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1. 04:04 AM - Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Greg Cardinal)
2. 05:01 AM - Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Don Emch)
3. 05:02 AM - Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (skellytown flyer)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Jack Phillips)
5. 06:40 AM - Re: Coming Soon! (GliderMike)
6. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Dan Yocum)
7. 06:57 AM - Re: Airplane plans (GliderMike)
8. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Coming Soon! (Jeff Boatright)
9. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Coming Soon! (Ryan Mueller)
10. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Ben Charvet)
11. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
12. 08:11 AM - Re: Coming Soon! (GliderMike)
13. 08:28 AM - Re: Coming Soon! (GliderMike)
14. 08:53 AM - Re: Coming Soon! (John Recine)
15. 09:33 AM - Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Don Emch)
16. 09:49 AM - Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Lagowski Morrow)
17. 10:23 AM - Re: Coming Soon! (Jeff Boatright)
18. 10:24 AM - lower radiator on Scout (Jeff Boatright)
19. 10:53 AM - Re: Coming Soon! (GliderMike)
20. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Dan Yocum)
21. 11:33 AM - Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Dan Yocum)
22. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Gary Boothe)
23. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Coming Soon! (Gary Boothe)
24. 12:18 PM - Re: Coming Soon! (Dan P)
25. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Graham Hansen)
26. 01:26 PM - lower radiator on Scout (Oscar Zuniga)
27. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: Coming Soon! (Jeff Boatright)
28. 01:40 PM - Re: lower radiator on Scout (Jeff Boatright)
29. 03:39 PM - OT :: Markle Airport (Wayne Bressler)
30. 04:18 PM - Getting in the Front Seat with the Dreaded Cross Wires (kevinpurtee)
31. 04:26 PM - Re: Getting in the Front Seat with the Dreaded Cross Wires (kevinpurtee)
32. 05:04 PM - Re: OT :: Markle Airport (Gary Boothe)
33. 05:43 PM - Re: lower radiator on Scout (taildrags)
34. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: lower radiator on Scout (Jeff Boatright)
35. 08:03 PM - Re: Coming Soon! (GliderMike)
36. 08:34 PM - Re: Coming Soon! (Dan P)
37. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: Getting in the Front Seat with the Dreaded Cross Wires (Tim Willis)
38. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Coming Soon! (Clif Dawson)
39. 10:02 PM - Re: Coming Soon! (GliderMike)
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
Hi Dan,
The oil pressure on NX18235 is very consistently 35-40 psi from idle to
cruise. This is using Aeroshell 100W.
Greg Cardinal
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum137@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
>
> But this oil pressure - what do you A65 drivers get during a warm day at
> cruise speeds?
>
> Thanks
> Dan
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
Dan,
That sure is strange. I can't imagine how swapping cylinders would do that. Did
you do or change anything else? Remove and reinstall anything else? Oil tank?
Rear accessory case? Kinda digging here.
Don
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
Dan you might try cleaning the screen- it is possible it was on the edge of being
clogged and pulling the cylinder loosened up enough sludge and carbon to fall
in the engine and it migrated to what openings were left in it and closed it
off.good luck. I have heard of even pouring a couple quarts of avgas into the
case and letting it soak-I wouldn't be afraid to leave it overnight and then
drain it and re-fill the sump and try it.might save you a few hours work. Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
I agree with Don. The only thing I don't like about the small Continentals
is that the camshaft bearings are simply bored out in the aluminum crankcase
with no proper bearings installed. The first warning sign that you need an
overhaul is usually oil pressure dropping with temperature.
My A65 gets 35 psi oil pressure at all speeds unless it is very hot, at
which the idle pressure drops to about 25, running Aeroshell Oil W 100. I
tthink W100+ is a multi-viscosity oil and you might get a little pressure
back with straight 50 weight.
As for mounting another gage, that could be a very good idea. On the way to
Sun 'n' Fun this year, my oil pressure gage went bad. It would indicate 35
psi pretty much anytime, even when the engine was shut down. It had always
been very slow to come up to pressure on engine startup, which I attributed
to the long distance between the engine and the gage in the rear cockpit. I
bought a new gage at SNF and it works much better, showing pressure almost
immediately after startup and still indicating 35 psi during flight. It
might be worth hooking up a borrowed gage and see if you read the same
pressures.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 5:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Hmmm... Not good Dan. I know the manual says 10 psi at idle is okay, but
they usually will hold at least 30 psi at idle. Since it's dropping after a
few minutes is probably a sign that there is excess clearance at the crank
bearings or in the cam journals. There are some band-aid ideas out there
like trying to increase the pressure at the pressure relief spring to try to
build up more oil pressure, but unfortunately the problem most likely lies
in either the bearings or the cam journals. I feel for ya. Not a happy
thing. How much time does the lower end have on it? It would be worth
mounting another gauge just to double check. For what it's worth, I see 35
or so at almost all operating rpms, temperatures and oil weights.
Good Luck Dan!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
John, I want shirts also.
Jeff, how about substituting "Low and Slow" for "Uncomfortable?" I'm having enough
trouble selling a Piet to my wife as is, without promising "Uncomfortable."
[Wink]
Max, I thought we were supposed to avoid politics here. I like the guy from Chicago.
I like the guy from Arizona too, but I didn't and still don't like the
girl from up North.
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
Thanks everyone, for the fantastic insight. Jerry sent me a note
offlist that I think we're going to try first: it's possible some crud
got into relief valve plunger so it's not seating correctly. Should be
an easy thing to check. We're also going to check the temp gauge, too.
When we pulled the cylinder we changed the oil and cleaned the screen,
so that should be clean.
I'll let you know what we find.
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Airplane plans |
Todd and any others considering ordering plans,
Don't get in a hurry for the plans to get to you, as it could take as long as a
month for them to arrive. Same with the Corvair books, if you order them. Selling
plans is not Andrew's major source of income, and real work sometimes interferes
with getting plans out. I think Andrew is passionate about the airplanes,
but you know how it is when you have to work for a living. I really hate
it when work interferes with MY hobbies, but sometimes it is a necessary evil,
especially when I want to eat. :D I suspect my Corvair books might have
been slow getting to me because demand is probably sporadic, and it is probably
difficult to always have enough copies on hand to always fill orders quickly.
I suspect every time there is much discussion about the Corvair books, William
gets swamped with orders for them.
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Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
Mike,
Even worse - one of my versions replaced "Route of" with "Low, Slow";
replaced "The" with "And"; replaced "Pacemakers" with "Socially
Unacceptable", so it reads "Low, Slow, and Socially Unacceptable."
Jeff
>
>
>Jeff, how about substituting "Low and Slow" for "Uncomfortable?"
>I'm having enough trouble selling a Piet to my wife as is, without
>promising "Uncomfortable." [Wink]
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
Mike,
You nailed it right on the head. We should endeavour to avoid politics
here.....but then you decided not too as well. Should have stuck with your
first instinct, my friend....
I'm not going to get into any opinions about Daley based on his politics. I
will say that I despise the man because he sent bulldozers in to Meigs Field
under cover of darkness to plow large Xs into the runways, and shutdown and
destroyed the airport because he decided he would. He is an enemy of general
aviation, and that makes him a PoS. :)
Ryan
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On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:39 AM, GliderMike <glidermikeg@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> John, I want shirts also.
>
> Jeff, how about substituting "Low and Slow" for "Uncomfortable?" I'm
> having enough trouble selling a Piet to my wife as is, without promising
> "Uncomfortable." [Wink]
>
> Max, I thought we were supposed to avoid politics here. I like the guy
> from Chicago. I like the guy from Arizona too, but I didn't and still don't
> like the girl from up North.
>
> --------
> HOMEBUILDER
> Will WORK for Spruce
> Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
> GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303672#303672
>
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
Ok, this is just a thought, but it it possible that when you pulled the
cylinder and the pushrods that one of the pushrod sockets came out of
the lifter and is sitting sideways in the assembly. Are your valve
clearances at specification? I can't think of any other reason to lose
oil pressure if you didn't remove your connecting rod too. I know that
I had a similar problem removing a cylinder before. It is possible to
get the pushrod socket back into the lifter body without removing the
cylinder again, but it takes some doing. Let us know what you find. I
just rebuilt my A-65, and had 40 PSI prior to the rebuild and a solid 35
PSI afterwards, but it holds 35 PSI at all speeds and temps.
Ben
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
Couple of thoughts. Try purging the capillary tubing that carries the oil to
the gauge with oil
to get any air pockets out, reconnect.
Another gauge to compare with is a good idea.
In addition to the wear of the camshaft journals and crank journals you might have
wear starting in
the oil pump gear housing. The oil pump gear shafts go thru the aluminum alloy
housing and wear over
time. I've heard of these being rebushed (they have no bushings to begin with
like the cam journals)
or finding an accessory case that isn't worn and then installing new oil pump gears.
I'm seeing a slow erosion of my oil pressure in the past few years but it was never
that sudden like
you're experiencing.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
I thought the reference was about someone who doesn't live in Chicago any more.
I agree Daley is definitely an enemy of GA, and there probably aren't many if
any who would disagree. I don't recall ever seeing a photo of Daley, and if
I have, I probably blocked it from my mind.
Enough of the politics. I apologize for making political comments :D
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
Jeff, Piets aren't "Socially Unacceptable" are they? [Crying or Very sad] Well,
with the possible exception of the "Crank Snapping Corvairs!" (I can talk
about the Corvairs, cause I'm thinking seriously about running one!)
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
Jeff you selling too?
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Less Yawanna
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From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Coming Soon!
I made this up a while ago. It's modified from Piedmont AIrline's
logo. Their motto at the time was "Piedmont Airlines -- Route of the
Pacemakers". I changed it to be Pietenpol appropriate:
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
Dan and Mike,
I just had the rear accessory case on my Chief A-65 rebushed and it is working
out great. If you rule out other things, it really isn't too hard to check your
clearances there as long as you have the correct tools.
As far as the gauge goes... A couple of evenings ago I flew over to Barber Airport
to visit with Frank Pavliga. He said he had been flying earlier in the day.
Shortly after takeoff the oil pressure on his Lambert dropped by 20 psi.
He quickly turned around and landed. Upon shutting down the engine the needle
on the gauge indicated -20 psi. He took the gauge apart and found that the needle
had indeed come loose on its little shaft. It's possible but it doesn't
quite sound like your problem.
Anyway, let us know how the cleaning goes...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
I get ~35 psi-Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum137@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
>
> Ryan asked what weight oil I use - W100 Plus is the answer.
>
> --
> yocum@gmail.com
>
> On Jul 3, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> So, we got the cylinder installed and she fired right up and the pressure
>> came up to 40 on the gauge That was nice. So, we took off, the air temp
>> was a nice 80. 10 minutes and the pressure was 35. Ten more and it hit
>> 30. I set up to land, pulled it back to 1300rpm and the pressure dropped
>> to 15. This doesn't look good. We park and head for the computer We log
>> on to the mooney mite site and verify that idle pressure of 10 psi is
>> acceptable. Ok, we go back outside and I get my excercise for the day,
>> crankin' away. C'mon, ole girl, we're far from home and I gotta get back
>> for a family event.
>>
>> Pock-i-ta. Pock-I-ta. Pockitapockitapockitarumblerumblerumble. Ok, good.
>> I was getting tired. Thanks for starting.
>>
>> Oil pressure looks good at 35, again. Let's go. 10 more minutes. 30psi. 5
>> more. 28 psi. Hm.... Pull her back to 1300rpm, 15psi again. Land, taxi
>> back and the pressure is at 5psi. Well, ole girl, I'd love to stay and
>> chat but I've got miles to go, so let's talk about this again in a few
>> days.
>>
>> During all this the oil temp only got up to 70 on the gauge, and even
>> after we landed it didn't shoot up when the air flow went down, so maybe
>> that gauge or probe is going bad.
>>
>> But this oil pressure - what do you A65 drivers get during a warm day at
>> cruise speeds?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dan
>>
>> --
>> yocum@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
No, not selling anything right now.
>Jeff you selling too?
>
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Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | lower radiator on Scout |
The radiator on the Sky Scout that is featured on the cover of the
July BPA Newsletter has the radiator down below and in front of the
engine. Why isn't that done on other Pietenpols? I know that there is
a theoretical advantage due to thermal cycling, but does it turn out
that that makes a difference in the real world?
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
It isn't a new thing, but I like the BPA logo as shown on their webpage. I think
this links without filling in a link box. If not, for the new folks, you can
do a cut and paste. Doc puts together a nice newsletter. At $16 a year, or
$30 for two years, it is a good deal.
I'm not sure if the logo from the home page will paste, and I don't want to do
copyright infringement stuff, so I will give credit to the Brodhead Pietenpol
Association since it is their logo.
pietlogo.gif
http://www.pietenpols.org/
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
Ray made another suggestion off list which tickled my thought process: after draining
the oil 2 weeks ago I didn't refill it. Could gunk have collected and compacted
in the screen at the bottom of the suction tube?
Maybe another quick thing to check if the relief valve isn't the culprit...
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
I failed to mention that I got a consistent 35-40psi before the cylinder change,
too.
--
yocum@gmail.com
On Jul 4, 2010, at 6:03 AM, "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> The oil pressure on NX18235 is very consistently 35-40 psi from idle to cruise.
This is using Aeroshell 100W.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
"It's the #7 Fetzer Valve"...happens all the time...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
Ray made another suggestion off list which tickled my thought process: after
draining the oil 2 weeks ago I didn't refill it. Could gunk have collected
and compacted in the screen at the bottom of the suction tube?
Maybe another quick thing to check if the relief valve isn't the culprit...
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
It's not that they're "unacceptable," they're totally unknown. Walk in to
any FBO and tell them you're building a Pietenpol...then watch their eyes
glaze over...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GliderMike
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coming Soon!
Jeff, Piets aren't "Socially Unacceptable" are they? [Crying or Very sad]
Well, with the possible exception of the "Crank Snapping Corvairs!" (I can
talk about the Corvairs, cause I'm thinking seriously about running one!)
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
Gary, Not here at KLBL. When I announced I bought a Piet I was meet with big
grins and a "Cool, when can we see it?" The word traveled fast. Now I have pilots
coming up and asking me about it.
How about changing the logo on the Brodhead website from "Low and Slow since 1929"
to "Looking down on people since 1929. [Mr. Green]
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Dan
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
It is a rare thing, but I have seen this happen after an engine (A65) had
been overhauled or had internal work done..
The cause of low oil pressure was, in both cases, a bit of debris unseating
the oil pressure relief valve. The relief valve plunger was removed and the
seat area in the crankcase was cleaned. Then the plunger and spring were
re-installed. Voila! Problem solved.
Since your oil pressure was OK before the cylinder change, maybe this is the
cause of the problem. I hope so.
Cheers,
Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada
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| Subject: | lower radiator on Scout |
Jeff;
The only reason I've ever seen for mounting the
radiator up high is for thermal efficiency. The
water pump is drawing in the coolest water from
the bottom of the radiator, with positive head
into the pump. The hottest water then goes into
the top of the radiator and any air or steam is
at the highest point in the system.
With the radiator down low, you're pushing the
hot water down to the radiator and pulling it
back up... exactly the opposite of the natural
flow of things (heat rises; cool sinks). Not
to mention that if the water is hot leaving the
radiator, the water pump suction will flash it
to steam and then you have cavitation and steam
in the system.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
Well, according to my wife, they are Socially Unacceptable.
BTW, by the third day of camping at Brodhead, MANY of us are socially
unacceptable! =-O
>
>It's not that they're "unacceptable," they're totally unknown. Walk in to
>any FBO and tell them you're building a Pietenpol...then watch their eyes
>glaze over...
>
>Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Re: lower radiator on Scout |
Oscar,
Thanks much. This is what I also figure is happening, but I wonder if
it makes a difference operationally. First, have water pumps failed
in Piets, yet they were able to continue because of the thermal
efficiency/natural flow? Conversely, has the water pump failed on the
Scout more often than on the Air Camper, possibly from having to work
harder?
Just noodling while avoiding work....
Jeff
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| Subject: | OT :: Markle Airport |
I noticed this evening, a little grass strip on the New York sectional
called Markle Airport, in Phillipsburg, NJ, 2NJ6.
Owned by one Raymond Markle, the field is a comfortable 2200' long by
65' wide, and is practically right on the Delaware river.
Is this a relative of our very own Jim Markle? Seems the airplane bug
has bitten more than one "Markle" over the years. :)
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
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| Subject: | Getting in the Front Seat with the Dreaded Cross Wires |
We went to a fly-in at Ranger, TX last month. Lots of fun. A couple of EAA 59
guys from Waco took some pictures of me getting in the front seat. The photos
made it into their newsletter. Proof that it can be done, for what it's worth.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Getting in the Front Seat with the Dreaded Cross Wires |
Sorry. Learning about file sizes. Here it is, hopefully.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | OT :: Markle Airport |
Used to be owned by William Racine, but was stolen from him by Ray Markle in
a crap game...or so the story goes...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Bressler
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 3:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT :: Markle Airport
<wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
I noticed this evening, a little grass strip on the New York sectional
called Markle Airport, in Phillipsburg, NJ, 2NJ6.
Owned by one Raymond Markle, the field is a comfortable 2200' long by
65' wide, and is practically right on the Delaware river.
Is this a relative of our very own Jim Markle? Seems the airplane bug
has bitten more than one "Markle" over the years. :)
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
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| Subject: | Re: lower radiator on Scout |
Jeff; I have no idea if water pumps have failed on Fords in airplanes, but they
sure do fail in autos. The first sign could be coolant on the floor of the garage
or it could be clattering and rattling up front, but none of it is good.
I believe I've had at least one water pump failure in every car or truck I've
ever owned (I tend to keep them 7-10 years minimum, though).
I'd have to say that it would be unlikely that water flow by convection alone (hot
water rising, cooler water sinking) without benefit of a water pump would
be sufficient to cool these engines even with the radiator up top, but I've read
enough stories about Subarus and other water-cooled conversions to know that
it eliminates LOTS of problems if the vapor is at the high point of the system,
and if the high point of the system ISN'T the engine's cooling water outlet.
But yeah, I know what the Ford 'A' Piet purists all say: "Real FBOs carry antifreeze"
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: lower radiator on Scout |
Excellent points, Oscar.
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>
>Jeff; I have no idea if water pumps have failed on Fords in
>airplanes, but they sure do fail in autos. The first sign could be
>coolant on the floor of the garage or it could be clattering and
>rattling up front, but none of it is good. I believe I've had at
>least one water pump failure in every car or truck I've ever owned
>(I tend to keep them 7-10 years minimum, though).
>
>I'd have to say that it would be unlikely that water flow by
>convection alone (hot water rising, cooler water sinking) without
>benefit of a water pump would be sufficient to cool these engines
>even with the radiator up top, but I've read enough stories about
>Subarus and other water-cooled conversions to know that it
>eliminates LOTS of problems if the vapor is at the high point of the
>system, and if the high point of the system ISN'T the engine's
>cooling water outlet.
>
>But yeah, I know what the Ford 'A' Piet purists all say: "Real FBOs
>carry antifreeze"
>
>--------
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>Air Camper NX41CC
>
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"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
Dan P,
Is the air museum still there at Liberal? I've been in Liberal and through there
a bunch of times, and never went to the museum. I even flew in a hot air balloon
rally there, nearly 20 years ago. If I remember correctly, a woman named
Mary Betty something or other was in charge of Parks and Recreation there,
and set the rally up. From what I could gather, she was very well thought of
by the townspeople. I think there were about 10 or 15 balloons there, and had
a good time.
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
Mike
The Air Museum is still in business and going strong. The first Saturday in Oct
there is going to be a flyin/ airshow with the museum being involved.
Marybettie Tabor has been Recreation Activities Supervisor for many year promoting
Liberal, KS. She has also served in other civic capacities as well.
I think she has since retired.
If you ever up this way again let me know.
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Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Getting in the Front Seat with the Dreaded Cross |
Wires
Do not be fooled by these pix. Kevin is very agile and mobile, and with his aircraft
from his "day job," also hostile.
Tim in central TX
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-----Original Message-----
>From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>Sent: Jul 4, 2010 6:24 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Getting in the Front Seat with the Dreaded Cross
Wires
>
>
>Sorry. Learning about file sizes. Here it is, hopefully.
>
>--------
>Kevin Purtee
>NX899KP
>Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303734#303734
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
This is still the best one! Especialy in the original red/brown
colour.
I now have a very large wheelbarrow! New 350/19 tires
on wheels, wheels on axle, bungees in place. For all these
years sitting on old yellow milk bottle carriers it sure is a
change!
Clif
>
> It isn't a new thing, but I like the BPA logo as shown on their webpage. >
> http://www.pietenpols.org/
> GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Coming Soon! |
Dan, That is definitely the lady who was in charge of the balloon rally. When
I saw her last name, it all came back. She did a great job of promoting Liberal.
I'd like to get back down that way again sometime.
Clif, I like the decal photo, but where are the pics of the new large wheelbarrow?
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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