Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 07/11/10


Total Messages Posted: 20



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:31 AM - Airplane Plans (Todd Pryby)
     2. 05:41 AM - Re: Airplane Plans (Ben Charvet)
     3. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Gene Rambo)
     4. 07:47 AM - Continental A75 Eyebrows (Oscar Zuniga)
     5. 11:43 AM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Dan Yocum)
     6. 11:45 AM - Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? (Dan Yocum)
     7. 01:13 PM - weight & balance- NX41CC (Oscar Zuniga)
     8. 03:50 PM - Re: weight & balance- NX41CC (Tim Willis)
     9. 04:08 PM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (Tim Willis)
    10. 05:17 PM - Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows (taildrags)
    11. 06:08 PM - Corvair magneto (skellytown flyer)
    12. 06:31 PM - Landing gear height (Jerry Dotson)
    13. 06:56 PM - Re: Avionics thoughts, and corvairs (Clif Dawson)
    14. 06:59 PM - Corvair magneto/transponder cost? (Ben Charvet)
    15. 07:15 PM - Re: Corvair magneto (kevinpurtee)
    16. 07:23 PM - Landing gear height (Ben Charvet)
    17. 09:07 PM - Re: Landing gear height (Gary Boothe)
    18. 09:39 PM - Re: Corvair magneto/transponder cost? (Ryan Mueller)
    19. 09:44 PM - Re: Corvair magneto (Ryan Mueller)
    20. 11:09 PM - Re: Landing gear height (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:31:39 AM PST US
    From: "Todd Pryby" <tpryby@cox.net>
    Subject: Airplane Plans
    Does anyone know if the plans for building a Pietenpol will be on hand Oshkosh for purchase?


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    Time: 05:41:46 AM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Airplane Plans
    I really doubt it. They are only available from the Pietenpol family, and it is a small scale operation that doesn't run a booth or anything. You can probably find a copy of the original plans as published in the only Flying and Glider magazine back in the 30's that will give you an idea what the construction is like. The EAA sells reprints, and you should be able to find a copy in one of their stores there. Here is the link to the website where you can order plans: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Product.html Better yet, stop by Brodhead the weekend before OSH, and maybe someone will have a set of plans there you can look at. Ben Charvet On 7/11/2010 8:30 AM, Todd Pryby wrote: > > Does anyone know if the plans for building a Pietenpol will be on hand > Oshkosh for purchase? > > * > > > *


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    Time: 06:07:04 AM PST US
    From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
    I'm not sure about the high/low readings=2C but do you have an orifice in t he syustem anywhere?? That would take care of the bouncing reading. The f itting out of the back of the engine should be an orifice fitting=2C or you could solder up the fitting and drill a tiny hole. Like I said=2C this wo uld only take care of the larege fluctuations. Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure? From: yocum137@gmail.com I swear=2C I can't win for losing! Took a ride up to Poplar Grove tonight and the oil temp got up to 82C and the pressure wouldn't go *below* 52psi d uring cruise and at idle it was at 35. I mean=2C seriously. Excuse my Fren ch=2C but Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?? I'm now fairly convinced the pressure gauge is flakier than my Aunt Ethel =2C the way it pops around=2C but do I put the "old" style spring back in? Jeez! Any one care to venture a guess? Befuddled in Illinois -- yocum@gmail.com


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    Time: 07:47:11 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Continental A75 Eyebrows
    Wow, Dan... that is quite a long engine mount on your airplane. Reminds me of the mount on Ernie Moreno's airplane with the Franklin engine... quite an extended mount. I see what you mean about those reinforced tabs on your eyebrow mounts. Maybe that's what I'll try, since yours seem to be very simple and obviously have held up. Add some doublers to the eyebrows and then just use straight tabs. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 11:43:50 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
    Yeah, she's got a long snout. She matches her owner. ;-) Apparently there was a W&B issue with N8031 - this new mount was added in '99 and is 8" longer than the original. The quality of the welding is top-notch. With a passenger, I still need to apply quite a lot of forward trim to keep it level. Or maybe I need to take Greg's cue and only allow pretty young girls in the front seat. :-D Dan On 07/11/2010 09:46 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga<taildrags@hotmail.com> > > > Wow, Dan... that is quite a long engine mount on > your airplane. Reminds me of the mount on Ernie > Moreno's airplane with the Franklin engine... quite > an extended mount. > > I see what you mean about those reinforced tabs on > your eyebrow mounts. Maybe that's what I'll try, > since yours seem to be very simple and obviously > have held up. Add some doublers to the eyebrows > and then just use straight tabs. -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 11:45:04 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: New cylinder - low oil pressure?
    On 07/10/2010 03:49 PM, Greg Cardinal wrote: > <gcardinal@comcast.net> > > Dan, > > You can bleed the oil pressure line by SLIGHTLY loosening the connection > fitting at the gauge with the engine running. About 1/4 to 1/2 turn is > all you need. As soon as you get a drop or two of oil simply re-tighten > the fitting. It will only take a few seconds. Ah! That would be too obvious for someone like me to figure out, and makes perfect sense. Thanks! Dan do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 01:13:07 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: weight & balance- NX41CC
    A new weight & balance was performed on Air Camper 41CC yesterday, since a major change was made to the airplane (engine change from A65 to A75). I am very pleased with the results. Left main, 307#; right main, 304#; tailwheel 25# for a total empty weight of 636 with 3 qts. of oil. This is an increase of only 3 lbs. over the A65, and almost entirely attributable to the addition of a smoke system mount on the firewall and stainless steel exhaust stacks on the engine. Everything else was pretty much a wash. Electronic, digital, factory-calibrated, race car scales were used and EAA Life Member and Chapter 35 Tech Counselor Norris Warner (Col., USAF, Ret.) conducted the operation. The airplane remains within 6 lbs. of the empty weight that it sported when Corky first signed it off on 9/28/02, and this despite me constantly adding things to it. The Hoopman plans show an empty weight of 610 lbs. for the Air Camper, but that was without a steerable tailwheel, turn & bank, venturi, vertical speed indicator, ELT, VHF COMM antenna with ground plane and coax cable, or seatbelts and shoulder harness. Corky built the airplane about as light as they can be built. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 03:50:50 PM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: weight & balance- NX41CC
    That is a very light weight. Good for you and Corky. Comparing to the Hoopman plans, Dan Helsper may have to refer to the BP Chronicles for this, but some have said that BP did not varnish a lot of his stuff, either-- except maybe the oatmeal container cardboard wing leading edges. Light... light... light. Tim in central tX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> >Sent: Jul 11, 2010 4:12 PM >To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: weight & balance- NX41CC > > > >A new weight & balance was performed on Air Camper 41CC >yesterday, since a major change was made to the airplane >(engine change from A65 to A75). I am very pleased with >the results. Left main, 307#; right main, 304#; tailwheel >25# for a total empty weight of 636 with 3 qts. of oil. >This is an increase of only 3 lbs. over the A65, and almost >entirely attributable to the addition of a smoke system >mount on the firewall and stainless steel exhaust stacks >on the engine. Everything else was pretty much a wash. >Electronic, digital, factory-calibrated, race car scales >were used and EAA Life Member and Chapter 35 Tech Counselor >Norris Warner (Col., USAF, Ret.) conducted the operation. > >The airplane remains within 6 lbs. of the empty weight that >it sported when Corky first signed it off on 9/28/02, and >this despite me constantly adding things to it. The Hoopman >plans show an empty weight of 610 lbs. for the Air Camper, >but that was without a steerable tailwheel, turn & bank, >venturi, vertical speed indicator, ELT, VHF COMM antenna >with ground plane and coax cable, or seatbelts and shoulder >harness. > >Corky built the airplane about as light as they can be built. > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >


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    Time: 04:08:17 PM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
    Attached is a pic from the FlyBaby site, in which the builder, Chuck Bayard, used the eyebrow design from the Cub Club. (The design template is available for a $10 fee, after you have paid, I think, to join the Cub Club.) Anyway, as you can see, the design features a long horizontal doubler, perhaps of steel, behind the scoop of the eyebrow. I like Dan's tabs better, but Bayard's offsets on his tabs are nice. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga >Sent: Jul 11, 2010 10:46 AM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental A75 Eyebrows > > > >Wow, Dan... that is quite a long engine mount on >your airplane. Reminds me of the mount on Ernie >Moreno's airplane with the Franklin engine... quite >an extended mount. > >I see what you mean about those reinforced tabs on >your eyebrow mounts. Maybe that's what I'll try, >since yours seem to be very simple and obviously >have held up. Add some doublers to the eyebrows >and then just use straight tabs. > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > >


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    Time: 05:17:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Continental A75 Eyebrows
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    I like the setup in this picture even better than the one Dan has, because the eyebrows fit closer to the tops of the cylinders and hold more of the cooling air inside the eyebrow and down through the fins. Dan's seem to stand clear of the cylinders a good 1/2" or more. Combine this with the wire-rolled leading edges and it should be just about the ideal setup. Now all I have to do is take the airplane out of service while I build new eyebrows for it ;o) (although I guess I could do the "molded tape" exercise, or stiff card stock, and not take the airplane out of service while I build new eyebrows?!) -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304522#304522


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    Time: 06:08:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Corvair magneto
    From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
    I am still not happy with the requirements for a transponder to be installed on an aircraft with an electrical system. I am looking for an affordable plug-in style mag for my Corvair.I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that might be running a mag on a Corvair.or someone that might have one to sell or trade.I wonder if there would be any way to have a for sale or trade section with this site like the Kansas city Dawn patrol does but probably not since it doesn't seem to be the same type of site. as you can tell I am not very computer literate.but I have several items that I am not using that might be of use to other builders like probably most on this site do.so if you know anywhere to find a mag for some more reasonable price that the race shops Id appreciate a heads up.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304526#304526


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    Time: 06:31:41 PM PST US
    Subject: Landing gear height
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@erec.net>
    I am going to start my main landing gear this week I hope. The only height I can find on the drawings is 51" to the top of the top longeron with it level. That seems pretty high. You builders out there chime in here. I am using 21" spoke wheels but that should not be an issue. I assume using 6.00 X 6 tires it would be the same. Can't find anything in the archives. I would like some feedback on this. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304533#304533


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    Time: 06:56:05 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Avionics thoughts, and corvairs
    I've always known that as the Iron Compass. :-) I just got back from the Arlington EAA gathering. Not as lively as the last few years. Maybe two thirds the planes which isn't surprising since that other third has always been us Canucks. Now that the border crap is so onerous no one want's to brave the bureaucracy from up here. Also, the operations chief has been one of us for years but last year he and his son fell to earth when a wing came off his 40 year old Jodel. Now they've turned it over to some company to run. And I have a new toy. A Terra TX760D from the flymart for $800. Downloading manual now, all 43 pages of the thing! :-) Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff wilson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:29 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Avionics thoughts, and corvairs My first flight instructor started flyin' in 1930 Very early on he told me that Charles Lindbergh used a GRS navigation system. I still use it myself. That and a sectional or even a state road map works great as long as I'm in VFR conditions. GRS = Ground Railway System. Jeff Wilson N899WT St. Louis 'Flyin Low and Slow' Do Not Archive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07/07/10 11:38:00


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    Time: 06:59:15 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
    Subject: Corvair magneto/transponder cost?
    I've never heard of a magneto for the corvair. There is a Pietenpol at my airport with a Corvair and the builder didn't install an engine driven charging system. The simple point ignition system will operate a long time on a battery charge, and that is what this builder did. I believe William Wynn mentions this option in his book. How much does a transponder cost anyway? There have been a few times it would have been nice to have one. Ben Charvet NX866BC (A-65 powered) On 7/11/2010 9:07 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skellytown flyer"<skellflyer1@yahoo.com> > > I am still not happy with the requirements for a transponder to be installed on an aircraft with an electrical system. I am looking for an affordable plug-in style mag for my Corvair.I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that might be running a mag on a Corvair.or someone that might have one to sell or trade.I wonder if there would be any way to have a for sale or trade section with this site like the Kansas city Dawn patrol does but probably not since it doesn't seem to be the same type of site. as you can tell I am not very computer literate.but I have several items that I am not using that might be of use to other builders like probably most on this site do.so if you know anywhere to find a mag for some more reasonable price that the race shops Id appreciate a heads up.Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304526#304526 > > >


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    Time: 07:15:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair magneto
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Raymond - where on earth are you going to fly from Skellytown, TX where you'll need a transponder? :) Do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304539#304539


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    Time: 07:23:51 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
    Subject: Landing gear height
    That sounds about right to me. You could reverse engineer this. I believe you need 9 inches of clearance from the ground to your prop when in the level attitude, so figure where your prop centerline will be and measure down from there. I think I used the figure on the plans, though. The length of the gear needs to be designed around how tall your wheels are. I did some general research about where the wheels should be placed relative to your CG, but then I had to move my wing back 4 inches to get the CG to work out. Another factor is the deck angle in the 3-point stance, which as I remember should be around 11 degrees. Having said all that, you probably can't go to far wrong by just going by the plans. When the airplane is sitting on the tailwheel, the edge if the pilot's seat is a lot lower, and I can still easily throw my leg over it. Now that my airplane is finished and flying, I really miss all this problem solving. I need a new project! Ben Charvet On 7/11/2010 9:31 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"<jdotson@erec.net> > > I am going to start my main landing gear this week I hope. The only height I can find on the drawings is 51" to the top of the top longeron with it level. That seems pretty high. You builders out there chime in here. I am using 21" spoke wheels but that should not be an issue. I assume using 6.00 X 6 tires it would be the same. Can't find anything in the archives. I would like some feedback on this. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > Ribs and tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304533#304533 > > >


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    Time: 09:07:31 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Landing gear height
    Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). I did not follow the widely accepted, Chris Tracy up-side-down method, for no other reason than laziness, but the process of cutting all the struts only took a couple hours on a table saw. Rolling it out the door for the first time is a great feeling....best of luck to you! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 6:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height I am going to start my main landing gear this week I hope. The only height I can find on the drawings is 51" to the top of the top longeron with it level. That seems pretty high. You builders out there chime in here. I am using 21" spoke wheels but that should not be an issue. I assume using 6.00 X 6 tires it would be the same. Can't find anything in the archives. I would like some feedback on this. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304533#304533


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    Time: 09:39:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair magneto/transponder cost?
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    There is a product from "back in the day" called Vertex Magnetos....produced by a company called Taylor Cable: http://www.taylorvertex.com/ They used to make a six cylinder version of the magneto that would purportedly work in a Corvair, although I have never read of any that flew with one. Either way, they no longer produce a six cylinder Vertex magneto, only eight and four cylinder versions. Kind of a moot point for Raymond, as he does not need to have a transponder, therefore no need to try to save money by buying a magneto (which would actually be more expensive and more "experimental"). Have a good night, Ryan On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've never heard of a magneto for the corvair. There is a Pietenpol at my > airport with a Corvair and the builder didn't install an engine driven > charging system. The simple point ignition system will operate a long time > on a battery charge, and that is what this builder did. I believe William > Wynn mentions this option in his book. How much does a transponder cost > anyway? There have been a few times it would have been nice to have one. > > > Ben Charvet > NX866BC > (A-65 powered) > > > On 7/11/2010 9:07 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skellytown flyer"< >> skellflyer1@yahoo.com> >> >> I am still not happy with the requirements for a transponder to be >> installed on an aircraft with an electrical system. I am looking for an >> affordable plug-in style mag for my Corvair.I'd be interested in hearing >> from anyone that might be running a mag on a Corvair.or someone that might >> have one to sell or trade.I wonder if there would be any way to have a for >> sale or trade section with this site like the Kansas city Dawn patrol does >> but probably not since it doesn't seem to be the same type of site. as you >> can tell I am not very computer literate.but I have several items that I am >> not using that might be of use to other builders like probably most on this >> site do.so if you know anywhere to find a mag for some more reasonable price >> that the race shops Id appreciate a heads up.Raymond >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304526#304526 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 09:44:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair magneto
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    There is no FAR saying that aircraft with electrical systems (engine driven or otherwise) must have a transponder. You do not need one......as long as you are going to avoid airspace that requires that you have one. The clearest explanation that has been posted here before was a Q&A between Chuck Gantzer and Cy Galley (NOTE: I edited for brevity): ------------------------- Question: If an aircraft has an engine driven electrical system, does the FAR's require it to have a transponder ? Thank you Chuck Gantzer Answer: The answer is NO... but if you want to fly thru or land at class C, then you not only need a transponder plus an encoder. You sometimes can get a waiver for one airport but it is a hassle. If you don't have an engine driven electrical system then you can wander thru the class C. I got a transponder and encoder as I am based at a Class C airport. I contemplated getting a waiver BUT having a transponder helps prevent jets from backing into me (TCAS). Encoder is cheap ($200)... Transponder is couple thousand with install. Cy Galley ------------------------- So there you have it. Unless where you fly from or where you plan on flying to requires you to have a transponder to enter that airspace, you do not need one with a Corvair powered aircraft. Ryan P.S.: I mentioned in another reply: Vertex Magnetos used to available in a six cylinder version that would purportedly work on a Corvair, but they are no longer available. If you could find one it would most likely be more expensive than a used transponder anyhow. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:07 PM, skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>wrote: > skellflyer1@yahoo.com> > > I am still not happy with the requirements for a transponder to be > installed on an aircraft with an electrical system. I am looking for an > affordable plug-in style mag for my Corvair.I'd be interested in hearing > from anyone that might be running a mag on a Corvair.or someone that might > have one to sell or trade.I wonder if there would be any way to have a for > sale or trade section with this site like the Kansas city Dawn patrol does > but probably not since it doesn't seem to be the same type of site. as you > can tell I am not very computer literate.but I have several items that I am > not using that might be of use to other builders like probably most on this > site do.so if you know anywhere to find a mag for some more reasonable price > that the race shops Id appreciate a heads up.Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304526#304526 > >


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    Time: 11:09:35 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Landing gear height
    Mine is 52" to the top of top longeron with 3.50X19 wheels. Don't forget that the engine centerline is below the longeron. mine is down 4". So that makes 47" to the center of the prop. If you have a 72" prop then the tip is only 11" from the ground until you have a hard encounter in a level attitude. :-) And don't say it'l never happen. How many times I've heard those words and........ How many times I'VE said those words andddd....... :-) Clif "If we love flying so much why are we in a hurry to get there?" > I am going to start my main landing gear this week I hope. The only height > I > can find on the drawings is 51" to the top of the top longeron with it > level. That seems pretty high. You builders out there chime in here. I am > using 21" spoke wheels but that should not be an issue. > -------- > Jerry Dotson




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