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1. 03:22 AM - Re: Crash - Long Post (Jack)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: model A engine (BYD)
3. 05:57 AM - This is not the same event it was ten years ago (John Fay)
4. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: R/C Piet Kit on RCGroups For Sale (Not Mine) (John Fay)
5. 07:18 AM - Re: Down from the heavens... (TOM STINEMETZE)
6. 07:25 AM - Re: Crash - Long Post (TOM STINEMETZE)
7. 07:26 AM - Re: Down from the heavens... (Ryan Mueller)
8. 07:36 AM - Re: Down from the heavens... (TOM STINEMETZE)
9. 07:39 AM - Re: Down from the heavens... (Ryan Mueller)
10. 08:22 AM - Brodhead minute (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
11. 08:33 AM - Re: Crash - Long Post (Jim Boyer)
12. 08:33 AM - Re: Crash - Long Post (Jim Boyer)
13. 09:15 AM - Re: Brodhead Clearing 0730 Saturday (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
14. 09:25 AM - Re: Brodhead Clearing 0730 Saturday (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
15. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: model A engine (Jim Markle)
16. 11:55 AM - brass plating and metal rolling (Douwe Blumberg)
17. 12:08 PM - Re: brass plating and metal rolling (Dan Yocum)
18. 12:26 PM - Re: brass plating and metal rolling (Jim Markle)
19. 01:22 PM - Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... (Dan Yocum)
20. 01:34 PM - Re: brass plating and metal rolling (hvandervoo@aol.com)
21. 01:42 PM - Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... (Tim Willis)
22. 01:54 PM - Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
23. 03:39 PM - Re: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead (Gene & Tammy)
24. 03:46 PM - Re: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead (airlion)
25. 03:58 PM - Re: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead (Gene & Tammy)
26. 04:50 PM - Re: R/C Piet Kit on RCGroups For Sale (Not Mine) (Billy McCaskill)
27. 05:09 PM - Re: brass plating and metal rolling (Billy McCaskill)
28. 05:22 PM - Re: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead (Billy McCaskill)
29. 05:42 PM - A Piet owner for two weeks now (Dan P)
30. 05:49 PM - Re: A Piet owner for two weeks now (Gary Boothe)
31. 06:15 PM - Re: A Piet owner for two weeks now (Dan Yocum)
32. 08:31 PM - Re: A Piet owner for two weeks now (Gary Boothe)
33. 08:57 PM - Re: A Piet owner for two weeks now (Dan P)
34. 09:36 PM - Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday morning with Jack Phillips (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
35. 10:05 PM - Re: Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday morning with Jack Phillips (Ryan Mueller)
36. 10:36 PM - Re: Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday morning with Jack Phillips (shad bell)
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| Subject: | Crash - Long Post |
Oscar I hoping for the same thing, I will be 57 the 28th.
Jack
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
www.textors.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 8:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crash - Long Post
Kevin- great to hear that you and the airplane survived
to fly another day. I've heard story after story about
how folks step up to the plate when things like this
happen, and you're back in the air before you know it.
Obviously, I'm jealous because you made it to Brodhead
and I never have. If you get time in the next couple of
weeks, I'd sure like to hear about your flight up there
and back, with as much detail as you can remember. Next
year I will turn 60 (July 28) and I am hoping I will be
able to celebrate that occasion with my first flight to
Brodhead in 41CC.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: model A engine |
This site might be of interest;
http://www.handhantique.com/modelab/modelab.html
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306300#306300
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| Subject: | This is not the same event it was ten years ago |
I would like to echo John Hofmann's sentiments about the Brodhead fly in.
Actually, he said it so well, there is nothing more for me to say.
As the Brits would say: "Hear! Hear!"
John Fay in Peoria
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:40 PM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>wrote:
> Axel's landing was a thing of beauty.
>
> "The pond Axel the pond's the safest place!"
>
> There were a bunch of us positioned in case any emergency were to befell
> him.
>
> "it just means the world to him you care....They're good people Axel!"
>
> I myself was ready to smack him with a two-by-four in case It was
> necessary.
>
> I feel blessed to be a part of this group. Weather kept the Cub in the
> hangar and the rains at night did not dampen the fun. This is not the same
> event it was ten years ago. Since 1998 or so, with the growth of this list,
> a new breed of Pietenpol builder has come forth and some beautiful machines
> have been hatched. This year we added Dan Helsper's and Kevin's, I mean
> Axel's, ships to that list. I also have found some of my best friends are
> those I only see once or twice a year but for whom I have great respect and
> tend to love like a brother. My eyes water a bit, when we all leave, for
> some reason. It was great to add Kevin and his new bride as well as
> the Chouinard family among others to the friend list. I will add some
> pictures and comments after I get a charge back on my camera.
>
> However, this gentleman would like to have the last word on Kevin's
> situation:
>
> http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100026
>
> -john-
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: R/C Piet Kit on RCGroups For Sale (Not Mine) |
Dan,
Where do you live? Can you give us a few more particulars of your purchase
and a couple of pics?
John Fay in Peoria
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Dan P <dlplett@swko.net> wrote:
>
> Billy
> You got it right about needing to sell the RC airplanes. Every now and
> then I build another one for something to do. Fly it a few times then up in
> the attic it goes.
>
> I considered building a Piet then I came across a really nice one for sale
> a few weeks ago. I missed out on the adventure and challenge of building
> and went straight to the enjoyment of flying. :D
>
> --------
> Dan Plett
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306262#306262
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/sam_0804_166.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Down from the heavens... |
> This is what happens when you let Mike Cuy fly your wife in your
Pietenpol:
Way to go Jess - what fun! By the way, was that a flight in your new
airplane with Mike Cuy doing the drivin' or was that in Mike's plane?
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
>>> John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> 7/25/2010 7:40 PM >>>
However, this gentleman would like to have the last word on Kevin's
situation:
http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100026
-john-
Priceless John! If there really are some "Crank Snappin' Corvair Society"
T-shirts available I want to get my order in right now.
"Pockity Pockity . . . sigh"
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Stinemetze
N328X
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
to hereditary prejudices but honestly ;and courageously uses his intelligen
ce." - Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: Down from the heavens... |
That was Mike flying with Jess in our new Pietenpol.... :)
Ryan
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:14 AM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> > This is what happens when you let Mike Cuy fly your wife in your
> Pietenpol:
>
> *Way to go Jess - what fun! By the way, was that a flight in your new
> airplane with Mike Cuy doing the drivin' or was that in Mike's plane?*
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *McPherson, KS*
>
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> *
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> *
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| Subject: | Re: Down from the heavens... |
>>> Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> 7/26/2010 9:25 AM >>>
>That was Mike flying with Jess in our new Pietenpol.... :)
>Ryan
Ryan:
Glad I was able to do my small part in making that flight a reality.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Down from the heavens... |
Indeed. Thank you Tom!
Ryan
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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:35 AM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> >>> Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> 7/26/2010 9:25 AM >>>
>
> >That was Mike flying with Jess in our new Pietenpol.... :)
>
> >Ryan
>
> *Ryan: *
> *Glad I was able to do my small part in making that flight a reality.*
> **
> *Tom*
> *do not archive*
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> *
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It was again a real pleasure and delight to see you all again, okay most
of you all! I really enjoyed the time we spent checking out airplanes and
just hanging out together. Seeing old friends and making new ones each year is
certainly the magic of the event, add some great airplanes and bit of
adventure and you got it all.
Cant wait to do it again! Merry Christmas
Thanks again all
John
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| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
Hi Kevin,
Really glad you got the Piet flying again. It is always best to fly with so
meone who had a learning experience; you know they won't let the same thing
happen again.
Really great to meet you in person and have many more happy hours flying th
at wonderful Piet.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:01:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crash - Long Post
il>
Hi - I'd like to recount my mishap at Brodhead on Friday for members of the
list.
The trip up: I made it from Austin to Brodhead in 3.5 days. =C2-1.0 day d
elay due to weather. =C2-The only issue I had during the trip was an atte
mpted ground loop east of Kansas City. =C2-I dragged the right wing tip b
ut the damage was minimal. =C2-It didn't make me happy but it was not a t
ragedy.
The mishap: I was doing a touch and go at Brodhead. =C2-During the "go" p
art I felt the aircraft yaw sharply to the left. =C2-It felt like I had s
truck something with the left gear or that the tire caught in the wet groun
d. =C2-I powered through it and managed to avoid going into the corn fiel
d to the left of the runway. =C2-I thought to myself, "For goodness sake
(or something like that), what's wrong with my ability to control this thin
g?" thinking back to the wingtip dragging episode.
As I continued around the pattern I looked out and saw that my left landing
gear V was hanging from the rear attach point. =C2-The front part of the
V had been ripped loose from the mounting lug. =C2-
I flew over the field trying to get everyone's attention on the ground. =C2
-I knew I had succeeded when I saw everyone running in the same direction
with a definite purpose. =C2-I waited for the pattern to clear and then
landed on one of the closed runways to take advantage of a direct head wind
. =C2-I also planned the approach to take me in the vicinity of the group
so that there was rescue available quickly. =C2-The people on the ground
did a great job clearing everyone off of the runways. =C2-
I turned off the fuel on short final and performed a wheel landing. =C2-I
held the left wing up as long as possible. =C2-When the left gear dug in
we were going pretty slow. =C2-I flipped the ignition and battery off.
=C2-The aircraft spun around ~180 degrees, the left wing tip touched the
ground and the aircraft came to a rest. =C2-There was no further incident
. =C2-I will never forget the look on Jessie Mueller's face as I was care
ening toward her and Ryan's brand new airplane. =C2-I was stomping on the
right brake pretty hard. =C2-
The repair: if you've got to wreck a Piet do it at Brodhead. =C2-Matt Smi
th, a local, along with his Dad and son, spent 7 hours making the necessary
repairs. =C2-The landing gear V needed the lugs reattached, the bungee c
ross strut tab on the bottom of the V had pulled out, and the bungee cross
strut was bent. =C2-Matt, an amazingly talented and knowledgeable A&P/IA
did great work and taught me a lot in the 7 hours. =C2-Unbelievable. =C2
-You know he wouldn't take any money, right? =C2-Of course not. =C2-I
cannot express the depth of my gratitude to Matt, his Dad and son. =C2-I
n addition to Matt and his family, several knowledgeable people looked over
the rest of the aircraft for me and verified that the landing gear was the
only apparent damage. =C2-I appreciate you.
Today: flew ~3 hours and took ~8 passengers. =C2-I told them all that I h
ad wrecked the day before. =C2-They all said, "I know" and we went flying
. =C2-Amazing.
Cause: the yaw I felt on my touch and go was the left gear V front attachme
nt failing. =C2-If I had not noticed that the gear was hanging from the r
ear lug this event may have gone very, very badly. =C2-I don't always che
ck to see if the gear's still there before landing but I've started to do s
o now. =C2-I'm glad I looked. =C2-Anyway, the V attach lugs failed beca
use I hit something or because the welds were stressed and chose that time
to fail. =C2-I did not find anything on the runway so it may have been th
e latter. =C2-As I've mentioned here before I have ~140 hours on the plan
e since the first flight last September and I've done ~400 landings. =C2-
I've worked the gear pretty hard.
Lessons Learned & Things I'll Start Doing: I'll darn sure preflight those a
ttachment lugs better. =C2-I'll also take the right gear off and have a p
rofessional verify the integrity of my welds on that side. =C2-My before
landing check now includes a visual check of "Gear down and locked."
Good things: I was delighted to meet many of my internet friends in person.
=C2-What a great group of people! =C2-Then, with the wreck, they reall
y came through and showed me how wonderful they are. =C2-I have been nick
named Kevin "Axel" Purtee from TGWP. =C2-They had to explain the referenc
e to me since it's been years since I've seen the movie. =C2-It is quite
funny and I shall wear my new nickname with pride. =C2-I was presented an
award for "The shortest landing at Brodhead in 2010" which I will frame an
d hang in a prominent place. =C2-I have now been enshrined in the Hitler
video. =C2-A thing of beauty.
I'm going to miss some of you and I'm sorry, but thanks to everyone who hel
ped, including Jack Phillips, Gary at Brodhead, Lowell Frank, Rob Busch, Er
nie Moreno, Mike Cuy, Don Emch, John Hoffman and all the rest of the dozens
of people who helped. =C2-Thanks especially to Ryan and Jessie Mueller a
nd Dan Yocum. =C2-They rock. =C2-Sounds like an acceptance speech - sor
ry.
You may wanna archive this one. =C2-
You guys are spectacular.
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306189#306189
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| Subject: | Re: Crash - Long Post |
Ryan and Jesse,
Jesse sounded like she was having too much fun in that flight with Mike. Yo
u guys have one nice Piet enjoy it; I'm jealous.
Really great seeing your two again and Arlene says Hi too.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 7:31:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Crash - Long Post
Kevin gave his consent, so here it is. People in Wichita pay $15 or $20 to
see a crash like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH-lwcgop-8
Ryan
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:00 PM, shad bell < aviatorbell@yahoo.com > wrote:
That hitler parady was a gutt buster!!!!=C2- Wish I could have been there
this year, and may you all have a fun and safe flight home from "pietenpol
paradise".=C2- Look out Kevin and Randy the furor is looking for you and
the United States Corvair-force.=C2- It's ok though you should have at l
east 10-15 mph advantage on the rest of them.
Shad
Lt.=C2- Crank Snapper U.S.Corvair-force RET
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://
forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
==
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| Subject: | Brodhead Clearing 0730 Saturday |
Lol...that plane probably smell for weeks. I talked with Dawn Burns
Casey this morning on the phone...poor girl is going through a divorce,
still sounds the same with that Tenn accent.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 6:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Clearing 0730 Saturday
Now clearing, nice evening last night, heavy storms overnight.
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Brodhead Clearing 0730 Saturday |
Disregard the miss post.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Clearing 0730 Saturday
Lol...that plane probably smell for weeks. I talked with Dawn Burns
Casey this morning on the phone...poor girl is going through a divorce,
still sounds the same with that Tenn accent.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 6:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Clearing 0730 Saturday
Now clearing, nice evening last night, heavy storms overnight.
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: model A engine |
That site is REALLY interesting!
Thank you!
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-----Original Message-----
>From: BYD <bannerbill@att.net>
>Sent: Jul 26, 2010 8:33 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: model A engine
>
>
>This site might be of interest;
>
>http://www.handhantique.com/modelab/modelab.html
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306300#306300
>
>
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| Subject: | brass plating and metal rolling |
Hey everyone.
Great to see you all, and glad we all weathered the storm. Marci and I had
a great time, and I got the shot in the arm I need to get back to building!!
Two questions.
1. I have an aluminum part I want brass plated. I know this is a multi step
process involving zinc or nickel plating, then brass plating etc. I am
having a heck of a time finding a plating shop to do it, any ideas out
there?
2. If I wanted a thin wall stainless tube that I simply couldn't find stock,
I was thinking I could have a sheet metal shop roll some up for me. What is
this process called and what type of shop would I look for? I'm thinking
six foot lengths about 2.5" in diameter.
Thanks,
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: brass plating and metal rolling |
Hi Douwe,
McMaster-Carr has 0.065 walled 2.5" OD stainless tubing for $104-118 per
6' lengths.
Can't help you on the brass plating, though.
Cheers!
Dan
On 07/26/2010 01:59 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> Hey everyone.
>
> Great to see you all, and glad we all weathered the storm. Marci and I had
> a great time, and I got the shot in the arm I need to get back to building!!
>
> Two questions.
>
> 1. I have an aluminum part I want brass plated. I know this is a multi step
> process involving zinc or nickel plating, then brass plating etc. I am
> having a heck of a time finding a plating shop to do it, any ideas out
> there?
>
> 2. If I wanted a thin wall stainless tube that I simply couldn't find stock,
> I was thinking I could have a sheet metal shop roll some up for me. What is
> this process called and what type of shop would I look for? I'm thinking
> six foot lengths about 2.5" in diameter.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Douwe
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: brass plating and metal rolling |
Many years ago I had a custom motorcycle with some gold and chrome plating done
by a place in Padukah, KY, Brown's Plating maybe. Don't remember the name for
sure but it's been there forever and might be an option to check out.
>From Hartford CT (my email yesterday said "Hampton, CT"...what a dummy, I'm STAYING
at the Hampton Inn!!)....far far from Brodhead and/or my shop....oh well.
jm
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>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jul 26, 2010 2:59 PM
>To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass plating and metal rolling
>
>
>Hey everyone.
>
>Great to see you all, and glad we all weathered the storm. Marci and I had
>a great time, and I got the shot in the arm I need to get back to building!!
>
>Two questions.
>
>1. I have an aluminum part I want brass plated. I know this is a multi step
>process involving zinc or nickel plating, then brass plating etc. I am
>having a heck of a time finding a plating shop to do it, any ideas out
>there?
>
>2. If I wanted a thin wall stainless tube that I simply couldn't find stock,
>I was thinking I could have a sheet metal shop roll some up for me. What is
>this process called and what type of shop would I look for? I'm thinking
>six foot lengths about 2.5" in diameter.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Douwe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
> You can change a lot of the flight dynamics witha ANY airfoil by building the
Piet as light as possible, powering it up a bit, and/or by adding some wingspan.
I had the opportunity to see Ty Daniels take off at Brodhead in his Piet
- talk about an absolute elevator! Unbelievable. He and his wife were
at 100' within 100' of leaving the runway! I'm not exaggerating. At
that height he nosed it over a bit to gain some extra speed to keep
flying, but then he just kept climbing, although at a slower rate.
The key is to build light light light. Ty's plane weighs 640 *with
12gal fuel!!*
Ty's a young guy about 6'3" and 140lbs. His wife is 110lbs. He's got
an A-65 with a McCauley climb prop of unknown pitch.
For comparison, N8031 is between 710-730lbs *empty* and with just my
butt in there I could get to 250-300' by the end of the 2400' runway.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: brass plating and metal rolling |
You could do it yourself:
http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/
For the stainless tubing I recommend:
http://www.burnsstainless.com
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, Jul 26, 2010 1:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass plating and metal rolling
hlink.net>
Hey everyone.
Great to see you all, and glad we all weathered the storm. Marci and I ha
d
great time, and I got the shot in the arm I need to get back to building!
!
Two questions.
1. I have an aluminum part I want brass plated. I know this is a multi st
ep
rocess involving zinc or nickel plating, then brass plating etc. I am
aving a heck of a time finding a plating shop to do it, any ideas out
here?
2. If I wanted a thin wall stainless tube that I simply couldn't find stoc
k,
was thinking I could have a sheet metal shop roll some up for me. What
is
his process called and what type of shop would I look for? I'm thinking
ix foot lengths about 2.5" in diameter.
Thanks,
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
That sounds impressive, all right. That is about 570# dry.... remarkable.
Mike Cuy's ship is about that weight, as I recall. Light.
Do you know if Ty Daniels has the traditional BP airfoil?
Do you know what/if he eats ;~)
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
>Sent: Jul 26, 2010 3:21 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too...
>
>
>>> You can change a lot of the flight dynamics with ANY airfoil by building the
Piet as light as possible, powering it up a bit, and/or by adding some wingspan.
>
>I had the opportunity to see Ty Daniels take off at Brodhead in his Piet
>- talk about an absolute elevator! Unbelievable. He and his wife were
>at 100' within 100' of leaving the runway! I'm not exaggerating. At
>that height he nosed it over a bit to gain some extra speed to keep
>flying, but then he just kept climbing, although at a slower rate.
>
>The key is to build light light light. Ty's plane weighs 640 *with
>12gal fuel!!*
>
>Ty's a young guy about 6'3" and 140lbs. His wife is 110lbs. He's got
>an A-65 with a McCauley climb prop of unknown pitch.
>
>For comparison, N8031 is between 710-730lbs *empty* and with just my
>butt in there I could get to 250-300' by the end of the 2400' runway.
>
>Dan
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
><clip>
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| Subject: | Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead |
Now there is a TRUSTING husband to allow an infidel like me to fly thier br
and new Pietenpol and then
let his wife Jess go along for my first time flying it.
What a NICE flying Pietenpol and it climbs really well with a strong engine
, straight rigging, and excellent windshields. I flew with no goggles and
my contacts in and no issues what so ever.
I was honored to be able to hop a few rides for Ryan and Jess, plus Jack Ph
illips had enough for the day and was
meeting up on the field with one of his good buddies from North Carolina.
Getting a little sun and seeing Sean Tucker trying to pull more g's than a
human body should be ever able to endure
here at Oshkosh. As Walt Evans says, Ain't life grand ?
Mike C. in Oshkosh
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| Subject: | Re: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead |
Mike,
Thank you for the nice report on N502R. I spent a lot of time bringing
her to that point. It was hard to let her go but it really helps that
such a nice couple bought her and have become her caretakers. I'm doing
well and wish to thank everyone for their prayers. They have really
helped. My last exam indicated that the Chemo is working, so keep the
prayers coming.
As a side note, I have all 4 of Tony Bingelis' books, in new condition,
that I will let go to anyone on this list for $50. plus shipping.
Everyone, fly safe
Gene in beautiful (but VERY HOT) Tennessee
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 3:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead
Now there is a TRUSTING husband to allow an infidel like me to fly thier
brand new Pietenpol and then
let his wife Jess go along for my first time flying it.
What a NICE flying Pietenpol and it climbs really well with a strong
engine, straight rigging, and excellent windshields. I flew with no
goggles and my contacts in and no issues what so ever.
I was honored to be able to hop a few rides for Ryan and Jess, plus Jack
Phillips had enough for the day and was
meeting up on the field with one of his good buddies from North
Carolina.
Getting a little sun and seeing Sean Tucker trying to pull more g's than
a human body should be ever able to endure
here at Oshkosh. As Walt Evans says, Ain't life grand ?
Mike C. in Oshkosh
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| Subject: | Re: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead |
Gene, I would like to buy your set of Bengellis books. Gardiner Mason
--- On Mon, 7/26/10, Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> wrote:
From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead
=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AMike,=0AThank you for the nice report on N502R.- I
spent a =0Alot of time bringing her to that point.- It was hard to let h
er go but it =0Areally helps that such a nice couple bought her and have be
come her =0Acaretakers.- I'm doing well and wish to thank everyone for th
eir =0Aprayers.- They have really helped.- My last exam indicated that
the =0AChemo is working, so keep the prayers coming.=0AAs a side note, I ha
ve all 4 of Tony Bingelis' books, in =0Anew condition, that I will let go t
o anyone on this list for $50. plus =0Ashipping.- =0AEveryone, fly safe
=0AGene-- in beautiful (but VERY HOT) =0ATennessee=0A=0A
=0A=0AFrom: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace =0ACorporation] =0ASe
nt: Monday, July 26, 2010 3:50 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A=0A
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ryan and Jess new Piet at =0ABrodhead=0A
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ier =0Abrand new Pietenpol and then=0Alet his wife Jess go along for my fir
st time =0Aflying it.- =0A-=0AWhat a NICE flying Pietenpol and it climb
s really =0Awell with a strong engine, straight rigging, and excellent =0Aw
indshields.-- I flew with no goggles and my contacts in and no issues
=0Awhat so ever.-- =0A-=0AI was honored to be able to hop a few rides
for =0ARyan and Jess, plus Jack Phillips had enough for the day and was=0A
meeting up on the field with one of his good =0Abuddies from North Carolina
. =0A-=0AGetting a little sun and seeing Sean Tucker trying =0Ato pull mo
re g's than a human body should be ever able to endure=0Ahere at Oshkosh.
---- As Walt =0AEvans says, Ain't life grand ?=0A-=0AMike C. in O
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| Subject: | Re: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead |
Gardiner, you can contact me off list at zharvey@bentoncountycable.net
or 731-336-6893.
Also, just in case anyone is interested, I have a maule tail wheel
assembly I'd let go very cheaply.
Gene
From: airlion
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead
Gene, I would like to buy your set of Bengellis books. Gardiner
Mason
--- On Mon, 7/26/10, Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
wrote:
From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 6:41 PM
Mike,
Thank you for the nice report on N502R. I spent a lot of time
bringing her to that point. It was hard to let her go but it really
helps that such a nice couple bought her and have become her caretakers.
I'm doing well and wish to thank everyone for their prayers. They have
really helped. My last exam indicated that the Chemo is working, so
keep the prayers coming.
As a side note, I have all 4 of Tony Bingelis' books, in new
condition, that I will let go to anyone on this list for $50. plus
shipping.
Everyone, fly safe
Gene in beautiful (but VERY HOT) Tennessee
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 3:50 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead
Now there is a TRUSTING husband to allow an infidel like me to
fly thier brand new Pietenpol and then
let his wife Jess go along for my first time flying it.
What a NICE flying Pietenpol and it climbs really well with a
strong engine, straight rigging, and excellent windshields. I flew
with no goggles and my contacts in and no issues what so ever.
I was honored to be able to hop a few rides for Ryan and Jess,
plus Jack Phillips had enough for the day and was
meeting up on the field with one of his good buddies from North
Carolina.
Getting a little sun and seeing Sean Tucker trying to pull more
g's than a human body should be ever able to endure
here at Oshkosh. As Walt Evans says, Ain't life grand ?
Mike C. in Oshkosh
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| Subject: | Re: R/C Piet Kit on RCGroups For Sale (Not Mine) |
I guess I missed seeing the picture of your newly acquired Piet in your post Dan...
Congrats, and hope to see you in Brodhead with it next year!
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section done, ribs coming next!
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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| Subject: | Re: brass plating and metal rolling |
Douwe, it was a pleasure meeting you and your wife this past weekend!
As for the thin-wall stainless tubing, just how thin are you looking for?
You might check in your local area for shops that do car exhaust work, many newer
cars have stainless exhaust systems and 2.5" diameter is a common size for
car exhaust systems. Wall thickness is approximately .032" or thereabout. Might
be what you are looking for, and might save you some money getting it locally.
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section done, ribs coming next
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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| Subject: | Re: Ryan and Jess new Piet at Brodhead |
I have to echo Mike Cuy's sentiments about what a nice airplane that Jess and
Ryan have now. I was fortunate enough to get a ride in the plane with Mike at
the controls, and it was a great ride. He even let me take the stick for a few
minutes. It flew just like an airplane should, and getting a ride was a great
shot in the arm for me to stop making excuses and start making sawdust again!
It's really a shame that Brodhead lasts only 2 days, how great it would be if it
were a week-long event! I got to meet a lot of people, but didn't have enough
time to meet as many people as I would have liked to! But there is always
next year!
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section done, ribs coming next
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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| Subject: | A Piet owner for two weeks now |
I have had inquiries on the purchase and ownership of my Piet. Rather than hi
jacking someone else's topic I'll start one of my own.
>From a Barnstormers ad we located a Piet for sale in Collinsville, Ok just north
of Tulsa. June 19th Steve R, my son and I flew to Collinsville for an inspection.
A few days later my offer was accepted.
July 10th Steve R, my son and I flew back to Collinsville for a final inspection
and to take delivery. Steve flew it to Alva, OK. Once in Alva Steve gave
me a few hours of dual time before soloing and flying it back to Liberal, KS
were it is now home.
N28WH first flew in 1995 and has approx 200 hrs on the airframe. The A-65 has
approx 40 hrs on it since rebuild. I have somewhere between 10 to 15 hrs in
it so far. I'm still trying to get the hang of flying a tail dragger. It's
getting better. The good landings are beginning to out number the bad.
[Shocked]
--------
Dan Plett
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| Subject: | A Piet owner for two weeks now |
Dan,
Congratulations, but until you post pics, no one here will believe you! ;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan P
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Piet owner for two weeks now
I have had inquiries on the purchase and ownership of my Piet. Rather than
hi jacking someone else's topic I'll start one of my own.
>From a Barnstormers ad we located a Piet for sale in Collinsville, Ok just
north of Tulsa. June 19th Steve R, my son and I flew to Collinsville for
an inspection. A few days later my offer was accepted.
July 10th Steve R, my son and I flew back to Collinsville for a final
inspection and to take delivery. Steve flew it to Alva, OK. Once in
Alva Steve gave me a few hours of dual time before soloing and flying it
back to Liberal, KS were it is now home.
N28WH first flew in 1995 and has approx 200 hrs on the airframe. The A-65
has approx 40 hrs on it since rebuild. I have somewhere between 10 to 15
hrs in it so far. I'm still trying to get the hang of flying a tail
dragger. It's getting better. The good landings are beginning to out
number the bad. [Shocked]
--------
Dan Plett
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| Subject: | Re: A Piet owner for two weeks now |
Check again, Gary - they're in the attachments.
Dan
do not archive
On 07/26/2010 07:48 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe"<gboothe5@comcast.net>
>
> Dan,
>
> Congratulations, but until you post pics, no one here will believe you! ;-)
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan P
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 5:42 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Piet owner for two weeks now
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan P"<dlplett@swko.net>
>
> I have had inquiries on the purchase and ownership of my Piet. Rather than
> hi jacking someone else's topic I'll start one of my own.
>
>> From a Barnstormers ad we located a Piet for sale in Collinsville, Ok just
> north of Tulsa. June 19th Steve R, my son and I flew to Collinsville for
> an inspection. A few days later my offer was accepted.
>
> July 10th Steve R, my son and I flew back to Collinsville for a final
> inspection and to take delivery. Steve flew it to Alva, OK. Once in
> Alva Steve gave me a few hours of dual time before soloing and flying it
> back to Liberal, KS were it is now home.
>
> N28WH first flew in 1995 and has approx 200 hrs on the airframe. The A-65
> has approx 40 hrs on it since rebuild. I have somewhere between 10 to 15
> hrs in it so far. I'm still trying to get the hang of flying a tail
> dragger. It's getting better. The good landings are beginning to out
> number the bad. [Shocked]
>
> --------
> Dan Plett
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306390#306390
>
>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | A Piet owner for two weeks now |
Yes, of course! Seeing is believing!! My apologies....
She's a beauty, Dan! I like the leather coping behind the pilot, and the way
the fuel tank is fastened down.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Piet owner for two weeks now
Check again, Gary - they're in the attachments.
Dan
do not archive
On 07/26/2010 07:48 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe"<gboothe5@comcast.net>
>
> Dan,
>
> Congratulations, but until you post pics, no one here will believe you!
;-)
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
> Do not archive
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan P
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 5:42 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Piet owner for two weeks now
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan P"<dlplett@swko.net>
>
> I have had inquiries on the purchase and ownership of my Piet. Rather
than
> hi jacking someone else's topic I'll start one of my own.
>
>> From a Barnstormers ad we located a Piet for sale in Collinsville, Ok
just
> north of Tulsa. June 19th Steve R, my son and I flew to Collinsville for
> an inspection. A few days later my offer was accepted.
>
> July 10th Steve R, my son and I flew back to Collinsville for a final
> inspection and to take delivery. Steve flew it to Alva, OK. Once in
> Alva Steve gave me a few hours of dual time before soloing and flying it
> back to Liberal, KS were it is now home.
>
> N28WH first flew in 1995 and has approx 200 hrs on the airframe. The A-65
> has approx 40 hrs on it since rebuild. I have somewhere between 10 to
15
> hrs in it so far. I'm still trying to get the hang of flying a tail
> dragger. It's getting better. The good landings are beginning to out
> number the bad. [Shocked]
>
> --------
> Dan Plett
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306390#306390
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: A Piet owner for two weeks now |
Thank you.
Kevin Helf did a really nice job building that Piet. His wood working ability
and equipment would rival that of many cabinet shops. His A&P skills were evident
through out the construction.
--------
Dan Plett
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday morning |
with Jack Phillips
The great part about Gene P.'s Piet being flown at Bhead by Jack Phillips was the
fact that on Sunday morning Jack tookoff with a stout Ryan Mueller (much like
me) in the front seat to the East
into a nice 10 mph breeze and that airplane did a great job of getting out of there,
bar none. I'm impressed as could be. Several good buddies including
Glenn Thomas, Rob Busch, and John Hofmann
watched as Gene's Cloudcar prop and that newer 50 SMOH engine and combo was incredible
getting out of there. They did a fine job and I hope Ryan will give
us his impressions of what he felt the plane handled like from the front seat
after they got flying over to Poplar Grove, IL (Home of Dan Helsper's AMAZING
Ford Piet for fuel. Gene P. should be given a very big pat on the back
for just building by the plans to have a VERY NICE performing Piet as the plans
show------stellar perofrmance without reinvening the wheel. My hat is off
to Gene P. from TN. Congrats to Ryan and Jess in Chicago for being the
new caretakers of her.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday morning |
with Jack Phillips
Hi Mike,
She did an admirable job of hauling Jack and my "stout" behind out of
Brodhead, indeed. This was also with an almost full tank of gas; we filled
up the evening before and there was only one short ride hopped that morning.
Granted she did not climb like a rocket, but we were able to keep up with
Dan & Dan. That was my first time up in a Piet so I can't compare to other
Piets, but she flew nicely.
Just to clarify, Gene was not the original builder of N502R. With that being
said he is responsible for making her such a beautiful, strong flying
airplane, having done a quality major overhaul on the engine, installing the
Cloudcars prop, etc. We feel very blessed to have been given the chance to
be N502R's caretakers and we look forward to having lots of fun with her and
sharing her with others as much as we possibly can.
Time for bed. Have fun at OSH Mikee!
Ryan
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>
> The great part about Gene P.'s Piet being flown at Bhead by Jack Phillips
> was the fact that on Sunday morning Jack tookoff with a stout Ryan Mueller
> (much like me) in the front seat to the East
> into a nice 10 mph breeze and that airplane did a great job of getting out
> of there, bar none. I'm impressed as could be. Several good buddies
> including Glenn Thomas, Rob Busch, and John Hofmann
> watched as Gene's Cloudcar prop and that newer 50 SMOH engine and combo
> was incredible getting out of there. They did a fine job and I hope Ryan
> will give us his impressions of what he felt the plane handled like from the
> front seat after they got flying over to Poplar Grove, IL (Home of Dan
> Helsper's AMAZING Ford Piet for fuel. Gene P. should be given a very big
> pat on the back for just building by the plans to have a VERY NICE
> performing Piet as the plans show------stellar perofrmance without
> reinvening the wheel. My hat is off to Gene P. from TN. Congrats to
> Ryan and Jess in Chicago for being the new caretakers of her.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday |
morning with Jack Phillips
Congrats to Ryan and Jess.- I hope to be able to make next years pilgrama
ge to Brodhead in NX92GB.- Jess nice camera work covering Axle's airshow,
but -I could hear some worry in your voice, could not have had a better
cammera angle anywhere.- Kevin, thats was some good stick and rudder skil
ls, and I hope to meet you next year at brodhead with your nice corvair pie
t.- If I happen to be down in Texas in the next year or so I will look yo
u up, I go to Dallas once in a while and could catch a flight to Austin if
I have the time (a free fringe bennifit of working for an airline).-
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