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1. 12:14 AM - Re: center flop thoughts (Clif Dawson)
2. 03:35 AM - Re: Re: Avionics thoughts (Jack Phillips)
3. 03:43 AM - Re: Avionics thoughts (Kip and Beth Gardner)
4. 03:44 AM - Re: Re: Avionics thoughts (rgow@avionicsdesign.ca)
5. 05:40 AM - center flop thoughts (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 05:48 AM - Continental A75 Eyebrows (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 05:52 AM - FlyCorvair.com website update (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 06:03 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Ash)
9. 06:07 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Ash)
10. 06:25 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (taildrags)
11. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Gary Boothe)
12. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jack Phillips)
13. 06:49 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jack Phillips)
14. 07:25 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jeff wilson)
15. 07:55 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Ash)
16. 07:56 AM - Re: center flop thoughts (skellytown flyer)
17. 07:57 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Markle)
18. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Avionics thoughts (Dan Yocum)
19. 08:18 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Jim Ash)
20. 08:36 AM - Blast cabinet impressions (Jim Ash)
21. 08:47 AM - Re: Ohio Corvair Fly-IN - Part 2 (shad bell)
22. 09:06 AM - Re: Blast cabinet impressions (899PM)
23. 09:08 AM - Avionics thoughts, and corvairs (shad bell)
24. 09:19 AM - Materials List (K5YAC)
25. 09:29 AM - Re: Avionics thoughts, and corvairs (Jeff wilson)
26. 09:40 AM - Re: Blast cabinet impressions (Jeff wilson)
27. 09:44 AM - Re: Avionics thoughts, and corvairs (Tim Willis)
28. 09:52 AM - Re: Blast cabinet impressions (Jim Markle)
29. 10:23 AM - Gun info... Blast cabinet impressions (Jim Markle)
30. 11:17 AM - Re: center flop thoughts (H RULE)
31. 11:32 AM - Re: center flop thoughts (taildrags)
32. 12:05 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (Doug Dever)
33. 12:32 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts (Ryan Mueller)
34. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: center flop thoughts (H RULE)
35. 04:05 PM - wing root covers for GN-1 (H RULE)
36. 04:22 PM - Re: Re: center flop thoughts (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
37. 06:52 PM - Re: wing root covers for GN-1 (Jim Markle)
38. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Dan Yocum)
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| Subject: | Re: center flop thoughts |
Here's mine. I have clear lexan for it. Almost to spar. Just enough back
for space for
pulleys and cables.
Clif
The flops I've seen in person tend to be only the length of the
aileron but I'm wondering why couldn't a guy take the flop all the way
to the rear spar. I plan to cover the flop with tinted lexan for better
visibility in turns. The ones I've seen also seem to be only about
2'-0" wide or just a shade over but I'm thinking I might make mine the
entire width of the center section. Has anyone does these ideas before
or have any learnings or (opinions)?
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics thoughts |
Actually. 24" is the outside dimension at the front cockpit. The rear
cockpit is narrower, and the longerons are 1" wide apiece, so the
shoulder
width is something less than 22". And the wind is blowing. And every
time
you look down to check the map or fiddle with the computer, the plane
changes heading by 45=B0.
It all sounds doable until you try it. Having flown mine from North
Carolina to Brodhead 3 times, Sun 'n' Fun once and Dulles Int'l once, I
won't do it without a good GPS - it's just too much trouble. CAN I do
it?
- Yes. I flew a J-3 Cub from Tennessee to Texas with nothing but a
compass
and chart, but if GPS had been available ten I certainly would have used
it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flea
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Avionics thoughts
I don't know if its a "need" to have a nav unit or not, but I suspect
that a
pencil, map, and E6B in an open cockpit plane with 24" shoulder room
might
be a bit of a hassle. So maybe a nav unit of some type is a case of
convenience more than necessity.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics thoughts |
I must be a Luddite too - been having the same thoughts. A few years
ago, a friend who is in the Navy, but flew CH-53's for the Marines,
mentioned that very few of the troops he carried knew how to use a
map & compass to navigate across country, including the officers.
Why depend on a lot of fancy electronics & batteries when a piece of
printed paper works well? (OK, I also have a gift of knowing more or
less where I am all the time, I've only been disoriented-lost once in
my life, so maybe I'm biased).
Do not archive
Kip Gardner
On Jul 7, 2010, at 11:10 PM, Doug Dever wrote:
> I have an idea for a nav. Map, plotter, pencil and E6B. Got me to
> the arctic and back. Does anybody know how to do dead reconing any
> more? Seriously, Unless you're doing an around the world stint do
> we really need a "nav" in a piet. Intercom, yes
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics thoughts |
I only flew rag and tube airplanes with no electrics or avionics for most of my
life. When I rented a 172 with a nav and a com for a cross country I was amazed
at how much It eased my workload. I think it depends on the type of flying
you do but for local flying I would not bother with any avionics.
Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
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From: "flea" <jimgriggs@yahoo.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Avionics thoughts
I don't know if its a "need" to have a nav unit or not, but I suspect that a pencil,
map, and E6B in an open cockpit plane with 24" shoulder room might be a
bit of a hassle. So maybe a nav unit of some type is a case of convenience more
than necessity.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304134#304134
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| Subject: | center flop thoughts |
Tom: the hinged flop on 41CC is the full width
of the centersection and the full depth from
trailing edge to rear spar. Works great.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Continental A75 Eyebrows |
Jack wrote-
>Original cracking was on the bracket that attached
>the left shroud to the rocker box covers. First the
>left forward bracket broke, then the left rear, then
>the right forward
My exact experience with the A65, continuing now with
the A75. I get fatigue cracking in one per year, because
it seems like that has been a squawk at every annual. I
have one cracking right now.
I'm going to try your combination of metal type and
thickness this time, since I need to rework the eyebrows
anyway... it gets a little rough around the spark plug
holes with dead-soft aluminum and clumsy wrenches and
I may as well remake the eyebrows.
PS, whoever mentioned that the eyebrows are mirror images
forgot that the cylinder banks are staggered. See:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P3170002.JPG
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | FlyCorvair.com website update |
There is a new update on William Wynne's web site:
http://flycorvair.com/hangar.html
Some Piet pix on the page, including a great one of
Shad and Gary Bell's Piet in flight.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows |
Nice photo angle.
I suggested they might be mirror images of each other in the tape form diatribe.
Making a tape form is a pain and knowing it's a mirror image can spare you having
to make two.
Besides, despite being offset, they look an awful lot like mirror images to me.
Are they not?
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 8:47 AM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>
>
>
>Jack wrote-
>
>>Original cracking was on the bracket that attached
>>the left shroud to the rocker box covers. First the
>>left forward bracket broke, then the left rear, then
>>the right forward
>
>My exact experience with the A65, continuing now with
>the A75. I get fatigue cracking in one per year, because
>it seems like that has been a squawk at every annual. I
>have one cracking right now.
>
>I'm going to try your combination of metal type and
>thickness this time, since I need to rework the eyebrows
>anyway... it gets a little rough around the spark plug
>holes with dead-soft aluminum and clumsy wrenches and
>I may as well remake the eyebrows.
>
>PS, whoever mentioned that the eyebrows are mirror images
>forgot that the cylinder banks are staggered. See:
>http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P3170002.JPG
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows |
As I think about it, can you add doublers to the places where the cracking is going
on?
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 8:47 AM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>
>
>
>Jack wrote-
>
>>Original cracking was on the bracket that attached
>>the left shroud to the rocker box covers. First the
>>left forward bracket broke, then the left rear, then
>>the right forward
>
>My exact experience with the A65, continuing now with
>the A75. I get fatigue cracking in one per year, because
>it seems like that has been a squawk at every annual. I
>have one cracking right now.
>
>I'm going to try your combination of metal type and
>thickness this time, since I need to rework the eyebrows
>anyway... it gets a little rough around the spark plug
>holes with dead-soft aluminum and clumsy wrenches and
>I may as well remake the eyebrows.
>
>PS, whoever mentioned that the eyebrows are mirror images
>forgot that the cylinder banks are staggered. See:
>http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P3170002.JPG
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows |
It's not evident from the camera angle, but if you want the leading edges of the
eyebrows to be even with each other and equidistant from the rear of the prop,
one eyebrow will be longer/deeper than the other.
I hadn't thought of using doublers on the tabs. Others have mentioned making the
tabs out of steel so that was what I was going to do instead of continuing
to fuss with aluminum and fatigue cracks. However, I also found a crack in the
metal "L"-piece that mounts to the top of the engine, that the aluminum eyebrow
attaches to by the engine case parting line and that piece is light gauge
steel. Vibration and the pulsing beat of the propwash take their toll.
Maybe I should ditch this shaky old antique 4-banger and go with a smooth 6-cylinder
Corvair instead ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows |
"...Maybe I should ditch this shaky old antique 4-banger and go with a
smooth 6-cylinder Corvair..."
Now you're talkin', Oscar!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
It's not evident from the camera angle, but if you want the leading edges of
the eyebrows to be even with each other and equidistant from the rear of the
prop, one eyebrow will be longer/deeper than the other.
I hadn't thought of using doublers on the tabs. Others have mentioned
making the tabs out of steel so that was what I was going to do instead of
continuing to fuss with aluminum and fatigue cracks. However, I also found
a crack in the metal "L"-piece that mounts to the top of the engine, that
the aluminum eyebrow attaches to by the engine case parting line and that
piece is light gauge steel. Vibration and the pulsing beat of the propwash
take their toll.
Maybe I should ditch this shaky old antique 4-banger and go with a smooth
6-cylinder Corvair instead ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304169#304169
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| Subject: | Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows |
That brings up a good point, Oscar. The angle bracket that the shrouds
attach to on top of the engine should be made of steel. It gets trapped
under the top cylinder base nuts and has to remain tightly torqued. If that
bracket is aluminum over time it will relax and reduce the torque on those
top nuts, which are required to hold the cylinders on. My brackets are
.050" thick 4130 steel, with nutplates to attach the shrouds and those are
the only parts on the whole shroud assembly that have given no trouble.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
It's not evident from the camera angle, but if you want the leading edges of
the eyebrows to be even with each other and equidistant from the rear of the
prop, one eyebrow will be longer/deeper than the other.
I hadn't thought of using doublers on the tabs. Others have mentioned
making the tabs out of steel so that was what I was going to do instead of
continuing to fuss with aluminum and fatigue cracks. However, I also found
a crack in the metal "L"-piece that mounts to the top of the engine, that
the aluminum eyebrow attaches to by the engine case parting line and that
piece is light gauge steel. Vibration and the pulsing beat of the propwash
take their toll.
Maybe I should ditch this shaky old antique 4-banger and go with a smooth
6-cylinder Corvair instead ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304169#304169
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| Subject: | Continental A75 Eyebrows |
Tried that. Apparently the eyebrows just take a heck of a beating from the
slipstream (particularly the left one, since it always cracks first).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
As I think about it, can you add doublers to the places where the cracking
is going on?
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 8:47 AM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>
>
>
>Jack wrote-
>
>>Original cracking was on the bracket that attached
>>the left shroud to the rocker box covers. First the
>>left forward bracket broke, then the left rear, then
>>the right forward
>
>My exact experience with the A65, continuing now with
>the A75. I get fatigue cracking in one per year, because
>it seems like that has been a squawk at every annual. I
>have one cracking right now.
>
>I'm going to try your combination of metal type and
>thickness this time, since I need to rework the eyebrows
>anyway... it gets a little rough around the spark plug
>holes with dead-soft aluminum and clumsy wrenches and
>I may as well remake the eyebrows.
>
>PS, whoever mentioned that the eyebrows are mirror images
>forgot that the cylinder banks are staggered. See:
>http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P3170002.JPG
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Continental A75 Eyebrows |
I saw one response a while back on this thread that asked or suggested using a
softer aluminum for the eyebrows. The theory being that softer material will flex
better without stressing as much. Has anyone done this and what is the result?
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
St. Louis, MO
'Flyin Low and Slow'
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Continental A75 Eyebrows |
That was one of my thoughts also. Another was to reinforce the leading edge of
these things somehow (a wire-rolled edge, a larger-sized formed edge, or maybe
an additional stiffener piece) to keep it from moving too much. It kinda reminds
me of my backpacking tents (with the hoop forms) and how they react in a wind.
Jack's right - These things really do get pounded in the propwash. Steady force
is one thing, but the pulsations are the killer because they make things move.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 10:15 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>
>
>I saw one response a while back on this thread that asked or suggested using a
softer aluminum for the eyebrows. The theory being that softer material will
flex better without stressing as much. Has anyone done this and what is the result?
>
>Jeff Wilson
>N899WT
>St. Louis, MO
>'Flyin Low and Slow'
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: center flop thoughts |
Mine is the dreaded GN-1 version but one thing that was very apparent when I hung
it-bought this plane project with wings and center section and flop glued up.
he made the flop the same width as the center section and once the wings were
hung there is about 2" on each side gap since the space for connecting the
wing root brackets has to be covered too so if you don't put the wings together
with the center section or measure and add you'll need to allow for that space.
Raymond
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| Subject: | Continental A75 Eyebrows |
Or how about a small doubler piece in the area of the hole? Maybe rounded or curved
to eliminate stress risers?
Maybe that would take care of the need to have some additional material in the
general area around the fitting without requiring the full thickness over the
entire cowling area?
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 9:15 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>
>
>I saw one response a while back on this thread that asked or suggested using a
softer aluminum for the eyebrows. The theory being that softer material will
flex better without stressing as much. Has anyone done this and what is the result?
>
>Jeff Wilson
>N899WT
>St. Louis, MO
>'Flyin Low and Slow'
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics thoughts |
On 07/08/2010 01:02 AM, Gerry Holland wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gerry Holland<gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
<snip>
> Regarding navigation. I'm using iPhone with our CAA Maps as an App. It is
> actual chart as per physical map and is used as back up reference to dead
> reckoning. (Really!) The 12V Battery supply with socket is essential in this
> application to ensure longer term supply for iPhone. A PDA or PND is also a
> great unit for this application. Take a look at http://www.pocketfms.com
> Both units are light and small for cockpit restricted use, only the battery
> weighs in heavier at about 6lbs.
OK. I will admit that I *do* use my iPhone with MotionX GPS app ($2.99)
to get me from point A to point B from time-to-time, but now that I know
the area better, I generally just use it to log my flight path to see
how much time I've spent flying.
The battery life on the iPhone is pretty short when you're running a GPS
app in the foreground, so I bought an xPal Energizer 18000 battery pack.
It's got 18000mH of power which will run my iPhone continually for 50+
hours between recharges. It weighs in at 17.5oz (0.22kg). I mount it
on the side wall of the fuse with velcro tabs.
Here's the URL for the battery:
http://www.energizerpowerpacks.com/us/products/xp18000/
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Continental A75 Eyebrows |
What he said. I just yanked my old copy of 'Aircraft Sheet Metal' by Nick Bonacci
off the shelf and thumbed through the section on patch repairs like this; good
stuff. My AC43-13 didn't have quite the same depth.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 10:55 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>
>
>Or how about a small doubler piece in the area of the hole? Maybe rounded or
curved to eliminate stress risers?
>
>Maybe that would take care of the need to have some additional material in the
general area around the fitting without requiring the full thickness over the
entire cowling area?
>
>jm
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 9:15 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows
>>
>>
>>I saw one response a while back on this thread that asked or suggested using
a softer aluminum for the eyebrows. The theory being that softer material will
flex better without stressing as much. Has anyone done this and what is the result?
>>
>>Jeff Wilson
>>N899WT
>>St. Louis, MO
>>'Flyin Low and Slow'
>>
>>Do not archive
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| Subject: | Blast cabinet impressions |
Last week I printed off some of the material on westcoastpiet.com for later perusal.
I've been sick this week, so I've had the opportunity to catch up on some
of it as I try to behave myself and get well. I've been reading the article
about the wooden cabinet sandblaster and this has been a tool on my list for some
time. I bought a 55-gallon drum a couple years ago with the intentions of
cobbling together a blast cabinet, but I think I like this wood one better as
I read about it.
I was curious if anybody (Jim Markle?) here has built and used one of these enough
to be able to comment on its up and down sides.
Jim Ash
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio Corvair Fly-IN - Part 2 |
Kip, I will try to fly up early on sat morning, and leave around 10:30 am.
- I would like to stay longer but I have a wedding I have to go to at 1.
-
Shad Bell
NX92GB
Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Blast cabinet impressions |
Jim,
Years ago I built a wooden cabinet sandblaster. You will need to line it with sheet
metal, rubber or nylon immediately. If you make your window from tempered
glass ask the Glass Co. for "salvage plate" and have several cut right off the
bat. Salvage plate is exactly that...salvage from storefronts. It is normally
cheaper. Depending on what you are blasting and the amount of ricochet....you
can frost a window over in a couple of hours.
You might want to price out the components and then with that budget watch Craigslist.
You can pick up a nice used Trinco pretty reasonable right now. As always
you will have more $$ into the homebuilt unit than you initially think.
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| Subject: | Avionics thoughts, and corvairs |
What are these avi-onicals y'all is talk'in bout?- I got one of dem brand
new paper ground pictures that folds up, and one of dem direction indicato
rs ya dumps your ex-try moonshine in to, I aint got too dis-con-bobulated y
et.- I even knows where to drive to, to picks up da pieces that falls off
my engine.-
-
Shad
-p.s.- a gps is nice for low visibility or emergency use, and for detec
ting un-noticed head/Tail winds
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I know this wasn't requested, but with several new interested parties on the boards,
I figured I'd offer a list that has been very helpful to me. This might
be published elsewhere, but it was forwarded to me by someone here (probably
Markle) and I reference it often when trying to decide which pieces to use for
certain assemblies.
The original list that I received was compiled by Bob McKinley. I think he must
have been one of the Ohio guys as there was a Buckeye Piet sketch in the margin,
but I'm not sure. Certainly someone here knows of him. The list I recieved
was a scanned image of an old document that was typed up on a typewriter,
and some of the notes were difficult to make out. If I had that file I would
offer it too, but I'm afraid I've deleted it, or at least misplaced it among all
my Pietenpol goodies.
Anyhow, I used Bob's list to inventory my wood kit when it was delivered. It was
pretty close to right on... the spar thickness was different (3/4" instead
of 1"), and Aircraft Spruce offered a couple of additional parts in the tail section
(I've noted all of these on the new list), otherwise it is very handy in
helping to sort out all the parts one might need to assemble this airplane,
whether you choose to purchase a kit or cut your own parts.
All of Bob's notes are included in the notes section, but I've added a few of my
own to this modern version too IN BOLD.
I hope this helps some of you as much as it has helped me.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| Subject: | Avionics thoughts, and corvairs |
My first flight instructor started flyin' in 1930. Very early on he told me
that Charles Lindbergh used a GRS navigation system.
I still use it myself. That and a sectional or even a state road map works
great as long as I'm in VFR conditions.
GRS = Ground Railway System.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
St. Louis
'Flyin Low and Slow'
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| Subject: | Blast cabinet impressions |
Blast cabinets need not be hard. I made a very serviceable cabinet out a medium
large cardboard box, half a roll of duct tape, a 2 foot square piece of scrap
glass and a fifteen dollar blast gun from Harbor Freight 7 years ago.
Still using it. Just be sure your air compressor will put out sufficient volumne
and don,t cheap out on the blast media. Glass beads work best.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
St. Louis
'Flyin Low and Slow'
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| Subject: | Avionics thoughts, and corvairs |
Good point. Back then most towns had a passenger RR station, and I believe many,
if not most had the name of the town on the roof of the station, to help guide
aviators.
CL must have picked up a few other tricks before his 1927 hop across the pond.
I recall the following, but the details may not be right. He was about four
miles off course from his first European landpoint in Ireland. That is smack on.
His dead reckoning of interim points was on brown wrapping paper on folded
cardboard, posted in pencil each hour. (The pencil was lighter than a pen and
less likely to fail.) His plotted course was NOT a straight line, as he was
adjusting for winds and compass deviation, and for what he believed he had covered
empirically (actually). Between that and fuel management, icing, and staying
awake, he was fully occupied. IT was then, and still is, absolutely amazing.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff wilson
Sent: Jul 8, 2010 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Avionics thoughts, and corvairs
My first flight instructor started flyin' in 1930 Very early on he told me that
Charles Lindbergh used a GRS navigation system.
I still use it myself. That and a sectional or even a state road map works great
as long as I'm in VFR conditions.
GRS = Ground Railway System.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
St. Louis
'Flyin Low and Slow'
Do Not Archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Blast cabinet impressions |
I did build it and love it! I'm using some of that thick "store front" glass and
that has also worked very well. "Regular" glass will definitely frost over
pretty quickly. I used a cheap Campbell Hausfeld gun (from WalMart) and it has
worked very well for me.
Sure couldn't hurt to line the inside with metal, but I didn't. I can see where
the wood has been eaten away a bit. But after many hours of use, no real issue
on mine.
Aside from the "standard" shop tools, I would say that cabinet and my cheap metal
cutting band saw are the two most used pieces of equipment in my workshop.
Love them both!
I would also add a basic powdercoating setup (around $100 from Eastwood). It's
great to be able to sandblast then powdercoat (and not just airplane parts!)
immediately.
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 10:36 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Blast cabinet impressions
>
>
>
>Last week I printed off some of the material on westcoastpiet.com for later perusal.
I've been sick this week, so I've had the opportunity to catch up on some
of it as I try to behave myself and get well. I've been reading the article
about the wooden cabinet sandblaster and this has been a tool on my list for
some time. I bought a 55-gallon drum a couple years ago with the intentions of
cobbling together a blast cabinet, but I think I like this wood one better as
I read about it.
>
>I was curious if anybody (Jim Markle?) here has built and used one of these enough
to be able to comment on its up and down sides.
>
>Jim Ash
>
>
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| Subject: | Gun info... Blast cabinet impressions |
In case anyone is interested:
Here's the sandblasting gun info:
http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-AT1226/p156.html
I would also add that a large compressor is a good idea. Mine is (I think) 26
gal at 125psi....maybe less psi...but I have to stop and wait for it to catch
up if I'm doing continuous blasting....
And the powdercoating info (I was a bit off on my price) if you're interested:
http://www.eastwood.com/hotcoat-deluxe-powder-coat-kit.html
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 12:51 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Blast cabinet impressions
>
>I did build it and love it! I'm using some of that thick "store front" glass
and that has also worked very well. "Regular" glass will definitely frost over
pretty quickly. I used a cheap Campbell Hausfeld gun (from WalMart) and it
has worked very well for me.
>
>Sure couldn't hurt to line the inside with metal, but I didn't. I can see where
the wood has been eaten away a bit. But after many hours of use, no real issue
on mine.
>
>Aside from the "standard" shop tools, I would say that cabinet and my cheap metal
cutting band saw are the two most used pieces of equipment in my workshop.
Love them both!
>
>I would also add a basic powdercoating setup (around $100 from Eastwood). It's
great to be able to sandblast then powdercoat (and not just airplane parts!)
immediately.
>
>jm
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Jul 8, 2010 10:36 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Blast cabinet impressions
>>
>>
>>
>>Last week I printed off some of the material on westcoastpiet.com for later perusal.
I've been sick this week, so I've had the opportunity to catch up on some
of it as I try to behave myself and get well. I've been reading the article
about the wooden cabinet sandblaster and this has been a tool on my list for
some time. I bought a 55-gallon drum a couple years ago with the intentions of
cobbling together a blast cabinet, but I think I like this wood one better as
I read about it.
>>
>>I was curious if anybody (Jim Markle?) here has built and used one of these enough
to be able to comment on its up and down sides.
>>
>>Jim Ash
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: center flop thoughts |
Mine goes right back to the center fuel tank.=0AMine ia a GN-1 aircamper.
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tm
brant@msn.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matroni
cs.com>=0ASent: Wed, July 7, 2010 11:24:20 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: ce
nter flop thoughts=0A=0AI'm working on the center section of my Piet and af
ter going thru some of the =0Aarchives, it seems there are many options on
ways to do it - per the plans, with =0Aand without flop, wider, etc...=0A
=0AThe flops I've seen in person tend to be only the length of the aileron
but I'm =0Awondering why couldn't a guy take the flop all the way to the re
ar spar.- I plan =0Ato cover the flop with tinted lexan for better visibi
lity in turns.- The ones =0AI've seen also seem to be only about 2'-0" wi
de or just a shade over but I'm =0Athinking I might make mine the entire wi
dth of the center section.- Has anyone =0Adoes these ideas before or have
any learnings or (opinions)?=0A=0AI have the CC glued up but still working
on the nose ribs.- I had built two of =0Athem a while ago when I was goi
ng with a 3 foot section but when I changed to a =0A4'-0" section, realized
I needed another.- So, the middle one will be plywood =0Amost likely.=0A
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| Subject: | Re: center flop thoughts |
Now, see... Harvey's setup addresses the wide wing gaps at the flop by incorporating
wing gap seal strips on the flop itself. Very nice solution.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Avionics thoughts |
I used to use a sectional in my ultralight and it doesnt get more open than
that! Granted you had to have you sectional folded to one panel and so it
could be progressively folded without unfolding more than 2 panels. I lik
e maps. The batteries don't run down and they dont go blank. Except when
the sun goes down. Although I love my GPS in my car...most of the time.
Anyone up for IFR in uncontrolled airspace with 250 plus miles between VORs
(Read no signal for long periods) and no GPS. Now That is not comfortable
.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: kipandbeth@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Avionics thoughts
I must be a Luddite too - been having the same thoughts. A few years ago
=2C a friend who is in the Navy=2C but flew CH-53's for the Marines=2C ment
ioned that very few of the troops he carried knew how to use a map & compas
s to navigate across country=2C including the officers. Why depend on a lo
t of fancy electronics & batteries when a piece of printed paper works well
? (OK=2C I also have a gift of knowing more or less where I am all the time
=2C I've only been disoriented-lost once in my life=2C so maybe I'm biased)
.
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Kip Gardner
On Jul 7=2C 2010=2C at 11:10 PM=2C Doug Dever wrote:
I have an idea for a nav. Map=2C plotter=2C pencil and E6B. Got me to the
arctic and back. Does anybody know how to do dead reconing any more? Ser
iously=2C Unless you're doing an around the world stint do we really need
a "nav" in a piet. Intercom=2C yes
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics thoughts |
He must have been carrying around pogues. USMC infantry know how to land nav
with a map and compass, and call for fire, and all sorts of other fun map
activities. Been there, done that.
That's ok though. We like the Navy. They're a darn good air and water-borne
taxi service. :)
Ryan
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On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I must be a Luddite too - been having the same thoughts. A few years ago,
> a friend who is in the Navy, but flew CH-53's for the Marines, mentioned
> that very few of the troops he carried knew how to use a map & compass to
> navigate across country, including the officers. Why depend on a lot of
> fancy electronics & batteries when a piece of printed paper works well? (OK,
> I also have a gift of knowing more or less where I am all the time, I've
> only been disoriented-lost once in my life, so maybe I'm biased).
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: center flop thoughts |
I would love to take credit for that but my AME is the one who came up with
that =0Aidea.Also the wing gap covers themselves are very nicely designed
by him with =0Atightening strap and bolt at the ends.He is a very smart man
.I think he has =0Alived three life times.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________=0AFrom: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-li
st@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, July 8, 2010 2:30:25 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-
taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0A=0ANow, see... Harvey's setup addresse
s the wide wing gaps at the flop by =0Aincorporating wing gap seal strips o
n the flop itself.- Very nice solution.=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0ASa
n Antonio, TX=0AAir Camper NX41CC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here
:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304220#304220=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | wing root covers for GN-1 |
you may have to blow the picture up a bit but you can see them there on eit
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List
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| Subject: | Re: center flop thoughts |
yep - this is what I planned on doing. A "lip" or gap seal over the top at
tached to the flop and one underneath attached to the wing. My gap should
be around 2"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: center flop thoughts
> From: taildrags@hotmail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 8 Jul 2010 11:30:25 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Now=2C see... Harvey's setup addresses the wide wing gaps at the flop by
incorporating wing gap seal strips on the flop itself. Very nice solution.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio=2C TX
> Air Camper NX41CC
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304220#304220
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| Subject: | Re: wing root covers for GN-1 |
That is a nice looking Air Camper!
I love the picture of the prop in motion....
Very nice Harvey.....
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: H RULE
Sent: Jul 8, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing root covers for GN-1
you may have to blow the picture up a bit but you can see them there on either
side of the center section
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<
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| Subject: | Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? |
Well, I bought the "new" style oil pressure valve spring and installed it, tonight.
Then I fired the old girl up and watched the pressure spike at 60psi while
it warmed up. After about 5 minutes the temp was at 40C and the pressure was
on it's way down to 50-55psi. I took off and tooled around the field for about
40 minutes. The temp got up to 75C and the pressure never got below 39psi with
the throttle at the firewall, 2300rpm.
When I entered the pattern and pulled it back to 1400 the pressure dropped to 28.
Pulled up to the hangar and pulled it back to idle, pressure dropped to 15.
I pushed the throttle up to 1300-1400 and the pressure "popped" back up to 30-35.
Back to idle, back to 15psi. Back to 1300, back to 30.
So, the new spring definitely helps. But, is it a bandaid? Or is it a solution
that will work until the pump gets worse?
I'll spend a couple more hours in 'er in the next couple of weeks, but it looks
I'll be flying to Brodhead. :-D
Dan
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