---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/29/10: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:07 AM - Re: Model A experiance (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 05:38 AM - my new engine arrived! (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 05:40 AM - Panel Layout (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 05:48 AM - Re: Panel Layout (Jack Phillips) 5. 08:44 AM - Re: Panel Layout (Jim Markle) 6. 08:47 AM - Re: Panel Layout (coxwelljon) 7. 08:49 AM - Re: Newby coming to Brodhead (Dale McCleskey) 8. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Newby coming to Brodhead (Dan Yocum) 9. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: Newby coming to Brodhead (John Hofmann) 10. 09:55 AM - Re: Denver area parts (Rick Holland) 11. 10:14 AM - Re: Newby coming to Brodhead (K5YAC) 12. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Newby coming to Brodhead (John Recine) 13. 03:52 PM - Re: Panel Layout (H RULE) 14. 05:16 PM - One Down! (echobravo4) 15. 05:38 PM - Re: One Down! (helspersew@aol.com) 16. 05:53 PM - Re: First flight! 1st dead stick landing...... ever (Allan Macklem) 17. 06:08 PM - Re: Panel Layout (Rick Holland) 18. 06:09 PM - Big Piet meets little Piet (Oscar Zuniga) 19. 06:22 PM - Re: One Down! (Rick Holland) 20. 06:23 PM - Re: One Down! (Gary Boothe) 21. 06:23 PM - FW: Panel Layout (Gary Boothe) 22. 06:32 PM - Re: One Down! (Kringle) 23. 06:36 PM - Re: Denver area parts (skellytown flyer) 24. 06:39 PM - Re: Panel Layout (H RULE) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A experiance From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Shad, Thank you for the advice. I am open to listening to ANY ideas about this. As a matter of fact, I heard through another person that Bill Knight thou ght that my problem was as you surmise, a tight new engine. At this point I am guessing that it was either ice, or tight bearings. But the thing is I could not duplicate any probs on the ground. But then again I never ran it that hard or long on the ground. So I am going to try to improve my ca rb heat system, and as the time passes the engine will get broken in. I am almost sure I will make Brodhead safely, but I will keep my head and not go if I feel unsafe. It is not worth it. See you soon I hope. Dan -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 6:15 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A experiance Dan, I am far from a model a expert, But I have had some exposure to drivi ng an old 1932 1/2 ford model a 1 ton truck. It does have a v-8 which is not the same engine. If the engine gets hot it can vapor lock easily at idle, just had it happen to me on friday night while dad was flying (of corse with your gravity feed that should not be an issue). If you engine is getting hot, and tight , that prop has much less inertia than a model a flywheel does, keep you approaches high, and if possible do some longer flights to help her break in. I don't claim to know as much as the model a fling piet guys, but listen to the experianced old timers, most of them know their stuff. Be patient, and if you need more ground/break in time take it, and don't get pressured in to "having" to make Brodhead, it will be there next year if you don't get there this year. I wish you the best of luck, congradulations, and congrats on that 1st dead stick! (butt tigh tening isn't it?). Shad ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:23 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: my new engine arrived! Ryan wrote- >If you're going to go for the British look you'll >have to find yourself a set of Roll-Royce O-200 >valve covers! :) When I began assembling parts for the A75 that is now on my airplane, I went looking for a matched set of valve covers since it had a mixed set of newer and older ones. I passed up a set of Rolls-Royce ones because that wasn't what I was looking for. I found mine on eBay... keep looking and be patient. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:33 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in 41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments are, and make sure you won't have interference between the instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach) need to be checked in particular. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:40 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout Jack, I disagree with Jeff about the T&B. I like having one (and it has saved my butt once when I got a little closer to clouds than I intended and had what seemed like about 2 minutes of actual IFR while I executed a 180 to get back in the clear). If you have a T&B, I think the center is the best place for it I agree with him that that a clock is not worth the panel space (with a Pietenpol, if you need to tell time you should use a calendar). I have a VSI where your clock is and find it very useful to see how slowly you are climbing. Two other comments. Where is your compass? And if you put your GPS that low, you are going to be flying "head down" a lot during cross countrys. My GPS is mounted on the upper right longeron at about the same height as yours and I wish it were higher. Remember that a Piet's instrument panel if VERY close to the pilot and looking at any instrument for very long requires significant downward vision angle. Otherwise it looks good. Looking forward to seeing it at Brodhead someday. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout Jack, Since you asked... I like my ASI top center, where your turn and bank is now. I don't think a full-blown turn and bank is needed in a Piet - I mounted a small slip indicator on top of the instrument panel, on the cowling. I got mine from Wicks for $26, part#B1114-2 but I don't see it at their website now. This puts the slip indicator and ASI right in front of my face, centered. I'd put the tach where the ASI is now, move the oil temp and pressure right up next to the tach - they're more important than the voltmeter and this clusters your engine instruments. Clock sure is handy, but does it need to be 3-1/8'? I think a VSI is more interesting; wish I had one. I like the com up high where you can see it. Sometimes I struggle to see if I've tuned the correct frequency because mine is too low and to the side. Well, like the body's evacuation chute surrounded by an annular muscle, everyone has an opinion! Jeff >I would appreciate any thoughts, good bad or ugly regarding my panel layout. >It can be seen here http://textors.com/IMG_4572_640x427.jpg . Transponder >will be ala JP in the center section. Intercom integrated in the >transceiver, right side. The rectangles at the bottom are (L to R) >Switches, starter pull, circuit breakers. I plan to move the starter pull >to the far left or underneath the panel to make it easier to route the cable >to the starter. Carb-heat, throttle and compass are not shown. >Suggest-away! >Thanks, >Jack >DSM -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:15 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout I think I would put all the engine stuff together. Move the oil pressure and oil temp together. My opinion on such matters has NO experience behind it...just makes more sense to me to look in an area and see all of whatever relates to one type of "issue"..... jm -----Original Message----- >From: Jack >Sent: Jun 28, 2010 8:57 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout > >I would appreciate any thoughts, good bad or ugly regarding my panel layout. >It can be seen here http://textors.com/IMG_4572_640x427.jpg . Transponder >will be ala JP in the center section. Intercom integrated in the >transceiver, right side. The rectangles at the bottom are (L to R) >Switches, starter pull, circuit breakers. I plan to move the starter pull >to the far left or underneath the panel to make it easier to route the cable >to the starter. Carb-heat, throttle and compass are not shown. >Suggest-away! >Thanks, >Jack >DSM > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Panel Layout From: "coxwelljon" Jack, The comments provided are all good ones especially from those that have flying airplanes. As said before the panel layout is a personal preference. I would add this. Go to the aviation magazines and cut out or copy pictures of actual instrument faces and place them in the locations you have selected. Then get some seat time, get in and make whirring noises, lean left and right, look out over the nose and make a landing or two while continuing a scan of the instruments. Try to imagine some unusual attitudes, a snap roll or loop and figure out what information you are going to need to make a safe recovery. Put the plane in 3 point and level flight attitude and see what difference it makes. Lastly be sure to log your time and count your landings. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302992#302992 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newby coming to Brodhead From: "Dale McCleskey" OK John and Mark, I can tell I've done got myself mixed up with a fun bunch. John, my wife, Cheryl just isn't an aviation enthusiast, so won't even be coming, and yet she insists on restricting my dating life, so yes. As far as I'm concerned, you can have the women though I think they may have something to say about it all. As for Brodhead, I can't wait, but I've got to refresh my cross country navigarion skills. -------- Dale McCleskey Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302993#302993 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:39 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newby coming to Brodhead Dale, If you can get your wife a ride in a Piet, or some other open cockpit airplane, she'll start to come around. Mine is slowly, but surely, becoming more embracing of my mistress at the airport. It helps that the kids are interested in the plane and flying, too. She hardly cringed at all, and didn't even look for a large, heavy object to throw at me, when she heard what it's going to cost to get the #4 cylinder repaired on my Piet. Cheers, Dan On 06/29/2010 10:48 AM, Dale McCleskey wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dale McCleskey" > > OK John and Mark, I can tell I've done got myself mixed up with a fun bunch. > John, my wife, Cheryl just isn't an aviation enthusiast, so won't even be coming, and yet she insists on restricting my dating life, so yes. As far as I'm concerned, you can have the women though I think they may have something to say about it all. As for Brodhead, I can't wait, but I've got to refresh my cross country navigarion skills. > > -------- > Dale McCleskey > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302993#302993 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:17 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newby coming to Brodhead Wimmin!? Next thing you know they will want to vote. "I knew she wasn't worth top billing." do not archive and please have a sense of humor John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 29, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Dale, > > If you can get your wife a ride in a Piet, or some other open cockpit airplane, she'll start to come around. Mine is slowly, but surely, becoming more embracing of my mistress at the airport. It helps that the kids are interested in the plane and flying, too. > > She hardly cringed at all, and didn't even look for a large, heavy object to throw at me, when she heard what it's going to cost to get the #4 cylinder repaired on my Piet. > > Cheers, > Dan > > > > On 06/29/2010 10:48 AM, Dale McCleskey wrote: >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dale McCleskey" >> >> OK John and Mark, I can tell I've done got myself mixed up with a fun bunch. >> John, my wife, Cheryl just isn't an aviation enthusiast, so won't even be coming, and yet she insists on restricting my dating life, so yes. As far as I'm concerned, you can have the women though I think they may have something to say about it all. As for Brodhead, I can't wait, but I've got to refresh my cross country navigarion skills. >> >> -------- >> Dale McCleskey >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302993#302993 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Denver area parts From: Rick Holland Duff is the only place I know of near I-70 and Quebec St. East of Denver. Owned and run by the orneriest old geezer you ever met (already checked for old J-3 wing struts with no luck but he may have some now). http://www.jwduffaircraft.com/ On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:41 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: > skellflyer1@yahoo.com> > > do any of you know whether there may be any aircraft salvages in the Lamar > to Denver area? I have to take a load of equipment up from Texas across > southeast Colorado area to Aurora. if I thought there was anyone along the > route that might have some old 6" wheels and brakes that might work on my > gear legs for sale worth the money I'd sure be interested in checking them > out.I'll likely stay overnight somewhere around Lamar anyway. it's a long > trip up and back. Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302933#302933 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newby coming to Brodhead From: "K5YAC" yocum137 wrote: > Dale, > > If you can get your wife a ride in a Piet, or some other open cockpit > airplane, she'll start to come around. I'd have to second that idea. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303008#303008 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newby coming to Brodhead From: "John Recine" Just point a course to Mecca and brodhead is directly at your 12:00. No women? Well then, do not archive John ------Original Message------ From: Dale McCleskey Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newby coming to Brodhead Sent: Jun 29, 2010 11:48 AM OK John and Mark, I can tell I've done got myself mixed up with a fun bunch. John, my wife, Cheryl just isn't an aviation enthusiast, so won't even be coming, and yet she insists on restricting my dating life, so yes. As far as I'm concerned, you can have the women though I think they may have something to say about it all. As for Brodhead, I can't wait, but I've got to refresh my cross country navigarion skills. -------- Dale McCleskey Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302993#302993 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:26 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are shorter.Som etimes they combine two different- instruments in one such as CHT (cylind er head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need such things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming from it th e better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your own per sonal happiness with what you want is-the best.The way you have it now ma y be just the way you want it. --=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________________ ______=0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga =0ATo: Pietenpol List

=0ASent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM=0ASubjec Oscar Zuniga =0A=0A=0AJack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing=0Aso I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've=0Aalready seen here.- Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI i n=0A41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to=0Awork just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables=0Across inside the top cowl wher e the backs of the instruments=0Aare, and make sure you won't have interfer ence between the=0Ainstruments and the cables.- Deeper instruments, or th ose=0Awith hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)=0Aneed to be checked in particular.=0A=0AOscar Zuniga=0AAir Camper NX41CC=0ASan Antonio , TX=0Amailto: taildrags@hotmail.com=0Awebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.ne ============ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: One Down! From: "echobravo4" in an effort to break up the monotony of little stick cutting- i decided to cut all the pieces for a complete rib and build one. only 29 more! after i finish cutting all those little plywood pieces! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303041#303041 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1strib_123.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One Down! From: helspersew@aol.com Earl, That is precisely how I completed my airplane. Just strive to complete the next piece, whatever it is. Whenever you can. Keep on plugging. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: echobravo4 Sent: Tue, Jun 29, 2010 7:16 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: One Down! in an effort to break up the monotony of little stick cutting- i decided to ut all the pieces for a complete rib and build one. only 29 more! fter i finish cutting all those little plywood pieces! -------- arl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up wh ere I ntended to be. ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303041#303041 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1strib_123.jpg -======================== ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:48 PM PST US From: "Allan Macklem" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight! 1st dead stick landing...... ever =======AVGMAIL-26D976A0=======-- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout From: Rick Holland Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine instruments in one 3 1/4" hole. rick On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE wrote: > If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are > shorter.Sometimes they combine two different instruments in one such as CHT > (cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need such > things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming from > it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your own > personal happiness with what you want is the best.The way you have it now > may be just the way you want it. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Oscar Zuniga > *To:* Pietenpol List > *Sent:* Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout > > > > Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing > so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've > already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in > 41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to > work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables > cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments > are, and make sure you won't have interference between the > instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those > with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach) > need to be checked in particular. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net href=" > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank; > -Matt Dralle, Listion" ====== > > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:14 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big Piet meets little Piet I hope to have pictures later this summer of my (Corky's) airplane side-by-side with a 50% scale model of NX41CC. The model is being built here in TX and will be powered by a 20HP motor. Yes, the wingspan is 15 ft. and the chord is 30". A gentleman (obviously, a model builder) was so taken with 41CC that he just had to build a model of it. I've seen some of the rest of his collection and he builds FABULOUS ones. Some really amazing, flying, RC models. Stay tuned. And if it can be safely done, we may just have to do a formation flight ;o) Talk about disconcerting the masses; wait till we fly in to the airport together and some unsuspecting observer gets a glimpse-! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One Down! From: Rick Holland And a real nice Pietenpol model hanging from the ceiling. The fun is just beginning. rick On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:16 PM, echobravo4 wrote: > > in an effort to break up the monotony of little stick cutting- i decided to > cut all the pieces for a complete rib and build one. only 29 more! > after i finish cutting all those little plywood pieces! > > -------- > Earl Brown > > I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up > where I intended to be. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303041#303041 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1strib_123.jpg > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:57 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One Down! Earl, Or you could do like me, and stretch out the monotony of cutting little sticks for 2+ years!!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of echobravo4 Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 5:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: One Down! in an effort to break up the monotony of little stick cutting- i decided to cut all the pieces for a complete rib and build one. only 29 more! after i finish cutting all those little plywood pieces! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303041#303041 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1strib_123.jpg ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:57 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: FW: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine instruments in one 3 1/4" hole. rick On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE wrote: If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are shorter.Sometimes they combine two different instruments in one such as CHT (cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need such things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming from it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your own personal happiness with what you want is the best.The way you have it now may be just the way you want it. _____ From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in 41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments are, and make sure you won't have interference between the instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach) need to be checked in particular. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank; -Matt Dralle, Listion" ====== " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down! From: "Kringle" That's one more than I have built! Keep on keepin on. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303055#303055 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Denver area parts From: "skellytown flyer" Thanks Rick. I should have asked earlier.I made it to the place I needed to drop off the parts directly north of the Air bas and started home-got as far as Springfield before shutting down for the night.I will see about calling him anyway thanks to the link.appreciate it. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303056#303056 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:24 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout It's not the number of instruments on the panel for space he was concerned about.He is concerned about the length of the instruments going behide the panel.How far in it travels before it hits the control cables.The ultraligh t instuments are very short.Only 1" or 1 1/2-" long compared to 3 or 4 in ches.-Just a word of advice;while building your instrument panel I would have it at an angle,further out at the bottom and further in at the top so it is easy to see when flying.I am going to have to modify mine.I can't see half the instruments unless I bend over or slunk down in the seat.=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Rick Holland =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, June 29, 2010 9:08 :22 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout=0A=0AOr if you are reall y hurting for space you can have all your engine instruments in one 3 1/4" hole.=0A=0Arick=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE wrote:=0A=0AIf there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are shorter.Sometimes they combine two different- instruments in one such as CHT (cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now yo u may not need such things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming from it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set u p,I agree that your own personal happiness with what you want is-the best .The way you have it now may be just the way you want it. --=0A>=0A>=0A >=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga =0A>To: Pietenpol List =0A>Sent: Tue, J une 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout=0A>=0A>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga =0A> =0A>=0A>Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing=0A>so I won 't offer any suggestions different from what you've=0A>already seen here. - Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in=0A>41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to=0A>work just as well; (2) consider that the ail eron cables=0A>cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments =0A>are, and make sure you won't have interference between the=0A>instrumen ts and the cables.- Deeper instruments, or those=0A>with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)=0A>need to be checked in particular.=0A >=0A>Oscar Zuniga=0A>Air Camper NX41CC=0A>San Antonio, TX=0A>mailto: taildr ags@hotmail.com=0A>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- -- - --- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" ta rget=_blank; - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, Listion" = =======0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>" target="_blank">http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>tp://forums.matronics.com=0A>_b lank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0ARick Holl and=0ACastle Rock, Colorado=0A=0A"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" =0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.