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1. 03:21 AM - Re: Panel Layout (Jack)
2. 03:43 AM - Re: Panel Layout (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 04:03 AM - Re: Panel Layout-- NOW passenger shoulder harness assy. vs. instruments vs. windshiled vs. aileron cables-- out of room? (Tim Willis)
4. 04:04 AM - Re: Pro-Seal or Chem Seal (Jeff wilson)
5. 04:11 AM - Re: Panel Layout (Scott Knowlton)
6. 04:43 AM - Re: One Down! (echobravo4)
7. 06:07 AM - Re: Pro-Seal or Chem Seal (Gary Boothe)
8. 06:56 AM - Re: One Down! (K5YAC)
9. 07:30 AM - Re: One Down! (K5YAC)
10. 07:46 AM - Test - Please disregard. (kevinpurtee)
11. 07:47 AM - Re: One Down! (TOM STINEMETZE)
12. 08:36 AM - Re: FW: Panel Layout (Rick Holland)
13. 08:42 AM - Re: One Down! (Kringle)
14. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: One Down! (Rick Holland)
15. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: One Down! (Matthew VanDervort)
16. 09:19 AM - Electrical (Gary Boothe)
17. 09:20 AM - Re: One Down! (K5YAC)
18. 11:10 AM - Re: Bet you never saw one of these? (flea)
19. 11:39 AM - compass location, panel layout (shad bell)
20. 11:51 AM - Re: compass location, panel layout (Jack Phillips)
21. 12:09 PM - Re: compass location, panel layout (Jeff Boatright)
22. 12:43 PM - Re: compass location, panel layout (H RULE)
23. 12:55 PM - Re: Model A experiance (BYD)
24. 05:20 PM - Re: One Down! (echobravo4)
25. 06:19 PM - Re: Electrical (skellytown flyer)
26. 07:36 PM - Re: Photos of First Flight NX929DH (Pieti Lowell)
27. 08:40 PM - Fin area? (John Fay)
28. 08:57 PM - Re: Pietenpol in DFW area (jpkarrera)
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Great comments all, and very helpful, thanks! I'm going to make some noises
next time I sit in the cockpit! Not sure on compass location, probably on
top of the cowling. I have a calendar on the PDA so who needs a clock!
Actually, I planned to use it because I have it. It's the only antique
"gauge" on the panel. It's an old Russian chronograph that keeps great
time. I lengthened the enclosure (one inch)to allow room for the turn and
bank but I'm going back to drawing table to refine the layout to be sure
everything clears those aileron cables.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:19 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Jack,
I disagree with Jeff about the T&B. I like having one (and it has saved my
butt once when I got a little closer to clouds than I intended and had what
seemed like about 2 minutes of actual IFR while I executed a 180 to get back
in the clear). If you have a T&B, I think the center is the best place for
it
I agree with him that that a clock is not worth the panel space (with a
Pietenpol, if you need to tell time you should use a calendar). I have a
VSI where your clock is and find it very useful to see how slowly you are
climbing.
Two other comments. Where is your compass? And if you put your GPS that
low, you are going to be flying "head down" a lot during cross countrys. My
GPS is mounted on the upper right longeron at about the same height as yours
and I wish it were higher. Remember that a Piet's instrument panel if VERY
close to the pilot and looking at any instrument for very long requires
significant downward vision angle.
Otherwise it looks good. Looking forward to seeing it at Brodhead someday.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Jack,
Since you asked...
I like my ASI top center, where your turn and bank is now. I don't
think a full-blown turn and bank is needed in a Piet - I mounted a
small slip indicator on top of the instrument panel, on the cowling.
I got mine from Wicks for $26, part#B1114-2 but I don't see it at
their website now. This puts the slip indicator and ASI right in
front of my face, centered.
I'd put the tach where the ASI is now, move the oil temp and pressure
right up next to the tach - they're more important than the voltmeter
and this clusters your engine instruments.
Clock sure is handy, but does it need to be 3-1/8'? I think a VSI is
more interesting; wish I had one.
I like the com up high where you can see it. Sometimes I struggle to
see if I've tuned the correct frequency because mine is too low and
to the side.
Well, like the body's evacuation chute surrounded by an annular
muscle, everyone has an opinion!
Jeff
>I would appreciate any thoughts, good bad or ugly regarding my panel
layout.
>It can be seen here http://textors.com/IMG_4572_640x427.jpg . Transponder
>will be ala JP in the center section. Intercom integrated in the
>transceiver, right side. The rectangles at the bottom are (L to R)
>Switches, starter pull, circuit breakers. I plan to move the starter pull
>to the far left or underneath the panel to make it easier to route the
cable
>to the starter. Carb-heat, throttle and compass are not shown.
>Suggest-away!
>Thanks,
>Jack
>DSM
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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Subject: | Re: Panel Layout |
One thing that needs to be taken into consideration is if you plan to put
front seat harnesses in. Those brackets take up a lot of space.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:18 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Great comments all, and very helpful, thanks! I'm going to make some nois
es
ext time I sit in the cockpit! Not sure on compass location, probably on
op of the cowling. I have a calendar on the PDA so who needs a clock!
ctually, I planned to use it because I have it. It's the only antique
gauge" on the panel. It's an old Russian chronograph that keeps great
ime. I lengthened the enclosure (one inch)to allow room for the turn and
ank but I'm going back to drawing table to refine the layout to be sure
verything clears those aileron cables.
hanks,
ack
SM
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rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
hillips
ent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:19 AM
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
ubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Jack,
I disagree with Jeff about the T&B. I like having one (and it has saved
my
utt once when I got a little closer to clouds than I intended and had what
eemed like about 2 minutes of actual IFR while I executed a 180 to get bac
k
n the clear). If you have a T&B, I think the center is the best place for
t
I agree with him that that a clock is not worth the panel space (with a
ietenpol, if you need to tell time you should use a calendar). I have a
SI where your clock is and find it very useful to see how slowly you are
limbing.
Two other comments. Where is your compass? And if you put your GPS that
ow, you are going to be flying "head down" a lot during cross countrys.
My
PS is mounted on the upper right longeron at about the same height as your
s
nd I wish it were higher. Remember that a Piet's instrument panel if VERY
lose to the pilot and looking at any instrument for very long requires
ignificant downward vision angle.
Otherwise it looks good. Looking forward to seeing it at Brodhead someday
.
Jack Phillips
X899JP
aleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
oatright
ent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:41 PM
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
ubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Jack,
Since you asked...
I like my ASI top center, where your turn and bank is now. I don't
hink a full-blown turn and bank is needed in a Piet - I mounted a
mall slip indicator on top of the instrument panel, on the cowling.
got mine from Wicks for $26, part#B1114-2 but I don't see it at
heir website now. This puts the slip indicator and ASI right in
ront of my face, centered.
I'd put the tach where the ASI is now, move the oil temp and pressure
ight up next to the tach - they're more important than the voltmeter
nd this clusters your engine instruments.
Clock sure is handy, but does it need to be 3-1/8'? I think a VSI is
ore interesting; wish I had one.
I like the com up high where you can see it. Sometimes I struggle to
ee if I've tuned the correct frequency because mine is too low and
o the side.
Well, like the body's evacuation chute surrounded by an annular
uscle, everyone has an opinion!
Jeff
I would appreciate any thoughts, good bad or ugly regarding my panel
ayout.
It can be seen here http://textors.com/IMG_4572_640x427.jpg . Transponder
will be ala JP in the center section. Intercom integrated in the
transceiver, right side. The rectangles at the bottom are (L to R)
Switches, starter pull, circuit breakers. I plan to move the starter pull
to the far left or underneath the panel to make it easier to route the
able
to the starter. Carb-heat, throttle and compass are not shown.
Suggest-away!
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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ssociate Professor of Ophthalmology
mory University School of Medicine
ditor-in-Chief
olecular Vision
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Subject: | Re: Panel Layout-- NOW passenger shoulder harness assy. |
vs. instruments vs. windshiled vs. aileron cables-- out of room?
Good point, Dan. Fitting the instruments, the cables, and a windshield in there,
with my cabanes tilted back, is problematic enough. There is no room on
my Piet for a steel harness attachment mount. In fact, I will have to use fairleads
to very slightly route aileron cables to clear instruments.
Alternatively, back to harness, one can have a passenger shoulder harness attached
with cables, as Oscar, Bill Rewey, and others have done in different ways.
Tim in central TX
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From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Jun 30, 2010 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
One thing that needs to be taken into consideration is if you plan to put front
seat harnesses in. Those brackets take up a lot of space.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Pro-Seal or Chem Seal |
I think it just depends on the paint and what is the solvent carrier. The
solvent in latex paint is water. It won't stick, but a VOC type solvent as
in lacqer or dope would probably work. On the other hand some solvents will
eat right thru and soften the underlying paint or chem seal. An oil based
paint may be a good choice to try and possibly polyurethane which is my per
sonal favorite.
Guess this is really no answer at all, just my thoughts.
Flyin low and slow.
Jeff Wilson
NX899WT
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Subject: | Re: Panel Layout |
Jack, Along with Dan and other's comments on saving space might I respectfully
add an additional point regarding your desire to include a turn and bank indicator?
Given the complexity (electric, vacuum or venturi) and size and weight
of the instrument I really question its value in the Pietenpol. The ball portion
of course is highly desired but by itself is small and can easily go where
it belongs at the top of the panel dead centre. The needle (or little airplane
if it is a turn coordinator rather than turn and bank) simply indicates direction
and rate of heading change... Not angle of bank. The use of this instrument
as a guide when inadvertantly entering cloud is hazardous because it really
only gives accurate information in coordinated flight (I don't think there
have been many coordinated losses of control in IMC). You could have a high
angle of bank with opposite yaw and your needle would be centred. Look at the
instrument next time you do an aggressive sideslip. The needle is vertical.
Its use was normally backed up by an attitude indicator in an instrument scan.
Your airplane is a VFR machine and I'm sure your intentions are to operate
it with due regard to the weather just like a cub, champ or Taylorcraft. You
won't see a turn and bank indicator in many of those old birds either. My advice,
sell it on EBay and make room for your passengers' shoulder harness brackets.
For what it is worth.
Scott Knowlton
Slow builder, Burlington ON.
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
One thing that needs to be taken into consideration is if you plan to put front
seat harnesses in. Those brackets take up a lot of space.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 5:18 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Great comments all, and very helpful, thanks! I'm going to make some noises
next time I sit in the cockpit! Not sure on compass location, probably on
top of the cowling. I have a calendar on the PDA so who needs a clock!
Actually, I planned to use it because I have it. It's the only antique
"gauge" on the panel. It's an old Russian chronograph that keeps great
time. I lengthened the enclosure (one inch)to allow room for the turn and
bank but I'm going back to drawing table to refine the layout to be sure
everything clears those aileron cables.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:19 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Jack,
I disagree with Jeff about the T&B. I like having one (and it has saved my
butt once when I got a little closer to clouds than I intended and had what
seemed like about 2 minutes of actual IFR while I executed a 180 to get back
in the clear). If you have a T&B, I think the center is the best place for
it
I agree with him that that a clock is not worth the panel space (with a
Pietenpol, if you need to tell time you should use a calendar). I have a
VSI where your clock is and find it very useful to see how slowly you are
climbing.
Two other comments. Where is your compass? And if you put your GPS that
low, you are going to be flying "head down" a lot during cross countrys. My
GPS is mounted on the upper right longeron at about the same height as yours
and I wish it were higher. Remember that a Piet's instrument panel if VERY
close to the pilot and looking at any instrument for very long requires
significant downward vision angle.
Otherwise it looks good. Looking forward to seeing it at Brodhead someday.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Jack,
Since you asked...
I like my ASI top center, where your turn and bank is now. I don't
think a full-blown turn and bank is needed in a Piet - I mounted a
small slip indicator on top of the instrument panel, on the cowling.
I got mine from Wicks for $26, part#B1114-2 but I don't see it at
their website now. This puts the slip indicator and ASI right in
front of my face, centered.
I'd put the tach where the ASI is now, move the oil temp and pressure
right up next to the tach - they're more important than the voltmeter
and this clusters your engine instruments.
Clock sure is handy, but does it need to be 3-1/8'? I think a VSI is
more interesting; wish I had one.
I like the com up high where you can see it. Sometimes I struggle to
see if I've tuned the correct frequency because mine is too low and
to the side.
Well, like the body's evacuation chute surrounded by an annular
muscle, everyone has an opinion!
Jeff
>I would appreciate any thoughts, good bad or ugly regarding my panel
layout.
>It can be seen here http://textors.com/IMG_4572_640x427.jpg . Transponder
>will be ala JP in the center section. Intercom integrated in the
>transceiver, right side. The rectangles at the bottom are (L to R)
>Switches, starter pull, circuit breakers. I plan to move the starter pull
>to the far left or underneath the panel to make it easier to route the
cable
>to the starter. Carb-heat, throttle and compass are not shown.
>Suggest-away!
>Thanks,
>Jack
>DSM
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
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Gary-
i did notice that your signature now says 20 ribs not 18! [Laughing]
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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Subject: | Pro-Seal or Chem Seal |
Good thoughts, Jeff. I'll do some bond tests if I decide to go down that
path.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff wilson
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:04 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pro-Seal or Chem Seal
I think it just depends on the paint and what is the solvent carrier. The
solvent in latex paint is water. It won't stick, but a VOC type solvent as
in lacqer or dope would probably work. On the other hand some solvents will
eat right thru and soften the underlying paint or chem seal. An oil based
paint may be a good choice to try and possibly polyurethane which is my
personal favorite.
Guess this is really no answer at all, just my thoughts.
Flyin low and slow.
Jeff Wilson
NX899WT
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Beautiful work on that first rib!
I'd like to make a suggestion if I could. I know you said you wanted to break
up the monotony by making pieces for one rib at a time, but in order to make consistent
parts, and save time in the long run, I'd like to suggest that you fire
up that belt/disk sander I see in your photo and knock out all the parts in
batches.
I'm sure there are 1000 different ways to achieve the same goal, but I found it
to be beneficial to set up an assembly line with all the parts ready to assemble
and then just start banging them out. Again, this was just one approach,
but by making a master part for each diagonal, upright, gusset, etc. I was able
to lay those on the capstrip, mark the length and angles and rip out a batch
of parts in no time. I'd cut the capstrip with the band saw and shape the angles
on the disk sander. After a few days, I had all the parts I needed to complete
all the ribs. I just don't think it would be that efficient to stop, retool
and fabricate each piece as needed to complete a rib.
After all the parts were fabricated, I could build a rib in ~90 minutes using the
glue/nail technique. In addition... I have all of my master parts. If I needed
to construct another rib (or ribs), I could make them identical to the originals.
I know this isn't a race, I just like to make efficient use of my time. Enjoy
the process, and like Dan said... keep plugging.
The photos below only show a fraction of the parts I had to cut, but honestly,
once I made a nice fitting master part, duplicating it 30 times went really quick.
Then it is just a matter of assembly.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/gussets1_111.jpg
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A couple more items... you mentioned "cutting all those little plywood pieces."
I would recommend making a nice fitting gusset for each location, rough cut
a stack of parts , trace the shape on the top piece and shape the whole stack
on the belt/disk sander. Seriously, there are nearly 1200 gussets in the wings...
don't make them individually. [Shocked]
Also, you are doing yourself a big favor by not adding the additional upright around
the spars. One upright on either side of the main spars (as per the drawing)
is sufficient. I read something about doing double uprights, which seemed
to make sense at the time, but it was a PITA when it came time to put the ribs
on the spars.
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Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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Subject: | Test - Please disregard. |
do not archive
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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<The photos below only show a fraction of the parts I had to cut, but
honestly, once I made a nice fitting master part, duplicating it 30 times
went really quick. Then it is just a matter of >assembly.
>Mark Chouinard
I would like to echo Mark's comments. Once you have carefully created all
those little parts for one rib, just duplicate them and store in separate
piles for quick assembly later. If you don't have those fancy smancy
plastic hanging trays to store them in just use common plastic tubs that
once held butter, cottage cheese, guacamole, etc. My wife quickly saved
enough of those for me that I still have a couple dozen lying around the
shop. A second benefit is that you also will have all the lids that came
with those tubs and they are perfect for mixing T-88 in small batches.
One additional suggestion. Sand the glaze off your sheet of gusset
material before you cut out all the gussets! This will save you a lot of
sore fingertips if you have to do it later.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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Subject: | Re: Panel Layout |
Simplicate and add lightness, the whole thing only weighs 200 grams and
replaces over 10 separate instruments. Yes I know, it doesn't look cool
except to some young computer geek (but i'm an old computer geek).
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!!
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (20 ribs down=85)
>
> Do not archive
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
>
>
> Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine
> instruments in one 3 1/4" hole.
>
> rick
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are
> shorter.Sometimes they combine two different instruments in one such as
CHT
> (cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need suc
h
> things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming f
rom
> it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your
own
> personal happiness with what you want is the best.The way you have it now
> may be just the way you want it.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> *To:* Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
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> Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing
> so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've
> already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in
> 41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to
> work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables
> cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments
> are, and make sure you won't have interference between the
> instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those
> with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)
> need to be checked in particular.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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Stop it! I say stop it! All this talk about starting on ribs has me frothing
at the mouth. I don't have my plan or wood yet!
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Well! Just do it.
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
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I could always use some help sanding :)
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Rick,
If I had a miniscule piece of your understanding of electronics, I probably
wouldn't be struggling with my electrical system. I have four different
wiring diagrams, but none the same, and none representing my system (super
simple).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Simplicate and add lightness, the whole thing only weighs 200 grams and
replaces over 10 separate instruments. Yes I know, it doesn't look cool
except to some young computer geek (but i'm an old computer geek).
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine
instruments in one 3 1/4" hole.
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are
shorter.Sometimes they combine two different instruments in one such as CHT
(cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need such
things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming from
it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your own
personal happiness with what you want is the best.The way you have it now
may be just the way you want it.
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing
so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've
already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in
41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to
work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables
cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments
are, and make sure you won't have interference between the
instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those
with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)
need to be checked in particular.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank;
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> One additional suggestion. Sand the glaze off your sheet of gusset material
before you cut out all the gussets! This will save you a lot of sore fingertips
if you have to do it later.
> Tom Stinemetze
> N328X
> [b]
Yeah, that sanding tip is a biggie... should be tip #1, but I forgot about it...
again. I ended up sanding every gusset individually with emery boards. It
really wasn't too bad, but I wish I had just sanded my sheet before I cut it.
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Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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Subject: | Re: Bet you never saw one of these? |
j_dunavin wrote:
> HA can you imagine if you would hit a dear with that?! [Shocked]
I never sausage a thing.
Sorry, "bet you never saw one of these" + "imagine if you hit a deer with that"
= processed meat jokes. I'll go back to my room now.
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Subject: | compass location, panel layout |
One thing to consider with mounting location for a mag compass, is your cab
ane "X" brace wires.- If they are galvanized they will contribute to erro
rs in the compass, stainless wires should not affect the compass.- Of cou
rse if you use a GPS (which I don't have) it would not be as big a deal.-
Any non shielded wire carring current will also throw the comass off a lit
tle.- Just some things to consider when laying out a panel.- One more t
hing about performing a compass swing for calibration, you will want any an
d all electrical systems powered up as they would be in flight to get the m
ost accurate calibration.-
-
Shad
- P.S. for you lucky guys, Brodhead is getting close, hope you all have a
ball, safe journies and good tailwinds.=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | compass location, panel layout |
And put your stick in level flight position. Moving the stick around can
also move your compass, by enough to get you good and lost.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: compass location, panel layout
One thing to consider with mounting location for a mag compass, is your
cabane "X" brace wires. If they are galvanized they will contribute to
errors in the compass, stainless wires should not affect the compass. Of
course if you use a GPS (which I don't have) it would not be as big a deal.
Any non shielded wire carring current will also throw the comass off a
little. Just some things to consider when laying out a panel. One more
thing about performing a compass swing for calibration, you will want any
and all electrical systems powered up as they would be in flight to get the
most accurate calibration.
Shad
P.S. for you lucky guys, Brodhead is getting close, hope you all have a
ball, safe journies and good tailwinds.
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Subject: | compass location, panel layout |
Tell me again, why do we have these things? No matter where I place
the compass on our Piet, if it's viewable from the cockpit, it ain't
reading right. And I've tried a couple of different compasses.
>And put your stick in level flight position. Moving the stick
>around can also move your compass, by enough to get you good and
>lost.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
>bell
>Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:35 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: compass location, panel layout
>
>One thing to consider with mounting location for a mag compass, is
>your cabane "X" brace wires. If they are galvanized they will
>contribute to errors in the compass, stainless wires should not
>affect the compass. Of course if you use a GPS (which I don't have)
>it would not be as big a deal. Any non shielded wire carring
>current will also throw the comass off a little. Just some things
>to consider when laying out a panel. One more thing about
>performing a compass swing for calibration, you will want any and
>all electrical systems powered up as they would be in flight to get
>the most accurate calibration.
>
>Shad
> P.S. for you lucky guys, Brodhead is getting close, hope you all
>have a ball, safe journies and good tailwinds.
>
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Subject: | Re: compass location, panel layout |
I never use the compass anymore.It's just there for decoration.I always use
GPS and if that goes down use the iron compass(railways) or IFR(I follow r
oads)Always have your map handy on your knee pad and if you need it then it
's there.We fly slow enough to read the road signs.Do like they did in the
old days;land and ask "where the hell am I?"=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0AFrom: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-
list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, June 30, 2010 2:34:42 PM=0ASubject: Pietenp
ol-List: compass location, panel layout=0A=0A=0AOne thing to consider with
mounting location for a mag compass, is your cabane "X" brace wires.- If
they are galvanized they will contribute to errors in the compass, stainles
s wires should not affect the compass.- Of course if you use a GPS (which
I don't have) it would not be as big a deal.- Any non shielded wire carr
ing current will also throw the comass off a little.- Just some things to
consider when laying out a panel.- One more thing about performing a com
pass swing for calibration, you will want any and all electrical systems po
wered up as they would be in flight to get the most accurate calibration.
- =0A=0AShad=0A- P.S. for you lucky guys, Brodhead is getting close, ho
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Subject: | Re: Model A experiance |
Don't know if youre still working down this path, but I remembered seeing this photo of a shroud around the carburetor and some of the intake apparently to avoid carb-ice. Its the only application like this Ive seen but thought Id bring it to your attention in case it could help. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chet%20Heartly/NX920Y_4.jpg
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Thanks for the tips everybody!
i do actually have all the capstrip cut already-(and the sander got ALOT of use!)
and i do have a similar bin setup to yours Mark, but, while cutting the gussets
i just got a little ahead of myself and finished one set of gussets for a
rib-
i should have all of the remaining gussets cut by the weekend!
:D
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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there are some who like the digital thing-I don't.but this project has an EIS instrument
that reads EGT CHT oil pressure and temp, tachometer and outside air
temp.I'm not sure what else.but I plan on removing it at some point.may put it
on E-bay.seems to me like if I see oil temp and pressure and tach each on separate
instruments it is easier to focus my attention on. I would like to temporarily
check my head temp but once I determine it is cooling adequately and know
my air scoops are doing their job I'd as soon not have it. guess I am not
high tech.Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Photos of First Flight NX929DH |
Congrats Dan, My mind ran back to my first as the smoke curled from the loud bark
of the Ford, just after moving toward one of the greatest feelings a pilot
can have. It is not fear , Dan as you now know , it is excitement , stirred by
adrenalin rush.
A great adventure continues.
Pieti Lowell
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List,
In another couple weeks I plan to start work on the fin and rudder. Years
ago I read that one of the builders had expanded his fin. If I remember
right, he said he added about six inches to the front of it. I must have
read it in the BPANewsletter. Bernard P. himself said that extending the
nose for W & B purposes makes it a little harder to straighten back out when
recovering from a slip. I think that last week someone even mentioned here
that it takes a positive reversal of rudder to straighten out after the slip
in their Piet.
I have already extended the fuselage, ahead of the CG, by moving the
firewall 4 inches forward. I am strongly considering making this modest
increase in the fin area. Any pros or cons about this?
(We're counting the days to Brodhead.)
John Fay
in Peoria, IL
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol in DFW area |
Thank you very much for all the responses!
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