---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/05/10: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Dan Yocum) 2. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Dan Yocum) 3. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Dan Yocum) 4. 06:02 AM - Re: OT :: Markle Airport (Jim Markle) 5. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: lower radiator on Scout (Doug Dever) 6. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Ryan Mueller) 7. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Jeff Boatright) 8. 07:10 AM - Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout (Jack) 9. 07:33 AM - Re: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout (Jeff Boatright) 10. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Ryan Mueller) 11. 01:07 PM - Re: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout (Jack Phillips) 12. 01:40 PM - Re: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout (Ben Charvet) 13. 01:52 PM - Re: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout (Jeff Boatright) 14. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Ben Charvet) 15. 03:02 PM - Re: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout (Lagowski Morrow) 16. 03:50 PM - Re: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout (Jerry Dotson) 17. 04:25 PM - Re: Cork Floats (Rick Holland) 18. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Graham Hansen) 19. 05:09 PM - Re: Re: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout (Jack) 20. 06:13 PM - Re: Cork Floats (H RULE) 21. 06:26 PM - Re: Cork Floats (Lagowski Morrow) 22. 07:24 PM - Re: Cork Floats (H RULE) 23. 07:34 PM - Re: Cork Floats (Jeff Boatright) 24. 08:43 PM - Re: Getting in the Front Seat with the Dreaded Cross Wires (kevinpurtee) 25. 08:46 PM - Re: Cork Floats (kevinpurtee) 26. 08:53 PM - Re: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout (kevinpurtee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:27 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? Hi Ben, The shop shipped me back an entire assembled cylinder unit. Everything was put back together by them and yellow tagged. They're a reputable shop, so I would certainly hope all the clearances are within specs. I'm looking at the parts list in the overhaul manual and I'm not seeing the pushrod socket you're referring to. Do you have a parts number I should be looking at? Thanks, Dan On 07/04/2010 09:49 AM, Ben Charvet wrote: > > Ok, this is just a thought, but it it possible that when you pulled the > cylinder and the pushrods that one of the pushrod sockets came out of > the lifter and is sitting sideways in the assembly. Are your valve > clearances at specification? I can't think of any other reason to lose > oil pressure if you didn't remove your connecting rod too. I know that I > had a similar problem removing a cylinder before. It is possible to get > the pushrod socket back into the lifter body without removing the > cylinder again, but it takes some doing. Let us know what you find. I > just rebuilt my A-65, and had 40 PSI prior to the rebuild and a solid 35 > PSI afterwards, but it holds 35 PSI at all speeds and temps. > > Ben >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:35 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? Hey! It's all ball bearings nowadays. I'll just prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads. do not archive On 07/04/2010 01:30 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" > > "It's the #7 Fetzer Valve"...happens all the time... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (20 ribs down.) > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 11:22 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum > > Ray made another suggestion off list which tickled my thought process: after > draining the oil 2 weeks ago I didn't refill it. Could gunk have collected > and compacted in the screen at the bottom of the suction tube? > > Maybe another quick thing to check if the relief valve isn't the culprit... > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:37 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? That's 3 votes for the oil pressure relief valve. Ah, if engine maintenance was as "easy" as running a Democracy... wait, maybe it is, but I can't comment on that 'cause we don't talk politics here. Anyway, I had another thought - I mentioned that I drained the oil and didn't refill the sump for 2 weeks. During that time, I pulled the blade through a couple times to see if I could get a better look at the camshaft. Would pulling on a dry sump introduce air into the pressure gauge system (something Mike suggested)? On 07/04/2010 03:20 PM, Graham Hansen wrote: > > > It is a rare thing, but I have seen this happen after an engine (A65) > had been overhauled or had internal work done.. > > The cause of low oil pressure was, in both cases, a bit of debris > unseating the oil pressure relief valve. The relief valve plunger was > removed and the seat area in the crankcase was cleaned. Then the plunger > and spring were re-installed. Voila! Problem solved. > > Since your oil pressure was OK before the cylinder change, maybe this is > the cause of the problem. I hope so. > > Cheers, > > Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:59 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT :: Markle Airport I think I'll drop in next time I'm in the area!!!....that's cool. Wish I WAS related! do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Wayne Bressler >Sent: Jul 4, 2010 5:36 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT :: Markle Airport > > >I noticed this evening, a little grass strip on the New York sectional >called Markle Airport, in Phillipsburg, NJ, 2NJ6. > >Owned by one Raymond Markle, the field is a comfortable 2200' long by >65' wide, and is practically right on the Delaware river. > >Is this a relative of our very own Jim Markle? Seems the airplane bug >has bitten more than one "Markle" over the years. :) > >Wayne Bressler Jr. >Taildraggers, Inc. >taildraggersinc.com > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:20 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: lower radiator on Scout Replace the pump as part of your maintenance program. I always replace it when I replace the timing belt. The old adage that "if it ain't broke=2C d on't fix it" doesn't apply to water pumps. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with H otmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid= PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? From: Ryan Mueller Dan, The tappets/lifters are what ride on the camshaft and convert the rotary motion of the camshaft the linear motion applied to the pushrods. They consist of a couple of parts. There is the tappet body itself, which rides on the cam and slides in the bore in the case. Inside that there is the hydraulic piston assembly (which is made of two parts itself), and at the end there is a cup that slides into the tappet body. This cup is where the pushrod seats when it is installed. The cup and the hydraulic lifter should have remained in place when the cylinder was removed, and would not have gone up to PG with it. There should be a breakdown somewhere in the overhaul manual....check the ToC for a listing for tappets, or valve operation.... Ryan On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > The shop shipped me back an entire assembled cylinder unit. Everything was > put back together by them and yellow tagged. They're a reputable shop, so I > would certainly hope all the clearances are within specs. > > I'm looking at the parts list in the overhaul manual and I'm not seeing the > pushrod socket you're referring to. Do you have a parts number I should be > looking at? > > Thanks, > Dan > > > On 07/04/2010 09:49 AM, Ben Charvet wrote: > >> >> Ok, this is just a thought, but it it possible that when you pulled the >> cylinder and the pushrods that one of the pushrod sockets came out of >> the lifter and is sitting sideways in the assembly. Are your valve >> clearances at specification? I can't think of any other reason to lose >> oil pressure if you didn't remove your connecting rod too. I know that I >> had a similar problem removing a cylinder before. It is possible to get >> the pushrod socket back into the lifter body without removing the >> cylinder again, but it takes some doing. Let us know what you find. I >> just rebuilt my A-65, and had 40 PSI prior to the rebuild and a solid 35 >> PSI afterwards, but it holds 35 PSI at all speeds and temps. >> >> Ben >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:31 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? I can't remember - do you need to pump up the lifters on A series engines the way you need to do C series engines? And could this impact oil pressure if not done correctly? At 8:25 AM -0500 7/5/10, Ryan Mueller wrote: >Dan, > >The tappets/lifters are what ride on the camshaft and convert the >rotary motion of the camshaft the linear motion applied to the >pushrods. They consist of a couple of parts. There is the tappet >body itself, which rides on the cam and slides in the bore in the >case. Inside that there is the hydraulic piston assembly (which is >made of two parts itself), and at the end there is a cup that slides >into the tappet body. This cup is where the pushrod seats when it is >installed. The cup and the hydraulic lifter should have remained in >place when the cylinder was removed, and would not have gone up to >PG with it. > >There should be a breakdown somewhere in the overhaul >manual....check the ToC for a listing for tappets, or valve >operation.... > >Ryan > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:55 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout Here is the latest attempt http://textors.com/IMG_4587_640x427.jpg. Compass will be in center section, GPS on top of cowl behind windscreen. Faint diagonal lines depict aileron cables behind panel. Brown boxes below show breakers (or fuses), switches, carb heat and mixture. I've shock mounted the entire panel. Jack www.textors.com DSM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:38 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout Not that you asked, but you might consider moving the tach to where the ASI is, moving the ASI to where the altimeter is, and moving the altimeter to where the tach is. This keeps engine instruments clustered, moves tach up to where it's easier to see (much more important than altimeter, IMO, especially during early flight testing), and keeps ASI up high and in front of you, too. >Here is the latest attempt http://textors.com/IMG_4587_640x427.jpg. Compass >will be in center section, GPS on top of cowl behind windscreen. Faint >diagonal lines depict aileron cables behind panel. Brown boxes below show >breakers (or fuses), switches, carb heat and mixture. I've shock mounted the >entire panel. >Jack >www.textors.com >DSM -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? From: Ryan Mueller I don't believe so. If I recall correctly they should fill with oil once the engine is running. Especially in Dan's case with an engine that has plenty of hours on it (as opposed to first run), at most I would think they may just leak down a bit. If they weren't removed from the engine and cleaned out it shouldn't be any different than when the airplane sits for days or a week or two between flights.... Ryan On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > I can't remember - do you need to pump up the lifters on A series engines > the way you need to do C series engines? And could this impact oil pressure > if not done correctly? > > > At 8:25 AM -0500 7/5/10, Ryan Mueller wrote: > >> Dan, >> >> The tappets/lifters are what ride on the camshaft and convert the rotary >> motion of the camshaft the linear motion applied to the pushrods. They >> consist of a couple of parts. There is the tappet body itself, which rides >> on the cam and slides in the bore in the case. Inside that there is the >> hydraulic piston assembly (which is made of two parts itself), and at the >> end there is a cup that slides into the tappet body. This cup is where the >> pushrod seats when it is installed. The cup and the hydraulic lifter should >> have remained in place when the cylinder was removed, and would not have >> gone up to PG with it. >> >> There should be a breakdown somewhere in the overhaul manual....check the >> ToC for a listing for tappets, or valve operation.... >> >> Ryan >> >> > > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:34 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout I disagree, Jeff, for the following reason: The tach cable is not very flexible and will have to run down one side or the other (if you want a usable front cockpit). I would mount the tach as close to the outboard edge of the panel as possible to ease the problems routing the cable - and it will still be a problem. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 10:27 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout Not that you asked, but you might consider moving the tach to where the ASI is, moving the ASI to where the altimeter is, and moving the altimeter to where the tach is. This keeps engine instruments clustered, moves tach up to where it's easier to see (much more important than altimeter, IMO, especially during early flight testing), and keeps ASI up high and in front of you, too. >Here is the latest attempt http://textors.com/IMG_4587_640x427.jpg. Compass >will be in center section, GPS on top of cowl behind windscreen. Faint >diagonal lines depict aileron cables behind panel. Brown boxes below show >breakers (or fuses), switches, carb heat and mixture. I've shock mounted the >entire panel. >Jack >www.textors.com >DSM -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:35 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout I couldn't find any way to make the tach cable work without installing a right angle drive adapter to the tach, and then it worked better to put the tach closer to the center. Those right angle drives aren't cheap either. Ben On 7/5/2010 4:06 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > I disagree, Jeff, for the following reason: The tach cable is not very > flexible and will have to run down one side or the other (if you want a > usable front cockpit). I would mount the tach as close to the outboard edge > of the panel as possible to ease the problems routing the cable - and it > will still be a problem. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Boatright > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 10:27 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright > > Not that you asked, but you might consider moving the tach to where > the ASI is, moving the ASI to where the altimeter is, and moving the > altimeter to where the tach is. This keeps engine instruments > clustered, moves tach up to where it's easier to see (much more > important than altimeter, IMO, especially during early flight > testing), and keeps ASI up high and in front of you, too. > > > >> Here is the latest attempt http://textors.com/IMG_4587_640x427.jpg. >> > Compass > >> will be in center section, GPS on top of cowl behind windscreen. Faint >> diagonal lines depict aileron cables behind panel. Brown boxes below show >> breakers (or fuses), switches, carb heat and mixture. I've shock mounted >> > the > >> entire panel. >> Jack >> www.textors.com >> DSM >> > > -- > --- > > Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > Editor-in-Chief > Molecular Vision > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:07 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout Good point, but we have to use a right-angle adapter anyway, so didn't make much difference to us (well, er, to the guy who built it 33 years ago). Regardless, to the degree that I look at the instruments, slip indicator is first, ASI second, and tach is third in frequency of use. I am sure that it is different for people with differing levels of experience. > >I disagree, Jeff, for the following reason: The tach cable is not very >flexible and will have to run down one side or the other (if you want a >usable front cockpit). I would mount the tach as close to the outboard edge >of the panel as possible to ease the problems routing the cable - and it >will still be a problem. > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC > >-- -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:08 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? I've attached two scans from the Continental overhaul manual. I tried e-mailing the whole PDF file, but it was too large. Page 5 shows the oil flow through the tappet. Its hard to see the end socket in this view, but it is what the pushrod rests against. On page 71 there is a full breakdown, and the end socket is part #239. A simple way to tell if this is your problem would be to take that cylinder to TDC, remove the valve cover for the new cylinder, and check your valve rocker clearances against the specs. It doesn't really have anything to do with the overhaul of the cylinder. I rebuilt my motor in Jan/Feb this year, and had to pull a cylinder off. When I pulled the pushrod, one of the caps (part 239 on page 71) came out of the lifter body and was laying in the pushrod tube. It was a real bear to get back in place, but it is possible with patience. I could be way off base on this, but am just trying to figure out any way you could lose oil pressure after doing what you did. I'm not sure how much oil pressure you would lose if this was the problem, but it only requires pulling the valve cover to investigate. Ben Charvet Hoping to see your Piet at Brodhead On 7/5/2010 8:48 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > The shop shipped me back an entire assembled cylinder unit. > Everything was put back together by them and yellow tagged. They're a > reputable shop, so I would certainly hope all the clearances are > within specs. > > I'm looking at the parts list in the overhaul manual and I'm not > seeing the pushrod socket you're referring to. Do you have a parts > number I should be looking at? > > Thanks, > Dan > > On 07/04/2010 09:49 AM, Ben Charvet wrote: >> >> Ok, this is just a thought, but it it possible that when you pulled the >> cylinder and the pushrods that one of the pushrod sockets came out of >> the lifter and is sitting sideways in the assembly. Are your valve >> clearances at specification? I can't think of any other reason to lose >> oil pressure if you didn't remove your connecting rod too. I know that I >> had a similar problem removing a cylinder before. It is possible to get >> the pushrod socket back into the lifter body without removing the >> cylinder again, but it takes some doing. Let us know what you find. I >> just rebuilt my A-65, and had 40 PSI prior to the rebuild and a solid 35 >> PSI afterwards, but it holds 35 PSI at all speeds and temps. >> >> Ben >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:37 PM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout Another approach, which I used, was an electric tach. This avoided cable bend and right angle drive issues.--Jim lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout > > > I disagree, Jeff, for the following reason: The tach cable is not very > flexible and will have to run down one side or the other (if you want a > usable front cockpit). I would mount the tach as close to the outboard > edge > of the panel as possible to ease the problems routing the cable - and it > will still be a problem. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Boatright > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 10:27 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout > > > Not that you asked, but you might consider moving the tach to where > the ASI is, moving the ASI to where the altimeter is, and moving the > altimeter to where the tach is. This keeps engine instruments > clustered, moves tach up to where it's easier to see (much more > important than altimeter, IMO, especially during early flight > testing), and keeps ASI up high and in front of you, too. > > >>Here is the latest attempt http://textors.com/IMG_4587_640x427.jpg. > Compass >>will be in center section, GPS on top of cowl behind windscreen. Faint >>diagonal lines depict aileron cables behind panel. Brown boxes below show >>breakers (or fuses), switches, carb heat and mixture. I've shock mounted > the >>entire panel. >>Jack >>www.textors.com >>DSM > > > -- > --- > > Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > Editor-in-Chief > Molecular Vision > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout From: "Jerry Dotson" Here is my panel but it has not been flown. The CHT had to be moved to the left side because it gave the vertical compass a fit. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303847#303847 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a26_159.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cork Floats From: Rick Holland Am trying a mid-70s Mustang fuel tank float on mine. rick On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > I have collected almost as many articles on mechanical fuel gauges as I > have on wiring diagrams!! One of the common topics was what kind of float to > use. Most have probable seen the one that went from Axe deodorant cans to > WD40 cans. > > > No doubt, all the ideas work, but I have been stuck on good, old-fashione d > cork=85 > > > This was an easy internet search, and the cork is very cheap > (unfortunately, the shipping is not!). > > > * > http://www.corkstore.com/compass/servlet/WBServlet?webfunctionid=web.ch eckout&action=ok&time=13:50:04&quicksearch > * > > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (20 ribs down=85) > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:53 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? Another possible cause of oil pressure loss is a piece of rag partially, or totally, blocking off the lower end of the pickup tube in the tank. A friend told me he bought a used Continental A65 for his new Pietenpol and, after installing it, ran it. Initially he had oil pressure, but then the pressure dropped to zero. After checking everything they could think of they eventually removed the oil sump/tank and found a cleaning cloth had been sucked up against the pickup tube, thereby blocking it. While a cylinder is off an engine the crankcase opening is sometimes closed using rags. Possibly a piece of this material could remain inside the engine and drop into the oil sump/tank. Just a possibility that bears checking out. I do hope that something simple like this is the cause of your problem and that nothing serious is wrong with your engine. Good luck on this. Cheers, Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:07 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout Thanks to all again. When I thought everything was considered JP brings up the tach cable, thanks! Maybe an electronic is the answer??? Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout I disagree, Jeff, for the following reason: The tach cable is not very flexible and will have to run down one side or the other (if you want a usable front cockpit). I would mount the tach as close to the outboard edge of the panel as possible to ease the problems routing the cable - and it will still be a problem. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 10:27 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout Not that you asked, but you might consider moving the tach to where the ASI is, moving the ASI to where the altimeter is, and moving the altimeter to where the tach is. This keeps engine instruments clustered, moves tach up to where it's easier to see (much more important than altimeter, IMO, especially during early flight testing), and keeps ASI up high and in front of you, too. >Here is the latest attempt http://textors.com/IMG_4587_640x427.jpg. Compass >will be in center section, GPS on top of cowl behind windscreen. Faint >diagonal lines depict aileron cables behind panel. Brown boxes below show >breakers (or fuses), switches, carb heat and mixture. I've shock mounted the >entire panel. >Jack >www.textors.com >DSM -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:45 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cork Floats I went to my local wine making store and found nice size corks which I put 2 of them back to back in other words thick ends to the middle and then cov ered them in anything which is impervious to fuel,pushed the metal wire thr ough them and bent it over once through=C2-and it works just fine.=0A=0AW e had a discussion on here a few months back about what is good to cover th em with to protect against the gas and I can't remember what that was now b ut I'm sure somebody out there knows.With the ethonol in the gas now it's h ard to know what works and what doesn't anymore.=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________ _________________=0AFrom: Rick Holland =0ATo: pietenpol -list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, July 5, 2010 7:23:18 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pie tenpol-List: Cork Floats=0A=0AAm trying a mid-70s Mustang fuel tank float o n mine.=0A=0Arick=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:=0A=0AI have collected almost as many articles on mechanical fuel gauges as I have on wiring diagrams!! One of the common top ics was what kind of float to use. Most have probable seen the one that wen t from Axe deodorant cans to WD40 cans. =0A>=C2-=0A>No doubt, all the ide as work, but I have been stuck on good, old-fashioned cork=0A>=C2 -=0A>This was an easy internet search, and the cork is very cheap (unfort unately, the shipping is not!). =0A>=C2-=0A>http://www.corkstore.com/comp ass/servlet/WBServlet?webfunctionid=web.checkout&action=ok&time=13:50 :04&quicksearch= =C2-=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>Gary Boothe =0A>Cool, Ca. =0A> Pietenpol =0A>WW Corvair Conversion, mounted =0A>Tail done,=C2-Fuselage =C2-on gear =0A>(20 ribs down) =0A>=C2-=0A>=0A>=0A>" target= "_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>tp://forums.m atronics.com=0A>_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>=0A>=0A=0A =0A-- =0ARick Holland=0ACastle Rock, Colorado=0A=0A"Logic is a wreath of pr etty flowers, that smell bad" =0A ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:16 PM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cork Floats I did the same thing with 2 corks and thin stainless steel welding rod. I bent the top over after going thru a brazed in tube in the cap. The bend was located so that when it bottoms on the cap I still have ~1 hour of flying left @ 4 gallons /hr with my 65 Continental. Works fine. I epoxied the cork to seal it. Now on its 3rd year with no apparent deterioration. Gets checked every time I add fuel.--Jim lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cork Floats I went to my local wine making store and found nice size corks which I put 2 of them back to back in other words thick ends to the middle and then covered them in anything which is impervious to fuel,pushed the metal wire through them and bent it over once through and it works just fine. We had a discussion on here a few months back about what is good to cover them with to protect against the gas and I can't remember what that was now but I'm sure somebody out there knows.With the ethonol in the gas now it's hard to know what works and what doesn't anymore. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 7:23:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cork Floats Am trying a mid-70s Mustang fuel tank float on mine. rick On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: I have collected almost as many articles on mechanical fuel gauges as I have on wiring diagrams!! One of the common topics was what kind of float to use. Most have probable seen the one that went from Axe deodorant cans to WD40 cans. No doubt, all the ideas work, but I have been stuck on good, old-fashioned cork This was an easy internet search, and the cork is very cheap (unfortunately, the shipping is not!). http://www.corkstore.com/compass/servlet/WBServlet?webfunctionid=web.ch eckout&action=ok&time=13:50:04&quicksearch= Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:45 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cork Floats What kind of epoxy did you use?=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________ ____________________=0AFrom: Lagowski Morrow =0ATo: pie tenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, July 5, 2010 9:25:05 PM=0ASubject: R e: Pietenpol-List: Cork Floats=0A=0A=EF=BB =0AI did the same thing with 2 corks and thin stainless steel welding rod. I bent the top over after goi ng thru a brazed in tube in the cap. The bend was located so that when it b ottoms on the cap I still have ~1 hour of flying left @ 4 gallons /hr with my 65 Continental. Works fine. I epoxied the cork to seal it. Now on its 3r d year with no apparent deterioration. Gets checked every time I add fuel.- -Jim lagowski=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: H RULE =0A>To: piete npol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 9:12 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cork Floats=0A>=0A>=0A>I went to my local wine making store and found nice size corks which I put 2 of them back to back in other words thick ends to the middle and then covered them in anything which is impervious to fuel,pushed the metal wire through them and bent it over once through=C2-and it works just fine.=0A>=0A>We had a discussion on here a few months back about what is good to cover them with to protect against th e gas and I can't remember what that was now but I'm sure somebody out ther e knows.With the ethonol in the gas now it's hard to know what works and wh at doesn't anymore.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Rick Holland =0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Se nt: Mon, July 5, 2010 7:23:18 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cork Float s=0A>=0A>Am trying a mid-70s Mustang fuel tank float on mine.=0A>=0A>rick =0A>=0A>=0A>On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:=0A>=0A>I have collected almost as many articles on mechanical f uel gauges as I have on wiring diagrams!! One of the common topics was what kind of float to use. Most have probable seen the one that went from Axe d eodorant cans to WD40 cans. =0A>>=C2-=0A>>No doubt, all the ideas work, b ut I have been stuck on good, old-fashioned cork=0A>>=C2-=0A>>Th is was an easy internet search, and the cork is very cheap (unfortunately, the shipping is not!). =0A>>=C2-=0A>>http://www.corkstore.com/compass/ser vlet/WBServlet?webfunctionid=web.checkout&action=ok&time=13:50:04&qui cksearch= =C2-=C2-=0A>>=C2-=0A>>Gary Boothe =0A>>Cool, Ca. =0A>>Pie tenpol =0A>>WW Corvair Conversion, mounted =0A>>Tail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2 -on gear =0A>>(20 ribs down) =0A>>=C2-=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>" target ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>>tp://foru ms.matronics.com=0A>>_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>>=0A> >=0A>=0A>=0A>-- =0A>Rick Holland=0A>Castle Rock, Colorado=0A>=0A>"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>href="http:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Naviga tor?Pietenpol-List=0A>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.ma tronics.com=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.ma ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:33 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cork Floats I did as Jim did. I used T-88 to seal. So far so good, but then, I only use avgas (our auto fuel is too suspect around here). >What kind of epoxy did you use? >do not archive > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Getting in the Front Seat with the Dreaded Cross Wires From: "kevinpurtee" I am sweet and cuddly, Tim:) do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303879#303879 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cork Floats From: "kevinpurtee" I used the exact same float from the Ford dealer that Rick Holland shows. Attached it a little different, but the idea is identical. So far so good. -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303880#303880 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Yet Another Attempt at Panel Layout From: "kevinpurtee" Jack - I'm having good luck with my electronic tach. Looks kinda modern in the panel (thus matching the GPS and the handheld). It works well and was simple to install. -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303882#303882 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.