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1. 12:44 AM - Re: corvair (airlion)
2. 04:40 AM - Updated wx forecast for Brodhead; Jack, Randy, et.al, winds will be in your favor (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 06:58 AM - Re: corvair (Dan Yocum)
4. 08:58 AM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (TOPGUN)
5. 09:06 AM - Gardiner's Piet (Gary Boothe)
6. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft Fly-I (Jack Phillips)
7. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Directory (Dan Yocum)
8. 12:47 PM - Re: corvair (Jeff Boatright)
9. 03:36 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (TOPGUN)
10. 03:52 PM - control horn mounting (Steve Singleton)
11. 04:41 PM - short fuse and A-65/Corvair (Phil Hopkins)
12. 04:41 PM - short fuse and A-65/Corvair (Phil Hopkins)
13. 05:00 PM - Re: short fuse and A-65/Corvair (Pietn38b@aol.com)
14. 05:16 PM - Re: short fuse and A-65/Corvair (Jack Phillips)
15. 05:36 PM - Construction has begun! (CJ Borsuk)
16. 05:58 PM - Re: Construction has begun! (Jack Phillips)
17. 06:37 PM - Re: control horn mounting (Chris)
18. 08:12 PM - Re: Construction has begun! (greg menoche)
19. 08:42 PM - Re: Construction has begun! (j_dunavin)
20. 08:59 PM - Re: Construction has begun! (Jim Markle)
21. 09:00 PM - Re: control horn mounting (Steve Singleton)
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I will bring some pictures to Brodhead Ryan. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 1:27:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
Congrats on getting the Piet back in the air! Any details on how you
reworked our cowling/baffling?
Ryan Mueller
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2010, at 12:03 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Pieters, I have my engine back on my plane and today I flew it for an hour.
> It flies great and all temps are normal. William did a great job with 3 new
> pistons and reworking the rt .hand cylinder head. Also he tweaked the timing
.
> He will have to explain that at Brodhead. Don't forget to ask him. I'll see
you
> guys at brodhead. I am flying up in my Cessna 140 as I have only 20 hours on
>the
> Piet. Gardiner Mason
>
>
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| Subject: | Updated wx forecast for Brodhead; Jack, Randy, et.al, |
winds will be in your favor
Wednesday
Partly cloudy
HI
90=C2=B0
LO
72=C2=B0
Quite warm and humid. Thunderstorms possible early, but more likely as con
vective clouds build during the afternoon. South to southeast winds.
Thursday
Mostly clear
HI
95=C2=B0
LO
75=C2=B0
T-storms possible very early, otherwise mostly sunny, breezy, hot and humi
d. Heat indices exceed 100 degrees. South to southwest winds.
Friday
Partly cloudy
HI
95=C2=B0
LO
77=C2=B0
Partly cloudy, gusty southwest winds, hot and humid. A slight chance of t-
storms, but mostly rain-free. Heat indices again exceed 100 degrees
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Gardiner,
Excellent news! Look forward to seeing you at Brodhead.
Dan
do not archive
On 07/17/2010 02:03 PM, airlion wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion<airlion@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hi Pieters, I have my engine back on my plane and today I flew it for an hour.
> It flies great and all temps are normal. William did a great job with 3 new
> pistons and reworking the rt .hand cylinder head. Also he tweaked the timing
.
> He will have to explain that at Brodhead. Don't forget to ask him. I'll see you
> guys at brodhead. I am flying up in my Cessna 140 as I have only 20 hours on
the
> Piet. Gardiner Mason
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
short fuse done
left wing done
right wing 80%
empenage done
center section done
alum fuel tank mostly done, working on custom gage.
mitsubishi 4g54 engine ready to assemble
engine mount done
jenny gear with custom spoked wheels
atv disc brakes
I am planning on bringing my engine to brodhead on friday just to show and tell
if anyone is interested in looking at another alternative.
Chris rusch
two rivers
Wisconsin
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305306#305306
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Gardiner,
Congratulations on getting your Corvair-powered Piet back in the air! I
won't make Brodhead this year, and will miss seeing your photos, but look
forward to more flight reports...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's Taylorcraft |
Fly-I
Driving? When you have a perfectly good Travel Air?
Looking forward to seeing you in Brodhead , my friend.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 5:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's
Taylorcraft Fly-I
Don:
Boy can I relate to your story!! My little boy just turned six too, and he
loves to fly! On July 4th, his only request was to go flying in our Travel
Air. Never done a long trip with him yet, though. He wanted to come to
Brodhead last year, but I did not think he would be entertained enough. He
did come to Oshkosh. This year, I still do not think he is quite old enough
to appreciate Brodhead. Again, he is coming to Oshkosh. Next year, though,
our Pietenpol should be flying and I will probably be hard pressed to leave
him behind . . . nor do I plan to!
Gene Rambo
driving to Brodhead on Wednesday!
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Six Pietenpols show up at last Saturday's
Taylorcraft Fly-I
> From: EmchAir@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:14:51 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Dan,
>
> Last year when I was packing up the car to drive to the airport to fly to
Brodhead, my son, Ryan, then 5 years old, went out to the car, buckled
himself in and said he was not getting out. He was almost devastated that he
couldn't go. At six years old now, I still don't think he's quite old enough
for the very long ride in the front pit all the way to Brodhead (600 and
some odd miles, I think). So, since I promised him last year that he could
go with me this year, we are driving. My three daughters on the other hand
opted out. They love to fly in it, but they aren't fanatics like the rest of
us!
>
> Flying to Brodhead is great, taking any of my kids along with me, camping
out and not being able to fly, priceless.
>
> Next year though, I might try a passenger!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304763#304763
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>====================
> _=========
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Hi Chris,
Long time, no see. Am I remembering correctly that is an engine you
pulled out of a forklift and it runs on diesel? See you Friday!
Dan
On 07/18/2010 10:57 AM, TOPGUN wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TOPGUN"<rmdinfo@lakefield.net>
>
> short fuse done
> left wing done
> right wing 80%
> empenage done
> center section done
> alum fuel tank mostly done, working on custom gage.
> mitsubishi 4g54 engine ready to assemble
> engine mount done
> jenny gear with custom spoked wheels
> atv disc brakes
>
> I am planning on bringing my engine to brodhead on friday just to show and tell
if anyone is interested in looking at another alternative.
>
> Chris rusch
> two rivers
> Wisconsin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305306#305306
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Great news, Gardiner!
>
>Hi Pieters, I have my engine back on my plane and today I flew it for an hour.
>It flies great and all temps are normal. William did a great job with 3 new
>pistons and reworking the rt .hand cylinder head. Also he tweaked the timing .
>He will have to explain that at Brodhead. Don't forget to ask him.
>I'll see you
>guys at brodhead. I am flying up in my Cessna 140 as I have only 20
>hours on the
>Piet. Gardiner Mason
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Hi Dan,
Yes its from a forklift, but it runs on gas. When i ran it the first time, i used
100ll
yocum137 wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Long time, no see. Am I remembering correctly that is an engine you
> pulled out of a forklift and it runs on diesel? See you Friday!
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 07/18/2010 10:57 AM, TOPGUN wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > short fuse done
> > left wing done
> > right wing 80%
> > empenage done
> > center section done
> > alum fuel tank mostly done, working on custom gage.
> > mitsubishi 4g54 engine ready to assemble
> > engine mount done
> > jenny gear with custom spoked wheels
> > atv disc brakes
> >
> > I am planning on bringing my engine to brodhead on friday just to show and
tell if anyone is interested in looking at another alternative.
> >
> > Chris rusch
> > two rivers
> > Wisconsin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305306#305306
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305361#305361
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| Subject: | control horn mounting |
Can i ask a silly question. Do i just use plywood plates under the
Tail control horn tabs to center them up on the main beams or am makeing
this more complicated than it really is. Steve
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| Subject: | short fuse and A-65/Corvair |
Hello all,
Sorry to ask this question now while so many are busy packing or already
on their way to Brodhead, but I thought I'd throw it out there, anyway,
and don't have to be in a hurry for answers.
I've done some research, but would appreciate hearing what the hoary
heads on the list think as well.
I have the chance at a Piet project, but it's a short fuselage (already
built). I'm REALLY set on either an A-65 or a Corvair engine. I
understand that this might be an okay pairing, given the tail heaviness
of the design. I'm about 180-185 and will be flying passengers smaller
than me at all times, I'm pretty sure. Would a short fuselage work fine
in this scenario? Would it be better, if I'm set on those engines, to
build a longer fuselage myself?
Thanks for any help.
Phil
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| Subject: | short fuse and A-65/Corvair |
Hello all,
Sorry to ask this question now while so many are busy packing or already
on their way to Brodhead, but I thought I'd throw it out there, anyway,
and don't have to be in a hurry for answers.
I've done some research, but would appreciate hearing what the hoary
heads on the list think as well.
I have the chance at a Piet project, but it's a short fuselage (already
built). I'm REALLY set on either an A-65 or a Corvair engine. I
understand that this might be an okay pairing, given the tail heaviness
of the design. I'm about 180-185 and will be flying passengers smaller
than me at all times, I'm pretty sure. Would a short fuselage work fine
in this scenario? Would it be better, if I'm set on those engines, to
build a longer fuselage myself?
Thanks for any help.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: short fuse and A-65/Corvair |
Phil
My Piet is a short fuselage with a corvair. I am 200+ and have had a 200+
passenger. The ROC was not great but ok. My wing sets about four inches
aft of vertical on the cabanes.
Jim Ballew
_pietn38b@aol.com_ (mailto:pietn38b@aol.com)
In a message dated 7/18/2010 6:41:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
hopkinsp2@gmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Phil Hopkins <hopkinsp2@gmail.com>
Hello all,
Sorry to ask this question now while so many are busy packing or already
on their way to Brodhead, but I thought I'd throw it out there, anyway,
and don't have to be in a hurry for answers.
I've done some research, but would appreciate hearing what the hoary
heads on the list think as well.
I have the chance at a Piet project, but it's a short fuselage (already
built). I'm REALLY set on either an A-65 or a Corvair engine. I
understand that this might be an okay pairing, given the tail heaviness
of the design. I'm about 180-185 and will be flying passengers smaller
than me at all times, I'm pretty sure. Would a short fuselage work fine
in this scenario? Would it be better, if I'm set on those engines, to
build a longer fuselage myself?
Thanks for any help.
Phil
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| Subject: | short fuse and A-65/Corvair |
Phil,
Mike Cuy's Lindy-winning Pietenpol has a short fuselage and an A-65
Continental and flies very well indeed. I'm 200 lbs and have flown Mike's
plane (as well as my own A65 powered long fuselage Pietenpol). In some
respects I think the short fuse is better (it's lighter). I'd say go for
it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Hopkins
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: short fuse and A-65/Corvair
Hello all,
Sorry to ask this question now while so many are busy packing or already
on their way to Brodhead, but I thought I'd throw it out there, anyway,
and don't have to be in a hurry for answers.
I've done some research, but would appreciate hearing what the hoary
heads on the list think as well.
I have the chance at a Piet project, but it's a short fuselage (already
built). I'm REALLY set on either an A-65 or a Corvair engine. I
understand that this might be an okay pairing, given the tail heaviness
of the design. I'm about 180-185 and will be flying passengers smaller
than me at all times, I'm pretty sure. Would a short fuselage work fine
in this scenario? Would it be better, if I'm set on those engines, to
build a longer fuselage myself?
Thanks for any help.
Phil
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| Subject: | Construction has begun! |
Hey Guys,=0A=C2-=0AI hope everyone going to Brodhead and Oshkosh has a gr
eat time! I hope to make =0Ait next year. =0A=0A=C2-=0AI have started my
project and wanted to relate my experiences to those getting =0Aready to st
art. I have completed six ribs and have seven, eight & 9 under =0Aconstruct
ion.=0A=C2-=0A1)=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- I ordered my spruce from W
icks and I very pleased with their service and =0Aquality of wood. I ordere
d cap strips at 60 inches and had them cut down a 4 by =0A4 sheet of plywoo
d to 4 by 2. I ordered enough wood to build about 19 ribs (it =0Aworks out
to 3.167 sixty-inch cap strips per rib). Shipping cost was $27.37 plus =0A$
4.50 to crate the plywood. The math comes in about $11.15 per rib including
=0Ashipping charges. That does not include T-88, which I picked up at my l
ocal =0AWoodcraft store. How do these numbers match up? Let us know.=0A2)
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Homebuilder Hints on the EAA website have be
en a great help. Invisible =0AGlove protective hand coating is great stuff.
I ordered mine from Amazon =93 free =0Ashipping on orders over $25.
I also used the EAA recommendation for a bending =0Ajig, except I just cut
mine out of 2x4 and it works great. I am not steaming my =0Awood, just soak
ing it in a water pipe overnight and putting it in the bending =0Ajig. I am
stapling my gussets. For those of you who have an AC Moore craft store =0A
close by or you can order online, they have 50% off coupons on their websit
e. I =0Awas able to get a good stapler for under $10 with the coupon. I als
o plan to go =0Aback and get more staples at 50% off.=0A=C2-=0AI have att
ached a couple of pictures of my shop and first rib.=0A=C2-=0AChuck Borsu
k=0A91-524-5398=0ARaleigh NC=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Construction has begun! |
Looking good, Chuck! Very nice looking shop. I'm expecting to see an award
winning Pietenpol coming out of such a shop.
Hopefully I can come by and see it firsthand after Brodhead. Maybe I can
come with Jim Markle - he's going to be in the area. I'm sure there's
something in that shop he can use.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CJ Borsuk
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun!
Hey Guys,
I hope everyone going to Brodhead and Oshkosh has a great time! I hope to
make it next year.
I have started my project and wanted to relate my experiences to those
getting ready to start. I have completed six ribs and have seven, eight & 9
under construction.
1) I ordered my spruce from Wicks and I very pleased with their service
and quality of wood. I ordered cap strips at 60 inches and had them cut down
a 4 by 4 sheet of plywood to 4 by 2. I ordered enough wood to build about 19
ribs (it works out to 3.167 sixty-inch cap strips per rib). Shipping cost
was $27.37 plus $4.50 to crate the plywood. The math comes in about $11.15
per rib including shipping charges. That does not include T-88, which I
picked up at my local Woodcraft store. How do these numbers match up? Let us
know.
2) Homebuilder Hints on the EAA website have been a great help.
Invisible Glove protective hand coating is great stuff. I ordered mine from
Amazon - free shipping on orders over $25. I also used the EAA
recommendation for a bending jig, except I just cut mine out of 2x4 and it
works great. I am not steaming my wood, just soaking it in a water pipe
overnight and putting it in the bending jig. I am stapling my gussets. For
those of you who have an AC Moore craft store close by or you can order
online, they have 50% off coupons on their website. I was able to get a good
stapler for under $10 with the coupon. I also plan to go back and get more
staples at 50% off.
I have attached a couple of pictures of my shop and first rib.
Chuck Borsuk
91-524-5398
Raleigh NC
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| Subject: | control horn mounting |
I did.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/IMG_0916.JPG
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Singleton
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: control horn mounting
Can i ask a silly question. Do i just use plywood plates under the Tail
control horn tabs to center them up on the main beams or am makeing this
more complicated than it really is. Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Construction has begun! |
Great looking shop and congrats on the process. Thanks for the inspiration. Greg
Menoche
-----Original Message-----
From: CJ Borsuk
Sent: Jul 18, 2010 8:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun!
Hey Guys,
I hope everyone going to Brodhead and Oshkosh has a great time! I hope to make
it next year.
I have started my project and wanted to relate my experiences to those getting
ready to start. I have completed six ribs and have seven, eight & 9 under construction.
1) I ordered my spruce from Wicks and I very pleased with their service and
quality of wood. I ordered cap strips at 60 inches and had them cut down a 4
by 4 sheet of plywood to 4 by 2. I ordered enough wood to build about 19 ribs
(it works out to 3.167 sixty-inch cap strips per rib). Shipping cost was $27.37
plus $4.50 to crate the plywood. The math comes in about $11.15 per rib including
shipping charges. That does not include T-88, which I picked up at my local
Woodcraft store. How do these numbers match up? Let us know.
2) Homebuilder Hints on the EAA website have been a great help. Invisible
Glove protective hand coating is great stuff. I ordered mine from Amazon free
shipping on orders over $25. I also used the EAA recommendation for a bending
jig, except I just cut mine out of 2x4 and it works great. I am not steaming
my wood, just soaking it in a water pipe overnight and putting it in the bending
jig. I am stapling my gussets. For those of you who have an AC Moore craft
store close by or you can order online, they have 50% off coupons on their website.
I was able to get a good stapler for under $10 with the coupon. I also plan
to go back and get more staples at 50% off.
I have attached a couple of pictures of my shop and first rib.
Chuck Borsuk
91-524-5398
Raleigh NC
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| Subject: | Re: Construction has begun! |
WOW very nice shop! Man I could spend days in there!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305396#305396
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| Subject: | Re: Construction has begun! |
Wow, totally agree! I don't know how anyone can work in such a clean shop but...maybe
it can be done.... :-)
I see maybe some signs of Norm Abrams' influence? (one of my personal heroes....)
And isn't it an amazing feeling holding those first few ribs? I love that part.
And yes, thanks for the inspiration!
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: greg menoche <gnwac@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jul 18, 2010 10:11 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun!
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>Great looking shop and congrats on the process. Thanks for the inspiration. Greg
Menoche
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: CJ Borsuk
>Sent: Jul 18, 2010 8:28 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Construction has begun!
>
>
>Hey Guys,
>
>I hope everyone going to Brodhead and Oshkosh has a great time! I hope to make
it next year.
>
>I have started my project and wanted to relate my experiences to those getting
ready to start. I have completed six ribs and have seven, eight & 9 under construction.
>
>1) I ordered my spruce from Wicks and I very pleased with their service and
quality of wood. I ordered cap strips at 60 inches and had them cut down a
4 by 4 sheet of plywood to 4 by 2. I ordered enough wood to build about 19 ribs
(it works out to 3.167 sixty-inch cap strips per rib). Shipping cost was $27.37
plus $4.50 to crate the plywood. The math comes in about $11.15 per rib including
shipping charges. That does not include T-88, which I picked up at my
local Woodcraft store. How do these numbers match up? Let us know.
>2) Homebuilder Hints on the EAA website have been a great help. Invisible
Glove protective hand coating is great stuff. I ordered mine from Amazon free
shipping on orders over $25. I also used the EAA recommendation for a bending
jig, except I just cut mine out of 2x4 and it works great. I am not steaming
my wood, just soaking it in a water pipe overnight and putting it in the bending
jig. I am stapling my gussets. For those of you who have an AC Moore craft
store close by or you can order online, they have 50% off coupons on their website.
I was able to get a good stapler for under $10 with the coupon. I also
plan to go back and get more staples at 50% off.
>
>I have attached a couple of pictures of my shop and first rib.
>
>Chuck Borsuk
>91-524-5398
>Raleigh NC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: control horn mounting |
Thanks Chris. Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 8:37 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: control horn mounting
I did.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/IMG_0916.JPG
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Singleton
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:48 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: control horn mounting
Can i ask a silly question. Do i just use plywood plates under the
Tail control horn tabs to center them up on the main beams or am makeing
this more complicated than it really is. Steve
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