---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/07/10: 43 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:42 AM - Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant (Tim Willis) 2. 04:34 AM - Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 06:20 AM - Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) (John Recine) 4. 07:12 AM - Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant (wizzard187@aol.com) 5. 07:18 AM - Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) (Jack Phillips) 6. 07:34 AM - 3GP video file conversion- off topic (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 08:18 AM - Re: Ohio Corvair Fly-IN - Part 2 (Skip Gadd) 8. 09:05 AM - Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) (Gene & Tammy) 9. 09:14 AM - Registration numbers- OT (Don Emch) 10. 09:31 AM - Re: Registration numbers- OT (gcardinal@comcast.net) 11. 09:37 AM - Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant (tkreiner) 12. 09:42 AM - Re: Registration numbers- OT (Dave Abramson) 13. 10:01 AM - Continental A75 Eyebrows (Gerry Holland) 14. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant (H RULE) 15. 10:22 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Dan Yocum) 16. 10:23 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Ash) 17. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant (Jeff Boatright) 18. 10:34 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Ryan Mueller) 19. 10:59 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Gerry Holland) 20. 11:09 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Ash) 21. 11:09 AM - Avionics thoughts (j_dunavin) 22. 11:43 AM - Re: hole sizes (womenfly2) 23. 11:59 AM - Re: Avionics thoughts (Ryan Mueller) 24. 12:18 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (Ben Charvet) 25. 12:45 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (Dan Yocum) 26. 01:37 PM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jack Phillips) 27. 01:45 PM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Gerry Holland) 28. 02:28 PM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Ash) 29. 02:34 PM - Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant (tkreiner) 30. 02:56 PM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jack Phillips) 31. 03:24 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (j_dunavin) 32. 03:50 PM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Ash) 33. 04:30 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (dgaldrich) 34. 04:49 PM - In Dallas (Grand Prairie) on Sunday Evening (kevinpurtee) 35. 05:07 PM - Fuel at Brodhead (kevinpurtee) 36. 06:07 PM - Re: Ohio Corvair Fly-IN - Part 2 (Kip and Beth Gardner) 37. 06:37 PM - Re: Fuel at Brodhead (Dan Yocum) 38. 08:12 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (Doug Dever) 39. 08:23 PM - Re: Fuel at Brodhead (Ryan Mueller) 40. 08:24 PM - center flop thoughts (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 41. 09:32 PM - Re: Registration numbers- OT (Clif Dawson) 42. 10:30 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (flea) 43. 11:02 PM - Re: Re: Avionics thoughts (Gerry Holland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:29 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant The ethanol push in the USA is a political issue, a sop to farmers and greenies. Both parties, Congress, executive, several agencies are all involved. Expect more before November. I don't believe anything postive in the PR about ethanol except the octane rating. I wish the claims for ethanol were better; e.g. for national energy independence, etc.. BTW, biodiesel has a better case. This is a real problem for GA, esp. many homebuilts, esp. if 100LL is phased out, too. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- From: H RULE Sent: Jul 6, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant I can tell you for certain that here in Canada their intent is to go 100% ethonol in the future. do not archive From: Jason Holmes Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 8:04:44 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant Not to be the bearer of bad news but the EPA may be approving a waiver for gasoline to move to 15% ethanol from the current max of 10% (or E10). I believe they want to make this decision in October or November. If they approve the waiver request for E15, a waiver request for E20 or E25 will be placed shortly after. Someone mentioned that premium fuel may not have ethanol but you have to remember that ethanol has a much higher octane than gasoline so they can blend in ethanol to get the premium fuel up to 92 octane. Either way, you cannot buy any gasoline in central Ohio that is not at least E7 or E8 and most of the time they are right at E10 (or so I was told by a fuel supplier). How will E15 or E20 affect the current fleet of cars, trucks, small engines, motorcycles, airplanes, etc? Well, lots of money is being spent by the government to find out about how cars are affected. A little was spent trying to find out how small engines were affected. To my knowledge, no money has been spent on motorcycles, airplanes, boat engines, or snow mobiles. If you google mid-level ethanol blends you should come up with all kinds of interesting studies and reports from the government, the CRC, and other groups. My two cents, Jason Holmes From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fay Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 4:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant Harvey, I need to correct you on one point in your rant on ethanol. You said that the only advantage you could see was that it is a little cheaper, but when you take into account the decreased mileage, you weren't even sure if that was worth it. It is NOT cheaper. It actually costs substantially more that straight gasoline, but the government subsidizes it so that you won't notice that. If they didn't a gallon of gasohol would actually cost about 10 - 15 cents than pure gasoline. If you look at the extended economic effects, it gets even worse. The increasing use of it is one of the main reason our food costs have been going up the last three years, and a couple years ago they even had some riots in Mexico, because the government there had to raise the price of tortillas. But if we really want to get into the effects of the decisions made by our solons, it would probably make me so mad, I wouldn't be able to build, so I'll drop it. I glued up my secon elevator this afternoon. I did the first one back in July of '02. This evening I'll draw out and begin building either the fin or rudder. I decided not to make any enlargement of the fin. So I am finally making progress again. See you all at Brodhead Do not archive. John Fay in Peoria http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?tronics.com/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Dan, I am in TN now building my new hangar. Will not be home till 7/13 so no wo rk being done on my Piet, but I fully anticipate being at Brodhead with he r. I have a handle on my engine issues and will address when I get back. Thanks for asking. Dan Helsper Poplar grove, IL. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:39 pm Subject: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) Speaking of Mr. Helsper. How are things going with your new infatuation? How many more hours do you have on 'er and have you solved the engine cutt ing out when landing problem? Dan -- yocum@gmail.com On Jul 6, 2010, at 7:37 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: Hi Papa, I have only tested my A with the carb heat in place. It runs 1860 static, with the model B carb. I am turning my home-made 46/76 prop. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: 899PM Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:14 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT For those of you running Model A's....what carb are you using? What drop have ou seen with the application of carb heat. With the only other change bein g rom auto gas to 100LL I saw a drop of 110rpm after hooking up the carb hea t esterday. This seems excessive. Was turning 1860rpm with a 76-42 Sensenich wood rop. 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Remember the pbcs that were so bad that was replaced with ethanol and do you think we would be in a nine year war that cost billions and hundreds of lives if it was not for our need for oil? Add that to the cost of oil Back to pietenpols -----Original Message----- From: Tim Willis Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 5:41 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant net> The ethanol push in the USA is a political issue, a sop to farmers and reenies. Both parties, Congress, executive, several agencies are all invo lved. xpect more before November. I don't believe anything postive in the PR about ethanol except the octa ne ating. I wish the claims for ethanol were better; e.g. for national energy ndependence, etc.. BTW, biodiesel has a better case. This is a real problem for GA, esp. many homebuilts, esp. if 100LL is ph ased ut, too. im in central TX -----Original Message----- rom: H RULE ent: Jul 6, 2010 7:17 PM o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant I can tell you for certain that here in Canada their intent is to go 100% thonol in the future. o not archive From: Jason Holmes o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ent: Tue, July 6, 2010 8:04:44 PM ubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant Not to be the bearer of bad news but the EPA may be approving a waiver for asoline to move to 15% ethanol from the current max of 10% (or E10). I be lieve hey want to make this decision in October or November. If they approve th e aiver request for E15, a waiver request for E20 or E25 will be placed shor tly fter. Someone mentioned that premium fuel may not have ethanol but you ha ve to emember that ethanol has a much higher octane than gasoline so they can bl end n ethanol to get the premium fuel up to 92 octane. ither way, you cannot buy any gasoline in central Ohio that is not at leas t E7 r E8 and most of the time they are right at E10 (or so I was told by a fue l upplier). ow will E15 or E20 affect the current fleet of cars, trucks, small engines , otorcycles, airplanes, etc? Well, lots of money is being spent by the overnment to find out about how cars are affected. A little was spent try ing o find out how small engines were affected. To my knowledge, no money has been pent on motorcycles, airplanes, boat engines, or snow mobiles. If you goo gle mid-level ethanol blends=9D you should come up with all kinds of int eresting tudies and reports from the government, the CRC, and other groups. y two cents, ason Holmes From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] n Behalf Of John Fay ent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 4:58 PM o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ubject: Pietenpol-List: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant Harvey, I need to correct you on one point in your rant on ethanol. You said that the nly advantage you could see was that it is a little cheaper, but when you take nto account the decreased mileage, you weren't even sure if that was worth it. t is NOT cheaper. It actually costs substantially more that straight gaso line, ut the government subsidizes it so that you won't notice that. If they di dn't gallon of gasohol would actually cost about 10 - 15 cents than pure gasol ine. f you look at the extended economic effects, it gets even worse. The ncreasing use of it is one of the main reason our food costs have been goi ng up he last three years, and a couple years ago they even had some riots in Me xico, ecause the government there had to raise the price of tortillas. But if we really want to get into the effects of the decisions made by our olons, it would probably make me so mad, I wouldn't be able to build, so I'll rop it. I glued up my secon elevator this afternoon. I did the first one back in July f '02. This evening I'll draw out and begin building either the fin or ru dder. decided not to make any enlargement of the fin. So I am finally making rogress again. See you all at Brodhead Do not archive. John Fay in Peoria http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matroni cs.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?tronics.com/" rel=nofollow arget=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:04 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) I=92ll be going to Brodhead in Ryan Mueller=92s new Piet (N502R), leaving from Jackson, TN (MKL) and flying up with Randy Bush (NX294RB) Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Recine Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) Dan where in Tn at ya I am in Memphis till this friday. Anyone with in Memphis with a Piet or going to brodhead? Lemmeno John Do not archive Less Yawanna Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _____ From: helspersew@aol.com Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) Hi Dan, I am in TN now building my new hangar. Will not be home till 7/13 so no work being done on my Piet, but I fully anticipate being at Brodhead with her. I have a handle on my engine issues and will address when I get back. Thanks for asking. Dan Helsper Poplar grove, IL. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:39 pm Subject: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) Speaking of Mr. Helsper. How are things going with your new infatuation? How many more hours do you have on 'er and have you solved the engine cutting out when landing problem? Dan -- yocum@gmail.com On Jul 6, 2010, at 7:37 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: Hi Papa, I have only tested my A with the carb heat in place. It runs 1860 static, with the model B carb. I am turning my home-made 46/76 prop. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: 899PM Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:14 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT rockriverrifle@hotmail.com> For those of you running Model A's....what carb are you using? What drop have you seen with the application of carb heat. With the only other change being from auto gas to 100LL I saw a drop of 110rpm after hooking up the carb heat yesterday. This seems excessive. Was turning 1860rpm with a 76-42 Sensenich wood prop. Could only get 1750 yesterday. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303906#303906 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2614_120.jpg t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D==3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DD=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =============== WEB --> ===== Dralle, ======================= ~=B2=03 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:31 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3GP video file conversion- off topic Anybody have file conversion software to convert cellphone 3GP videos to something like .wmv, .mpg, or other filetype that I can handle and view? I'm not too savvy in this field. My brother took two videos of me in the Piet but I can't view them. Contact me off-list; thanks. do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:29 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Corvair Fly-IN - Part 2 Kip, Ed and I hope to fly our Piets up Friday or Saturday. Skip do not archive > > We have re-scheduled the fly-in in conjunction with the annual > Taylotcraft / Aeronca Fly-in which is also held annually at Barber > Field (2D1). > > It will be held on July 10th and 11th. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:05 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) Hi Dan, Your sure picked the nice cool weather here in Paris to build your new hanger. Welcome home. Gene From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 6:33 AM Subject: Re: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) Hi Dan, I am in TN now building my new hangar. Will not be home till 7/13 so no work being done on my Piet, but I fully anticipate being at Brodhead with her. I have a handle on my engine issues and will address when I get back. Thanks for asking. Dan Helsper Poplar grove, IL. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 8:39 pm Subject: Dan's Piet Status Report, please (was: Re: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT) Speaking of Mr. Helsper. How are things going with your new infatuation? How many more hours do you have on 'er and have you solved the engine cutting out when landing problem? Dan -- yocum@gmail.com On Jul 6, 2010, at 7:37 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: Hi Papa, I have only tested my A with the carb heat in place. It runs 1860 static, with the model B carb. I am turning my home-made 46/76 prop. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: 899PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 12:14 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: MODEL A CARBS AND CARB HEAT For those of you running Model A's....what carb are you using? What drop have you seen with the application of carb heat. With the only other change being from auto gas to 100LL I saw a drop of 110rpm after hooking up the carb heat yesterday. This seems excessive. Was turning 1860rpm with a 76-42 Sensenich wood prop. Could only get 1750 yesterday. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303906#303906 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2614_120.jpg t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D== 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DD=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Registration numbers- OT From: "Don Emch" Does anyone know where I might be able to find information on the old 30" tall squared off wing numbers that were required in the 30's. My dad and I want to lay them out on our Aeronca wings and I can't seem to find the info on them. I know there is a diagram somewhere online, but can't seem to find it. Thanks, Don Emch NX899DE do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304044#304044 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:47 AM PST US From: gcardinal@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Registration numbers- OT That info is in the Construction section of www.westcoastpiet.com Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2010 11:13:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Registration numbers- OT Does anyone know where I might be able to find information on the old 30" t all squared off wing numbers that were required in the 30's. =C2-My dad a nd I want to lay them out on our Aeronca wings and I can't seem to find the info on them. =C2-I know there is a diagram somewhere online, but can't seem to find it. Thanks, Don Emch NX899DE do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304044#304044 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant From: "tkreiner" Guys, There is a group of engineers at The Univ. of Houston (my part of TX), that is in the process of establishing pure ethanol as the fuel for GA piston aircraft. According to the guy I know, they have already filled out paperwork to have the fuel approved by the FAA for C-150's, 152's, and a host of other aircraft up to 200 Hp. In order to certify, they had to change out all rubber components in the fuel system to polyurethane, which is completely resistant to the swelling that occurs with rubber. Along with the polyurethane, they have worked thru many of the issues related to mixture, leaning, etc. Their intent is to certify GA piston a/c for use with both fuels, or heavy blends of Ethanol. Just my .02 for what it's worth... -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304050#304050 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:15 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Registration numbers- OT Hi Don! I know that Charles Lindbergh hired a "sign painter" to do his on the Sprit! dave do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Registration numbers- OT Does anyone know where I might be able to find information on the old 30" tall squared off wing numbers that were required in the 30's. My dad and I want to lay them out on our Aeronca wings and I can't seem to find the info on them. I know there is a diagram somewhere online, but can't seem to find it. Thanks, Don Emch NX899DE do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304044#304044 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows From: Gerry Holland Hi to all. Advice or guidance required. If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while? Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland 07808 402404 gholland@content-stream.co.uk Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:23 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant Unfortunately this doesn't help any of us who are using old technology.My e ngine =0Ais an 80hp Franklin(1940's technology)Marvel Sheblar carb etc.Gove rnments and =0Aindustry has gone ahead with no regard for the old tech.Swit ching over in some =0Acases can cost thousands of dollars and I am retired now.It means I have to try =0Aand sell what I got to some poor unsuspecting bloke who will ,when he catches up =0Awith what has happened to him ,be no t too happy either.Unless of course he has =0Adeep pockets.I can't imagine what some guys are going through who have-equipment =0Aolder than mine. -=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: tkreiner =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, July 7, 2010 12:37:26 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant=0A=0A Guys,=0A=0AThere is a group of engineers at The Univ. of Houston (my part o f TX), that is =0Ain the process of establishing pure ethanol as the fuel f or GA piston aircraft.- =0A=0A=0AAccording to the guy I know, they have a lready filled out paperwork to have the =0Afuel approved by the FAA for C-1 50's, 152's, and a host of other aircraft up to =0A200 Hp.- =0A=0A=0AIn o rder to certify, they had to change out all rubber components in the fuel =0Asystem to polyurethane, which is completely resistant to the swelling th at =0Aoccurs with rubber.- Along with the polyurethane, they have worked thru many of =0Athe issues related to mixture, leaning, etc.- - Their i ntent is to certify GA =0Apiston a/c for use with both fuels, or heavy blen ds of Ethanol.=0A=0AJust my .02 for what it's worth...=0A=0A--------=0ATom Kreiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matro -======================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:02 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows I would recommend against it. Jack Phillips had some problems with his cylinders running hot when one of the tabs holding the eyebrow to the engine broke. I think it caused some internal damage if I recall correctly. Of course, the rest of the story is in the archives. Just use some thick poster paper to lay on top of the eyebrows, in place, and keep cutting until you get the right shape. Cheers! Dan On 07/07/2010 11:59 AM, Gerry Holland wrote: > Hi to all. > Advice or guidance required. > If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to > renew them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while? > Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my > Corben are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached. > Regards > Gerry > > Gerry Holland > 07808 402404 > _gholland@content-stream.co.uk > _* > *Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:40 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Don't do it. While I can't say I've seen it in an airplane, I've toyed with Corvairs for many years. those engines have special baffling on the back sides of the air flow to direct it to the back fins. People who rebuild Corvair engines without knowing what they're doing sometimes leave them off. Without the baffling, there isn't any serious airflow back there, just turbulence, and things don't get cooled properly. The result is that the bottoms of the cylinders overheat and crystallize. The inside of those jugs have that distinctive blue hue of overheated metal. At that point, they're trash. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Holland Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Hi to all. Advice or guidance required. If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while? Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland 07808 402404 gholland@content-stream.co.uk Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:04 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Harvey Rule's Ethanol Rant Tom, Do you know if they looked at effects of ethanol on the internals of Strombergs, M-Ss, and other carbs heavily used in the installed fleet? Thanks, Jeff > >Guys, > >There is a group of engineers at The Univ. of Houston (my part of >TX), that is in the process of establishing pure ethanol as the fuel >for GA piston aircraft. > >According to the guy I know, they have already filled out paperwork >to have the fuel approved by the FAA for C-150's, 152's, and a host >of other aircraft up to 200 Hp. > >In order to certify, they had to change out all rubber components in >the fuel system to polyurethane, which is completely resistant to >the swelling that occurs with rubber. Along with the polyurethane, >they have worked thru many of the issues related to mixture, >leaning, etc. Their intent is to certify GA piston a/c for use >with both fuels, or heavy blends of Ethanol. > >Just my .02 for what it's worth... > >-------- >Tom Kreiner > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304050#304050 > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows From: Ryan Mueller Additionally, at least on an A-75, if you remove the eyebrows the inter-cylinder baffling doesn't even come in to play because you are no longer collecting the incoming air and attempting to direct it between the cooling fins on the cylinders. Especially at the slow speeds a Piet/Corben would fly at you will "overheat" the engine, at the very least damaging the rear cylinders as they will run quite hot. Just more motivation to quickly knock out a new set of eyebrows so you can get back to flying... Ryan On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Jim Ash wrote: > > Don't do it. > > While I can't say I've seen it in an airplane, I've toyed with Corvairs for > many years. those engines have special baffling on the back sides of the air > flow to direct it to the back fins. People who rebuild Corvair engines > without knowing what they're doing sometimes leave them off. Without the > baffling, there isn't any serious airflow back there, just turbulence, and > things don't get cooled properly. The result is that the bottoms of the > cylinders overheat and crystallize. The inside of those jugs have that > distinctive blue hue of overheated metal. At that point, they're trash. > > Jim Ash > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerry Holland > Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows > > Hi to all. > Advice or guidance required. > If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew > them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while? > Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben > are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached. > Regards > Gerry > > Gerry Holland > 07808 402404 > gholland@content-stream.co.uk > > Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows From: Gerry Holland Thanks Guys for your very good advice based on experience. I will make =8Ccard=B9 templates as is and leave them on. Thanks for that Dan. Obvious and I didn=B9t see it! Regards to you all and hoping weather being kind in US. Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:15 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Assuming your old ones are minimally usable, there's a copying technique used by metal shapers which could serve you well here: Sometimes this can be done with the part in place, but in this case, you'll probably want to remove them. Get a few rolls of low-tack painter's tape (the blue stuff), not too wide, maybe 3/4-1". Completely cover the eyebrow surface with it, in parallel strips, slightly overlapping. Now get some fiberglass-reinforced tape, and lay that in similar fashion, but across the 'grain' of the painter's tape. The concept here is to lay the tape down like plywood. Some people stop here, but I always add another layer of fiberglass tape so I've got two cross-grains of the fiberglass, for strength. Poke holes or mark with a sharpie any rivets, fittings or assorted doo-dads you'll need to reference for the new one. Carefully peel the mess off. Sprinkle talcum powder on the inside of the form to destroy the remaining tack from the painter's tape. You now have a preserved image of the shape. Put the eyebrows back on the plane and go flying. When the weather sucks, use the tape form as the reference to make a new one. FYI - Some things in pairs like this are mirror images of each other. If that's truly the case here (and I don't know if it is), you can turn the form inside-out and make its mate also. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Holland Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Hi to all. Advice or guidance required. If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while? Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland 07808 402404 gholland@content-stream.co.uk Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Avionics thoughts From: "j_dunavin" Just wondering what other's thoughts are on more modern avionics? Obviously an intercom is pretty important, unless you where building a scout. What are others doing for Comm and Nav? Or maybe no Nav? Transponder? I was thinking on a hand held NavComm. That way I would not always have to have one with me. As in if I was just flying down to my dad's grass airstrip. I also am considering some sort of hand held GPS. Maybe one of those that run off of your palm pilot. Like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aviation-Garmin-portable-moving-map-GPS-HSI-navigation-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem563c973ab2QQitemZ370383731378QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304065#304065 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hole sizes From: "womenfly2" [Idea] You can also use linseed oil. Good penetration into the wood and no build up in the hole. One can use a squeeze bottle with a nozzle to apply it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304069#304069 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Avionics thoughts From: Ryan Mueller It would depend on how you plan to use the airplane, and also how much money you want to spend. Your stated budget doesn't leave much room for anything beyond a handheld. You should probably start planning your color scheme soon... Ryan do not archive On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:08 PM, j_dunavin wrote: > > Just wondering what other's thoughts are on more modern avionics? > Obviously an intercom is pretty important, unless you where building a > scout. > What are others doing for Comm and Nav? Or maybe no Nav? Transponder? > I was thinking on a hand held NavComm. That way I would not always have to > have one with me. As in if I was just flying down to my dad's grass > airstrip. > I also am considering some sort of hand held GPS. Maybe one of those that > run off of your palm pilot. > Like this: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aviation-Garmin-portable-moving-map-GPS-HSI-navigation-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem563c973ab2QQitemZ370383731378QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304065#304065 > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:34 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Avionics thoughts Most of us are using handheld radios. They are available with a NAV function, but I don't think it would be very useful in a Piet. I also carry a hand-held GPS if I'm going any distance. If you don't have an electric system with an alternator (like a hand-prop Continental) you aren't required to have a transponder. If you have a charging system you have to have a transponder. I think this is one advantage the Continenal has over most Corvair installations. I have an intercom, but only turn it on when I have something important to say, because the noise it makes in the headsets is irritating to me. Ben Charvet Mims, Fl On 7/7/2010 2:08 PM, j_dunavin wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "j_dunavin" > > Just wondering what other's thoughts are on more modern avionics? > Obviously an intercom is pretty important, unless you where building a scout. > What are others doing for Comm and Nav? Or maybe no Nav? Transponder? > I was thinking on a hand held NavComm. That way I would not always have to have one with me. As in if I was just flying down to my dad's grass airstrip. > I also am considering some sort of hand held GPS. Maybe one of those that run off of your palm pilot. > Like this: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aviation-Garmin-portable-moving-map-GPS-HSI-navigation-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem563c973ab2QQitemZ370383731378QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304065#304065 > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:13 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Avionics thoughts Avionics? Who needs avionics?!?? Heck, when I enter class D airspace at 200ktas and 50' off the deck, the guys in the tower barely have enough time to grab the light-gun to wave me off, let alone make a note of the three foot high N number on the side of my plane. But, seriously, another really nice reason I like the A65 is that it requires me to stay away from all those fancy airports with big tall buildings and that evil, ground-loop-inducing, hard surface. Grass is where it's at! do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:15 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows As Harry Fenton (the Guru of small Continental engines) told me, any airplane that doesn't have cooling shrouds or a pressure cowling will eventually have problems with the cylinders due to insufficient cooling. I had pointed out a Rose Parrakeet that had no shrouds at all. He just said "it's a matter of time". And I can tell you, any time you have cylinder problems, those are EXPENSIVE problems. I just made a new set of shrouds for my Pietenpol after my initial set cracked for the third time (new set is thicker, stronger material). It only took a few hours' work to make a set, when you have the old set for a pattern. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Additionally, at least on an A-75, if you remove the eyebrows the inter-cylinder baffling doesn't even come in to play because you are no longer collecting the incoming air and attempting to direct it between the cooling fins on the cylinders. Especially at the slow speeds a Piet/Corben would fly at you will "overheat" the engine, at the very least damaging the rear cylinders as they will run quite hot. Just more motivation to quickly knock out a new set of eyebrows so you can get back to flying... Ryan On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Jim Ash wrote: Don't do it. While I can't say I've seen it in an airplane, I've toyed with Corvairs for many years. those engines have special baffling on the back sides of the air flow to direct it to the back fins. People who rebuild Corvair engines without knowing what they're doing sometimes leave them off. Without the baffling, there isn't any serious airflow back there, just turbulence, and things don't get cooled properly. The result is that the bottoms of the cylinders overheat and crystallize. The inside of those jugs have that distinctive blue hue of overheated metal. At that point, they're trash. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Holland Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Hi to all. Advice or guidance required. If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while? Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland 07808 402404 gholland@content-stream.co.uk Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK ======================= st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows From: Gerry Holland Jack Hi! Thanks for the advice and encouragement regarding remaking eyebrows. Harry is the =8Cman=B9 so I will do the right thing! Kind Regards Gerry do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:14 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Jack - I'm a little curious about your cracking. Has it originated in the same places on every set? What material are you using and what hardness? Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Jul 7, 2010 4:36 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows As Harry Fenton (the Guru of small Continental engines) told me, any airplane that doesnt have cooling shrouds or a pressure cowling will eventually have problems with the cylinders due to insufficient cooling. I had pointed out a Rose Parrakeet that had no shrouds at all. He just said its a matter of time. And I can tell you, any time you have cylinder problems, those are EXPENSIVE problems. I just made a new set of shrouds for my Pietenpol after my initial set cracked for the third time (new set is thicker, stronger material). It only took a few hours work to make a set, when you have the old set for a pattern. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Additionally, at least on an A-75, if you remove the eyebrows the inter-cylinder baffling doesn't even come in to play because you are no longer collecting the incoming air and attempting to direct it between the cooling fins on the cylinders. Especially at the slow speeds a Piet/Corben would fly at you will "overheat" the engine, at the very least damaging the rear cylinders as they will run quite hot. Just more motivation to quickly knock out a new set of eyebrows so you can get back to flying... Ryan On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Jim Ash wrote: Don't do it. While I can't say I've seen it in an airplane, I've toyed with Corvairs for many years. those engines have special baffling on the back sides of the air flow to direct it to the back fins. People who rebuild Corvair engines without knowing what they're doing sometimes leave them off. Without the baffling, there isn't any serious airflow back there, just turbulence, and things don't get cooled properly. The result is that the bottoms of the cylinders overheat and crystallize. The inside of those jugs have that distinctive blue hue of overheated metal. At that point, they're trash. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Holland Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Hi to all. Advice or guidance required. If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while? Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland 07808 402404 gholland@content-stream.co.uk Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK ======================= st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== Jeff, Harvey, et al, As for fuel attacking the carburetor, and/or other components in the fuel system, what has been found so far is that most of the gaskets made from 30's vintage gasket paper (nearly everything in an aircraft carb), had not suffered any effects from fuels containing ethanol. The preliminary indications are that, with the simple change from neoprene hoses to polyurethane, along with a new, or modified (don't know which) mixture cable/control, a/c engines will run a wide range of mixtures of ethanol, up to, and including, pure ethanol. Obviously, there will be a learning curve as to how to prevent the accumulation of moisture, along with a host of other items. While I believe the group on the study has been involved with the teardown of carbs, I have not heard any specific information about their findings. One could speculate that an examination would be required in order to ensure internal corrosion is not a factor. The next time I speak with my contact, I'll be sure to inquire about any other effects. As far as I currently know, however, the only required changes were in the rubber materials used in the hoses, etc. Viton O-Rings are completely impervious to any concentration of alcohols, and one would assume that a Viton tipped float needle would also be impervious. That would have to be verified, however, and it's probably in the works. (If, in fact, a 1980's material such as Viton has actually been approved by the FAA...) When additional information becomes available, I'll add a post to mention it. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304090#304090 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:22 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Original cracking was on the bracket that attached the left shroud to the rocker box covers. The bracket was 2024-T3 aluminum, while the shrouds were .025" 3003 1/4 hard aluminum. First the left forward bracket broke, then the left rear, then the right forward, so I replaced all the brackets with steel. Then on the way to Sun 'n' Fun this year the left shroud cracked starting at the rivets that attached the left front bracket. I patched it at SNF and then when I got home I made all new shrouds and brackets, using .032" 5052 - H32 aluminum for the shrouds and .062" 4130 steel for the brackets. So far so good. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Jack - I'm a little curious about your cracking. Has it originated in the same places on every set? What material are you using and what hardness? Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Jul 7, 2010 4:36 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows As Harry Fenton (the Guru of small Continental engines) told me, any airplane that doesn't have cooling shrouds or a pressure cowling will eventually have problems with the cylinders due to insufficient cooling. I had pointed out a Rose Parrakeet that had no shrouds at all. He just said "it's a matter of time". And I can tell you, any time you have cylinder problems, those are EXPENSIVE problems. I just made a new set of shrouds for my Pietenpol after my initial set cracked for the third time (new set is thicker, stronger material). It only took a few hours' work to make a set, when you have the old set for a pattern. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Additionally, at least on an A-75, if you remove the eyebrows the inter-cylinder baffling doesn't even come in to play because you are no longer collecting the incoming air and attempting to direct it between the cooling fins on the cylinders. Especially at the slow speeds a Piet/Corben would fly at you will "overheat" the engine, at the very least damaging the rear cylinders as they will run quite hot. Just more motivation to quickly knock out a new set of eyebrows so you can get back to flying... Ryan On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Jim Ash wrote: Don't do it. While I can't say I've seen it in an airplane, I've toyed with Corvairs for many years. those engines have special baffling on the back sides of the air flow to direct it to the back fins. People who rebuild Corvair engines without knowing what they're doing sometimes leave them off. Without the baffling, there isn't any serious airflow back there, just turbulence, and things don't get cooled properly. The result is that the bottoms of the cylinders overheat and crystallize. The inside of those jugs have that distinctive blue hue of overheated metal. At that point, they're trash. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Holland Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows Hi to all. Advice or guidance required. If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while? Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland 07808 402404 gholland@content-stream.co.uk Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK ======================= st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== Transponders: I duno the way I read 91.215 is that I'm ok without a xponder, even with a generator, as long as I stay out of a 30 mile radius of airports that are in appendix D section 1. (I haven't read that, but I think it's class B, D, and uh some others.) And stay below 10,000 ft. Any thoughts on that one? HAHAHA 200 indicated hu? Maybe 200 ft. per hour. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304096#304096 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:59 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows I have a technique I use for non-quantitative stress (strain, technically, I guess) analysis once in a while which might be handy for you. You need a pair of polarized filters. The easiest place to find them is in the glasses used for the new 3-d movies (not the red-blue ones). Hold them up between you and a light source so you see the light through both filters, and turn them until they're oriented in parallel and pass the most light. Take a model of your part, made in plexiglass (or some plastic, like an old CD case), and hold it between the two filters. The stresses in the part will show up like rainbow colors around the stress points. The higher the concentration of colors, the more the stress. You can change the stresses (twist it, poke at it, etc) real time and watch the effects. An L-shaped piece of plexiglass will show a pile of stress around the inside corner of the L. If you were to make the piece with a rounded junction inside instead of an abrupt one, you'd see a lot less stress. This is why metal castings have fillets. Drilled holes are interesting, too. If you cut a slit in the plexiglass to simulate a crack, you'd see how a stop-drilled hole reduces the stress at the end of the crack and keeps it from propagating. You'll see stresses around jagged edges, also. It can be a very graphic display of why you deburr holes and eliminate scratches when working with metal. My knowledge of optics is weak and I can't really tell you how this works, but it does. It's helped me redesign parts that might have been problems. Maybe I should bring some of the stuff to SNF next year for some show-and-tell. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Jack Phillips >Sent: Jul 7, 2010 5:55 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows > > >Original cracking was on the bracket that attached the left shroud to the >rocker box covers. The bracket was 2024-T3 aluminum, while the shrouds were >.025" 3003 1/4 hard aluminum. First the left forward bracket broke, then >the left rear, then the right forward, so I replaced all the brackets with >steel. Then on the way to Sun 'n' Fun this year the left shroud cracked >starting at the rivets that attached the left front bracket. I patched it >at SNF and then when I got home I made all new shrouds and brackets, using >.032" 5052 - H32 aluminum for the shrouds and .062" 4130 steel for the >brackets. So far so good. > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash >Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:28 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows > > >Jack - > >I'm a little curious about your cracking. Has it originated in the same >places on every set? What material are you using and what hardness? > >Jim > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jack Phillips >Sent: Jul 7, 2010 4:36 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows > > >As Harry Fenton (the Guru of small Continental engines) told me, any >airplane that doesn't have cooling shrouds or a pressure cowling will >eventually have problems with the cylinders due to insufficient cooling. I >had pointed out a Rose Parrakeet that had no shrouds at all. He just said >"it's a matter of time". And I can tell you, any time you have cylinder >problems, those are EXPENSIVE problems. > >I just made a new set of shrouds for my Pietenpol after my initial set >cracked for the third time (new set is thicker, stronger material). It only >took a few hours' work to make a set, when you have the old set for a >pattern. > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC > > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller >Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:31 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows > >Additionally, at least on an A-75, if you remove the eyebrows the >inter-cylinder baffling doesn't even come in to play because you are no >longer collecting the incoming air and attempting to direct it between the >cooling fins on the cylinders. Especially at the slow speeds a Piet/Corben >would fly at you will "overheat" the engine, at the very least damaging the >rear cylinders as they will run quite hot. > > >Just more motivation to quickly knock out a new set of eyebrows so you can >get back to flying... > > >Ryan > >On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Jim Ash wrote: > >Don't do it. > >While I can't say I've seen it in an airplane, I've toyed with Corvairs for >many years. those engines have special baffling on the back sides of the air >flow to direct it to the back fins. People who rebuild Corvair engines >without knowing what they're doing sometimes leave them off. Without the >baffling, there isn't any serious airflow back there, just turbulence, and >things don't get cooled properly. The result is that the bottoms of the >cylinders overheat and crystallize. The inside of those jugs have that >distinctive blue hue of overheated metal. At that point, they're trash. > >Jim Ash > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gerry Holland >Sent: Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows > >Hi to all. >Advice or guidance required. >If I removed the 'eyebrows' on Continental A75 to use as 'pattern' to renew >them would it do any harm if I flew without them for a little while? >Temperatures here in UK are very rarely above 70F. The Cowls on my Corben >are open Piper J3 type. Photo attached. >Regards >Gerry > >Gerry Holland >07808 402404 >gholland@content-stream.co.uk > >Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK > >======================= >st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >========== >http://forums.matronics.com >========== >le, List Admin. >="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >========== > > > font-size:10.0pt;color:black;="================Forums!http://forums.matronics.comsupport!http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Avionics thoughts From: "dgaldrich" I've got an XCom 760, light and compact, and am looking for a matching transponder. My thinking is that I don't want to limit the places or routes if I want to go cross-country and it's handy to listen for other traffic on CTAF here at the home drome or anywhere for that matter. Some guys don't take the "see and avoid" dictum to heart but most will at least yak on the radio. I've also got an old Garmin 295 that will probably get Velcro mounted somewhere. Yes, I know it adds weight and complexity but the added safety margin makes it worthwhile to me, especially since I'm a member of the CSCS. Dave Aldrich Ribs done Tailfeathers done Wife taught to rib stitch Corvair ready for test run Fuselage sides done Tickets to Brodhead purchased Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304104#304104 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: In Dallas (Grand Prairie) on Sunday Evening From: "kevinpurtee" Would love to tour a project or see a completed plane. Please let me know if you have time, interest, and are not too far from Grand Prairie. kevin.purtee@us.army.mil 512-422-6371 Thanks! -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304108#304108 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel at Brodhead From: "kevinpurtee" My apologies if this has been addressed recently: how's fuel set up at Brodhead? Cash/Check/Credit Card? Thanks, -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304112#304112 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:18 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Corvair Fly-IN - Part 2 Hi Skip, I will probably be there for a while saturday AM, flipping pancakes if we're short-handed. See you then. KIp On Jul 7, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Skip Gadd wrote: > > > Kip, > Ed and I hope to fly our Piets up Friday or Saturday. > Skip > > do not archive >> >> We have re-scheduled the fly-in in conjunction with the annual >> Taylotcraft / Aeronca Fly-in which is also held annually at Barber >> Field (2D1). >> >> It will be held on July 10th and 11th. > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel at Brodhead From: Dan Yocum Kevin, Fuel will be available for cash and check only - no credit cards. Ryan posted more details on the times during the day that fuel will be available. Fuel is also available 11 nm west at Monroe, WI or 24-ish nm ESE at Poplar Grove, IL. Dan -- yocum@gmail.com On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:06 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > > My apologies if this has been addressed recently: how's fuel set up at Brodhead? Cash/Check/Credit Card? > > Thanks, > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:00 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Avionics thoughts I have an idea for a nav. Map=2C plotter=2C pencil and E6B. Got me to the arctic and back. Does anybody know how to do dead reconing any more? Ser iously=2C Unless you're doing an around the world stint do we really need a "nav" in a piet. Intercom=2C yes Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel at Brodhead From: Ryan Mueller I don't have a solid on the times of day that fuel will be available, but it should be available for a limited amount of time each day. Here is the word that I have received: the new fuel pumps are operational, but with some limitations. Technically, fuel cannot be sold to the general public. It can only be purchased by those who have bought into the fuel pump pool (Hawk-Aire shareholders who chose to buy in). This is for liability reasons. However, nothing says that someone couldn't pump fuel into your airplane and that you can't give them $4 per gallon for their trouble (this is an example, not hard numbers). I personally did not get any word on forms of payment, but I don't doubt the veracity of what Dan says. All in all it probably won't be much different than years past. They will work around the new rules and try to have fuel available for at least a number of hours each day. If you can't wait and need to gas up, take someone for a ride over to Monroe and back, as Dan pointed out. Same thing if you need to use a credit card... Ryan On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Kevin, > > Fuel will be available for cash and check only - no credit cards. > > Ryan posted more details on the times during the day that fuel will be > available. > > Fuel is also available 11 nm west at Monroe, WI or 24-ish nm ESE at Poplar > Grove, IL. > > Dan > > -- > yocum@gmail.com > > On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:06 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > > > My apologies if this has been addressed recently: how's fuel set up at > Brodhead? Cash/Check/Credit Card? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -------- > > Kevin Purtee > > NX899KP > > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:49 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: center flop thoughts I'm working on the center section of my Piet and after going thru some of t he archives=2C it seems there are many options on ways to do it - per the p lans=2C with and without flop=2C wider=2C etc... The flops I've seen in person tend to be only the length of the aileron but I'm wondering why couldn't a guy take the flop all the way to the rear spa r. I plan to cover the flop with tinted lexan for better visibility in tur ns. The ones I've seen also seem to be only about 2'-0" wide or just a sha de over but I'm thinking I might make mine the entire width of the center s ection. Has anyone does these ideas before or have any learnings or (opini ons)? I have the CC glued up but still working on the nose ribs. I had built two of them a while ago when I was going with a 3 foot section but when I chan ged to a 4'-0" section=2C realized I needed another. So=2C the middle one will be plywood most likely. Thanks=2C Tom B. ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:53 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Registration numbers- OT Right here; http://clifdawson.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html Clif > > Does anyone know where I might be able to find information on the old 30" > tall squared off wing numbers that were required in the 30's. My dad and > I want to lay them out on our Aeronca wings and I can't seem to find the > info on them. I know there is a diagram somewhere online, but can't seem > to find it. > > Thanks, > Don Emch > NX899DE > > do not archive ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Avionics thoughts From: "flea" I don't know if its a "need" to have a nav unit or not, but I suspect that a pencil, map, and E6B in an open cockpit plane with 24" shoulder room might be a bit of a hassle. So maybe a nav unit of some type is a case of convenience more than necessity. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304134#304134 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Avionics thoughts From: Gerry Holland Hi! If the Aircraft has electrical system then no problem. (Cant remember the original spec.) If like me you have no electrical circuit then you have to resort to Hand held. The Icom A6 does a great job with headset accessory and lasts well. Just need to remember to charge it before flights. I'm going to add a 7 Amp Hour sealed Battery with cigarette lighter socket and that extends that life a long way. The A24 version has a Nav. feature. Regarding navigation. I'm using iPhone with our CAA Maps as an App. It is actual chart as per physical map and is used as back up reference to dead reckoning. (Really!) The 12V Battery supply with socket is essential in this application to ensure longer term supply for iPhone. A PDA or PND is also a great unit for this application. Take a look at http://www.pocketfms.com Both units are light and small for cockpit restricted use, only the battery weighs in heavier at about 6lbs. A chart in open cockpit can become a wrestling match as you know or unintended jettisoned load! If you are willing to add a battery that you recharge regularly then the 2.25" Transceivers and Trig Mode S Transponder are all very useable. The Transceiver I can recommend from personal purchase and have used is the XCOM 760. Very low power consumption + many other good features. Take a look. http://www.xcomavionics.com Made in US by NARCO. It's easy to spend some serious money in this area and after much research the XCOM was the best value and capability. The least expensive is the Flightline 760. Nice Unit and as low as $600 but it does have a significantly higher current drain. Not sure I've helped but at 75 mph you do have some time on your hands! 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