---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/14/10: 49 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:01 AM - Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-In (Don Emch) 2. 08:07 AM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-In (Dan Yocum) 3. 09:15 AM - Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Don Emch) 4. 09:23 AM - Re: Piets in Texas (Ken Chambers) 5. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (shad bell) 6. 10:14 AM - Re: New return to the list... finally getting started on my build. (Michael Silvius) 7. 10:23 AM - Re: Piets in Texas (Tim Willis) 8. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Dan Yocum) 9. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Tim Willis) 10. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Jack Phillips) 11. 11:09 AM - New guy and wood (bender) 12. 11:25 AM - Re: New guy and wood (Jack Phillips) 13. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Dan Yocum) 14. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (John Hofmann) 15. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Jack Phillips) 16. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Dan Yocum) 17. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Jack Phillips) 18. 12:50 PM - Re: New guy and wood (shad bell) 19. 02:04 PM - Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (kevinpurtee) 20. 02:07 PM - Re: Landing gear height (Jim Boyer) 21. 02:52 PM - Re: Landing gear height (Gary Boothe) 22. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Gary Boothe) 23. 03:24 PM - Re: Piets in Texas (Gary Boothe) 24. 03:41 PM - Re: Landing gear height (Jim Boyer) 25. 03:42 PM - Re: Piets in Texas (kevinpurtee) 26. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Texas (Gary Boothe) 27. 04:01 PM - Re: Piets in Texas (kevinpurtee) 28. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Texas (Gary Boothe) 29. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Texas (Jim Markle) 30. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Jack) 31. 04:32 PM - Re: Piets in Texas (kevinpurtee) 32. 04:42 PM - Re: Piets in Texas (Phil Hopkins) 33. 04:58 PM - Re: Landing gear height (Gary Boothe) 34. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Jeff Boatright) 35. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Texas (John Recine) 36. 06:25 PM - Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (K5YAC) 37. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Texas (Tim Willis) 38. 06:34 PM - tires and tubes (RBush96589@aol.com) 39. 07:18 PM - Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Don Emch) 40. 07:20 PM - Re: Piets in Texas (K5YAC) 41. 07:22 PM - Piets in Texas (Oscar Zuniga) 42. 07:22 PM - Landing gear height (Oscar Zuniga) 43. 07:22 PM - Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Don Emch) 44. 07:23 PM - Re: Piets in Texas (kevinpurtee) 45. 07:42 PM - Re: Landing gear height (Jerry Dotson) 46. 07:44 PM - Re: tires and tubes (ldmill) 47. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Texas (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 48. 09:10 PM - Re: Landing gear height (Jim Boyer) 49. 09:37 PM - Re: Landing gear height (Chris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-In From: "Don Emch" Jerry, That would be left to right, Skip, Frank, Ed, Shad, Mike, Ryan (my son), and Don (me). Hope to see you at Brodhead. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304747#304747 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:58 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-In Don, Are you flyin' or drivin'? Dan do not archive On 07/14/2010 08:00 AM, Don Emch wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" > > Jerry, > > That would be left to right, Skip, Frank, Ed, Shad, Mike, Ryan (my son), and Don (me). Hope to see you at Brodhead. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304747#304747 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I From: "Don Emch" Dan, Last year when I was packing up the car to drive to the airport to fly to Brodhead, my son, Ryan, then 5 years old, went out to the car, buckled himself in and said he was not getting out. He was almost devastated that he couldn't go. At six years old now, I still don't think he's quite old enough for the very long ride in the front pit all the way to Brodhead (600 and some odd miles, I think). So, since I promised him last year that he could go with me this year, we are driving. My three daughters on the other hand opted out. They love to fly in it, but they aren't fanatics like the rest of us! Flying to Brodhead is great, taking any of my kids along with me, camping out and not being able to fly, priceless. Next year though, I might try a passenger! Don Emch NX899DE do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304763#304763 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in Texas From: Ken Chambers Hello Phil I'm slowly building a Piet in Austin and saving up for flight instruction. (Cart before horse, that's my style). So I'm interested in hearing about your experiences with the FBO in Georgetown. Didn't know that Kevin Purtee was in Georgetown now. I've got to get up there when he's around. Ken, who just started grinding 4130 for his center section. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Tim Willis wrote: > timothywillis@earthlink.net> > > Phil, > Kevin Purtee has his plane based at KGTU, in a hangar near the control > tower. This is likely NOT a good time for a visit, for he will be leaving > at the end of the week for WI. His is a good model for you, though, a > classic and well done. > I have a project in my garage a couple exits south of the airport exit-- > 4 miles by air, 11 by ground-- off Hwy. 29 west of Georgetown. I'd be happy > to show it to you. > There is a completed Piet at the Waco chapter's (EAA 59) hangar, McGregor > (belonging to Boyce Hardiman). You may whish to check out their Saturday > breakfasts and either fly up or drive to see it. > There is also a completed Piet I have never seen, belonging to Kevin > McDonald, as I recall, at Kittie Hill airport. He has begun flying it again > after a long lapse, as I understand. > Pls reply. > Tim in central TX > do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Phil Hopkins > >Sent: Jul 13, 2010 7:10 PM > >To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in Texas > > > > > >Hello all, > > > >I'm a long time fan of the Pete. I used to subscribe to the list over a > >decade ago and dreamed about building one. In the meantime, life > >intervened. But, this year, when a few Light Sports started showing up > >at the local FBOs (finally!), I took up training again and decided I > >would get my certificate this time no matter what (first flew when I was > >14, so it's been a while coming). I'm about finished (just doing the > >checkride rehearsals), and it's time to get serious about building my > >own plane and so I subscribed to the list again and have been trying to > >recover all my old research. > > > >I know there are a number of Petes in TX. One fella I knew was building > >one near Taylor a decade ago. I was flying a few weeks ago out of KGTU > >when I saw a brown one over by the pumps. I had my instructor with me, > >and she was late for her next lesson, or I'd have pulled over and chased > >the fella down and found out where he lived. I haven't seen him or it > >before or since. > > > >KGTU is my home airport. If there are any Petes in the central TX area, > >I'd love to hear from you. I know about Oscar, in SA, who is a frequent > >and helpful contributor to the list. Anyone near Austin or Killeen? > > > >Best, > > > >Phil > > > > > > > > > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:00 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I Don, I have often dreamed of putting my son up there for some long flights in the future, but I am going to have to get him some GOOD hearing protecti on.- After flying up to Barber last week (1:40) my ears were ringing for a couple hrs.- It's cool to have a "mean" sounding engine, but it has dra wbacks.- I work around airline pilots and jets all day and that constant high pitch whine is deafining, (the jets are loud too!).- I had better st art wearing ear plugs more often. - Have fun at Brodhead - Shad - Do not archive=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:10 AM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New return to the list... finally getting started on my build. Be aware thet the DAP / Weldwood resorcinol is no longer available.. DAP has ceased production of this glue after several states baned the sale.. :-( something about VOCs...and saving the planet....bla bla bla Cascophen is the last available brand of Resorcinol stateside. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/wppages/cascophen.php Michael in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller Resorcinol glue is the only "certified" adhesive, i.e. approved by the FAA for use on certified aircraft. Since you are building an experimental aircraft you are not limited to just that adhesive. ......Resorcinol or epoxies both work well and strong, beautiful Piets have been built with both. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:41 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in Texas Phil & Ken, Pls reply to me offline at the earthlink addy shown, to discuss meeting, membership in the local EAA chapter (187, Austin) and sharing info. Pls put "Piet" in your subject line, so I will notice it. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Ken Chambers Sent: Jul 14, 2010 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in Texas Hello Phil I'm slowly building a Piet in Austin and saving up for flight instruction. (Cart before horse, that's my style). So I'm interested in hearing about your experiences with the FBO in Georgetown. Didn't know that Kevin Purtee was in Georgetown now. I've got to get up there when he's around. Ken, who just started grinding 4130 for his center section. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Tim Willis wrote: Phil, Kevin Purtee has his plane based at KGTU, in a hangar near the control tower. This is likely NOT a good time for a visit, for he will be leaving at the end of the week for WI. His is a good model for you, though, a classic and well done. I have a project in my garage a couple exits south of the airport exit-- 4 miles by air, 11 by ground-- off Hwy. 29 west of Georgetown. I'd be happy to show it to you. There is a completed Piet at the Waco chapter's (EAA 59) hangar, McGregor (belonging to Boyce Hardiman). You may whish to check out their Saturday breakfasts and either fly up or drive to see it. There is also a completed Piet I have never seen, belonging to Kevin McDonald, as I recall, at Kittie Hill airport. He has begun flying it again after a long lapse, as I understand. Pls reply. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Phil Hopkins >Sent: Jul 13, 2010 7:10 PM >To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in Texas > > >Hello all, > >I'm a long time fan of the Pete. I used to subscribe to the list over a >decade ago and dreamed about building one. In the meantime, life >intervened. But, this year, when a few Light Sports started showing up >at the local FBOs (finally!), I took up training again and decided I >would get my certificate this time no matter what (first flew when I was >14, so it's been a while coming). I'm about finished (just doing the >checkride rehearsals), and it's time to get serious about building my >own plane and so I subscribed to the list again and have been trying to >recover all my old research. > >I know there are a number of Petes in TX. One fella I knew was building >one near Taylor a decade ago. I was flying a few weeks ago out of KGTU >when I saw a brown one over by the pumps. I had my instructor with me, >and she was late for her next lesson, or I'd have pulled over and chased >the fella down and found out where he lived. I haven't seen him or it >before or since. > >KGTU is my home airport. If there are any Petes in the central TX area, >I'd love to hear from you. I know about Oscar, in SA, who is a frequent >and helpful contributor to the list. Anyone near Austin or Killeen? > >Best, > >Phil ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:31 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I On 07/14/2010 11:14 AM, Don Emch wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" > > Dan, > > Last year when I was packing up the car to drive to the airport to fly to Brodhead, my son, Ryan, then 5 years old, went out to the car, buckled himself in and said he was not getting out. He was almost devastated that he couldn't go. At six years old now, I still don't think he's quite old enough for the very long ride in the front pit all the way to Brodhead (600 and some odd miles, I think). So, since I promised him last year that he could go with me this year, we are driving. My three daughters on the other hand opted out. They love to fly in it, but they aren't fanatics like the rest of us! > > Flying to Brodhead is great, taking any of my kids along with me, camping out and not being able to fly, priceless. > > Next year though, I might try a passenger! Sounds like you need a New Standard D-25. Or just move closer to the area. I get the whole deal about bringing the kids along - I'm really looking forward to the day I'll be able to take the girls in the front 'pit. Mom says a 3 year old isn't ready, yet. I say the car seat would fit in there and they can't get out of that. But, Shad is right, proper ear protection will be necessary... maybe I can duct tape the headphones on. I've used tape on them before: ask me about scotch tape and scotch at Brodhead... ;-) Dan do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:25 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I No members of my family have volunteered in any way to fly in the front pit. In fact their commitment to aviation involves my "commitment papers". My wife in the front pit would definitely involve a lot of duct tape, and in several locations... some to reduce MY need for hearing protection. I envy you guys. It must be great fun. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Yocum >Sent: Jul 14, 2010 1:29 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I > > > >On 07/14/2010 11:14 AM, Don Emch wrote: >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" >> >> Dan, >> >> Last year when I was packing up the car to drive to the airport to fly to Brodhead, my son, Ryan, then 5 years old, went out to the car, buckled himself in and said he was not getting out. He was almost devastated that he couldn't go. At six years old now, I still don't think he's quite old enough for the very long ride in the front pit all the way to Brodhead (600 and some odd miles, I think). So, since I promised him last year that he could go with me this year, we are driving. My three daughters on the other hand opted out. They love to fly in it, but they aren't fanatics like the rest of us! >> >> Flying to Brodhead is great, taking any of my kids along with me, camping out and not being able to fly, priceless. >> >> Next year though, I might try a passenger! > >Sounds like you need a New Standard D-25. Or just move closer to the >area. > >I get the whole deal about bringing the kids along - I'm really looking >forward to the day I'll be able to take the girls in the front 'pit. >Mom says a 3 year old isn't ready, yet. I say the car seat would fit in >there and they can't get out of that. But, Shad is right, proper ear >protection will be necessary... maybe I can duct tape the headphones on. > I've used tape on them before: ask me about scotch tape and scotch at >Brodhead... ;-) > >Dan > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:56 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I I'd say y'all are VERY lucky to have kids that are interested in aviation. I've had one daughter, 3 stepsons and a stepdaughter and none of them have the slightest interest in flying - even when I've told them I'd give them flying lessons for free. Now I'm working on my grandaughter who at age 5 is showing some serious interest in flying. I've promised to take her up in the Piet when she's 7 (and can see over the cockpit coaming). At least my wife likes to fly in it. She flew with my on a fairly long cross-country (5 hours) to Dulles Int'l a couple of years ago: Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I On 07/14/2010 11:14 AM, Don Emch wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" > > Dan, > > Last year when I was packing up the car to drive to the airport to fly to Brodhead, my son, Ryan, then 5 years old, went out to the car, buckled himself in and said he was not getting out. He was almost devastated that he couldn't go. At six years old now, I still don't think he's quite old enough for the very long ride in the front pit all the way to Brodhead (600 and some odd miles, I think). So, since I promised him last year that he could go with me this year, we are driving. My three daughters on the other hand opted out. They love to fly in it, but they aren't fanatics like the rest of us! > > Flying to Brodhead is great, taking any of my kids along with me, camping out and not being able to fly, priceless. > > Next year though, I might try a passenger! Sounds like you need a New Standard D-25. Or just move closer to the area. I get the whole deal about bringing the kids along - I'm really looking forward to the day I'll be able to take the girls in the front 'pit. Mom says a 3 year old isn't ready, yet. I say the car seat would fit in there and they can't get out of that. But, Shad is right, proper ear protection will be necessary... maybe I can duct tape the headphones on. I've used tape on them before: ask me about scotch tape and scotch at Brodhead... ;-) Dan do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: New guy and wood From: "bender" Hey, Jeff here in Louisville KY I've been studying the F&G manuals for years and thinking about a piet.. built a Ragwing Special biplane 10 years ago.. sold it and have been flying a 120 since then.. the 120 is for sale and i'm in the mood to build. I know there are a ton of discussions about wood and weight and strength but.. I've looked at other planes, flybaby, the Ragwings, Flitzer... etc.. and it sure seems like longerons would be plenty strong at 1"by 3/4" and 1/4' square ribs are the standard everywhere.. the built up British spars are sweet.. it sure seems like the tail heavy issues could disappear with a little lightning.. even the F&G instruction say its way over built i really have enjoyed reading the list for the last few months.. i have an extra A engine on a stand.... I'd like to hang it on some sticks jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304779#304779 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:14 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New guy and wood Good to have you on the list, Jeff! I believe you could easily go down to 7/8" square longerons (in fact I believe that BHP did this on some of his later models). As for 1" x 3/4", maybe so, but bear in mind that you've lost a good deal of stiffness, and you would only save about 46 ounces of weight, and some of that is ahead of the CG. Most of the tail heaviness comes not from the plane but from the pilot. In 1929 very few people weighed over 200 lbs. Now sadly that is the norm, rather than the exception. Hanging a tailwheel on such a long moment contributes greatly to tail-heaviness also. However, it really isn't a problem because it is so easy with this design to shift the wing aft a few inches and put the CG wherever you want.. As for going to 1/4" capstrips on the ribs, something to consider when comparing these ribs to more modern designs is that the rear spar is much further forward in the Pietenpol wing than most modern designs. Even with heavy capstrips this wing is VERY flexible in torsion. Cutting the capstrips in half will make it even more wimpy. Just something to consider. As I'm sure you've seen before on this list "Build it to the Plans, and you'll have a better airplane". Are you coming to Brodhead next week? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New guy and wood Hey, Jeff here in Louisville KY I've been studying the F&G manuals for years and thinking about a piet.. built a Ragwing Special biplane 10 years ago.. sold it and have been flying a 120 since then.. the 120 is for sale and i'm in the mood to build. I know there are a ton of discussions about wood and weight and strength but.. I've looked at other planes, flybaby, the Ragwings, Flitzer... etc.. and it sure seems like longerons would be plenty strong at 1"by 3/4" and 1/4' square ribs are the standard everywhere.. the built up British spars are sweet.. it sure seems like the tail heavy issues could disappear with a little lightning.. even the F&G instruction say its way over built i really have enjoyed reading the list for the last few months.. i have an extra A engine on a stand.... I'd like to hang it on some sticks jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304779#304779 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:12 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I Jack, Why wait until she's 7? I doubt she'd get freaked out enough to claw at the stick, throttle, or seat belts. Heck, my 3 year olds know enough not to touch the throttle, now. I know of one guy that took his 4 year old up in his L-4 with only a lap belt. He loved it. If she wants to go, and mom will give the go-ahead, take her up sooner rather than later. Dan do not archive On 07/14/2010 01:00 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > I'd say y'all are VERY lucky to have kids that are interested in > aviation. I've had one daughter, 3 stepsons and a stepdaughter and none > of them have the slightest interest in flying - even when I've told them > I'd give them flying lessons for free. > > Now I'm working on my grandaughter who at age 5 is showing some serious > interest in flying. I've promised to take her up in the Piet when she's > 7 (and can see over the cockpit coaming). > > At least my wife likes to fly in it. She flew with my on a fairly long > cross-country (5 hours) to Dulles Int'l a couple of years ago: > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:29 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last > Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I > > > On 07/14/2010 11:14 AM, Don Emch wrote: > > >> > >> Dan, > >> > >> Last year when I was packing up the car to drive to the airport to fly > to Brodhead, my son, Ryan, then 5 years old, went out to the car, > buckled himself in and said he was not getting out. He was almost > devastated that he couldn't go. At six years old now, I still don't > think he's quite old enough for the very long ride in the front pit all > the way to Brodhead (600 and some odd miles, I think). So, since I > promised him last year that he could go with me this year, we are > driving. My three daughters on the other hand opted out. They love to > fly in it, but they aren't fanatics like the rest of us! > >> > >> Flying to Brodhead is great, taking any of my kids along with me, > camping out and not being able to fly, priceless. > >> > >> Next year though, I might try a passenger! > > Sounds like you need a New Standard D-25. Or just move closer to the > > area. > > I get the whole deal about bringing the kids along - I'm really looking > > forward to the day I'll be able to take the girls in the front 'pit. > > Mom says a 3 year old isn't ready, yet. I say the car seat would fit in > > there and they can't get out of that. But, Shad is right, proper ear > > protection will be necessary... maybe I can duct tape the headphones on. > > I've used tape on them before: ask me about scotch tape and scotch at > > Brodhead... ;-) > > Dan > > do not archive > > -- > > Dan Yocum > > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:08 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I I am lucky. My kid likes to fly. She has been up with Jack Phillps in his Piet at Brodhead a couple of years back. She will be 15 next week so if she wants she can get her chance. The Cub is back in good shape and we were up a couple of times this week. She likes to take the camera along so here are a few pictures from Monday night. I am thinking of painting "IT GIRL OF THE SKIES" next to the front seat. I swear last year she was just 5. Time files. It is amazing how fast they grow. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > I'd say y'all are VERY lucky to have kids that are interested in aviation. I've had one daughter, 3 stepsons and a stepdaughter and none of them have the slightest interest in flying - even when I've told them I'd give them flying lessons for free. > > Now I'm working on my grandaughter who at age 5 is showing some serious interest in flying. I've promised to take her up in the Piet when she's 7 (and can see over the cockpit coaming). > > At least my wife likes to fly in it. She flew with my on a fairly long cross-country (5 hours) to Dulles Int'l a couple of years ago: > > > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:29 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I > > > > > On 07/14/2010 11:14 AM, Don Emch wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" > > > > Dan, > > > > Last year when I was packing up the car to drive to the airport to fly to Brodhead, my son, Ryan, then 5 years old, went out to the car, buckled himself in and said he was not getting out. He was almost devastated that he couldn't go. At six years old now, I still don't think he's quite old enough for the very long ride in the front pit all the way to Brodhead (600 and some odd miles, I think). So, since I promised him last year that he could go with me this year, we are driving. My three daughters on the other hand opted out. They love to fly in it, but they aren't fanatics like the rest of us! > > > > Flying to Brodhead is great, taking any of my kids along with me, camping out and not being able to fly, priceless. > > > > Next year though, I might try a passenger! > > Sounds like you need a New Standard D-25. Or just move closer to the > area. > > I get the whole deal about bringing the kids along - I'm really looking > forward to the day I'll be able to take the girls in the front 'pit. > Mom says a 3 year old isn't ready, yet. I say the car seat would fit in > there and they can't get out of that. But, Shad is right, proper ear > protection will be necessary... maybe I can duct tape the headphones on. > I've used tape on them before: ask me about scotch tape and scotch at > Brodhead... ;-) > > Dan > > do not archive > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:13 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I There you put your finger on it -"...and mom will give the go-ahead". Her mom is the step-daughter that has no interest in flying. I'm hoping to get her up in a Cherokee after Brodhead WITH her mom. Then we'll see about the Pietenpol. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I Jack, Why wait until she's 7? I doubt she'd get freaked out enough to claw at the stick, throttle, or seat belts. Heck, my 3 year olds know enough not to touch the throttle, now. I know of one guy that took his 4 year old up in his L-4 with only a lap belt. He loved it. If she wants to go, and mom will give the go-ahead, take her up sooner rather than later. Dan do not archive On 07/14/2010 01:00 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > I'd say y'all are VERY lucky to have kids that are interested in > aviation. I've had one daughter, 3 stepsons and a stepdaughter and none > of them have the slightest interest in flying - even when I've told them > I'd give them flying lessons for free. > > Now I'm working on my grandaughter who at age 5 is showing some serious > interest in flying. I've promised to take her up in the Piet when she's > 7 (and can see over the cockpit coaming). > > At least my wife likes to fly in it. She flew with my on a fairly long > cross-country (5 hours) to Dulles Int'l a couple of years ago: > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:29 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last > Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I > > > On 07/14/2010 11:14 AM, Don Emch wrote: > > >> > >> Dan, > >> > >> Last year when I was packing up the car to drive to the airport to fly > to Brodhead, my son, Ryan, then 5 years old, went out to the car, > buckled himself in and said he was not getting out. He was almost > devastated that he couldn't go. At six years old now, I still don't > think he's quite old enough for the very long ride in the front pit all > the way to Brodhead (600 and some odd miles, I think). So, since I > promised him last year that he could go with me this year, we are > driving. My three daughters on the other hand opted out. They love to > fly in it, but they aren't fanatics like the rest of us! > >> > >> Flying to Brodhead is great, taking any of my kids along with me, > camping out and not being able to fly, priceless. > >> > >> Next year though, I might try a passenger! > > Sounds like you need a New Standard D-25. Or just move closer to the > > area. > > I get the whole deal about bringing the kids along - I'm really looking > > forward to the day I'll be able to take the girls in the front 'pit. > > Mom says a 3 year old isn't ready, yet. I say the car seat would fit in > > there and they can't get out of that. But, Shad is right, proper ear > > protection will be necessary... maybe I can duct tape the headphones on. > > I've used tape on them before: ask me about scotch tape and scotch at > > Brodhead... ;-) > > Dan > > do not archive > > -- > > Dan Yocum > > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:06 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I Tim, I have the solution to your problem. Take your wife to a fly-in with Kevin or another Piet owner and have them give her a nice ride. It'll do wonders to her attitude on the airplane. It worked great on my wife. Dan do not archive On 07/14/2010 12:50 PM, Tim Willis wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis > > No members of my family have volunteered in any way to fly in the front pit. In fact their commitment to aviation involves my "commitment papers". > My wife in the front pit would definitely involve a lot of duct tape, and in several locations... some to reduce MY need for hearing protection. > I envy you guys. It must be great fun. > Tim in central TX > do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Yocum >> Sent: Jul 14, 2010 1:29 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I >> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum >> >> >> >> On 07/14/2010 11:14 AM, Don Emch wrote: >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" >>> >>> Dan, >>> >>> Last year when I was packing up the car to drive to the airport to fly to Brodhead, my son, Ryan, then 5 years old, went out to the car, buckled himself in and said he was not getting out. He was almost devastated that he couldn't go. At six years old now, I still don't think he's quite old enough for the very long ride in the front pit all the way to Brodhead (600 and some odd miles, I think). So, since I promised him last year that he could go with me this year, we are driving. My three daughters on the other hand opted out. They love to fly in it, but they aren't fanatics like the rest of us! >>> >>> Flying to Brodhead is great, taking any of my kids along with me, camping out and not being able to fly, priceless. >>> >>> Next year though, I might try a passenger! >> >> Sounds like you need a New Standard D-25. Or just move closer to the >> area. >> >> I get the whole deal about bringing the kids along - I'm really looking >> forward to the day I'll be able to take the girls in the front 'pit. >> Mom says a 3 year old isn't ready, yet. I say the car seat would fit in >> there and they can't get out of that. But, Shad is right, proper ear >> protection will be necessary... maybe I can duct tape the headphones on. >> I've used tape on them before: ask me about scotch tape and scotch at >> Brodhead... ;-) >> >> Dan >> > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:24 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I Good to see that, John. Rachel looks like a young woman now, not the kid I took up 2 years ago. I'll never forget the grin she had then. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I I am lucky. My kid likes to fly. She has been up with Jack Phillps in his Piet at Brodhead a couple of years back. She will be 15 next week so if she wants she can get her chance. The Cub is back in good shape and we were up a couple of times this week. She likes to take the camera along so here are a few pictures from Monday night. I am thinking of painting "IT GIRL OF THE SKIES" next to the front seat. I swear last year she was just 5. Time files. It is amazing how fast they grow. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:21 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New guy and wood If only we homebuilders worried more about our own weight, we would not hav e to come up with as many "ingenious" ways to save ounces here and there on our airplanes.- I am guilty as the next, and probably need to loose 15 l bs to even fit in my Jungster.- - Shad - do not archive=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I From: "kevinpurtee" Man, what a great group of photos and a bunch of neat posts! I'm personally fortunate in that The Girl (now actually, "The Wife") is an enthusiastic participant. My 12 year old step-son could not care less. Oddly, the ex-husband/father-of-my-step-son loves the plane and we have lots of fun messing with it. He's flown with me quite a bit. Don - Completely understand about kids and driving. However, I was SOOOO looking forward to photographing the planes together. All good, though. We'll do it next year. I'm officially requesting a photo of you and me in front of mine for this year, at least. Tim - I would be honored to take Mrs. Willis flying. Brodhead: I haven't been this excited about anything since I was 8 years old waiting for Xmas. do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304797#304797 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:08 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Gary would you measure your Piet height to the top of the longeron in Pilots cockpit with the tail blocked up so longerons are level? The 51 inch measurement everyone is mentioning doesn't relate to mine at all. Sitting in the three point position, the top of longeron at front of the front cockpit is only 49 inches and the top of rear longeron at the back of the rear cockpit is only 41 inches high. thanks Gary, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:05:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). I did ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:58 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Sure. I=99ll measure it tonight, but I checked it the other day and it looks closer to 54=9D!! I=99m thinking I need nose art, picturing a scantily clad beauty with long legs. The would be =9CTall Girl.=9D Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Gary would you measure your Piet height to the top of the longeron in Pilots cockpit with the tail blocked up so longerons are level? The 51 inch measurement everyone is mentioning doesn't relate to mine at all. Sitting in the three point position, the top of longeron at front of the front cockpit is only 49 inches and the top of rear longeron at the back of the rear cockpit is only 41 inches high. thanks Gary, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:05:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). I did ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:52 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I Nope ..way too pretty to be related to you. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I I am lucky. My kid likes to fly. She has been up with Jack Phillps in his Piet at Brodhead a couple of years back. She will be 15 next week so if she wants she can get her chance. The Cub is back in good shape and we were up a couple of times this week. She likes to take the camera along so here are a few pictures from Monday night. I am thinking of painting "IT GIRL OF THE SKIES" next to the front seat. I swear last year she was just 5. Time files. It is amazing how fast they grow. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:56 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets in Texas Phil, Ken, Kevin, Sounds like all you guys are close enough to hit with a scud! Looks like I'll be traveling, for work, to the Austin area sometime in August. In the true fashion of Jim Markle, I would love to meet with you guys.maybe all in one place? Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in Texas Hello Phil I'm slowly building a Piet in Austin and saving up for flight instruction. (Cart before horse, that's my style). So I'm interested in hearing about your experiences with the FBO in Georgetown. Didn't know that Kevin Purtee was in Georgetown now. I've got to get up there when he's around. Ken, who just started grinding 4130 for his center section. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Tim Willis wrote: Phil, Kevin Purtee has his plane based at KGTU, in a hangar near the control tower. This is likely NOT a good time for a visit, for he will be leaving at the end of the week for WI. His is a good model for you, though, a classic and well done. I have a project in my garage a couple exits south of the airport exit-- 4 miles by air, 11 by ground-- off Hwy. 29 west of Georgetown. I'd be happy to show it to you. There is a completed Piet at the Waco chapter's (EAA 59) hangar, McGregor (belonging to Boyce Hardiman). You may whish to check out their Saturday breakfasts and either fly up or drive to see it. There is also a completed Piet I have never seen, belonging to Kevin McDonald, as I recall, at Kittie Hill airport. He has begun flying it again after a long lapse, as I understand. Pls reply. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Phil Hopkins >Sent: Jul 13, 2010 7:10 PM >To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in Texas > > >Hello all, > >I'm a long time fan of the Pete. I used to subscribe to the list over a >decade ago and dreamed about building one. In the meantime, life >intervened. But, this year, when a few Light Sports started showing up >at the local FBOs (finally!), I took up training again and decided I >would get my certificate this time no matter what (first flew when I was >14, so it's been a while coming). I'm about finished (just doing the >checkride rehearsals), and it's time to get serious about building my >own plane and so I subscribed to the list again and have been trying to >recover all my old research. > >I know there are a number of Petes in TX. One fella I knew was building >one near Taylor a decade ago. I was flying a few weeks ago out of KGTU >when I saw a brown one over by the pumps. I had my instructor with me, >and she was late for her next lesson, or I'd have pulled over and chased >the fella down and found out where he lived. I haven't seen him or it >before or since. > >KGTU is my home airport. If there are any Petes in the central TX area, >I'd love to hear from you. I know about Oscar, in SA, who is a frequent >and helpful contributor to the list. Anyone near Austin or Killeen? > >Best, > >Phil > > ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:18 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height or you could call her nose art "Legs". I am going to measure again tonight but mine is short at just under 49 inch es to top of longeron when level. Jim PS and I still need a step to get in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:52:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Sure. I=99ll measure it tonight, but I checked it the other day and i t looks closer to 54=9D!! I=99m thinking I need nose art, pictu ring a scantily clad beauty with long legs. The would be =9CTall Girl .=9D Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Gary would you measure your Piet height to the top of the longeron in Pilot s cockpit with the tail blocked up so longerons are level? The 51 inch measurement everyone is mentioning doesn't relate to mine at al l. Sitting in the three point position, the top of longeron at front of the front cockpit is only 49 inches and the top of rear longeron at the back o f the rear cockpit is only 41 inches high. thanks Gary, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:05:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels ) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). I did =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://foru ====== == ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas From: "kevinpurtee" Gary - I'm here for you, man. Should be in town for all of August except for the 28th. Tim Willis' project is ~15 minutes from my plane. Not sure where Ken's project is but I'm sure we can figure it out. Phil doesn't have a project yet so he's mobile. Post the dates and we'll make it happen. -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304808#304808 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:24 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas Thanks, Kevin. I'll nail down the dates. You will recognize me as I'll be wearing a long trench coat...a trick I learned from The Master. You can fit all sorts of cool stuff in there; impact wrenches, loose bungee material, turnbuckles... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas Gary - I'm here for you, man. Should be in town for all of August except for the 28th. Tim Willis' project is ~15 minutes from my plane. Not sure where Ken's project is but I'm sure we can figure it out. Phil doesn't have a project yet so he's mobile. Post the dates and we'll make it happen. -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304808#304808 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas From: "kevinpurtee" Tim doesn't mind... do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304812#304812 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:05 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas I'll be thinking of you next week! Unfortunately, I have a family reunion followed by 4 days in Dallas, and will miss Brodhead altogether; but will be looking forward to hear about your trip... Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas Tim doesn't mind... do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304812#304812 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:49 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas And air compressors......and routers.... :-) -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Boothe >Sent: Jul 14, 2010 3:56 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas > > >Thanks, Kevin. I'll nail down the dates. You will recognize me as I'll be >wearing a long trench coat...a trick I learned from The Master. You can fit >all sorts of cool stuff in there; impact wrenches, loose bungee material, >turnbuckles... > >Gary Boothe >Cool, CA >Pietenpol >WW Corvair Conversion >Tail done, Fuselage on gear >20 ribs done >Do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee >Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 3:42 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas > > > >Gary - I'm here for you, man. Should be in town for all of August except >for the 28th. Tim Willis' project is ~15 minutes from my plane. Not sure >where Ken's project is but I'm sure we can figure it out. Phil doesn't have >a project yet so he's mobile. Post the dates and we'll make it happen. > >-------- >Kevin Purtee >NX899KP >Austin/Georgetown, TX > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304808#304808 > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:32 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I Holy cow John, she has eyelashes, hang on man! Look forward to seeing you next week! Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I I am lucky. My kid likes to fly. She has been up with Jack Phillps in his Piet at Brodhead a couple of years back. She will be 15 next week so if she wants she can get her chance. The Cub is back in good shape and we were up a couple of times this week. She likes to take the camera along so here are a few pictures from Monday night. I am thinking of painting "IT GIRL OF THE SKIES" next to the front seat. I swear last year she was just 5. Time files. It is amazing how fast they grow. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas From: "kevinpurtee" I'll obviously need to search you people after you've been in my hangar! do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304817#304817 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:41 PM PST US From: Phil Hopkins Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas I need to figure out how to take this thing off digest so I can reply better. Less, I can't make Brodhead this year. Too many commitments this summer, and I just got back from family vacation. I really would like to go! I've watched videos and thought about it lots. It looks like I'll have to start planning the trip for next summer now. |If not we'll just sit around consuming adult beverages, tellin lies, scratchin, lookin at Piets, hoppin rides and |trash talkin bot ya in your absence.* *Sorry to put you to those extremes, but, somehow, I suspect that much of this behavior, except for perhaps the last part, might have just gone on anyway! Tim, I'd love to come see your project sometime! I work in Georgetown. I got in touch with Kevin already. Might be able to see his Saturday before he leaves, but if not, when he gets back. What an adventure he's heading out on! All the way from here to Brodhead! I wonder if Kevin's Pete is the one I looked at a looooonnnngggg time ago out at Kittie Hill. It was about a decade ago, at least. I don't remember if he was selling it, but I think the one I saw out there was sort of for sale. Wrong time for me, but I sure thought hard about that at the time! I know Kenny Grisham, a bit, up at McGregor. I've been thinking about doing tailwheel training with him. Looks like a trip up there is the thing to do now for sure. What a wealth of Piets in the area! I'll send you a message privately as well. Ken, I'd be happy to share my experiences here. Matt, who wrote me after I posted, also on the list, is in Austin too, and flies out of HYI, and might be a good person to check with on training as well. Gary, I'd be pleased to arrange a meet up when you're in the area in August. Sounds like there's lots of support and resources close to hand. Thanks all. Phil do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:53 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height OK, Jimlifted the tail and the measurement is 53 =C2=BD=9D! I got there by starting with a 13deg deck angle. Don=99t blame meChris Tracy told me to do it Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Gary would you measure your Piet height to the top of the longeron in Pilots cockpit with the tail blocked up so longerons are level? The 51 inch measurement everyone is mentioning doesn't relate to mine at all. Sitting in the three point position, the top of longeron at front of the front cockpit is only 49 inches and the top of rear longeron at the back of the rear cockpit is only 41 inches high. thanks Gary, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:05:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). I did ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:13 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I John, The shot of the confident, frank look on her face in the foreground with Dad's cautious, protective look on his face in the back ground, in the Cub, with the light from the setting sun illuminating both faces, is surely an EAA award-winner. Jeff -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas From: "John Recine" Kevin I guess no one told you its a ritual of passage and great honor. That upon visitation by another Piet builders it is customary and in good form for the visitor to leave with some tools belonging to the host. This is done in celebration of the new builders work being of a quality and appearance of the highest standard that the builder and his handy work are awarded the high honor of the tool. The degree of workmanship is awarded by the size type or value of the tool taken. Great work equals great tool and great honor bestowed. Small tool little honor not to be confused by drill bits which are to be left and openly available like mints at a restaurant. Drill bits really have no award value and are taken to show the spirit of builderly love is all. Typically these rules are never published or spoken they just are practiced and respected. Through dispensation and special permission by Dan keeper of the papers protected by the ritual of saint pitheious e cranibus who has said a believer and follower is identified by the gear that appear to adorn the dome of the faithful. Be that as it may these instructions of the tool shall not be uttered among those found unworthy and as such Do not archive Respectfully submitted Less Yawanna ------Original Message------ From: kevinpurtee Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas Sent: Jul 14, 2010 7:31 PM I'll obviously need to search you people after you've been in my hangar! do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304817#304817 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I From: "K5YAC" Hey Don... Tyler (my son) sure does remember you, and the ride you gave him last year. He and Ryan ought to keep each other entertained. It will be great for him to have someone his age to pal around with this year. Looking forward to seeing all of you next week! -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304827#304827 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:16 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas Wow, I was out this afternoon, and did I miss a lot-- the agenda, the brotherhood, the secret handshake, and especially the sticky fingers. Oscar never told me about any of this. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: John Recine >Sent: Jul 14, 2010 8:18 PM >To: Pietenpol builders Board >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas > > >Kevin > >I guess no one told you its a ritual of passage and great honor. That upon visitation by another Piet builders it is customary and in good form for the visitor to leave with some tools belonging to the host. This is done in celebration of the new builders work being of a quality and appearance of the highest standard that the builder and his handy work are awarded the high honor of the tool. > >The degree of workmanship is awarded by the size type or value of the tool taken. Great work equals great tool and great honor bestowed. Small tool little honor not to be confused by drill bits which are to be left and openly available like mints at a restaurant. Drill bits really have no award value and are taken to show the spirit of builderly love is all. > >Typically these rules are never published or spoken they just are practiced and respected. > >Through dispensation and special permission by Dan keeper of the papers protected by the ritual of saint pitheious e cranibus who has said a believer and follower is identified by the gear that appear to adorn the dome of the faithful. > >Be that as it may these instructions of the tool shall not be uttered among those found unworthy and as such >Do not archive > >Respectfully submitted > >Less Yawanna >------Original Message------ >From: kevinpurtee >Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >To: Pietenpol builders Board >ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas >Sent: Jul 14, 2010 7:31 PM > > >I'll obviously need to search you people after you've been in my hangar! > >do not archive > >-------- >Kevin Purtee >NX899KP >Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:55 PM PST US From: RBush96589@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: tires and tubes hello all, I am in the process of changing out my 5.00--5 tires to 6.00-6 I ordered the new tires and tubes from spruce and got them today. the problem is the wheels I have need to have a 90 degree valve stem and the tubes they sent are straight stems.I was wondering if I could get by using the tubes out of my 5 inch tires if I can get them on the wheel. I wanted to get this done before the trip to brodhead with Jack. and if I have to wait to get the right ones ordered I might not have time to do it.or does any body know if there is a substitute tube that can be gotten locally Thanks, Randy Bush NX294RB ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I From: "Don Emch" Mark, Ryan will love it! Don do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304833#304833 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas From: "K5YAC" dfwplt wrote: > And air compressors......and routers.... > > :-) > > > -- Yeah, you have accumulated a bunch of routers, but I've been keeping my eyes peeled for that CA air compressor. The great thing about going to Jim's place is... he don't make ya conceal nothing. Just walk right out the front door with it. Hard drives, DVDs, routers. I promise... I'll bring it back soon. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304834#304834 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:29 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in Texas There may be an opportunity here for anyone down this way to see a few Piets. I'm talking about "Reklaw"... the fly-in at Flying M Ranch, Oct. 22-24, out in east Texas between Tyler and Nacogdoches: http://www.reklawflyin.com/ We do things funny-like in Texas, so "Reklaw" is "Walker" spelled backwards. Don't ask me why. I'm thinking of flying 41CC out there this year, and it's within striking distance of a half-dozen other Piets and GN-1s in the TX-OK-LA area. Grass strip, down-home atmosphere, who could ask for more? There are two Piets down by Rockport/Corpus Christi, a couple more here in central Texas, and a couple more in NE Texas or its suburbs (Oklahoma ;o)- it might make a nice assembly of Air Campers. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:53 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Jerry wrote- >Thanks all for the replies. I will make it 51". >Guess I will make a handicap stool so I can get in! Jerry, please note the previous replies. That height to the top of the top longeron is with the fuselage LEVEL, in the cruise flight position. When the airplane is on the ground in the 3-point attitude, the cockpit is MUCH lower than this and it is very easy to step right into the cockpit if you have a fuselage step and grab handles, or a routine where you grab the cabanes to lift yourself in. There is absolutely no need for stools, steps, or other assistance to get into the cockpit when the airplane is sitting on the ground. I am 5'-9", don't have long legs, and have no problem stepping up into the cockpit with the little side peg that Corky built into the side of the cockpit on 41CC down at the lower longeron, but it can also be done without that. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I From: "Don Emch" Kevin, I'm looking forward to meeting you and your airplane! Don do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304835#304835 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas From: "kevinpurtee" hmmm...perhaps I can go through the rites of passage and be be blessed with the honors of the brotherhood with TIM'S tools... That was really funny, John. I'm not smart enough to do it justice with an equally clever reply. Really liked the "bits as mints" part:). do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304836#304836 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear height From: "Jerry Dotson" Thanks Oscar. That is what I needed to know. I blocked my fuselage up with the tailwheel on the floor and I could get in with help from cabanes or the wing cutout handle.(have not actually climbed in as my wing is still on the workbench) do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304839#304839 ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tires and tubes From: "ldmill" Randy, I went through the exact same thing about a month ago with my newly purchased GN-1. After a week of research, the only tube under $100 that I could find was from Wicks: TUBE 15-600X6 90 VLV Part Number: TB100-7090 (6" WHEEL) (TB100-7090) Retail Price: $8.11 It's not a 6 ply tube, but a 4 ply. Everybody I talked to said this is just fine for our application. I got a dissertation from the local EAA chapter president on tube technology - and how aircraft certified tubes haven't really kept up with the current technology due to cost of recertification (they still leak due to older compounds). The above tube from Wicks is actually for a lawn tractor. I was skeptical about it, till I realized that it is what was on before (that I accidentally cut to pieces while changing the tire). No problems on the previous one that was multiple years old -and I've got a solid month of beginners landings on the new one with no problem. -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304840#304840 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:54 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas Kevin, Call me at 580-484-1024 Steve Dortch ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinpurtee Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Texas > > hmmm...perhaps I can go through the rites of passage and be be blessed with the honors of the brotherhood with TIM'S tools... > > That was really funny, John. I'm not smart enough to do it justice with an equally clever reply. Really liked the "bits as mints" part:). > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304836#304836 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:32 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Wow, yours is 3 3/8" inches highes than mine. Due to your big wheels and my small 6x6:00 probably. I'll have to figure out the deck angle now and hope its not too flat. Might have to make a really skid like tailwheel or do ju st wheel landings; which I like anyway. Jim Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:56:23 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height OK, Jimlifted the tail and the measurement is 53 =C2=BD=9D! =C2- I got there by starting with a 13deg deck angle. Don=99t blame meChris Tracy told me to do it Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Gary would you measure your Piet height to the top of the longeron in Pilot s cockpit with the tail blocked up so longerons are level? The 51 inch measurement everyone is mentioning doesn't relate to mine at al l. Sitting in the three point position, the top of longeron at front of the front cockpit is only 49 inches and the top of rear longeron at the back o f the rear cockpit is only 41 inches high. thanks Gary, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:05:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels ) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). I did =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://foru ====== == ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:27 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height What? How did I get dragged into this? Anyway seeing as I am wasting time on the computer and not building, I guess I should chime in here. The attached word document is how I came up with the deck angle of 13 degrees. My deck angle turned out to be 12 (with the anticipated sag of the bungee cords). Also, my plane sits very high with the tall wheels. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height OK, Jim=85lifted the tail and the measurement is 53 =BD=94! I got there by starting with a 13deg deck angle. Don=92t blame me=85Chris Tracy told me to do it=85 Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Gary would you measure your Piet height to the top of the longeron in Pilots cockpit with the tail blocked up so longerons are level? The 51 inch measurement everyone is mentioning doesn't relate to mine at all. Sitting in the three point position, the top of longeron at front of the front cockpit is only 49 inches and the top of rear longeron at the back of the rear cockpit is only 41 inches high. thanks Gary, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:05:41 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing gear height Jerry, I'll measure tomorrow, but my method (also with 21" Harley Sportster wheels) was to set the upper longeron angle at 13 deg, and establish the length of the landing gear struts from there (tailwheel needs to be installed). 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