try to > adjust my height accordingly. > > One of the biggest 1st Piet flight things that I wasn't expecting was how > LOW you get in the buttocks to the > ground to touch down compared to airplanes like your Sedan where you sit > quite a bit higher in the saddle. > > Most first time Piet pilot landings tend to be about a foot off the ground > where the pilot 'feels' like he > is about to touch down. In the Piet you have to actually pretend that > you're landing without a landing gear. > Pretend like you're trying to grease on the belly of your airplane instead > of the wheels and you'll be surprised > at how good you do. My first few landings were 'drop-in's'. > > I didn't put rubber pads under my axle but let the ash bearer do it's thing > and even after 12 years and many > landings there's only a slight indentation where the axle hits. > > Mike C. > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of new guy questions... From: Rick Holland Scotty Looks like your project is coming along great. You have the first Corvair/Piet I have seen with a 5th bearing, which one did you use? I am still trying to decide if I want to spend the extra $1200 usd. And I thought I was the only Piet with an MGL E1 engine monitor but you beat me to it! You Aussies are really into that modern technology (except for the Pietenpol itself of course). rick On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:28 AM, bubbleboy wrote: > scott.dawson@optusnet.com.au> > > Dan...what variety of wood is your panel made from? Stunning! > > Scotty > Australia > > -------- > Scotty > > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302204#302204 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:00 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH progress report When I flew my GN-1 for the first time,it was the first time on type for me and the first time for that airplane to be flown.I find too many problems with crow hopps.Hard landings etc.I just got in it and flew it.It flew as a dvertized.Nothing new, nothing different.Because the wing is J3 it flew ver y much like my N3 Pup except faster.I made one circuit and landed and thoug ht about everything-I had just done.My thoughts were full of "lets do tha t again real soon like``!I did a few days after.Some people say you should have experience on type before flying.I believe with the exception of a few odd things most stick and rudder planes fly the same as any other.Keep it simple and don`t try any funny stuff till you get to know her.-=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Rick Holland =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, June 24, 2010 4:53:53 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH progress report=0A=0AThat's some thing I have wondered about when its time for my first flight, whether its best to crow hop down the runway several times or just get it in the air an d away from the hard ground as quickly as possible (always well above stall speed of course in case of engine problems). Sounds like its done both way s by a lot of people.=0A=0Arick =0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:09 AM, C uy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] =0A>=0A>Great s upper time thanks in prayer Dan-- we are SO fortunate in this country to be able to build, fly,=0A>and navigate around this land with few real restric tions like they have in SO many other countries that=0A>make homebuilding a nd flying them a near impossibility.=0A>=0A>Great to hear you're doing some crow hops. - I found that actually flying the plane as you would your Ae ronca=0A>Sedan on takeoff and landing is easier than the crow hops. -Be p repared for a steeper approach in your Piet=0A>than your Sedan and much, mu ch less float. - I carried a bit more speed than needed for my first doze n or so=0A>landings so I could get the feel of the airplane in the flare an d try to adjust my height accordingly.=0A>=0A>One of the biggest 1st Piet f light things that I wasn't expecting was how LOW you get in the buttocks to the=0A>ground to touch down compared to airplanes like your Sedan where yo u sit quite a bit higher in the saddle.=0A>=0A>Most first time Piet pilot l andings tend to be about a foot off the ground where the pilot 'feels' like he=0A>is about to touch down. - In the Piet you have to actually pretend that you're landing without a landing gear.=0A>Pretend like you're trying to grease on the belly of your airplane instead of the wheels and you'll be surprised=0A>at how good you do. - My first few landings were 'drop-in's '.=0A>=0A>I didn't put rubber pads under my axle but let the ash bearer do it's thing and even after 12 years and many=0A>landings there's only a slig ht indentation where the axle hits.=0A>=0A>Mike C.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>============0A>st" target="_blank">http://w ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>========== ==0A>http://forums.matronics.com=0A>============0A> le, List Admin.=0A>="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>= ===========0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0ARick Holland =0ACastle Rock, Colorado=0A=0A"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that sm ======================= ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Split Axle Gear From: Rick Holland Howdy Tom I didn't flatten the ends of the A frame pieces just indented them a small amount by beating it with a big hammer (no heat). I welded in a piece to close the end to prevent water from getting in. rick On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:16 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > *Here's a question for you metal workers out there. The split axle gear > plans show the top of the two pipes forming the "A" frame member being > "flattened" prior to cutting at the proper angle and having the bearing lugs > welded on. How does someone do this flattening if you do not have access to > a hydraulic press? Is it acceptable to heat the metal and then flatten with > a vise or hammer?* > > *Tom* > *N328X* > > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:13 PM PST US From: "Mike Tunnicliffe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Propping a Corvair Hi, on my subaru I filed the slots in the distributor advance weights longer so static there is 0 advance, at idle it goes up to 8 degrees. It starts very easily with no kick back when pulling through slowly and it runs well. I think this would aid in hand propping a corvair as well. Regards Mike T. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:32 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Propping a Corvair Sorry to be dense, but what slots are you talking about and why would filing them alter the advance? Is it just the result of drilling lowering the mass of the advance weights? Thanks, Jeff > > >Hi, on my subaru I filed the slots in the distributor advance weights longer >so static there is 0 advance, at idle it goes up to 8 degrees. It starts >very easily with no kick back when pulling through slowly and it runs well. >I think this would aid in hand propping a corvair as well. >Regards Mike T. > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:07 PM PST US From: "Mike Tunnicliffe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Propping a Corvair Hi Jeff, extending the slots allows the springs to pull the weights in closer to the distributor shaft, this causes the cam to be retarded when the engine is not running. Very little material is removed. On the Subaru distributor there is a little room between the weights and the shaft at static, I don't know if this can easily be done on the Corvair distributor. The modification has transformed the Subaru when hand propping, I consider it to be much safer as well, due to less effort being required to prop the engine, it usually starts first blade when primed. Hope this helps, Mike T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Boatright" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Propping a Corvair > > Sorry to be dense, but what slots are you talking about and why would > filing them alter the advance? Is it just the result of drilling lowering > the mass of the advance weights? Thanks, Jeff > > >> >> >> >>Hi, on my subaru I filed the slots in the distributor advance weights >>longer >>so static there is 0 advance, at idle it goes up to 8 degrees. It starts >>very easily with no kick back when pulling through slowly and it runs >>well. >>I think this would aid in hand propping a corvair as well. >>Regards Mike T. >> > > > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:39 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Propping a Corvair Mike, Thanks much. I learned something today -- now I can go back to my nap! :) Jeff > >Hi Jeff, extending the slots allows the springs to pull the weights >in closer to the distributor shaft, this causes the cam to be >retarded when the engine is not running. Very little material is >removed. On the Subaru distributor there is a little room between >the weights and the shaft at static, I don't know if this can easily >be done on the Corvair distributor. The modification has transformed >the Subaru when hand propping, I consider it to be much safer as >well, due to less effort being required to prop the engine, it >usually starts first blade when primed. >Hope this helps, Mike T. -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH Progress report From: helspersew@aol.com Hello all, Well, I was out and about this evening just trying to taxi around and put some more time on the engine. After I had taxied for some time, I stopped at a friends for a moment and shut down the engine. Tried to start it up again and it would not kick over as it had done in the last few days. Gav e it a shot of prime and it started right up. I noticed also that at the slowest idle, she wanted to quit. So when I got back to base, I consulted with the Model A guru (across the taxiway) and he concluded that the quic ky carb cleaning we did the other day was not sufficient, and that we need to dismantle the entire carb tomorrow to do a thorough cleaning in some magic carb cleaner he has. So that is what we will do. Stay tuned to this station. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:42 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: local evening flight Tonight was a nice calm evening and I took advantage. I had about half fuel, and by belly was just about full enough to give me a perfect c/g (no trim system). I flew for about 30 min, and at least 10 of those without touching the stick. Both arms out and down gave me a decent pitch up, arms above the wing nosed down, both arms out the same side would give a little roll in the opposite direction. I have a lot of flight time to catch up on this year, due to building the hanger addition. I won't make brodhead, or probably any other big fly-ins this year, but I will try to fly the fabric off the ole girl any chance I get. The old corvair seems to be running like a top, knock, knock...on wood that is, The latex paint is latexing, and the flux capacitor is fluxing at 1.21 gigiwatts, if I get the time circuts fixed I am going back to 1932 Cherry Grove, to say thanks to old B.H. Pietenpol for one kick ass airplane design. Shad p.s. I thought about doing a half hour elt check while flying around, just to see if anyone would notice. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:23 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH Progress report Dan, Guess your ground time is time well-spent! If you do much more driving around you're going to need brake lights and turn signals. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 19 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX929DH Progress report Hello all, Well, I was out and about this evening just trying to taxi around and put some more time on the engine. After I had taxied for some time, I stopped at a friends for a moment and shut down the engine. Tried to start it up again and it would not kick over as it had done in the last few days. Gave it a shot of prime and it started right up. I noticed also that at the slowest idle, she wanted to quit. So when I got back to base, I consulted with the Model A guru (across the taxiway) and he concluded that the quicky carb cleaning we did the other day was not sufficient, and that we need to dismantle the entire carb tomorrow to do a thorough cleaning in some magic carb cleaner he has. So that is what we will do. Stay tuned to this station. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of new guy questions... From: "j_dunavin" got another one... So if i read the FAR's correctly, would the piet be considered an ELSA? I mean that's what it would be registered as? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302441#302441 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of new guy questions... From: Ryan Mueller Pietenpols are considered "Experimental amateur-built", and can be flown by sport pilots as long as the particular Piet meets the criteria for a light sport aircraft, which the design does unless you really screw it up. :P Ryan On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:15 PM, j_dunavin wrote: > > got another one... So if i read the FAR's correctly, would the piet be > considered an ELSA? I mean that's what it would be registered as? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302441#302441 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.