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1. 04:14 AM - Re: Photos of First Flight NX929DH (echobravo4)
2. 04:24 AM - Re: Fin area? (Dan Yocum)
3. 04:34 AM - Antique Airfield, 4th annual Homebuilt Fly-in, IA27, July 2nd and 3rd (Jack)
4. 04:42 AM - Re: compass location, panel layout (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 05:05 AM - Re: Fin area? (Dan Yocum)
6. 05:07 AM - Re: Antique Airfield, 4th annual Homebuilt Fly-in, IA27, July 2nd and 3rd (Dan Yocum)
7. 05:24 AM - time is close and we are counting down (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
8. 05:28 AM - Pin Nailer (Kringle)
9. 05:42 AM - Re: Fin area? (Ben Charvet)
10. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: One Down! (greg menoche)
11. 05:43 AM - Re: Fin area? (Ben Charvet)
12. 05:43 AM - Re: Pin Nailer (Ben Charvet)
13. 05:47 AM - Re: Pin Nailer (Gene Rambo)
14. 05:51 AM - office staple gun (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
15. 06:02 AM - Re: time is close and we are counting down (Ryan Mueller)
16. 06:11 AM - Re: office staple gun (TOM STINEMETZE)
17. 06:29 AM - Re: time is close and we are counting down (Jim Markle)
18. 06:33 AM - Re: time is close and we are counting down (John Recine)
19. 06:33 AM - Re: office staple gun (Ryan Mueller)
20. 06:41 AM - Re: compass location, panel layout (Jeff Boatright)
21. 06:43 AM - Re: office staple gun (TOM STINEMETZE)
22. 07:02 AM - Re: Pin Nailer (Jack Phillips)
23. 07:02 AM - seen at post office (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
24. 07:03 AM - Re: Pin Nailer (Jack Phillips)
25. 07:03 AM - Re: office staple gun (Jerry Dotson)
26. 07:11 AM - Re: Antique Airfield, 4th annual Homebuilt Fly-in, IA27, July 2nd and 3rd (Perry Rhoads)
27. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: office staple gun (Jack Phillips)
28. 07:23 AM - Re: time is close and we are counting down (K5YAC)
29. 07:25 AM - Re: Electrical (Rick Holland)
30. 07:27 AM - Re: seen at post office (K5YAC)
31. 07:28 AM - Re: office staple gun (Jack Phillips)
32. 07:34 AM - Re: Pin Nailer (Kringle)
33. 07:38 AM - Re: Electrical (Gary Boothe)
34. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: time is close and we are counting down (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
35. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: time is close and we are counting down (Gary Boothe)
36. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: time is close and we are counting down (Dan Yocum)
37. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: time is close and we are counting down (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
38. 08:02 AM - Re: seen at post office (Jim Markle)
39. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: time is close and we are counting down (John Hofmann)
40. 08:15 AM - categories of builders (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
41. 08:29 AM - Re: Re: time is close and we are counting down (John Recine)
42. 08:40 AM - John Recine (John Hofmann)
43. 08:40 AM - Re: office staple gun (airlion)
44. 08:46 AM - Re: Fin area? (kevinpurtee)
45. 08:50 AM - Re: time is close and we are counting down (K5YAC)
46. 08:59 AM - Re: categories of builders (kevinpurtee)
47. 09:01 AM - fuss about rust (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
48. 09:02 AM - beer and brats (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
49. 09:18 AM - which power plant??? (j_dunavin)
50. 09:36 AM - Re: time is close and we are counting down (Kringle)
51. 09:48 AM - Re: which power plant??? (Ryan Mueller)
52. 09:49 AM - Re: time is close and we are counting down (Rick Holland)
53. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: time is close and we are counting down (Ryan Mueller)
54. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Pin Nailer (Rick Holland)
55. 10:03 AM - A/C nail holder (shad bell)
56. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: office staple gun (Rick Holland)
57. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: time is close and we are counting down (H RULE)
58. 10:04 AM - Re: Electrical (Rick Holland)
59. 10:09 AM - Re: Pin Nailer (Rick Holland)
60. 10:33 AM - Re: office staple gun (Jerry Dotson)
61. 10:42 AM - Re: beer and brats (K5YAC)
62. 10:52 AM - Re: beer and brats (Jack)
63. 10:58 AM - Re: which power plant??? (Rick Holland)
64. 11:07 AM - Re: which power plant??? (Jeff Boatright)
65. 11:34 AM - Re: beer and brats (Jeff Boatright)
66. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: office staple gun (Ryan Mueller)
67. 11:35 AM - Countdown has begun, Beer and Brats? (Ben Charvet)
68. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: office staple gun (TOM STINEMETZE)
69. 12:09 PM - Re: which power plant??? (Jack Phillips)
70. 01:23 PM - Re: which power plant??? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
71. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: Electrical (Jim)
72. 01:23 PM - Airplane plans (Todd Pryby)
73. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: weekend cowl work (Jim)
74. 01:37 PM - plans available here (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
75. 01:37 PM - Re: Countdown has begun, Beer and Brats? (airlion)
76. 01:41 PM - Re: which power plant??? (BYD)
77. 02:14 PM - Re: which power plant??? (Doug Dever)
78. 03:29 PM - Re: Fin area? (Pieti Lowell)
79. 03:40 PM - Re: Countdown has begun, Beer and Brats? (Rick Holland)
80. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Electrical (Rick Holland)
81. 03:43 PM - Re: Electrical (Peter W Johnson)
82. 04:09 PM - Newbie from SW Kansas (Dan P)
83. 04:14 PM - Re: Newbie from SW Kansas (John Recine)
84. 04:31 PM - Re: Newbie from SW Kansas (Ryan Mueller)
85. 04:44 PM - Re: Newbie from SW Kansas (Dan P)
86. 04:46 PM - Re: Re: Re: Electrical (Jim)
87. 04:57 PM - Re: Electrical (Gary Boothe)
88. 04:57 PM - Re: Newbie from SW Kansas (Gary Boothe)
89. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Newbie from SW Kansas (Jim Markle)
90. 05:36 PM - Re: Electrical (Gary Boothe)
91. 05:43 PM - Re: Electrical (Darrel Jones)
92. 05:47 PM - Re: which power plant??? (Gary Boothe)
93. 06:01 PM - Re: time is close and we are counting down (echobravo4)
94. 06:21 PM - Re: Electrical (Peter W Johnson)
95. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Newbie from SW Kansas (Gary Boothe)
96. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Newbie from SW Kansas (Gary Boothe)
97. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: time is close and we are counting down (Gary Boothe)
98. 06:46 PM - Re: Newbie from SW Kansas (Dan P)
99. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: time is close and we are counting down (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
100. 07:36 PM - Re: Pietenpol in DFW area (Dan P)
101. 07:52 PM - Re: Pin Nailer (Clif Dawson)
102. 08:35 PM - Re: which power plant??? (Rick Holland)
103. 08:35 PM - Re: Countdown has begun, Beer and Brats? (K5YAC)
104. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: Re: Electrical (Rick Holland)
105. 08:41 PM - Re: Pin Nailer (K5YAC)
106. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: Re: Electrical (Rick Holland)
107. 08:43 PM - Re: office staple gun (Clif Dawson)
108. 08:46 PM - Re: Newbie from SW Kansas (K5YAC)
109. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Newbie from SW Kansas (Jim Markle)
110. 08:57 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Electrical (Jim)
111. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: Electrical (Jim)
112. 11:03 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
113. 11:10 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: Photos of First Flight NX929DH |
Congratulations Dan!
great pictures, very inspiring!
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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John
A few of us have observed that it takes positive force on the reverse rudder
to get out of a slip, but I don't think adding more vertical area is going t
o remedy the problem, and adding the extra weight on this already tail heavy
plane certainly doesn't help!
I'm going to seal the gap in the rudder and the horizontal stabilizer - that
address this quirk.
Dan
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On Jun 30, 2010, at 10:39 PM, John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com> wrote:
> List,
>
> In another couple weeks I plan to start work on the fin and rudder. Years
ago I read that one of the builders had expanded his fin. If I remember ri
ght, he said he added about six inches to the front of it. I must have read
it in the BPANewsletter. Bernard P. himself said that extending the nose f
or W & B purposes makes it a little harder to straighten back out when recov
ering from a slip. I think that last week someone even mentioned here that i
t takes a positive reversal of rudder to straighten out after the slip in th
eir Piet.
>
> I have already extended the fuselage, ahead of the CG, by moving the firew
all 4 inches forward. I am strongly considering making this modest increase
in the fin area. Any pros or cons about this?
>
> (We're counting the days to Brodhead.)
>
> John Fay
> in Peoria, IL
>
>
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Subject: | Antique Airfield, 4th annual Homebuilt Fly-in, IA27, July |
2nd and 3rd
Anyone planning to attend?
Jack
DSM
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Subject: | Re: compass location, panel layout |
Jeff,
I mounted my compass hanging from the wing directly in front. Stainless wi
res so no errors. This German compass I bought off ebay reads right on wit
hout any adjustment even needed. Not sure how that happened.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 2:08 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: compass location, panel layout
Tell me again, why do we have these things? No matter where I place the co
mpass on our Piet, if it's viewable from the cockpit, it ain't reading rig
ht. And I've tried a couple of different compasses.
And put your stick in level flight position. Moving the stick around can
also move your compass, by enough to get you good and lost.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: compass location, panel layout
One thing to consider with mounting location for a mag compass, is your ca
bane "X" brace wires. If they are galvanized they will contribute to erro
rs in the compass, stainless wires should not affect the compass. Of cour
se if you use a GPS (which I don't have) it would not be as big a deal.
Any non shielded wire carring current will also throw the comass off a li
ttle. Just some things to consider when laying out a panel. One more thi
ng about performing a compass swing for calibration, you will want any and
all electrical systems powered up as they would be in flight to get the
most accurate calibration.
Shad
P.S. for you lucky guys, Brodhead is getting close, hope you all have a
ball, safe journies and good tailwinds.
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Let me also say that when I get to the point of building the fin area I will
be adding something like a balsa half round to the LE of the rudder to help
close the gap and get rid of that flat surface which undoubtably helps to d
eflect more air through the gap. If you go this route make sure to leave en
ough room to get the hinge pins in.
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>
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Subject: | Re: Antique Airfield, 4th annual Homebuilt Fly-in, IA27, |
July 2nd and 3rd
Rob Bach is but he's fighting a bent exhaust valve on the blue Piet. Wish I
could...
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On Jul 1, 2010, at 6:33 AM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> Anyone planning to attend?
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> <<...>>
>
> <4th homebuilt fly-in.pdf>
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Subject: | time is close and we are counting down |
Ahhhh yes boys and girls July has finally arrived and Christmas is right
around the corner and with that same anticipation I cant wait to arrive in
Mecca on Friday afternoon July 21. Its not that I want to see any of you
folks and its not that I like airplanes aviation or experimental aircraft,
works of art and craftsmanship or Pietenpol airplanes, truth is I really love
the experience of it all.
I can wait to get there inhale the entire experience and see my friend, and
a soon as anyone is willing to fess up to that dubious distinction I am
hoping that someone will point him/her is so I'll know who that is.
Couldn't hold it back any longer I been waiting all year for this and the
anticipation is killing me. Cant wait to see you all there. For some Mecca
is to the West, others to the east north and south, but for all of us it is
just over the hill and just ahead in Brodhead.
See ya there
John
Do not archive, unless you really want to!
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Has anyone used a pin nailer to hold their rib gussets in place? I played with
mine last night and it seems to me it would be good way to go. The pins are
1/2 inch long and 23 gauge. That's a smaller gauge than the nails (20 gauge).
I would prefer a shorter length but this is the shortest my Porter- Cable
pin nailer will handle.
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John
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I made my fin/rudder 2 inches taller than the plans on the advice of an
old-timer that said a tall pilot would tend to blanket the rudder in
3-point stance. I'm not tall, but the extra height isn't noticable and
adds an insignificant amount of weight. My motormount is 2 inches
longer than plans. The Piet is a full time rudder control airplane, so
I don't know what my feet are doing coming out of a slip, but I'm sure
they are busy. Making the fin wider would make it extend past the
leading edge of the horiz. stab, and be more obvious than making it
taller in my humble opinion.
just my $.02
Ben Charvet
slip sliding away, using both feet
On 6/30/2010 11:39 PM, John Fay wrote:
> List,
> In another couple weeks I plan to start work on the fin and rudder.
> Years ago I read that one of the builders had expanded his fin. If I
> remember right, he said he added about six inches to the front of it.
> I must have read it in the BPANewsletter. Bernard P. himself said
> that extending the nose for W & B purposes makes it a little harder to
> straighten back out when recovering from a slip. I think that last
> week someone even mentioned here that it takes a positive reversal of
> rudder to straighten out after the slip in their Piet.
> I have already extended the fuselage, ahead of the CG, by moving the
> firewall 4 inches forward. I am strongly considering making this
> modest increase in the fin area. Any pros or cons about this?
> (We're counting the days to Brodhead.)
> John Fay
> in Peoria, IL
> *
>
>
> *
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When your ready for wood, I have a good source in Canada. I'm getting ready to
start cutting gussets, "1200" someone said. Greg Menoche DE
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com>
>Sent: Jun 30, 2010 11:42 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Down!
>
>
>Stop it! I say stop it! All this talk about starting on ribs has me frothing
at the mouth. I don't have my plan or wood yet!
>
>--------
>John
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303120#303120
>
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I made some triangular filler strips on my tailfeather control surfaces
that only left about 3/16 gap. These were glued to the hinge surfaces,
and openings were left for the hinges and room to remove the pins. If
you do this don't forget to leave room for the covering. I ended up
sealing the gaps too. I didn't leave any square edges anywhere, but did
quite a bit of rounding/streamlining to all the edges.
Ben
On 7/1/2010 8:04 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
> Let me also say that when I get to the point of building the fin area
> I will be adding something like a balsa half round to the LE of the
> rudder to help close the gap and get rid of that flat surface which
> undoubtably helps to deflect more air through the gap. If you go this
> route make sure to leave enough room to get the hinge pins in.
> --
> yocum@gmail.com <mailto:yocum@gmail.com>
>> *
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> *
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> *
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Its more fun to do it the way I did, with 3/8 inch aircraft nails held
with needle nose pliers tapped in with a tack hammer. I remember it as
a character building experience :-)
Ben
On 7/1/2010 8:28 AM, Kringle wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kringle"<Mrkringles@msn.com>
>
> Has anyone used a pin nailer to hold their rib gussets in place? I played with
mine last night and it seems to me it would be good way to go. The pins are
1/2 inch long and 23 gauge. That's a smaller gauge than the nails (20 gauge).
I would prefer a shorter length but this is the shortest my Porter- Cable
pin nailer will handle.
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303244#303244
>
>
>
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you don't want to do that=2C those pin nails WILL rust! Use brass aircraft
nails.
Gene
do not archive
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pin Nailer
> From: Mrkringles@msn.com
> Date: Thu=2C 1 Jul 2010 05:28:01 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Has anyone used a pin nailer to hold their rib gussets in place? I played
with mine last night and it seems to me it would be good way to go. The pi
ns are 1/2 inch long and 23 gauge. That's a smaller gauge than the nails (2
0 gauge). I would prefer a shorter length but this is the shortest my Porte
r- Cable pin nailer will handle.
>
> --------
> John
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303244#303244
>
>
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Subject: | office staple gun |
John,
A simple office stapler works good for holding gussets in place while the T-88
cures and it goes
fast. You should be able to build one rib a day that way. Try not to get bogged
down in the
details because the more progress you see faster the more motivated (and less arduous
the mountain
of work ahead of you seems) you'll be to continue.
Just my thoughts. And while I'm pontificating let me add some wide-paint-brush
builder types I've
observed over time.
The Enthusiast: Likes Piets, loves to read about them, write, talk, and muse
about maybe building one some day but that is
the extent of it. They won't ever build but that's just fine.
The Planner: They explore every possible way to mix epoxy before ever mixing some.
They do exhaustive searches on every type of wood
that nature yields before making a decision.
The Oblivious: They don't get the books by Tony Bingelis or use the GREAT, great,
great EAA how-to videos posted on line, books or
other resources whereby you could actually be sealed in your workshop
for 3 years and never have contact with the
world and build a great Pietenpol with just a phone and credit
card to order your raw materials.
The Helpless: Those who are oblivious and lazy who really don't ever want to
build a Pietenpol, they aren't serious in the least, and
they constantly rely on others to look up information from them
and then question if that info is accurate or not instead
of finding out for themselves or exploring how to search the archives
and sift thru the info.
The Flyer/Builder: Those who quietly go about a steady pace of building (Dan Helsper
and Ben Charvet, Douwe come to mind) and have
a goal of not only completing the airplane but flying it.
Flying it is one of the main goals these builders have
and not to build the cheapest, crappiest looking Pietenpol
but to build one with good materials and who use good,
proven methods of aircraft construction.
The Train Wreck: Those who cobble together anything they can find cheap and then
produce a really unsafe, poorly built, piece of junk
project and then sell it off when they loose patience.
The Buyer: I started out like this. I didn't want to wait and build for years
and years. I wanted to have my own FLYING Pietenpol
and I think it is GREAT when flying Piets get purchased and flown
rather than sitting in a dusty hangar for years being
neglected.
The Museum Curator: Those who never fly, never maintain, but own and hold a flyable
Pietenpol.
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
Well sir, we look forward to seeing you to. I hope that you will have
your Piet finished by then and will be able to fly it to Brodhead, as
Friday July 21 doesn't happen until about 2017. :P
Ryan
Do not archive
On Jul 1, 2010, at 7:21 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> Ahhhh yes boys and girls July has finally arrived and Christmas is
right around the corner and with that same anticipation I cant wait to
arrive in Mecca on Friday afternoon July 21. Its not that I want to see
any of you folks and its not that I like airplanes aviation or
experimental aircraft, works of art and craftsmanship or Pietenpol
airplanes, truth is I really love the experience of it all.
>
> I can wait to get there inhale the entire experience and see my
friend, and a soon as anyone is willing to fess up to that dubious
distinction I am hoping that someone will point him/her is so I'll know
who that is.
>
> Couldn't hold it back any longer I been waiting all year for this and
the anticipation is killing me. Cant wait to see you all there. For some
Mecca is to the West, others to the east north and south, but for all of
us it is just over the hill and just ahead in Brodhead.
>
> See ya there
>
> John
>
> Do not archive, unless you really want to!
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: office staple gun |
>Just my thoughts. And while I'm pontificating let me add some wide-paint-
brush builder types I've
>observed over time.
Mike:
I believe you left out one:
The Dreamer This is the guy who eats, sleeps, and dreams airplanes all
the time but never believes he/she has the resources to ever do anything
about it (until age 54 in my case.) If he's lucky something happens that
give him/her a swift kick in the pants to get started. From that point on
it's just a matter of perseverance. It's amazing how much you can get
accomplished $10 - $100 at a time.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
We just have to keep SUCH a close eye on John.....
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: Jul 1, 2010 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: time is close and we are counting down
Well sir, we look forward to seeing you to. I hope that you will have your Piet
finished by then and will be able to fly it to Brodhead, as Friday July 21 doesn't
happen until about 2017. :P
Ryan
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On Jul 1, 2010, at 7:21 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
Ahhhh yes boys and girls July has finally arrived and Christmas is right
around the corner and with that same anticipation I cant wait to arrive in
Mecca on Friday afternoon July 21. Its not that I want to see any of you folks
blah, blah, blah....
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Subject: | Re: office staple gun |
To address your last line (and you already know this), you must also
come to terms with the fact that you are building an airplane, not a
go-kart or a garden shed, and that you are going to be laying down
thousands of dollars to get it done. You can fight it to a point, but
reality will win.
You can do it right, and also do it as economically as possible. But
please don't do it cheaply, while hoping to get it right. :P
Ryan
On Jul 1, 2010, at 8:10 AM, "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> >Just my thoughts. And while I'm pontificating let me add some
wide-paint-brush builder types I've
> >observed over time.
> Mike:
>
> I believe you left out one:
> The Dreamer This is the guy who eats, sleeps, and dreams airplanes
all the time but never believes he/she has the resources to ever do
anything about it (until age 54 in my case.) If he's lucky something
happens that give him/her a swift kick in the pants to get started.
=46rom that point on it's just a matter of perseverance. It's amazing
how much you can get accomplished $10 - $100 at a time.
>
> Tom Stinemetze
> N328X
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: compass location, panel layout |
Dan,
Thanks. I've been following your advice and keeping an eye on ebay.
We'll see what comes up.
Jeff
>Jeff,
>
>I mounted my compass hanging from the wing directly in front.
>Stainless wires so no errors. This German compass I bought off ebay
>reads right on without any adjustment even needed. Not sure how that
>happened.
>
>Dan Helsper
>Poplar Grove, IL
>
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: office staple gun |
Absolutely right Ryan. I would hate to be considered a proponent of "The
Fisherman" mentality. If you newbies are not familiar with that term you
can find a lot of posts in the archives about The Fisherman and lets' just
say they are not appreciative of the Fisherman's cheap side.
Tom
>>> Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> 7/1/2010 8:35 AM >>>
To address your last line (and you already know this), you must also come
to terms with the fact that you are building an airplane, not a go-kart or
a garden shed, and that you are going to be laying down thousands of
dollars to get it done. You can fight it to a point, but reality will win.
You can do it right, and also do it as economically as possible. But
please don't do it cheaply, while hoping to get it right. :P
Ryan
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Should work fine. The nails are only there to hold the gusset in place (and
under the correct clamping pressure if using Resorcinol glue) under the glue
cures. After that they can be removed, if desired.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 8:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pin Nailer
Has anyone used a pin nailer to hold their rib gussets in place? I played
with mine last night and it seems to me it would be good way to go. The
pins are 1/2 inch long and 23 gauge. That's a smaller gauge than the
nails (20 gauge). I would prefer a shorter length but this is the shortest
my Porter- Cable pin nailer will handle.
--------
John
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Subject: | seen at post office |
do not archive
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Actually, the AN301 Aircraft nails are brass plated steel, with cement
coating to improve holding. Over time as they remain in contact with the
moisture in the wood they will rust slightly, with no ill effects.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 8:46 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pin Nailer
you don't want to do that, those pin nails WILL rust! Use brass aircraft
nails.
Gene
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pin Nailer
> From: Mrkringles@msn.com
> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 05:28:01 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Has anyone used a pin nailer to hold their rib gussets in place? I played
with mine last night and it seems to me it would be good way to go. The pins
are 1/2 inch long and 23 gauge. That's a smaller gauge than the nails (20
gauge). I would prefer a shorter length but this is the shortest my Porter-
Cable pin nailer will handle.
>
> --------
> John
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303244#303244
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> <=
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Subject: | Re: office staple gun |
Mikee I don't know where I fit in. I started a year ago today. It is fun. I try
do a little something every day. I emailed you and Jack Phillips in May of last
year with lots of questions. Thanks again. I followed Jack's suggestion of
extending the wing span. My wing is 32' 6". It is just about ready to cover. I
have the center cut-out completed now.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: Antique Airfield, 4th annual Homebuilt Fly-in, IA27, |
July 2nd and 3rd
Antique Airfield, 4th annual Homebuilt Fly-in, IA27, July 2nd and 3rdI'm
going, but taking the RV-3 instead of the Piet.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 6:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Antique Airfield, 4th annual Homebuilt
Fly-in, IA27, July 2nd and 3rd
Anyone planning to attend?
Jack
DSM
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Subject: | Re: office staple gun |
Looks good, Jerry. I'd say you are in the Builder/Flyer category
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: office staple gun
Mikee I don't know where I fit in. I started a year ago today. It is fun. I
try do a little something every day. I emailed you and Jack Phillips in May
of last year with lots of questions. Thanks again. I followed Jack's
suggestion of extending the wing span. My wing is 32' 6". It is just about
ready to cover. I have the center cut-out completed now.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
Been counting for a couple of weeks now. I'm totally ate up with it.
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Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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I have felt your pain. I used diagrams from Mark Langfords KR2/Corvair
website, William Wynne's website and the several diagrams in the Bingelis
books. None of them included all the basic Corvair engine components
(starter, dynamo, dual coils, voltage regulator, etc). Just make sure every
power lead is fused with the correct size fuse in case something ain't righ
t
before ever connecting your battery. Let me know if you need a copy of my
wiring diagram.
rick
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Rick,
>
>
> If I had a miniscule piece of your understanding of electronics, I probab
ly
> wouldn=92t be struggling with my electrical system. I have four different
> wiring diagrams, but none the same, and none representing my system (supe
r
> simple).
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> 20 ribs done
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:17 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: FW: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
>
>
> Simplicate and add lightness, the whole thing only weighs 200 grams and
> replaces over 10 separate instruments. Yes I know, it doesn't look cool
> except to some young computer geek (but i'm an old computer geek).
>
> rick
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote
:
>
> No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!!
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (20 ribs down=85)
>
> Do not archive
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
>
>
> Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine
> instruments in one 3 1/4" hole.
>
> rick
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are
> shorter.Sometimes they combine two different instruments in one such as
CHT
> (cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need suc
h
> things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming f
rom
> it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your
own
> personal happiness with what you want is the best.The way you have it now
> may be just the way you want it.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> *To:* Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
>
>
>
> Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing
> so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've
> already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in
> 41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to
> work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables
> cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments
> are, and make sure you won't have interference between the
> instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those
> with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)
> need to be checked in particular.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net href="
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank;
> -Matt Dralle, Listion" ======
>
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> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
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> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: seen at post office |
Yep, that's the guy. He is also known to go on beer bottle cap collecting sprees
right before he blows outta town.
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Subject: | office staple gun |
Mike,
I think you left a couple of categories out:
The Schemer: Before they ever glue two sticks together they have their
paint scheme all layed out and colors chosen. I have never known a builder
in this category to finish their airplane.
The Expert: They've never built any airplane, much less a Pietenpol, but
because they took an 8th grade shop class they are expert on woodworking and
can tell you that Gorilla Glue is far superior to anything YOU are using on
your airplane. At best they are a waste of time and at worst they can make
you question the sound building practices you are already using. There's
one (or more) at every airport.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 8:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: office staple gun
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
And while I'm pontificating let me add some wide-paint-brush builder types
I've
observed over time.
The Enthusiast: Likes Piets, loves to read about them, write, talk, and
muse about maybe building one some day but that is
the extent of it. They won't ever build but that's just
fine.
The Planner: They explore every possible way to mix epoxy before ever
mixing some. They do exhaustive searches on every type of wood
that nature yields before making a decision.
The Oblivious: They don't get the books by Tony Bingelis or use the GREAT,
great, great EAA how-to videos posted on line, books or
other resources whereby you could actually be sealed in
your workshop for 3 years and never have contact with the
world and build a great Pietenpol with just a phone and
credit card to order your raw materials.
The Helpless: Those who are oblivious and lazy who really don't ever want
to build a Pietenpol, they aren't serious in the least, and
they constantly rely on others to look up information from
them and then question if that info is accurate or not instead
of finding out for themselves or exploring how to search the
archives and sift thru the info.
The Flyer/Builder: Those who quietly go about a steady pace of building
(Dan Helsper and Ben Charvet, Douwe come to mind) and have
a goal of not only completing the airplane but flying
it. Flying it is one of the main goals these builders have
and not to build the cheapest, crappiest looking
Pietenpol but to build one with good materials and who use good,
proven methods of aircraft construction.
The Train Wreck: Those who cobble together anything they can find cheap and
then produce a really unsafe, poorly built, piece of junk
project and then sell it off when they loose patience.
The Buyer: I started out like this. I didn't want to wait and build
for years and years. I wanted to have my own FLYING Pietenpol
and I think it is GREAT when flying Piets get purchased and
flown rather than sitting in a dusty hangar for years being
neglected.
The Museum Curator: Those who never fly, never maintain, but own and hold a
flyable Pietenpol.
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They make 304 stainless pin nails which should address the corrosion problem.
I tried using an office stapler and that was too inconsistent. I also tried removing
the steel wire pins by reducing the air pressure to allow the wire to protrude
about an 1/8 of an inch. They are coated with a material that makes them
almost impossible to pull. I ending up breaking the wire off before I pulled
any of them out.
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John
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Rick,
You hit the "brass plated steel, with cement coating nail" on the head! I
would love a copy of your wiring diagram!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
I have felt your pain. I used diagrams from Mark Langfords KR2/Corvair
website, William Wynne's website and the several diagrams in the Bingelis
books. None of them included all the basic Corvair engine components
(starter, dynamo, dual coils, voltage regulator, etc). Just make sure every
power lead is fused with the correct size fuse in case something ain't right
before ever connecting your battery. Let me know if you need a copy of my
wiring diagram.
rick
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Rick,
If I had a miniscule piece of your understanding of electronics, I probably
wouldn't be struggling with my electrical system. I have four different
wiring diagrams, but none the same, and none representing my system (super
simple).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Simplicate and add lightness, the whole thing only weighs 200 grams and
replaces over 10 separate instruments. Yes I know, it doesn't look cool
except to some young computer geek (but i'm an old computer geek).
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine
instruments in one 3 1/4" hole.
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are
shorter.Sometimes they combine two different instruments in one such as CHT
(cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need such
things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming from
it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your own
personal happiness with what you want is the best.The way you have it now
may be just the way you want it.
_____
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing
so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've
already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in
41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to
work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables
cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments
are, and make sure you won't have interference between the
instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those
with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)
need to be checked in particular.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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You just don't know the half of it, I have to attend a seminar in Chicago
the week of Brodhead and stuck for something to do over the weekend then
back to Indiana?Chicago area for a few more days of work.
If I could get my hands on that Jerk that scheduled all this stuff I
would..ki his donkey
So Monday its fly out to Chicago and work in Chicago
Tuesday prep for seminar Naperville
Wednesday Naperville open seminar and agenda introduction and set up for
after meeting hospitality area in my suite
Thursday Open seminar for day 2 cloose meeting plant tours ad group dinner,
Italian, best veal in the city
Friday Naperville meeting , finished around noon stuck for something to
do or a place to go on Friday maybe take a drive to Rockford and check in a
decent hotel gosh who knows where I may end up for the weekend maybe
Wisconsin? Dinner in Rockford at Marias best Italian in Rockford
Better call for reservations Friday Night
Man I really hate the schedule I set up for me! sux being me! at least for
those 2 weeks in July
Do not archive
John
In a message dated 7/1/2010 10:23:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hangar10@cox.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Been counting for a couple of weeks now. I'm totally ate up with it.
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Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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John
I feel your pain! I am sentenced to 4 days of in-law reunion, followed by 4
days on business in Dallas.!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: time is close and we are counting down
You just don't know the half of it, I have to attend a seminar in Chicago
the week of Brodhead and stuck for something to do over the weekend then
back to Indiana?Chicago area for a few more days of work.
If I could get my hands on that Jerk that scheduled all this stuff I
would..ki his donkey
So Monday its fly out to Chicago and work in Chicago
Tuesday prep for seminar Naperville
Wednesday Naperville open seminar and agenda introduction and set up for
after meeting hospitality area in my suite
Thursday Open seminar for day 2 cloose meeting plant tours ad group dinner,
Italian, best veal in the city
Friday Naperville meeting , finished around noon stuck for something to do
or a place to go on Friday maybe take a drive to Rockford and check in a
decent hotel gosh who knows where I may end up for the weekend maybe
Wisconsin? Dinner in Rockford at Marias best Italian in Rockford
Better call for reservations Friday Night
Man I really hate the schedule I set up for me! sux being me! at least for
those 2 weeks in July
Do not archive
John
In a message dated 7/1/2010 10:23:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hangar10@cox.net writes:
Been counting for a couple of weeks now. I'm totally ate up with it.
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Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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On 07/01/2010 09:35 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> do or a place to go on Friday maybe take a drive to Rockford and check
> in a decent hotel gosh who knows where I may end up for the weekend
> maybe Wisconsin? Dinner in Rockford at Marias best Italian in Rockford
> Better call for reservations Friday Night
You'd give up the boiled fish dinner at Brodhead to have Italian in
Rockford? Really??
I've already reserved a second helping for Hofmann since I know he loves
it so much.
<snicker>
do not archive
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
Hard to resist! but have to miss it rats, I am thinking 8:00 pm Reservation
f its not to late for Mark and fam, Its really good stuff Dan!. Its too
bad you're committed to fish boil
Do not archive unless you want to
John
In a message dated 7/1/2010 10:49:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
yocum@fnal.gov writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
On 07/01/2010 09:35 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> do or a place to go on Friday maybe take a drive to Rockford and check
> in a decent hotel gosh who knows where I may end up for the weekend
> maybe Wisconsin? Dinner in Rockford at Marias best Italian in Rockford
> Better call for reservations Friday Night
You'd give up the boiled fish dinner at Brodhead to have Italian in
Rockford? Really??
I've already reserved a second helping for Hofmann since I know he loves
it so much.
<snicker>
do not archive
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: seen at post office |
DANG!!! The one time "The contents of this message are corrupt. We cannot view
this message." would have been a GOOD thing and we just HAD to look at THAT!!!
:-)
aaarrrggghhhh!!!
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Jul 1, 2010 8:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: seen at post office
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
Of course that is why I have my Friday night brat feed away from the
stinky fish.
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jul 1, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Dan Yocum wrote:
>
>
>
> On 07/01/2010 09:35 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
>
>> do or a place to go on Friday maybe take a drive to Rockford and
check
>> in a decent hotel gosh who knows where I may end up for the weekend
>> maybe Wisconsin? Dinner in Rockford at Marias best Italian in
Rockford
>> Better call for reservations Friday Night
>
> You'd give up the boiled fish dinner at Brodhead to have Italian in
Rockford? Really??
>
> I've already reserved a second helping for Hofmann since I know he
loves it so much.
>
> <snicker>
>
> do not archive
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | categories of builders |
Excellent additions guys ! I had to cut my list short with a tour we had coming
at 9am but
love the other categories.
Mike C.
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"You're a good loser and I like good losers. But then again you've
probably had a lot of practice."
do not archive.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
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Subject: | Re: office staple gun |
Back in the days of canvas covered decks on wooden sailboats we used MONEL staples
to hold the canvass down. Monel staples don't rust and you can still get them.
Gardiner.
----- Original Message ----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 10:21:43 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: office staple gun
Mike,
I think you left a couple of categories out:
The Schemer: Before they ever glue two sticks together they have their
paint scheme all layed out and colors chosen. I have never known a builder
in this category to finish their airplane.
The Expert: They've never built any airplane, much less a Pietenpol, but
because they took an 8th grade shop class they are expert on woodworking and
can tell you that Gorilla Glue is far superior to anything YOU are using on
your airplane. At best they are a waste of time and at worst they can make
you question the sound building practices you are already using. There's
one (or more) at every airport.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 8:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: office staple gun
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
And while I'm pontificating let me add some wide-paint-brush builder types
I've
observed over time.
The Enthusiast: Likes Piets, loves to read about them, write, talk, and
muse about maybe building one some day but that is
the extent of it. They won't ever build but that's just
fine.
The Planner: They explore every possible way to mix epoxy before ever
mixing some. They do exhaustive searches on every type of wood
that nature yields before making a decision.
The Oblivious: They don't get the books by Tony Bingelis or use the GREAT,
great, great EAA how-to videos posted on line, books or
other resources whereby you could actually be sealed in
your workshop for 3 years and never have contact with the
world and build a great Pietenpol with just a phone and
credit card to order your raw materials.
The Helpless: Those who are oblivious and lazy who really don't ever want
to build a Pietenpol, they aren't serious in the least, and
they constantly rely on others to look up information from
them and then question if that info is accurate or not instead
of finding out for themselves or exploring how to search the
archives and sift thru the info.
The Flyer/Builder: Those who quietly go about a steady pace of building
(Dan Helsper and Ben Charvet, Douwe come to mind) and have
a goal of not only completing the airplane but flying
it. Flying it is one of the main goals these builders have
and not to build the cheapest, crappiest looking
Pietenpol but to build one with good materials and who use good,
proven methods of aircraft construction.
The Train Wreck: Those who cobble together anything they can find cheap and
then produce a really unsafe, poorly built, piece of junk
project and then sell it off when they loose patience.
The Buyer: I started out like this. I didn't want to wait and build
for years and years. I wanted to have my own FLYING Pietenpol
and I think it is GREAT when flying Piets get purchased and
flown rather than sitting in a dusty hangar for years being
neglected.
The Museum Curator: Those who never fly, never maintain, but own and hold a
flyable Pietenpol.
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Hi John - Mine's bone stock and it goes in and out of slips just fine.
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
We are still on for Maria's, but 8 is pretty late.
What is this about beer and brats? [Laughing]
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Subject: | Re: categories of builders |
Mike - a subcategory/characteristic of one of your categories: the solver of non-problems.
I enjoyed the list. (Hang up and build?)
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Andrew King would know this for sure but when they recovered Alan Rudolph's old
1930's Pietenpol
Air Camper (that Frank Pavliga now owns) I don't recall them having to replace
the rusted nails
holding the wing rib gussets unless the actual gusset glue joint was loose.
Besides, if you use staples, cement-coated, brass plated steel nails (I did) and
you varnish over
the whole thing they really shouldn't rust anyway and if a 1930's wing is still
flying in good shape
with rusty nails I don't see all the worry over something that is only needed for
12 hours of glue
curing.
Mike C.
Not one to dance on the head of a pin....
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I heard they were serving beer and brats for those who don't like the boiled fish
feed. Word has it
that the brats and beer will be served at the far end of runway 9 on Friday night.
Mike C.
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Subject: | which power plant??? |
My dad and I are really starting to ramp up this project, and we will be ordering
our plans soon. But there is some discussion on which engine we should put
in there. My argument is that we already have a source of one possibly two corvair
motors. For FREE! Not to mention all the other reasons why I think we should
go with the corvair.
He wants the Model A.
The question:
What motor do you have in your Piet, and why did you decide to use it?
Please give any and all reasons. Even if you did the Model A just for looks alone,
I want to know.
I also am going to try to make it up to Broadhead on the 24th.
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
Boiled fish?
--------
John
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Subject: | Re: which power plant??? |
Well, in one of your earlier posts you said: "I'm concerned that my dad and
I both will not be able to fly in there as he is about 200 and I'm 225".
The good news is that if you use a Model A and you build to the plans to
keep the weight down, you can probably both fly in the airplane. The bad
news is that you are going to have to arrange for a tow-plane, as you will
not be able to bring any fuel along.
I would caution that you not let the fact that the Corvair cores are free be
one of your deciding factors in going that route. A decent core should run
you roughly somewhere between $150 and $300, generally speaking. You are
going to spend thousands more converting it for aircraft use, so the intial
cost of the cores is a pittance compared to your overall investment. If you
go the Corvair route do it because it will meet your needs for what you want
to do with the airplane, not because you saved a couple hundred bucks at the
get go.
Ryan
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:18 AM, j_dunavin <j_dunavin@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> My dad and I are really starting to ramp up this project, and we will be
> ordering our plans soon. But there is some discussion on which engine we
> should put in there. My argument is that we already have a source of one
> possibly two corvair motors. For FREE! Not to mention all the other reasons
> why I think we should go with the corvair.
> He wants the Model A.
> The question:
> What motor do you have in your Piet, and why did you decide to use it?
> Please give any and all reasons. Even if you did the Model A just for looks
> alone, I want to know.
> I also am going to try to make it up to Broadhead on the 24th.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303312#303312
>
>
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
I will be your friend at Brodhead John. Actually I think it will be better
than Christmas.
rick
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:21 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
> Ahhhh yes boys and girls July has finally arrived and Christmas is right
> around the corner and with that same anticipation I cant wait to arrive in
> Mecca on Friday afternoon July 21. Its not that I want to see any of you
> folks and its not that I like airplanes aviation or experimental aircraft,
> works of art and craftsmanship or Pietenpol airplanes, truth is I really
> love the experience of it all.
>
> I can wait to get there inhale the entire experience and see my friend, and
> a soon as anyone is willing to fess up to that dubious distinction I am
> hoping that someone will point him/her is so I'll know who that is.
>
> Couldn't hold it back any longer I been waiting all year for this and the
> anticipation is killing me. Cant wait to see you all there. For some Mecca
> is to the West, others to the east north and south, but for all of us it is
> just over the hill and just ahead in Brodhead.
>
> See ya there
>
> John
>
> Do not archive, unless you really want to!
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
Oh yes. Probably difficult to get water to boil up at the North Pole, so
this may be your only chance for the year to partake in this WI delicacy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_boil
Ryan
do not archive
P.S. A polite reminder to all: if you are going to make a post that says,
for example, "Boiled fish?", and nothing more, go ahead and throw a "do not
archive" underneath that because there's probably not much value in
including such material in the archives. :)
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Boiled fish?
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303313#303313
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I used an Arrow model JT-21M stapler with 1/4" JT21 staples, hold well and
come out easy.
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
> They make 304 stainless pin nails which should address the corrosion
> problem. I tried using an office stapler and that was too inconsistent. I
> also tried removing the steel wire pins by reducing the air pressure to
> allow the wire to protrude about an 1/8 of an inch. They are coated with a
> material that makes them almost impossible to pull. I ending up breaking
> the wire off before I pulled any of them out.
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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You can also make a nail holder out of a piece of cereal box cardboard.-
Just take the lid tabs off the box and cut some slits in the outter edges a
nd slide your nails in.- It works ok, but some times the nails fall out w
hile hitting the adjacent nails.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: office staple gun |
Wow 32 1/2 ft. all in one big piece, beautiful.
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Jerry Dotson <jdotson@erec.net> wrote:
>
> Mikee I don't know where I fit in. I started a year ago today. It is fun. I
> try do a little something every day. I emailed you and Jack Phillips in May
> of last year with lots of questions. Thanks again. I followed Jack's
> suggestion of extending the wing span. My wing is 32' 6". It is just about
> ready to cover. I have the center cut-out completed now.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> Ribs and tailfeathers done
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303271#303271
>
>
> Attachments:
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
Ya ,it's a down east thing they like to do,especially the Newfies here in C
anada.Personally-I like my fish fried.To each his own.Boiled is probably
heathier for you.Keeps you light in order to get in the PIET but then again
the beer counters that.=0Ado not archive-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0AFrom: Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@
matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, July 1, 2010 12:36:36 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-Li
st: Re: time is close and we are counting down=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List mess
age posted by: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>=0A=0ABoiled fish?=0A=0A------
--=0AJohn=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.mat
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Here you go Gary. It hasn't flown yet, but I have tested it in over an hour
of engine runs on my completed fuselage.
rick
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Rick,
>
>
> You hit the =93brass plated steel, with cement coating nail=94 on the hea
d! I
> would love a copy of your wiring diagram!
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> 20 ribs done
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:19 AM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
>
>
> I have felt your pain. I used diagrams from Mark Langfords KR2/Corvair
> website, William Wynne's website and the several diagrams in the Bingelis
> books. None of them included all the basic Corvair engine components
> (starter, dynamo, dual coils, voltage regulator, etc). Just make sure eve
ry
> power lead is fused with the correct size fuse in case something ain't ri
ght
> before ever connecting your battery. Let me know if you need a copy of my
> wiring diagram.
>
> rick
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
>
> If I had a miniscule piece of your understanding of electronics, I probab
ly
> wouldn=92t be struggling with my electrical system. I have four different
> wiring diagrams, but none the same, and none representing my system (supe
r
> simple).
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> 20 ribs done
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:17 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: FW: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
>
>
> Simplicate and add lightness, the whole thing only weighs 200 grams and
> replaces over 10 separate instruments. Yes I know, it doesn't look cool
> except to some young computer geek (but i'm an old computer geek).
>
> rick
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote
:
>
> No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!!
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (20 ribs down=85)
>
> Do not archive
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
>
>
> Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine
> instruments in one 3 1/4" hole.
>
> rick
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are
> shorter.Sometimes they combine two different instruments in one such as
CHT
> (cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need suc
h
> things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming f
rom
> it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your
own
> personal happiness with what you want is the best.The way you have it now
> may be just the way you want it.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> *To:* Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
>
>
>
> Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing
> so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've
> already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in
> 41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to
> work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables
> cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments
> are, and make sure you won't have interference between the
> instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those
> with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)
> need to be checked in particular.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net href="
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank;
> -Matt Dralle, Listion" ======
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> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
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Short staples are much easier to get in and to get out (if you want to waste
the time to remove them like I did).
rick
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone used a pin nailer to hold their rib gussets in place? I played
> with mine last night and it seems to me it would be good way to go. The
> pins are 1/2 inch long and 23 gauge. That's a smaller gauge than the
> nails (20 gauge). I would prefer a shorter length but this is the shortest
> my Porter- Cable pin nailer will handle.
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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Subject: | Re: office staple gun |
Thanks Rick.
Re:Wow 32 1/2 ft. all in one big piece, beautiful.
I have been asked why 1 piece numerous times and my answer is "I am not building
it to assemble and disassemble. I am building it to fly. I also think its easier
to build a one piece. I has hoped to fly it this year.......ain't gonna happen.
Maybe next spring. I am into the time consuming little details now.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: beer and brats |
There goes the neighborhood.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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Mike,
Lest not forget the cheese curds, scotch and strange noises and aroma
emanating from the surrounding tents...Hope to be there Thursday night.
Jack
DSM
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: beer and brats
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
I heard they were serving beer and brats for those who don't like the boiled
fish feed. Word has it
that the brats and beer will be served at the far end of runway 9 on Friday
night.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: which power plant??? |
Very true. My core cost $200 and the rebuild machine work and Clarks Corvair
and William Wynne parts cost another $5800 and that does not include a $1200
5th bearing (which is not required on a Piet, but not a bad idea).
I think the easiest, most reliable and most common solution is the C-65 for
around $7500 (if that is enough power for you and you don't mine hand
propping). I will fly out of a 7000 ft airport so I needed (wanted) more
power which meant an O-200 or a Corvair. O-200 would be around $10,000.
The other issue is maintenance, a Corvair can be completely rebuilt for the
cost of a single O-200 cylinder (that played a big part in my decision).
Kind of like the difference between buying parts for an old Rolls Royce vs.
a newer Ford Pickup.
Question is how "experimental" do you want to go? The least experimental you
can go is to buy a quick build kit and a new aircraft engine. The most
experimental you can go is to custom design and build an aircraft and
convert an auto engine for it (like Bernard Pietenpol). Building a Piet with
a Model A, Corvair, or other auto conversion (and non-aircraft paint) is
very experimental and probably why I went that direction.
rick
I would caution that you not let the fact that the Corvair cores are free be
> one of your deciding factors in going that route. A decent core should run
> you roughly somewhere between $150 and $300, generally speaking. You are
> going to spend thousands more converting it for aircraft use, so the intial
> cost of the cores is a pittance compared to your overall investment. If you
> go the Corvair route do it because it will meet your needs for what you want
> to do with the airplane, not because you saved a couple hundred bucks at the
> get go.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:18 AM, j_dunavin <j_dunavin@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> My dad and I are really starting to ramp up this project, and we will be
>> ordering our plans soon. But there is some discussion on which engine we
>> should put in there. My argument is that we already have a source of one
>> possibly two corvair motors. For FREE! Not to mention all the other reasons
>> why I think we should go with the corvair.
>> He wants the Model A.
>> The question:
>> What motor do you have in your Piet, and why did you decide to use it?
>> Please give any and all reasons. Even if you did the Model A just for
>> looks alone, I want to know.
>> I also am going to try to make it up to Broadhead on the 24th.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303312#303312
>>
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Subject: | Re: which power plant??? |
When looking to replace our tired A-65 on the Piet, I had the choice
of a Corvair with all the conversion parts and manual on hand or a
C-75 that needed to be re-rebuilt. I went with the C-75 for several
reasons, none of which may apply to you, but since you asked the list
for any and all reasons:
1. I wanted to go flying as quickly as possible, which led to these
considerations:
1A. The local mechanical guru was happy to help with the C-75 and in
fact really pushed it. He isn't opposed to Corvair conversions, in
fact he now owns the Corvair engine and parts that I had originally
accumulated and plans to install such in a Jodel at some point. But,
bottom line: Knowledgeable people at airports will be able to help
you with LyCons.
1B. The cowling, engine mount, and prop from the A-65 could be used
for the C-75.
1C. The C-75 is more of a known quantity. Even though the re-rebuild
probably took as much time as building up a Corvair conversion, once
built, there was basically no benchmark testing needed.
2. Corvair cranks kept snapping and nobody really knew why. I know
about the circumstances people have reported and that nitriding them
supposedly fixes the problem, but at the time I simply was not
satisfied with the testing that was supposed to support this
solution. I haven't kept up enough since then to judge whether
nitriding is the solution. I am not saying anyone else is wrong about
this, I'm just saying that since I had the two engines sitting in
front of me and could make the choice, I went with the C-75. It was a
personal choice and speaks nothing to other people's decisions or
circumstances then or now.
3. My two partners in the plane were much happier with the C-75
choice. They each had their own reasons, but this was the deciding
factor. The other reasons above didn't really come into play except
for conversations that occurred inside my head.
HTH,
Jeff
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You know, I used to have a full head of hair. Then one night at
Brodhead, I struck a match while standing too close to one of those
aroma-emanating tents...
>
>Mike,
>Lest not forget the cheese curds, scotch and strange noises and aroma
>emanating from the surrounding tents...Hope to be there Thursday night.
>Jack
>DSM
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I missed the attachments until Rick made his comment. Keep up the good work
Jerry, it looks very nice!
Ryan
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On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow 32 1/2 ft. all in one big piece, beautiful.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Jerry Dotson <jdotson@erec.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Mikee I don't know where I fit in. I started a year ago today. It is fun.
>> I try do a little something every day. I emailed you and Jack Phillips in
>> May of last year with lots of questions. Thanks again. I followed Jack's
>> suggestion of extending the wing span. My wing is 32' 6". It is just about
>> ready to cover. I have the center cut-out completed now.
>>
>> --------
>> Jerry Dotson
>> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
>> Baker, FL 32531
>>
>> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
>> Ribs and tailfeathers done
>> using Lycoming O-235
>>
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303271#303271
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Subject: | Countdown has begun, Beer and Brats? |
I got a copy of the July BPA newsletter from Doc Mosher today, and there
is a picture of my wife and me after her first flight. I told her she
will be famous at Brodhead now. We'll be there Friday morning, but tell
me more about the Beer and Brats! Sure sounds better than boiled fish.
Ben Charvet
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Jerry:
Yes, you are doing a fine looking job. I am just envious of anyone who
has that much space to work in.
Tom Stinemetze
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>>> Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> 7/1/2010 12:12 PM >>>
I missed the attachments until Rick made his comment. Keep up the good
work Jerry, it looks very nice!
Ryan
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Subject: | which power plant??? |
I went with the A65 Continental for several reasons:
1. I had owned an A65 before on a J-3 Cub and was familiar with it
2. I had owned a Corvair engine before on a Corvair and was familiar with it
3. I already had all the tools I would need to overhaul the A65
4. The A65 is rated at 1500 hours TBO, and is as near bulletproof as you
are likely to find in the 50 - 125 hp range
5. I don't mind hand-propping - I rather enjoy it
6. I like the sound of the A65
7. I didn't want a Model A because I know nothing about working on it, and
don't know how to pour babbit bearings. I do like the pockita pockita
sound of it, though.
8. I would prefer a small (100 hp) radial engine, but haven't found one that
meets my requirements for cost and reliability
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of j_dunavin
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
My dad and I are really starting to ramp up this project, and we will be
ordering our plans soon. But there is some discussion on which engine we
should put in there. My argument is that we already have a source of one
possibly two corvair motors. For FREE! Not to mention all the other reasons
why I think we should go with the corvair.
He wants the Model A.
The question:
What motor do you have in your Piet, and why did you decide to use it?
Please give any and all reasons. Even if you did the Model A just for looks
alone, I want to know.
I also am going to try to make it up to Broadhead on the 24th.
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Ryan,
I have to say you put that rather nicely and devoid of the sarcasm we have
all at one time or anther shared it. For me however its hard to resist
lowering to the bait. I had considered engines by Johnson, Evenrude, Mercury,
Gray Marine, Caterpillar, Brigs & Stratton, Kabota, Yamaha, Suzuk, Subaru,
Corvair and Ford. The Evenrude, Johnson Mercury and Yamaha made sense and
had a prop already mounted at the bottom for which I found way too small for
my purposes but good in a wet application, I was not impressed with the jet
pump application of the Seadoo for flight either so I ruled out, maratime
stock and conversion propulsion systems of the out board, inboard and jets
ski applications along with the gray marine/Chrysler and catapillar
combination for obvious reasons. The Brigs and Stratton is reliable and designed
to operate at constant high Rpms but thought 5 hp wouldn't do it. Looked at
the Subaru, Corvair, Pinto and Model A. I had a couple of subarus and got
rid of them due to engine problems at relatively low mileage, the pinto 2.0
l was a possible I have a brand new one of them but weight to hp ratio is
not good and I got a couple of Model A blocks and parts but not enough hp.
I came to the realization that if I build a boat will uses a boat engine,
car car engine etc. I am building an airplane so I would use something
reliable, good weight to hp, proper rpm development for max hp and designed
for an airplane so I decided on a Lycoming 0235. Enough hp to turn a climb
prop and get me and fuel into the air well before meeting the fence.
Strong trustworthy design time tested reliable and certified by the FAA for
aviation use.
That's my story and I am sticking with it.
Do not archive unless you want to
John
In a message dated 7/1/2010 12:49:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rmueller23@gmail.com writes:
Well, in one of your earlier posts you said: "I'm concerned that my dad
and I both will not be able to fly in there as he is about 200 and I'm 225".
The good news is that if you use a Model A and you build to the plans to
keep the weight down, you can probably both fly in the airplane. The bad news
is that you are going to have to arrange for a tow-plane, as you will not
be able to bring any fuel along.
I would caution that you not let the fact that the Corvair cores are free
be one of your deciding factors in going that route. A decent core should
run you roughly somewhere between $150 and $300, generally speaking. You are
going to spend thousands more converting it for aircraft use, so the intial
cost of the cores is a pittance compared to your overall investment. If
you go the Corvair route do it because it will meet your needs for what you
want to do with the airplane, not because you saved a couple hundred bucks
at the get go.
Ryan
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:18 AM, j_dunavin <_j_dunavin@hotmail.com_
(mailto:j_dunavin@hotmail.com) > wrote:
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My dad and I are really starting to ramp up this project, and we will be
ordering our plans soon. But there is some discussion on which engine we
should put in there. My argument is that we already have a source of one
possibly two corvair motors. For FREE! Not to mention all the other reasons why
I think we should go with the corvair.
He wants the Model A.
The question:
What motor do you have in your Piet, and why did you decide to use it?
Please give any and all reasons. Even if you did the Model A just for
looks alone, I want to know.
I also am going to try to make it up to Broadhead on the 24th.
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Hi Rick,
Did you leave the second capacitor out on purpose for clarity or...am I just not
seeing it?
Thanks,
Jim
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Jul 1, 2010, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
Here you go Gary. It hasn't flown yet, but I have tested it in over an hour of
engine runs on my completed fuselage.
rick
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Rick,
You hit the brass plated steel, with cement coating nail on the head! I would love
a copy of your wiring diagram!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
I have felt your pain. I used diagrams from Mark Langfords KR2/Corvair website,
William Wynne's website and the several diagrams in the Bingelis books. None
of them included all the basic Corvair engine components (starter, dynamo, dual
coils, voltage regulator, etc). Just make sure every power lead is fused with
the correct size fuse in case something ain't right before ever connecting your
battery. Let me know if you need a copy of my wiring diagram.
rick
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Rick,
If I had a miniscule piece of your understanding of electronics, I probably wouldnt
be struggling with my electrical system. I have four different wiring diagrams,
but none the same, and none representing my system (super simple).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Simplicate and add lightness, the whole thing only weighs 200 grams and replaces
over 10 separate instruments. Yes I know, it doesn't look cool except to some
young computer geek (but i'm an old computer geek).
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done,Fuselageon gear
(20 ribs down)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine instruments
in one 3 1/4" hole.
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are shorter.Sometimes
they combine two different instruments in one such as CHT (cylinder head temp.)and
EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need such things on a four cycle
machine but I feel the more info you have coming from it the better.Just my
take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your own personal happiness with
what you want isthe best.The way you have it now may be just the way you want
it.
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing
so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've
already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in
41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to
work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables
cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments
are, and make sure you won't have interference between the
instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those
with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)
need to be checked in particular.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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Where does a person order the plans for a Pietenpol from?
Thank you,
Todd
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Subject: | Re: weekend cowl work |
Hi Mike,
I don't think I said anything before but your work on the cowl for the Corvair
really looks good. Out of metal yet!!! I really do like the way you did the bottom
curved; perfect for air outlet as well. Have you got the rest of the cowl
done yet? Love to see a picture of it complete.
Say Hi to your Dad,
Jim
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Apr 5, 2010, Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote:
That initial piece or little chin angle is a result of my wanting a smaller nose
area, but having to get around the engine and mount. That little angled area
allows me to get around that lower area. When designing my cowl I had a list
of wants. I wanted as small a nose bowl as possible while still enclosing the
front starter/ring gear. I also wanted to have a rounded bottom. If I had
done the square/flat bottom that many other corvair-piets have then I wouldn't
have needed the chin angle and things would have been easier to fabricate.
(I seem to like to make things as hard as possible whenever I can). I kinda
like how the faceted lower section came out, and it's my airplane, so I only have
to please myself. :)
Obviously everything is still
very rough and in need of a lot of cutting and fitting.
Mike Groah
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 6:14:00 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: weekend cowl work
Looking good, Mike! Im curious about the initial piece on
the bottom of the nose bowl.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 5:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: weekend cowl work
I just thought I'd post some pics of the work we got done on
the cowl this past weekend. So far we just have the nose, top and
bottom roughed in. We will get to the sides in time. We have
masking tape on the intake and cooling scoops to keep from scratching
them. We're no metal experts, but we should be able to hack a cowl out of
this. Anyways, I just thought I'd share our progress.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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Subject: | plans available here |
http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/
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Subject: | Re: Countdown has begun, Beer and Brats? |
Being a georgia redneck I am all for the beer and brats. Let me know moreabout
it . I can help out too. Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 2:24:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Countdown has begun, Beer and Brats?
I got a copy of the July BPA newsletter from Doc Mosher today, and there is a picture
of my wife and me after her first flight. I told her she will be famous
at Brodhead now. We'll be there Friday morning, but tell me more about the
Beer and Brats! Sure sounds better than boiled fish.
Ben Charvet
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Subject: | Re: which power plant??? |
> What motor do you have in your Piet, and why did you decide to use it?
> Please give any and all reasons. Even if you did the Model A just for looks alone,
I want to know.
Dont know if this will help, but you wanted to know. Im working on what may end
up being the longest Pietenpol project ever (started in 1974). I took on a
partner to build two of them in the 1980s (hes doing the wings and Im doing fuselage
and engines). We wanted the classic straight axles but Bernard warned
me that it was heavier. We rationalized that saving the weight difference with
a metal fuselage would be the way to go and commissioned a certified welder
to create two of them with conventional mounts (Continental or Lycoming flat-fours)
but we both loved the Model-A looks and sound.
We decided to make the pilgrimage to Mecca (Brodhead) specifically to compare performance
of A/C flat-fours, Corvair and Model-A engines. I took a ride with
Bill Knight (Model-A) and my partner flew with Virl Deal (Corvair) and we both
watched the different ships come and go during the weekend. In the end, we
both decided that the Model-A compared favorably with the other ships and after
getting home modified our ships to accept the Model-A. I assume its the old
theory of moving a small amount of air at a high velocity versus moving a large
volume of air slowly but we were impressed with the Model-A.
As background, I live in a forested state (Washington) where the trees are typically
150 to 200 feet tall and some airports look like swaths cut out of the trees.
I used to own and fly N2431 (now owned by Ernie Moreno) and back then it
was 150lbs overweight and the Franklin 65 engine was pretty anemic I had a
lot of fun in that plane but some stressful moments as well. Pete Bowers owned
a Model-A powered ship (688Y) nearby and it seemed to perform fine with both
of us on board.
I have not finished my Model-A project (626E) yet, nor do I know what it will weigh,
so perhaps my decision was incorrect. The advice mentioned earlier about
not selecting your power plant based on initial cost seems the wisest. You
and your dad have a dream my advice is to strive towards that dream being realistic
and safe. If youre unsure and your dad wants the Model-A, Id lean that
direction. A lot of Model-As have been replaced with conventional engines for
a lot of different reasons, but theres a lot of them still flying. Im sorry
for the ramble but I too went through your assessment process either way, its
a great experience.
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Subject: | which power plant??? |
I'm by no means an expert on anything Pietenpol. I've decided (At least fo
r now.) on a Model A. But since I started on the wings first I figure I ha
ve a couple years still to decide. Just buy the plans=2C study them=2C buy
the books watch all the EAA videos=2C get building. If you still have que
stions=2C search the archives. If you can't find an answer=2C ask=2C someo
ne will answer it. I'm on about as limited a budget as you can get. I hav
e way more time than money. Sometimes neither. But that will change. Any
one can usually find 5-10 bucks a day. (Quit somking and drinking so much b
eer:-0. That will build you an airplane. That will also hanger it and buy
some gas every month and some liability insurance. At least around here.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
> From: j_dunavin@hotmail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 1 Jul 2010 09:18:24 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> My dad and I are really starting to ramp up this project=2C and we will b
e ordering our plans soon. But there is some discussion on which engine we
should put in there. My argument is that we already have a source of one po
ssibly two corvair motors. For FREE! Not to mention all the other reasons w
hy I think we should go with the corvair.
> He wants the Model A.
> The question:
> What motor do you have in your Piet=2C and why did you decide to use it?
> Please give any and all reasons. Even if you did the Model A just for loo
ks alone=2C I want to know.
> I also am going to try to make it up to Broadhead on the 24th.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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I have been slipping since the early 60's, and I have 7 gray hairs to show for
Piet side slips, using standard built Pietenpols.
Pieti Lowell
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Subject: | Re: Countdown has begun, Beer and Brats? |
I have heard that Georgia rednecks are the worst kind (as far as rednecks
go).
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On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:49 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> Being a georgia redneck I am all for the beer and brats. Let me know
> moreabout it . I can help out too. Gardiner Mason
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
> To: Pietenpol list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 2:24:59 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Countdown has begun, Beer and Brats?
>
> I got a copy of the July BPA newsletter from Doc Mosher today, and there is
> a picture of my wife and me after her first flight. I told her she will be
> famous at Brodhead now. We'll be there Friday morning, but tell me more
> about the Beer and Brats! Sure sounds better than boiled fish.
>
> Ben Charvet
>
>
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The electronic ignition doesn't need one, only the points side.
rick
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net> wrote:
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>
> Hi Rick,
> Did you leave the second capacitor out on purpose for clarity or...am I
> just not seeing it?
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> Jim Boyer
> Santa Rosa, CA
> Pietenpol on wheels
> Tail surfaces done
> Wing ribs done
> Corvair engine
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2010, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here you go Gary. It hasn't flown yet, but I have tested it in over an ho
ur
> of engine runs on my completed fuselage.
>
> rick
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> You hit the =93brass plated steel, with cement coating nail=94 on the hea
d! I
> would love a copy of your wiring diagram!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:19 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
>
> I have felt your pain. I used diagrams from Mark Langfords KR2/Corvair
> website, William Wynne's website and the several diagrams in the Bingelis
> books. None of them included all the basic Corvair engine components
> (starter, dynamo, dual coils, voltage regulator, etc). Just make sure eve
ry
> power lead is fused with the correct size fuse in case something ain't ri
ght
> before ever connecting your battery. Let me know if you need a copy of my
> wiring diagram.
>
> rick
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> Rick,
>
> If I had a miniscule piece of your understanding of electronics, I probab
ly
> wouldn=92t be struggling with my electrical system. I have four different
> wiring diagrams, but none the same, and none representing my system (supe
r
> simple).
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:17 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: FW: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
>
> Simplicate and add lightness, the whole thing only weighs 200 grams and
> replaces over 10 separate instruments. Yes I know, it doesn't look cool
> except to some young computer geek (but i'm an old computer geek).
>
> rick
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote
:
> No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (20 ribs down=85)
> Do not archive
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
>
> Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine
> instruments in one 3 1/4" hole.
>
> rick
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
> If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are
> shorter.Sometimes they combine two different instruments in one such as
CHT
> (cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need suc
h
> things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming f
rom
> it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your
own
> personal happiness with what you want is the best.The way you have it now
> may be just the way you want it.
>
> From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
>
>
>
> Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing
> so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've
> already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in
> 41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to
> work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables
> cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments
> are, and make sure you won't have interference between the
> instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those
> with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)
> need to be checked in particular.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net href="
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank;
> -Matt Dralle, Listion" ======
> " target="_blank">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listtp://forums.matronics.co
m_blank
> ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution "
> target="_blank">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listtp://forums.matronics.co
m_blank
> ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
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Rick/Gary.
I have a diagram on my web site http://pietenpol.cpc-world.com. It is real
simple. Have a look under "aircraft systems".
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Friday, 2 July 2010 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
I have felt your pain. I used diagrams from Mark Langfords KR2/Corvair
website, William Wynne's website and the several diagrams in the Bingelis
books. None of them included all the basic Corvair engine components
(starter, dynamo, dual coils, voltage regulator, etc). Just make sure every
power lead is fused with the correct size fuse in case something ain't right
before ever connecting your battery. Let me know if you need a copy of my
wiring diagram.
rick
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Rick,
If I had a miniscule piece of your understanding of electronics, I probably
wouldn't be struggling with my electrical system. I have four different
wiring diagrams, but none the same, and none representing my system (super
simple).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Simplicate and add lightness, the whole thing only weighs 200 grams and
replaces over 10 separate instruments. Yes I know, it doesn't look cool
except to some young computer geek (but i'm an old computer geek).
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine
instruments in one 3 1/4" hole.
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are
shorter.Sometimes they combine two different instruments in one such as CHT
(cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need such
things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming from
it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your own
personal happiness with what you want is the best.The way you have it now
may be just the way you want it.
_____
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing
so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've
already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in
41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to
work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables
cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments
are, and make sure you won't have interference between the
instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those
with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)
need to be checked in particular.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net <http://www.flysquirrel.net/>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank;
-Matt Dralle, Listion" ======
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Newbie from SW Kansas |
I've been intrigued by the Pietenpol. Last weekend my son-Chance, Steve R and
I went to inspect one that was for sale. A few hours later and a handshake
I now I own a Piet. :D If everything falls into place and the weather cooperates
Steve R will fly it to it's new home.
I've been a Mooney pilot for years now I'm ready for the 'low and slow' experience.
--------
Dan
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Just in time to fly it to brodhead !
Do not archive
less yawanna
------Original Message------
From: Dan P
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ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie from SW Kansas
Sent: Jul 1, 2010 7:09 PM
I've been intrigued by the Pietenpol. Last weekend my son-Chance, Steve R and
I went to inspect one that was for sale. A few hours later and a handshake
I now I own a Piet. :D If everything falls into place and the weather cooperates
Steve R will fly it to it's new home.
I've been a Mooney pilot for years now I'm ready for the 'low and slow' experience.
--------
Dan
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303382#303382
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Subject: | Re: Newbie from SW Kansas |
Congratulations Dan. Which Piet did you purchase?
Ryan
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Dan P <dlplett@swko.net> wrote:
>
> I've been intrigued by the Pietenpol. Last weekend my son-Chance, Steve R
> and I went to inspect one that was for sale. A few hours later and a
> handshake I now I own a Piet. :D If everything falls into place and the
> weather cooperates Steve R will fly it to it's new home.
>
> I've been a Mooney pilot for years now I'm ready for the 'low and slow'
> experience.
>
> --------
> Dan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303382#303382
>
>
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Ryan, The Piet is in the NE Oklahoma area near Tulsa.
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Thats right; I still have the dual points one.
Thanks Rick
Jim
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Jul 1, 2010, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
The electronic ignition doesn't need one, only the points side.
rick
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net> wrote:
Hi Rick,
Did you leave the second capacitor out on purpose for clarity or...am I just not
seeing it?
Thanks,
Jim
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Jul 1, 2010, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
Here you go Gary. It hasn't flown yet, but I have tested it in over an hour of
engine runs on my completed fuselage.
rick
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Rick,
You hit the brass plated steel, with cement coating nail on the head! I would love
a copy of your wiring diagram!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
I have felt your pain. I used diagrams from Mark Langfords KR2/Corvair website,
William Wynne's website and the several diagrams in the Bingelis books. None
of them included all the basic Corvair engine components (starter, dynamo, dual
coils, voltage regulator, etc). Just make sure every power lead is fused with
the correct size fuse in case something ain't right before ever connecting your
battery. Let me know if you need a copy of my wiring diagram.
rick
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Rick,
If I had a miniscule piece of your understanding of electronics, I probably wouldnt
be struggling with my electrical system. I have four different wiring diagrams,
but none the same, and none representing my system (super simple).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Simplicate and add lightness, the whole thing only weighs 200 grams and replaces
over 10 separate instruments. Yes I know, it doesn't look cool except to some
young computer geek (but i'm an old computer geek).
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done,Fuselageon gear
(20 ribs down)
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine instruments
in one 3 1/4" hole.
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are shorter.Sometimes
they combine two different instruments in one such as CHT (cylinder head temp.)and
EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need such things on a four cycle
machine but I feel the more info you have coming from it the better.Just my
take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your own personal happiness with
what you want isthe best.The way you have it now may be just the way you want
it.
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing
so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've
already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in
41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to
work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables
cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments
are, and make sure you won't have interference between the
instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those
with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)
need to be checked in particular.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank; -Matt Dralle, Listion" ======
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listtp://forums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
--
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Thanks, Rick. That helps, though it's still different. I forgot you had that
weird gauge thing in your panel!! The pieces are starting to come
together.the fog's starting to lift.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
Here you go Gary. It hasn't flown yet, but I have tested it in over an hour
of engine runs on my completed fuselage.
rick
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Rick,
You hit the "brass plated steel, with cement coating nail" on the head! I
would love a copy of your wiring diagram!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
I have felt your pain. I used diagrams from Mark Langfords KR2/Corvair
website, William Wynne's website and the several diagrams in the Bingelis
books. None of them included all the basic Corvair engine components
(starter, dynamo, dual coils, voltage regulator, etc). Just make sure every
power lead is fused with the correct size fuse in case something ain't right
before ever connecting your battery. Let me know if you need a copy of my
wiring diagram.
rick
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Rick,
If I had a miniscule piece of your understanding of electronics, I probably
wouldn't be struggling with my electrical system. I have four different
wiring diagrams, but none the same, and none representing my system (super
simple).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Simplicate and add lightness, the whole thing only weighs 200 grams and
replaces over 10 separate instruments. Yes I know, it doesn't look cool
except to some young computer geek (but i'm an old computer geek).
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine
instruments in one 3 1/4" hole.
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are
shorter.Sometimes they combine two different instruments in one such as CHT
(cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need such
things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming from
it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your own
personal happiness with what you want is the best.The way you have it now
may be just the way you want it.
_____
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing
so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've
already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in
41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to
work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables
cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments
are, and make sure you won't have interference between the
instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those
with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)
need to be checked in particular.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net <http://www.flysquirrel.net/>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank;
-Matt Dralle, Listion" ======
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Subject: | Newbie from SW Kansas |
Congrats, Dan!! PICTURES, MAN, PICTURES!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan P
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 4:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie from SW Kansas
I've been intrigued by the Pietenpol. Last weekend my son-Chance, Steve R
and I went to inspect one that was for sale. A few hours later and a
handshake I now I own a Piet. :D If everything falls into place and the
weather cooperates Steve R will fly it to it's new home.
I've been a Mooney pilot for years now I'm ready for the 'low and slow'
experience.
--------
Dan
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Subject: | Re: Newbie from SW Kansas |
When are you picking it up? I live about 20 minutes from that Piet (if it's Roger
White's Piet...)
Whatever, I'm just outside Tulsa so please let me know when you're coming back
into the area.
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan P <dlplett@swko.net>
>Sent: Jul 1, 2010 6:44 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie from SW Kansas
>
>
>Ryan, The Piet is in the NE Oklahoma area near Tulsa.
>
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Peter,
You have a very nice diagram.one of the most helpful! I only have one
question: You show a 70 amp fuse to a "Master Circuit Breaker"; that seems
to say that you have a #4-6 wire all the way back to the rear panel?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
Rick/Gary.
I have a diagram on my web site http://pietenpol.cpc-world.com. It is real
simple. Have a look under "aircraft systems".
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Friday, 2 July 2010 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
I have felt your pain. I used diagrams from Mark Langfords KR2/Corvair
website, William Wynne's website and the several diagrams in the Bingelis
books. None of them included all the basic Corvair engine components
(starter, dynamo, dual coils, voltage regulator, etc). Just make sure every
power lead is fused with the correct size fuse in case something ain't right
before ever connecting your battery. Let me know if you need a copy of my
wiring diagram.
rick
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Rick,
If I had a miniscule piece of your understanding of electronics, I probably
wouldn't be struggling with my electrical system. I have four different
wiring diagrams, but none the same, and none representing my system (super
simple).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Simplicate and add lightness, the whole thing only weighs 200 grams and
replaces over 10 separate instruments. Yes I know, it doesn't look cool
except to some young computer geek (but i'm an old computer geek).
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine
instruments in one 3 1/4" hole.
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are
shorter.Sometimes they combine two different instruments in one such as CHT
(cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need such
things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming from
it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your own
personal happiness with what you want is the best.The way you have it now
may be just the way you want it.
_____
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing
so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've
already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in
41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to
work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables
cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments
are, and make sure you won't have interference between the
instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those
with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)
need to be checked in particular.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net <http://www.flysquirrel.net/>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank;
-Matt Dralle, Listion" ======
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Jim,
Have you sent your harmonic dampener up for rebuild yet? I can dig out a
couple of mine if you want to ship them together. I've been cleaning
parts and hope to start assembly later this summer.
Darrel
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Subject: | which power plant??? |
J,
My reason for choosing the Corvair was not for any of the 'good' reasons
that Ryan M. mentioned, or any of the others who gave input. In the
beginning I was truly enamored with the Model A, but eventually stumbled
upon the picture of the "Last Original." Being personally compelled to walk
a 'less traveled' path, well, the rest just followed.
BTW - Don't order the plans "soon." Order them TONIGHT!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of j_dunavin
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
My dad and I are really starting to ramp up this project, and we will be
ordering our plans soon. But there is some discussion on which engine we
should put in there. My argument is that we already have a source of one
possibly two corvair motors. For FREE! Not to mention all the other reasons
why I think we should go with the corvair.
He wants the Model A.
The question:
What motor do you have in your Piet, and why did you decide to use it?
Please give any and all reasons. Even if you did the Model A just for looks
alone, I want to know.
I also am going to try to make it up to Broadhead on the 24th.
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
This is going to be my first time at Brodhead and i think i am more excited
than Christmas!
I'll be heading down from Oshkosh on Saturday-Can't wait!!
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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Gary,
I can't remember what size it was but it was significant.
Cheers
Peter
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, 2 July 2010 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
Peter,
You have a very nice diagram.one of the most helpful! I only have one
question: You show a 70 amp fuse to a "Master Circuit Breaker"; that seems
to say that you have a #4-6 wire all the way back to the rear panel?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
Rick/Gary.
I have a diagram on my web site http://pietenpol.cpc-world.com. It is real
simple. Have a look under "aircraft systems".
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Friday, 2 July 2010 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Electrical
I have felt your pain. I used diagrams from Mark Langfords KR2/Corvair
website, William Wynne's website and the several diagrams in the Bingelis
books. None of them included all the basic Corvair engine components
(starter, dynamo, dual coils, voltage regulator, etc). Just make sure every
power lead is fused with the correct size fuse in case something ain't right
before ever connecting your battery. Let me know if you need a copy of my
wiring diagram.
rick
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Rick,
If I had a miniscule piece of your understanding of electronics, I probably
wouldn't be struggling with my electrical system. I have four different
wiring diagrams, but none the same, and none representing my system (super
simple).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Simplicate and add lightness, the whole thing only weighs 200 grams and
replaces over 10 separate instruments. Yes I know, it doesn't look cool
except to some young computer geek (but i'm an old computer geek).
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
No dials or gauges?.....Harrumph!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Or if you are really hurting for space you can have all your engine
instruments in one 3 1/4" hole.
rick
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:47 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
If there is a problem with space;the ultralight instruments are
shorter.Sometimes they combine two different instruments in one such as CHT
(cylinder head temp.)and EHT(exhaust head temp.).Now you may not need such
things on a four cycle machine but I feel the more info you have coming from
it the better.Just my take on the matter.As for set up,I agree that your own
personal happiness with what you want is the best.The way you have it now
may be just the way you want it.
_____
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 8:40:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Panel Layout
Jack: panel layout is going to be a very personal thing
so I won't offer any suggestions different from what you've
already seen here. Just two comments: (1), I have a VSI in
41CC and never look at it... seat of the pants seems to
work just as well; (2) consider that the aileron cables
cross inside the top cowl where the backs of the instruments
are, and make sure you won't have interference between the
instruments and the cables. Deeper instruments, or those
with hoses or cables coming out the back (like the tach)
need to be checked in particular.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net <http://www.flysquirrel.net/>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank;
-Matt Dralle, Listion" ======
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: | Re: Newbie from SW Kansas |
Careful, Dan...make sure the wheels are still on it when JM leaves...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie from SW Kansas
When are you picking it up? I live about 20 minutes from that Piet (if it's
Roger White's Piet...)
Whatever, I'm just outside Tulsa so please let me know when you're coming
back into the area.
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan P <dlplett@swko.net>
>Sent: Jul 1, 2010 6:44 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie from SW Kansas
>
>
>Ryan, The Piet is in the NE Oklahoma area near Tulsa.
>
>--------
>Dan
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Newbie from SW Kansas |
Nice, Dan!...been toying with that fuel tank design myself...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan P
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 4:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie from SW Kansas
Ryan, The Piet is in the NE Oklahoma area near Tulsa.
--------
Dan
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
Earl,
You should be excited! I got to go last year for the first time, but can't
make it this year. For me the Pietenpol is pure emotion, for several
reasons, and that first trip to Brodhead would bring tears to the eyes of a
lesser man...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of echobravo4
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 6:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: time is close and we are counting down
This is going to be my first time at Brodhead and i think i am more excited
than Christmas!
I'll be heading down from Oshkosh on Saturday-Can't wait!!
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
where I intended to be.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303401#303401
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Subject: | Re: Newbie from SW Kansas |
JM, That is Kevin's Piet. We should be down July 10th to pick it up. Gary,
I'll do a 'parts inventory' . [Wink]
--------
Dan
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Subject: | Re: time is close and we are counting down |
Earl,
you are in for the best adventure anyone pilot could ever have!
Do not archive
less yawanna
In a message dated 7/1/2010 9:01:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
eab4@comcast.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "echobravo4" <eab4@comcast.net>
This is going to be my first time at Brodhead and i think i am more excited
than Christmas!
I'll be heading down from Oshkosh on Saturday-Can't wait!!
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
where I intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303401#303401
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol in DFW area |
I come across this Piet found in Denton, TX. Just north of Dallas.
http://2aw.com/pietenpol.htm
I don't know the owner or whether he is interested in showing the Piet to non-buyers.
But it might be worth a try.
--------
Dan
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My fuse and wing ribs have nothing except glue,
but seeing mine in action I would have used it in
a flash on all that stuff and will when I'm putting
the wing together. That thing is the fault I wound
up with my lathe/mill combo that has already saved
me more than it cost! :-)
Clif
>> Has anyone used a pin nailer to hold their rib gussets in place? I
>> played with mine last night and it seems to me it would be good way to
>> go. The pins are 1/2 inch long and 23 gauge. That's a smaller gauge
>> than the nails (20 gauge). I would prefer a shorter length but this is
>> the shortest my Porter- Cable pin nailer will handle.
>>
>> --------
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Subject: | Re: which power plant??? |
Well put Gary, I didn't think about it earlier but that is also probably the
main reason I went for the Piet/Corvair/latex paint/etc, road less traveled.
Rick
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> J,
>
> My reason for choosing the Corvair was not for any of the 'good' reasons
> that Ryan M. mentioned, or any of the others who gave input. In the
> beginning I was truly enamored with the Model A, but eventually stumbled
> upon the picture of the "Last Original." Being personally compelled to walk
> a 'less traveled' path, well, the rest just followed.
>
> BTW - Don't order the plans "soon." Order them TONIGHT!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of j_dunavin
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:18 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: which power plant???
>
>
> My dad and I are really starting to ramp up this project, and we will be
> ordering our plans soon. But there is some discussion on which engine we
> should put in there. My argument is that we already have a source of one
> possibly two corvair motors. For FREE! Not to mention all the other reasons
> why I think we should go with the corvair.
> He wants the Model A.
> The question:
> What motor do you have in your Piet, and why did you decide to use it?
> Please give any and all reasons. Even if you did the Model A just for looks
> alone, I want to know.
> I also am going to try to make it up to Broadhead on the 24th.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303312#303312
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Countdown has begun, Beer and Brats? |
at7000ft wrote:
> I have heard that Georgia rednecks are the worst kind (as far as rednecks go).
Then they must be tied with Arkansas rednecks. [Laughing]
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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I didn't think so at the time but in the two years that it took William
Wynne to complete my order for a distributor technology had advanced enough
that I ended up with an electronic/points distributor.
rick
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net> wrote:
>
>
> Thats right; I still have the dual points one.
> Thanks Rick
> Jim
>
>
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bencharvet(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Its more fun to do it the way I did, with 3/8 inch aircraft nails held
> with needle nose pliers tapped in with a tack hammer. I remember it as
> a character building experience :-)
Same here... definitely a lesson in patience. I drove over 3700 nails using a
tac hammer and needle nosed-pliers. 126 nails per rib... more in the 6 end ribs
with extra gussets. I didn't pull mine... left em in place.
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Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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I didn't think so at the time but in the two years that it took William
Wynne to complete my order for a distributor technology had advanced enough
that I ended up with an electronic/points distributor.
rick
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net> wrote:
Thats right; I still have the dual points one.
Thanks Rick
Jim
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Subject: | Re: office staple gun |
Yes, and also the one constrained by one's significant other
for years and/or family health issues.
For the past ten years I figure mine has cost me the equivalent
of a dinner out for two each month.
Clif
Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass,
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
I believe you left out one:
The Dreamer This is the guy who eats, sleeps, and dreams airplanes
all the time but never believes he/she has the resources to ever do
anything about it (until age 54 in my case.) If he's lucky something
happens that give him/her a swift kick in the pants to get started.
>From that point on it's just a matter of perseverance. It's amazing
how much you can get accomplished $10 - $100 at a time.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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Subject: | Re: Newbie from SW Kansas |
Yep, Kevin Helf of Sand Rige Airpark (Collinsville, OK). Just a couple miles (literally)
from my place. Were you down last weekend for the Burger Bash? If
so, sorry I missed ya. I didn't even know he was selling that thing.
Roger White's is still for sale too... same field.
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Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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Subject: | Re: Newbie from SW Kansas |
You're safe...this isn't a REAL Pietenpol (Model A powered....) :-)
I do want to know what your schedule looks like for that Saturday...maybe invite
myself over to see it fly to it's new home.
And congrats! I love my Piet (project) but can sure see the benefit to buying
one ready to fly! Pretty cool!
jm....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan P <dlplett@swko.net>
>Sent: Jul 1, 2010 8:46 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie from SW Kansas
>
>
>JM, That is Kevin's Piet. We should be down July 10th to pick it up. Gary,
I'll do a 'parts inventory' . [Wink]
>
>--------
>Dan
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303410#303410
>
>
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Rick,
Its been a while since we saw your video of your engine start; so how are you coming
on your plane? By the way I have your electrical diagram printed out and
an also using it to wire mine.
Jim
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Jul 1, 2010, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't think so at the time but in the two years that it took William Wynne to
complete my order for a distributor technology had advanced enough that I ended
up with an electronic/points distributor.
rick
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net> wrote:
Thats right; I still have the dual points one.
Thanks Rick
Jim
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Hi Darrel,
No I haven't but just need to find a box and some bubble wrap to put it in. How
about we get together after the 4th and send them in. Arlene and I are going
to South Dakota to meet with my brothers to settle some property issues. We fly
out the 16th and back on the 25th.
Jim
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Jul 1, 2010, Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com> wrote:
Jim,
Have you sent your harmonic dampener up for rebuild yet? I can dig out a
couple of mine if you want to ship them together. I've been cleaning
parts and hope to start assembly later this summer.
Darrel
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm
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PLEASE READ. This document contains Pietenpol-List policies and information
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running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
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You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
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Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
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Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
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Look for the link "Image Resizer"
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for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
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Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
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updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
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distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
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information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Pietenpol-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
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available List archives.
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
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and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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