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1. 03:42 AM - Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant (Tim Willis)
2. 04:34 AM - Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 06:20 AM - Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) (John Recine)
4. 07:12 AM - Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant (wizzard187@aol.com)
5. 07:18 AM - Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) (Jack Phillips)
6. 07:34 AM - 3GP video file conversion- off topic (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 08:18 AM - Re: Ohio Corvair Fly-IN - Part 2 (Skip Gadd)
8. 09:05 AM - Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) (Gene & Tammy)
9. 09:14 AM - Registration numbers- OT (Don Emch)
10. 09:31 AM - Re: Registration numbers- OT (gcardinal@comcast.net)
11. 09:37 AM - Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant (tkreiner)
12. 09:42 AM - Re: Registration numbers- OT (Dave Abramson)
13. 10:01 AM - Continental A75 Eyebrows (Gerry Holland)
14. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant (H RULE)
15. 10:22 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Dan Yocum)
16. 10:23 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Ash)
17. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant (Jeff Boatright)
18. 10:34 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Ryan Mueller)
19. 10:59 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Gerry Holland)
20. 11:09 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Ash)
21. 11:09 AM - Avionics thoughts (j_dunavin)
22. 11:43 AM - Re: hole sizes (womenfly2)
23. 11:59 AM - Re: Avionics thoughts (Ryan Mueller)
24. 12:18 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (Ben Charvet)
25. 12:45 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (Dan Yocum)
26. 01:37 PM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jack Phillips)
27. 01:45 PM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Gerry Holland)
28. 02:28 PM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Ash)
29. 02:34 PM - Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant (tkreiner)
30. 02:56 PM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jack Phillips)
31. 03:24 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (j_dunavin)
32. 03:50 PM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Ash)
33. 04:30 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (dgaldrich)
34. 04:49 PM - In Dallas (Grand Prairie) on Sunday Evening (kevinpurtee)
35. 05:07 PM - Fuel at Brodhead (kevinpurtee)
36. 06:07 PM - Re: Ohio Corvair Fly-IN - Part 2 (Kip and Beth Gardner)
37. 06:37 PM - Re: Fuel at Brodhead (Dan Yocum)
38. 08:12 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (Doug Dever)
39. 08:23 PM - Re: Fuel at Brodhead (Ryan Mueller)
40. 08:24 PM - center flop thoughts (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
41. 09:32 PM - Re: Registration numbers- OT (Clif Dawson)
42. 10:30 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (flea)
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| Subject: | Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant |
The ethanol push in the USA is a political issue, a sop to farmers and greenies.
Both parties, Congress, executive, several agencies are all involved. Expect
more before November.
I don't believe anything postive in the PR about ethanol except the octane rating.
I wish the claims for ethanol were better; e.g. for national energy independence,
etc..
BTW, biodiesel has a better case.
This is a real problem for GA, esp. many homebuilts, esp. if 100LL is phased
out, too.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: H RULE
Sent: Jul 6, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant
I can tell you for certain that here in Canada their intent is to go 100% ethonol
in the future.
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From: Jason Holmes <jholmes8@centurylink.net>
Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 8:04:44 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant
Not to be the bearer of bad news but the EPA may be approving a waiver for gasoline
to move to 15% ethanol from the current max of 10% (or E10). I believe they
want to make this decision in October or November. If they approve the waiver
request for E15, a waiver request for E20 or E25 will be placed shortly after.
Someone mentioned that premium fuel may not have ethanol but you have to
remember that ethanol has a much higher octane than gasoline so they can blend
in ethanol to get the premium fuel up to 92 octane.
Either way, you cannot buy any gasoline in central Ohio that is not at least E7
or E8 and most of the time they are right at E10 (or so I was told by a fuel
supplier).
How will E15 or E20 affect the current fleet of cars, trucks, small engines, motorcycles,
airplanes, etc? Well, lots of money is being spent by the government
to find out about how cars are affected. A little was spent trying to find
out how small engines were affected. To my knowledge, no money has been spent
on motorcycles, airplanes, boat engines, or snow mobiles. If you google mid-level
ethanol blends you should come up with all kinds of interesting studies
and reports from the government, the CRC, and other groups.
My two cents,
Jason Holmes
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fay
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 4:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant
Harvey,
I need to correct you on one point in your rant on ethanol. You said that the
only advantage you could see was that it is a little cheaper, but when you take
into account the decreased mileage, you weren't even sure if that was worth
it. It is NOT cheaper. It actually costs substantially more that straight gasoline,
but the government subsidizes it so that you won't notice that. If they
didn't a gallon of gasohol would actually cost about 10 - 15 cents than pure
gasoline. If you look at the extended economic effects, it gets even worse.
The increasing use of it is one of the main reason our food costs have been
going up the last three years, and a couple years ago they even had some riots
in Mexico, because the government there had to raise the price of tortillas.
But if we really want to get into the effects of the decisions made by our solons,
it would probably make me so mad, I wouldn't be able to build, so I'll drop
it.
I glued up my secon elevator this afternoon. I did the first one back in July
of '02. This evening I'll draw out and begin building either the fin or rudder.
I decided not to make any enlargement of the fin. So I am finally making
progress again.
See you all at Brodhead
Do not archive.
John Fay
in Peoria
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A CARBS AND CARB HEAT)
Hi Dan,
I am in TN now building my new hangar. Will not be home till 7/13 so no wo
rk being done on my Piet, but I fully anticipate being at Brodhead with he
r. I have a handle on my engine issues and will address when I get back.
Thanks for asking.
Dan Helsper
Poplar grove, IL.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:39 pm
Subject: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List: MODEL
A CARBS AND CARB HEAT)
Speaking of Mr. Helsper. How are things going with your new infatuation?
How many more hours do you have on 'er and have you solved the engine cutt
ing out when landing problem?
Dan
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On Jul 6, 2010, at 7:37 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
Hi Papa,
I have only tested my A with the carb heat in place. It runs 1860 static,
with the model B carb. I am turning my home-made 46/76 prop.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: 899PM <rockriverrifle@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT
For those of you running Model A's....what carb are you using? What drop
have
ou seen with the application of carb heat. With the only other change bein
g
rom auto gas to 100LL I saw a drop of 110rpm after hooking up the carb hea
t
esterday. This seems excessive. Was turning 1860rpm with a 76-42 Sensenich
wood
rop. Could only get 1750 yesterday.
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| Subject: | Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant |
As a Iowa farmer I( probably see things a little different). Remember the
pbcs that were so bad that was replaced with ethanol and do you think we
would be in a nine year war that cost billions and hundreds of lives
if it was not for our need for oil? Add that to the cost of oil Back to
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From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 5:41 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant
net>
The ethanol push in the USA is a political issue, a sop to farmers and
reenies. Both parties, Congress, executive, several agencies are all invo
lved.
xpect more before November.
I don't believe anything postive in the PR about ethanol except the octa
ne
ating.
I wish the claims for ethanol were better; e.g. for national energy
ndependence, etc..
BTW, biodiesel has a better case.
This is a real problem for GA, esp. many homebuilts, esp. if 100LL is ph
ased
ut, too.
im in central TX
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ent: Jul 6, 2010 7:17 PM
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ubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant
I can tell you for certain that here in Canada their intent is to go 100%
thonol in the future.
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From: Jason Holmes <jholmes8@centurylink.net>
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
ent: Tue, July 6, 2010 8:04:44 PM
ubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant
Not to be the bearer of bad news but the EPA may be approving a waiver for
asoline to move to 15% ethanol from the current max of 10% (or E10). I be
lieve
hey want to make this decision in October or November. If they approve th
e
aiver request for E15, a waiver request for E20 or E25 will be placed shor
tly
fter. Someone mentioned that premium fuel may not have ethanol but you ha
ve to
emember that ethanol has a much higher octane than gasoline so they can bl
end
n ethanol to get the premium fuel up to 92 octane.
ither way, you cannot buy any gasoline in central Ohio that is not at leas
t E7
r E8 and most of the time they are right at E10 (or so I was told by a fue
l
upplier).
ow will E15 or E20 affect the current fleet of cars, trucks, small engines
,
otorcycles, airplanes, etc? Well, lots of money is being spent by the
overnment to find out about how cars are affected. A little was spent try
ing
o find out how small engines were affected. To my knowledge, no money has
been
pent on motorcycles, airplanes, boat engines, or snow mobiles. If you goo
gle
mid-level ethanol blends=9D you should come up with all kinds of int
eresting
tudies and reports from the government, the CRC, and other groups.
y two cents,
ason Holmes
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st-server@matronics.com]
n Behalf Of John Fay
ent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 4:58 PM
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant
Harvey,
I need to correct you on one point in your rant on ethanol. You said that
the
nly advantage you could see was that it is a little cheaper, but when you
take
nto account the decreased mileage, you weren't even sure if that was worth
it.
t is NOT cheaper. It actually costs substantially more that straight gaso
line,
ut the government subsidizes it so that you won't notice that. If they di
dn't
gallon of gasohol would actually cost about 10 - 15 cents than pure gasol
ine.
f you look at the extended economic effects, it gets even worse. The
ncreasing use of it is one of the main reason our food costs have been goi
ng up
he last three years, and a couple years ago they even had some riots in Me
xico,
ecause the government there had to raise the price of tortillas.
But if we really want to get into the effects of the decisions made by our
olons, it would probably make me so mad, I wouldn't be able to build, so
I'll
rop it.
I glued up my secon elevator this afternoon. I did the first one back in
July
f '02. This evening I'll draw out and begin building either the fin or ru
dder.
decided not to make any enlargement of the fin. So I am finally making
rogress again.
See you all at Brodhead
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A CARBS AND CARB HEAT)
I=92ll be going to Brodhead in Ryan Mueller=92s new Piet (N502R),
leaving from
Jackson, TN (MKL) and flying up with Randy Bush (NX294RB)
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Recine
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List:
MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT)
Dan where in Tn at ya I am in Memphis till this friday. Anyone with in
Memphis with a Piet or going to brodhead?
Lemmeno
John
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MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT)
Hi Dan,
I am in TN now building my new hangar. Will not be home till 7/13 so no
work
being done on my Piet, but I fully anticipate being at Brodhead with
her. I
have a handle on my engine issues and will address when I get back.
Thanks
for asking.
Dan Helsper
Poplar grove, IL.
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From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:39 pm
Subject: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List:
MODEL A
CARBS AND CARB HEAT)
Speaking of Mr. Helsper. How are things going with your new infatuation?
How many more hours do you have on 'er and have you solved the engine
cutting out when landing problem?
Dan
--
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On Jul 6, 2010, at 7:37 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
Hi Papa,
I have only tested my A with the carb heat in place. It runs 1860
static,
with the model B carb. I am turning my home-made 46/76 prop.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: 899PM <rockriverrifle@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT
<mailto:rockriverrifle@hotmail.com> rockriverrifle@hotmail.com>
For those of you running Model A's....what carb are you using? What drop
have
you seen with the application of carb heat. With the only other change
being
from auto gas to 100LL I saw a drop of 110rpm after hooking up the carb
heat
yesterday. This seems excessive. Was turning 1860rpm with a 76-42
Sensenich
wood
prop. Could only get 1750 yesterday.
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Anybody have file conversion software to convert
cellphone 3GP videos to something like .wmv, .mpg, or
other filetype that I can handle and view? I'm
not too savvy in this field. My brother took two
videos of me in the Piet but I can't view them.
Contact me off-list; thanks.
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Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Kip,
Ed and I hope to fly our Piets up Friday or Saturday.
Skip
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> We have re-scheduled the fly-in in conjunction with the annual
> Taylotcraft / Aeronca Fly-in which is also held annually at Barber
> Field (2D1).
>
> It will be held on July 10th and 11th.
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A CARBS AND CARB HEAT)
Hi Dan,
Your sure picked the nice cool weather here in Paris to build your new
hanger. Welcome home.
Gene
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List:
MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT)
Hi Dan,
I am in TN now building my new hangar. Will not be home till 7/13 so no
work being done on my Piet, but I fully anticipate being at Brodhead
with her. I have a handle on my engine issues and will address when I
get back. Thanks for asking.
Dan Helsper
Poplar grove, IL.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:39 pm
Subject: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List:
MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT)
Speaking of Mr. Helsper. How are things going with your new infatuation?
How many more hours do you have on 'er and have you solved the engine
cutting out when landing problem?
Dan
--
yocum@gmail.com
On Jul 6, 2010, at 7:37 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
Hi Papa,
I have only tested my A with the carb heat in place. It runs 1860
static, with the model B carb. I am turning my home-made 46/76 prop.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: 899PM <rockriverrifle@hotmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:14 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT
<rockriverrifle@hotmail.com>
For those of you running Model A's....what carb are you using? What drop
have
you seen with the application of carb heat. With the only other change
being
from auto gas to 100LL I saw a drop of 110rpm after hooking up the carb
heat
yesterday. This seems excessive. Was turning 1860rpm with a 76-42
Sensenich wood
prop. Could only get 1750 yesterday.
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Does anyone know where I might be able to find information on the old 30" tall
squared off wing numbers that were required in the 30's. My dad and I want to
lay them out on our Aeronca wings and I can't seem to find the info on them.
I know there is a diagram somewhere online, but can't seem to find it.
Thanks,
Don Emch
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That info is in the Construction section of www.westcoastpiet.com
Greg Cardinal
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Does anyone know where I might be able to find information on the old 30" t
all squared off wing numbers that were required in the 30's. =C2-My dad a
nd I want to lay them out on our Aeronca wings and I can't seem to find the
info on them. =C2-I know there is a diagram somewhere online, but can't
seem to find it.
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Don Emch
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| Subject: | Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant |
Guys,
There is a group of engineers at The Univ. of Houston (my part of TX), that is
in the process of establishing pure ethanol as the fuel for GA piston aircraft.
According to the guy I know, they have already filled out paperwork to have the
fuel approved by the FAA for C-150's, 152's, and a host of other aircraft up
to 200 Hp.
In order to certify, they had to change out all rubber components in the fuel system
to polyurethane, which is completely resistant to the swelling that occurs
with rubber. Along with the polyurethane, they have worked thru many of the
issues related to mixture, leaning, etc. Their intent is to certify GA piston
a/c for use with both fuels, or heavy blends of Ethanol.
Just my .02 for what it's worth...
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Hi Don!
I know that Charles Lindbergh hired a "sign painter" to do his on the Sprit!
dave
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Registration numbers- OT
Does anyone know where I might be able to find information on the old 30"
tall squared off wing numbers that were required in the 30's. My dad and I
want to lay them out on our Aeronca wings and I can't seem to find the info
on them. I know there is a diagram somewhere online, but can't seem to find
it.
Thanks,
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Continental A75 Eyebrows |
Hi to all.
Advice or guidance required.
If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew
them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while?
Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben
are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
07808 402404
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Unfortunately this doesn't help any of us who are using old technology.My e
ngine =0Ais an 80hp Franklin(1940's technology)Marvel Sheblar carb etc.Gove
rnments and =0Aindustry has gone ahead with no regard for the old tech.Swit
ching over in some =0Acases can cost thousands of dollars and I am retired
now.It means I have to try =0Aand sell what I got to some poor unsuspecting
bloke who will ,when he catches up =0Awith what has happened to him ,be no
t too happy either.Unless of course he has =0Adeep pockets.I can't imagine
what some guys are going through who have-equipment =0Aolder than mine.
-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: tkreiner <tkrein
er@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, July 7, 2010
12:37:26 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant=0A=0A
Guys,=0A=0AThere is a group of engineers at The Univ. of Houston (my part o
f TX), that is =0Ain the process of establishing pure ethanol as the fuel f
or GA piston aircraft.- =0A=0A=0AAccording to the guy I know, they have a
lready filled out paperwork to have the =0Afuel approved by the FAA for C-1
50's, 152's, and a host of other aircraft up to =0A200 Hp.- =0A=0A=0AIn o
rder to certify, they had to change out all rubber components in the fuel
=0Asystem to polyurethane, which is completely resistant to the swelling th
at =0Aoccurs with rubber.- Along with the polyurethane, they have worked
thru many of =0Athe issues related to mixture, leaning, etc.- - Their i
ntent is to certify GA =0Apiston a/c for use with both fuels, or heavy blen
ds of Ethanol.=0A=0AJust my .02 for what it's worth...=0A=0A--------=0ATom
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| Subject: | Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows |
I would recommend against it. Jack Phillips had some problems with his
cylinders running hot when one of the tabs holding the eyebrow to the
engine broke. I think it caused some internal damage if I recall
correctly. Of course, the rest of the story is in the archives.
Just use some thick poster paper to lay on top of the eyebrows, in
place, and keep cutting until you get the right shape.
Cheers!
Dan
On 07/07/2010 11:59 AM, Gerry Holland wrote:
> Hi to all.
> Advice or guidance required.
> If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to
> renew them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while?
> Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my
> Corben are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached.
> Regards
> Gerry
>
> Gerry Holland
> 07808 402404
> _gholland@content-stream.co.uk
> _*
> *Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK
>
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Don't do it.
While I can't say I've seen it in an airplane, I've toyed with Corvairs for many
years. those engines have special baffling on the back sides of the air flow
to direct it to the back fins. People who rebuild Corvair engines without knowing
what they're doing sometimes leave them off. Without the baffling, there
isn't any serious airflow back there, just turbulence, and things don't get cooled
properly. The result is that the bottoms of the cylinders overheat and crystallize.
The inside of those jugs have that distinctive blue hue of overheated
metal. At that point, they're trash.
Jim Ash
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From: Gerry Holland
Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Hi to all.
Advice or guidance required.
If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew them
would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while?
Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben are open
Piper J3 type. Photo attached.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
07808 402404
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK
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Tom,
Do you know if they looked at effects of ethanol on the internals of
Strombergs, M-Ss, and other carbs heavily used in the installed fleet?
Thanks,
Jeff
>
>Guys,
>
>There is a group of engineers at The Univ. of Houston (my part of
>TX), that is in the process of establishing pure ethanol as the fuel
>for GA piston aircraft.
>
>According to the guy I know, they have already filled out paperwork
>to have the fuel approved by the FAA for C-150's, 152's, and a host
>of other aircraft up to 200 Hp.
>
>In order to certify, they had to change out all rubber components in
>the fuel system to polyurethane, which is completely resistant to
>the swelling that occurs with rubber. Along with the polyurethane,
>they have worked thru many of the issues related to mixture,
>leaning, etc. Their intent is to certify GA piston a/c for use
>with both fuels, or heavy blends of Ethanol.
>
>Just my .02 for what it's worth...
>
>--------
>Tom Kreiner
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304050#304050
>
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"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows |
Additionally, at least on an A-75, if you remove the eyebrows the
inter-cylinder baffling doesn't even come in to play because you are no
longer collecting the incoming air and attempting to direct it between the
cooling fins on the cylinders. Especially at the slow speeds a Piet/Corben
would fly at you will "overheat" the engine, at the very least damaging the
rear cylinders as they will run quite hot.
Just more motivation to quickly knock out a new set of eyebrows so you can
get back to flying...
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Don't do it.
>
> While I can't say I've seen it in an airplane, I've toyed with Corvairs for
> many years. those engines have special baffling on the back sides of the air
> flow to direct it to the back fins. People who rebuild Corvair engines
> without knowing what they're doing sometimes leave them off. Without the
> baffling, there isn't any serious airflow back there, just turbulence, and
> things don't get cooled properly. The result is that the bottoms of the
> cylinders overheat and crystallize. The inside of those jugs have that
> distinctive blue hue of overheated metal. At that point, they're trash.
>
> Jim Ash
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerry Holland
> Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>
> Hi to all.
> Advice or guidance required.
> If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew
> them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while?
> Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben
> are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached.
> Regards
> Gerry
>
> Gerry Holland
> 07808 402404
> gholland@content-stream.co.uk
>
> Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK
>
>
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Thanks Guys for your very good advice based on experience.
I will make =8Ccard=B9 templates as is and leave them on. Thanks for that Dan.
Obvious and I didn=B9t see it!
Regards to you all and hoping weather being kind in US.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows |
Assuming your old ones are minimally usable, there's a copying technique used by
metal shapers which could serve you well here:
Sometimes this can be done with the part in place, but in this case, you'll probably
want to remove them.
Get a few rolls of low-tack painter's tape (the blue stuff), not too wide, maybe
3/4-1". Completely cover the eyebrow surface with it, in parallel strips, slightly
overlapping. Now get some fiberglass-reinforced tape, and lay that in similar
fashion, but across the 'grain' of the painter's tape. The concept here
is to lay the tape down like plywood. Some people stop here, but I always add
another layer of fiberglass tape so I've got two cross-grains of the fiberglass,
for strength. Poke holes or mark with a sharpie any rivets, fittings or assorted
doo-dads you'll need to reference for the new one. Carefully peel the mess
off. Sprinkle talcum powder on the inside of the form to destroy the remaining
tack from the painter's tape.
You now have a preserved image of the shape. Put the eyebrows back on the plane
and go flying. When the weather sucks, use the tape form as the reference to
make a new one. FYI - Some things in pairs like this are mirror images of each
other. If that's truly the case here (and I don't know if it is), you can turn
the form inside-out and make its mate also.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerry Holland
Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Hi to all.
Advice or guidance required.
If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew them
would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while?
Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben are open
Piper J3 type. Photo attached.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
07808 402404
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK
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| Subject: | Avionics thoughts |
Just wondering what other's thoughts are on more modern avionics?
Obviously an intercom is pretty important, unless you where building a scout.
What are others doing for Comm and Nav? Or maybe no Nav? Transponder?
I was thinking on a hand held NavComm. That way I would not always have to have
one with me. As in if I was just flying down to my dad's grass airstrip.
I also am considering some sort of hand held GPS. Maybe one of those that run off
of your palm pilot.
Like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aviation-Garmin-portable-moving-map-GPS-HSI-navigation-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem563c973ab2QQitemZ370383731378QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear
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[Idea] You can also use linseed oil. Good penetration into the wood and no build
up in the hole. One can use a squeeze bottle with a nozzle to apply it.
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics thoughts |
It would depend on how you plan to use the airplane, and also how much money
you want to spend. Your stated budget doesn't leave much room for anything
beyond a handheld.
You should probably start planning your color scheme soon...
Ryan
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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:08 PM, j_dunavin <j_dunavin@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just wondering what other's thoughts are on more modern avionics?
> Obviously an intercom is pretty important, unless you where building a
> scout.
> What are others doing for Comm and Nav? Or maybe no Nav? Transponder?
> I was thinking on a hand held NavComm. That way I would not always have to
> have one with me. As in if I was just flying down to my dad's grass
> airstrip.
> I also am considering some sort of hand held GPS. Maybe one of those that
> run off of your palm pilot.
> Like this:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aviation-Garmin-portable-moving-map-GPS-HSI-navigation-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem563c973ab2QQitemZ370383731378QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304065#304065
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics thoughts |
Most of us are using handheld radios. They are available with a NAV
function, but I don't think it would be very useful in a Piet. I also
carry a hand-held GPS if I'm going any distance. If you don't have an
electric system with an alternator (like a hand-prop Continental) you
aren't required to have a transponder. If you have a charging system
you have to have a transponder. I think this is one advantage the
Continenal has over most Corvair installations. I have an intercom, but
only turn it on when I have something important to say, because the
noise it makes in the headsets is irritating to me.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
On 7/7/2010 2:08 PM, j_dunavin wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "j_dunavin"<j_dunavin@hotmail.com>
>
> Just wondering what other's thoughts are on more modern avionics?
> Obviously an intercom is pretty important, unless you where building a scout.
> What are others doing for Comm and Nav? Or maybe no Nav? Transponder?
> I was thinking on a hand held NavComm. That way I would not always have to have
one with me. As in if I was just flying down to my dad's grass airstrip.
> I also am considering some sort of hand held GPS. Maybe one of those that run
off of your palm pilot.
> Like this:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aviation-Garmin-portable-moving-map-GPS-HSI-navigation-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem563c973ab2QQitemZ370383731378QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304065#304065
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics thoughts |
Avionics? Who needs avionics?!??
Heck, when I enter class D airspace at 200ktas and 50' off the deck, the
guys in the tower barely have enough time to grab the light-gun to wave
me off, let alone make a note of the three foot high N number on the
side of my plane.
But, seriously, another really nice reason I like the A65 is that it
requires me to stay away from all those fancy airports with big tall
buildings and that evil, ground-loop-inducing, hard surface. Grass is
where it's at!
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Continental A75 Eyebrows |
As Harry Fenton (the Guru of small Continental engines) told me, any
airplane that doesn't have cooling shrouds or a pressure cowling will
eventually have problems with the cylinders due to insufficient cooling. I
had pointed out a Rose Parrakeet that had no shrouds at all. He just said
"it's a matter of time". And I can tell you, any time you have cylinder
problems, those are EXPENSIVE problems.
I just made a new set of shrouds for my Pietenpol after my initial set
cracked for the third time (new set is thicker, stronger material). It only
took a few hours' work to make a set, when you have the old set for a
pattern.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Additionally, at least on an A-75, if you remove the eyebrows the
inter-cylinder baffling doesn't even come in to play because you are no
longer collecting the incoming air and attempting to direct it between the
cooling fins on the cylinders. Especially at the slow speeds a Piet/Corben
would fly at you will "overheat" the engine, at the very least damaging the
rear cylinders as they will run quite hot.
Just more motivation to quickly knock out a new set of eyebrows so you can
get back to flying...
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
Don't do it.
While I can't say I've seen it in an airplane, I've toyed with Corvairs for
many years. those engines have special baffling on the back sides of the air
flow to direct it to the back fins. People who rebuild Corvair engines
without knowing what they're doing sometimes leave them off. Without the
baffling, there isn't any serious airflow back there, just turbulence, and
things don't get cooled properly. The result is that the bottoms of the
cylinders overheat and crystallize. The inside of those jugs have that
distinctive blue hue of overheated metal. At that point, they're trash.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerry Holland
Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Hi to all.
Advice or guidance required.
If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew
them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while?
Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben
are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
07808 402404
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK
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Jack Hi!
Thanks for the advice and encouragement regarding remaking eyebrows.
Harry is the =8Cman=B9 so I will do the right thing!
Kind Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Continental A75 Eyebrows |
Jack -
I'm a little curious about your cracking. Has it originated in the same places
on every set? What material are you using and what hardness?
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Jul 7, 2010 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
As Harry Fenton (the Guru of small Continental engines) told me, any airplane
that doesnt have cooling shrouds or a pressure cowling will eventually have problems
with the cylinders due to insufficient cooling. I had pointed out a Rose
Parrakeet that had no shrouds at all. He just said its a matter of time.
And I can tell you, any time you have cylinder problems, those are EXPENSIVE problems.
I just made a new set of shrouds for my Pietenpol after my initial set cracked
for the third time (new set is thicker, stronger material). It only took a few
hours work to make a set, when you have the old set for a pattern.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Additionally, at least on an A-75, if you remove the eyebrows the inter-cylinder
baffling doesn't even come in to play because you are no longer collecting the
incoming air and attempting to direct it between the cooling fins on the cylinders.
Especially at the slow speeds a Piet/Corben would fly at you will "overheat"
the engine, at the very least damaging the rear cylinders as they will
run quite hot.
Just more motivation to quickly knock out a new set of eyebrows so you can get
back to flying...
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
Don't do it.
While I can't say I've seen it in an airplane, I've toyed with Corvairs for many
years. those engines have special baffling on the back sides of the air flow
to direct it to the back fins. People who rebuild Corvair engines without knowing
what they're doing sometimes leave them off. Without the baffling, there
isn't any serious airflow back there, just turbulence, and things don't get cooled
properly. The result is that the bottoms of the cylinders overheat and crystallize.
The inside of those jugs have that distinctive blue hue of overheated
metal. At that point, they're trash.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerry Holland
Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Hi to all.
Advice or guidance required.
If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew them
would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while?
Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben are open
Piper J3 type. Photo attached.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
07808 402404
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK
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| Subject: | Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant |
Jeff, Harvey, et al,
As for fuel attacking the carburetor, and/or other components in the fuel system,
what has been found so far is that most of the gaskets made from 30's vintage
gasket paper (nearly everything in an aircraft carb), had not suffered any
effects from fuels containing ethanol. The preliminary indications are that,
with the simple change from neoprene hoses to polyurethane, along with a new,
or modified (don't know which) mixture cable/control, a/c engines will run a wide
range of mixtures of ethanol, up to, and including, pure ethanol. Obviously,
there will be a learning curve as to how to prevent the accumulation of moisture,
along with a host of other items.
While I believe the group on the study has been involved with the teardown of
carbs, I have not heard any specific information about their findings. One could
speculate that an examination would be required in order to ensure internal
corrosion is not a factor. The next time I speak with my contact, I'll be sure
to inquire about any other effects.
As far as I currently know, however, the only required changes were in the rubber
materials used in the hoses, etc. Viton O-Rings are completely impervious
to any concentration of alcohols, and one would assume that a Viton tipped float
needle would also be impervious. That would have to be verified, however,
and it's probably in the works. (If, in fact, a 1980's material such as Viton
has actually been approved by the FAA...)
When additional information becomes available, I'll add a post to mention it.
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| Subject: | Continental A75 Eyebrows |
Original cracking was on the bracket that attached the left shroud to the
rocker box covers. The bracket was 2024-T3 aluminum, while the shrouds were
.025" 3003 1/4 hard aluminum. First the left forward bracket broke, then
the left rear, then the right forward, so I replaced all the brackets with
steel. Then on the way to Sun 'n' Fun this year the left shroud cracked
starting at the rivets that attached the left front bracket. I patched it
at SNF and then when I got home I made all new shrouds and brackets, using
.032" 5052 - H32 aluminum for the shrouds and .062" 4130 steel for the
brackets. So far so good.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Jack -
I'm a little curious about your cracking. Has it originated in the same
places on every set? What material are you using and what hardness?
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Jul 7, 2010 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
As Harry Fenton (the Guru of small Continental engines) told me, any
airplane that doesn't have cooling shrouds or a pressure cowling will
eventually have problems with the cylinders due to insufficient cooling. I
had pointed out a Rose Parrakeet that had no shrouds at all. He just said
"it's a matter of time". And I can tell you, any time you have cylinder
problems, those are EXPENSIVE problems.
I just made a new set of shrouds for my Pietenpol after my initial set
cracked for the third time (new set is thicker, stronger material). It only
took a few hours' work to make a set, when you have the old set for a
pattern.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Additionally, at least on an A-75, if you remove the eyebrows the
inter-cylinder baffling doesn't even come in to play because you are no
longer collecting the incoming air and attempting to direct it between the
cooling fins on the cylinders. Especially at the slow speeds a Piet/Corben
would fly at you will "overheat" the engine, at the very least damaging the
rear cylinders as they will run quite hot.
Just more motivation to quickly knock out a new set of eyebrows so you can
get back to flying...
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
Don't do it.
While I can't say I've seen it in an airplane, I've toyed with Corvairs for
many years. those engines have special baffling on the back sides of the air
flow to direct it to the back fins. People who rebuild Corvair engines
without knowing what they're doing sometimes leave them off. Without the
baffling, there isn't any serious airflow back there, just turbulence, and
things don't get cooled properly. The result is that the bottoms of the
cylinders overheat and crystallize. The inside of those jugs have that
distinctive blue hue of overheated metal. At that point, they're trash.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerry Holland
Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
Hi to all.
Advice or guidance required.
If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew
them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while?
Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben
are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
07808 402404
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK
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Transponders:
I duno the way I read 91.215 is that I'm ok without a xponder, even with a generator,
as long as I stay out of a 30 mile radius of airports that are in appendix
D section 1.
(I haven't read that, but I think it's class B, D, and uh some others.)
And stay below 10,000 ft.
Any thoughts on that one?
HAHAHA 200 indicated hu? Maybe 200 ft. per hour.
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| Subject: | Continental A75 Eyebrows |
I have a technique I use for non-quantitative stress (strain, technically, I guess)
analysis once in a while which might be handy for you.
You need a pair of polarized filters. The easiest place to find them is in the
glasses used for the new 3-d movies (not the red-blue ones). Hold them up between
you and a light source so you see the light through both filters, and turn
them until they're oriented in parallel and pass the most light. Take a model
of your part, made in plexiglass (or some plastic, like an old CD case), and
hold it between the two filters. The stresses in the part will show up like rainbow
colors around the stress points. The higher the concentration of colors,
the more the stress. You can change the stresses (twist it, poke at it, etc)
real time and watch the effects.
An L-shaped piece of plexiglass will show a pile of stress around the inside corner
of the L. If you were to make the piece with a rounded junction inside instead
of an abrupt one, you'd see a lot less stress. This is why metal castings
have fillets. Drilled holes are interesting, too. If you cut a slit in the plexiglass
to simulate a crack, you'd see how a stop-drilled hole reduces the stress
at the end of the crack and keeps it from propagating. You'll see stresses
around jagged edges, also. It can be a very graphic display of why you deburr
holes and eliminate scratches when working with metal.
My knowledge of optics is weak and I can't really tell you how this works, but
it does. It's helped me redesign parts that might have been problems. Maybe I
should bring some of the stuff to SNF next year for some show-and-tell.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Jul 7, 2010 5:55 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>
>
>Original cracking was on the bracket that attached the left shroud to the
>rocker box covers. The bracket was 2024-T3 aluminum, while the shrouds were
>.025" 3003 1/4 hard aluminum. First the left forward bracket broke, then
>the left rear, then the right forward, so I replaced all the brackets with
>steel. Then on the way to Sun 'n' Fun this year the left shroud cracked
>starting at the rivets that attached the left front bracket. I patched it
>at SNF and then when I got home I made all new shrouds and brackets, using
>.032" 5052 - H32 aluminum for the shrouds and .062" 4130 steel for the
>brackets. So far so good.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
>Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:28 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>
>
>Jack -
>
>I'm a little curious about your cracking. Has it originated in the same
>places on every set? What material are you using and what hardness?
>
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips
>Sent: Jul 7, 2010 4:36 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>
>
>As Harry Fenton (the Guru of small Continental engines) told me, any
>airplane that doesn't have cooling shrouds or a pressure cowling will
>eventually have problems with the cylinders due to insufficient cooling. I
>had pointed out a Rose Parrakeet that had no shrouds at all. He just said
>"it's a matter of time". And I can tell you, any time you have cylinder
>problems, those are EXPENSIVE problems.
>
>I just made a new set of shrouds for my Pietenpol after my initial set
>cracked for the third time (new set is thicker, stronger material). It only
>took a few hours' work to make a set, when you have the old set for a
>pattern.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
>Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:31 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>
>Additionally, at least on an A-75, if you remove the eyebrows the
>inter-cylinder baffling doesn't even come in to play because you are no
>longer collecting the incoming air and attempting to direct it between the
>cooling fins on the cylinders. Especially at the slow speeds a Piet/Corben
>would fly at you will "overheat" the engine, at the very least damaging the
>rear cylinders as they will run quite hot.
>
>
>Just more motivation to quickly knock out a new set of eyebrows so you can
>get back to flying...
>
>
>Ryan
>
>On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Don't do it.
>
>While I can't say I've seen it in an airplane, I've toyed with Corvairs for
>many years. those engines have special baffling on the back sides of the air
>flow to direct it to the back fins. People who rebuild Corvair engines
>without knowing what they're doing sometimes leave them off. Without the
>baffling, there isn't any serious airflow back there, just turbulence, and
>things don't get cooled properly. The result is that the bottoms of the
>cylinders overheat and crystallize. The inside of those jugs have that
>distinctive blue hue of overheated metal. At that point, they're trash.
>
>Jim Ash
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gerry Holland
>Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>
>Hi to all.
>Advice or guidance required.
>If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew
>them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while?
>Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben
>are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached.
>Regards
>Gerry
>
>Gerry Holland
>07808 402404
>gholland@content-stream.co.uk
>
>Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics thoughts |
I've got an XCom 760, light and compact, and am looking for a matching transponder.
My thinking is that I don't want to limit the places or routes if I want
to go cross-country and it's handy to listen for other traffic on CTAF here at
the home drome or anywhere for that matter. Some guys don't take the "see and
avoid" dictum to heart but most will at least yak on the radio.
I've also got an old Garmin 295 that will probably get Velcro mounted somewhere.
Yes, I know it adds weight and complexity but the added safety margin makes it
worthwhile to me, especially since I'm a member of the CSCS.
Dave Aldrich
Ribs done
Tailfeathers done
Wife taught to rib stitch
Corvair ready for test run
Fuselage sides done
Tickets to Brodhead purchased
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| Subject: | In Dallas (Grand Prairie) on Sunday Evening |
Would love to tour a project or see a completed plane. Please let me know if you
have time, interest, and are not too far from Grand Prairie.
kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
512-422-6371
Thanks!
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Fuel at Brodhead |
My apologies if this has been addressed recently: how's fuel set up at Brodhead?
Cash/Check/Credit Card?
Thanks,
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio Corvair Fly-IN - Part 2 |
Hi Skip,
I will probably be there for a while saturday AM, flipping pancakes
if we're short-handed. See you then.
KIp
On Jul 7, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Skip Gadd wrote:
> <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
>
> Kip,
> Ed and I hope to fly our Piets up Friday or Saturday.
> Skip
>
> do not archive
>>
>> We have re-scheduled the fly-in in conjunction with the annual
>> Taylotcraft / Aeronca Fly-in which is also held annually at Barber
>> Field (2D1).
>>
>> It will be held on July 10th and 11th.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel at Brodhead |
Kevin,
Fuel will be available for cash and check only - no credit cards.
Ryan posted more details on the times during the day that fuel will be available.
Fuel is also available 11 nm west at Monroe, WI or 24-ish nm ESE at Poplar Grove,
IL.
Dan
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On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:06 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
> My apologies if this has been addressed recently: how's fuel set up at Brodhead?
Cash/Check/Credit Card?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --------
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
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| Subject: | Avionics thoughts |
I have an idea for a nav. Map=2C plotter=2C pencil and E6B. Got me to the
arctic and back. Does anybody know how to do dead reconing any more? Ser
iously=2C Unless you're doing an around the world stint do we really need
a "nav" in a piet. Intercom=2C yes
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel at Brodhead |
I don't have a solid on the times of day that fuel will be available, but it
should be available for a limited amount of time each day.
Here is the word that I have received: the new fuel pumps are operational,
but with some limitations. Technically, fuel cannot be sold to the general
public. It can only be purchased by those who have bought into the fuel pump
pool (Hawk-Aire shareholders who chose to buy in). This is for liability
reasons. However, nothing says that someone couldn't pump fuel into your
airplane and that you can't give them $4 per gallon for their trouble (this
is an example, not hard numbers).
I personally did not get any word on forms of payment, but I don't doubt the
veracity of what Dan says.
All in all it probably won't be much different than years past. They will
work around the new rules and try to have fuel available for at least a
number of hours each day. If you can't wait and need to gas up, take someone
for a ride over to Monroe and back, as Dan pointed out. Same thing if you
need to use a credit card...
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Kevin,
>
> Fuel will be available for cash and check only - no credit cards.
>
> Ryan posted more details on the times during the day that fuel will be
> available.
>
> Fuel is also available 11 nm west at Monroe, WI or 24-ish nm ESE at Poplar
> Grove, IL.
>
> Dan
>
> --
> yocum@gmail.com
>
> On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:06 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> >
> > My apologies if this has been addressed recently: how's fuel set up at
> Brodhead? Cash/Check/Credit Card?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --------
> > Kevin Purtee
> > NX899KP
> > Austin/Georgetown, TX
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | center flop thoughts |
I'm working on the center section of my Piet and after going thru some of t
he archives=2C it seems there are many options on ways to do it - per the p
lans=2C with and without flop=2C wider=2C etc...
The flops I've seen in person tend to be only the length of the aileron but
I'm wondering why couldn't a guy take the flop all the way to the rear spa
r. I plan to cover the flop with tinted lexan for better visibility in tur
ns. The ones I've seen also seem to be only about 2'-0" wide or just a sha
de over but I'm thinking I might make mine the entire width of the center s
ection. Has anyone does these ideas before or have any learnings or (opini
ons)?
I have the CC glued up but still working on the nose ribs. I had built two
of them a while ago when I was going with a 3 foot section but when I chan
ged to a 4'-0" section=2C realized I needed another. So=2C the middle one
will be plywood most likely.
Thanks=2C
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: Registration numbers- OT |
Right here;
http://clifdawson.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html
Clif
>
> Does anyone know where I might be able to find information on the old 30"
> tall squared off wing numbers that were required in the 30's. My dad and
> I want to lay them out on our Aeronca wings and I can't seem to find the
> info on them. I know there is a diagram somewhere online, but can't seem
> to find it.
>
> Thanks,
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics thoughts |
I don't know if its a "need" to have a nav unit or not, but I suspect that a pencil,
map, and E6B in an open cockpit plane with 24" shoulder room might be a
bit of a hassle. So maybe a nav unit of some type is a case of convenience more
than necessity.
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics thoughts |
Hi!
If the Aircraft has electrical system then no problem. (Cant remember the
original spec.) If like me you have no electrical circuit then you have to
resort to Hand held. The Icom A6 does a great job with headset accessory and
lasts well. Just need to remember to charge it before flights. I'm going to
add a 7 Amp Hour sealed Battery with cigarette lighter socket and that
extends that life a long way. The A24 version has a Nav. feature.
Regarding navigation. I'm using iPhone with our CAA Maps as an App. It is
actual chart as per physical map and is used as back up reference to dead
reckoning. (Really!) The 12V Battery supply with socket is essential in this
application to ensure longer term supply for iPhone. A PDA or PND is also a
great unit for this application. Take a look at http://www.pocketfms.com
Both units are light and small for cockpit restricted use, only the battery
weighs in heavier at about 6lbs.
A chart in open cockpit can become a wrestling match as you know or
unintended jettisoned load!
If you are willing to add a battery that you recharge regularly then the
2.25" Transceivers and Trig Mode S Transponder are all very useable.
The Transceiver I can recommend from personal purchase and have used is the
XCOM 760. Very low power consumption + many other good features.
Take a look. http://www.xcomavionics.com Made in US by NARCO. It's easy to
spend some serious money in this area and after much research the XCOM was
the best value and capability.
The least expensive is the Flightline 760. Nice Unit and as low as $600 but
it does have a significantly higher current drain.
Not sure I've helped but at 75 mph you do have some time on your hands!
Regards
Gerry
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