---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/28/10: 41 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:34 AM - Piets in N. California/So. Oregon (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 07:38 AM - Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon (gboothe5@comcast.net) 3. 07:39 AM - Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a log entry (Jeff Boatright) 4. 07:49 AM - Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon (Dan Yocum) 5. 07:54 AM - Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon (Ryan Mueller) 6. 08:22 AM - Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon (Jim Boyer) 7. 08:34 AM - mccauley vs. cloudcars prop [was: Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon] (Dan Yocum) 8. 08:35 AM - To Door or not to Door (Phil) 9. 08:46 AM - Re: Photos from Brodhead 2010 (coxwelljon) 10. 09:02 AM - Re: To Door or not to Door (coxwelljon) 11. 09:11 AM - Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a log (Billy McCaskill) 12. 09:21 AM - Re: To Door or not to Door (V Groah) 13. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: To Door or not to Door (airlion) 14. 09:27 AM - Re: Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday morning wi (Billy McCaskill) 15. 09:30 AM - Re: mccauley vs. cloudcars prop [was: Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon] (Jack Phillips) 16. 09:40 AM - Re: mccauley vs. cloudcars prop [was: Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon] (Dan Yocum) 17. 09:40 AM - Re: To Door or not to Door (Jack Phillips) 18. 09:44 AM - Re: mccauley vs. cloudcars prop [was: Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon] (Jack Phillips) 19. 09:59 AM - Re: To Door or not to Door (Ryan Mueller) 20. 10:00 AM - Re: Re: Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday morning wi (Ryan Mueller) 21. 10:34 AM - Re: To Door or not to Door (Jim Boyer) 22. 10:35 AM - Re: To Door or not to Door (Jeff Boatright) 23. 10:45 AM - Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon (taildrags) 24. 10:53 AM - Re: To Door or not to Door (taildrags) 25. 10:56 AM - swapping rides (Oscar Zuniga) 26. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: To Door or not to Door (Ryan Mueller) 27. 11:52 AM - Re: Broadhead 2010 (Dale McCleskey) 28. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Broadhead 2010 (Jack Phillips) 29. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: To Door or not to Door (Jim Boyer) 30. 12:42 PM - Re: swapping rides (Jack Phillips) 31. 01:24 PM - Re: To Door or not to Door (Phil) 32. 01:37 PM - Re: swapping rides (TOM STINEMETZE) 33. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: To Door or not to Door (V Groah) 34. 04:14 PM - Re: To Door or not to Door (airlion) 35. 06:31 PM - progress! (Douwe Blumberg) 36. 06:59 PM - Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon (Darrel Jones) 37. 07:35 PM - Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a log entry (Gene Rambo) 38. 07:39 PM - Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a log entry (Gene Rambo) 39. 07:42 PM - Re: progress! (Ben Charvet) 40. 08:26 PM - Re: progress! (Billy McCaskill) 41. 08:36 PM - Dan's Prop (John Fay) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:04 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon Anybody know of any Piets or builders in the northern California or southern Oregon area? I just noticed a note from Rex Ervin in Klamath Falls, Oregon in the latest BPA newsletter inquiring about this. I'd also like to know if anyone knows Rex and can maybe put me in contact with him? Thanks. PS, had one of the smoothest flights ever in my airplane the other morning. I rarely get to fly in the early morning and it was superb. It really lets you see where your airplane needs tweaking in trim... I think I need to add some more rudder trim to 41CC but had never really noticed it since most of my flying is in the bumpy afternoons. Not a hands-off airplane but I'll bet it could be pretty close to it if I took some time to work on refining it. Gosh, that will mean a lot more flying to get it figured out. Hard work, but somebody has to do it ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon From: gboothe5@comcast.net Oscar, Don't know Rex, but there are several of us builders in NCal, including the notorious Chris Tracy. Gary Boothe ------Original Message------ From: Oscar Zuniga Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon Sent: Jul 28, 2010 7:33 AM Anybody know of any Piets or builders in the northern California or southern Oregon area? I just noticed a note from Rex Ervin in Klamath Falls, Oregon in the latest BPA newsletter inquiring about this. I'd also like to know if anyone knows Rex and can maybe put me in contact with him? Thanks. PS, had one of the smoothest flights ever in my airplane the other morning. I rarely get to fly in the early morning and it was superb. It really lets you see where your airplane needs tweaking in trim... I think I need to add some more rudder trim to 41CC but had never really noticed it since most of my flying is in the bumpy afternoons. Not a hands-off airplane but I'll bet it could be pretty close to it if I took some time to work on refining it. Gosh, that will mean a lot more flying to get it figured out. Hard work, but somebody has to do it ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:39 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a log entry Man, that big ol' prop looks good! Thanks for the vids! -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:39 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon Oscar, What do you think of your new A75 with the chromed cylinders? Better'n the A65? I'm slowly but surely acquiring the pieces of an A75 with chromed cylinders from my dad... I'm thinking of putting it back together and maybe putting it on my Piet. Though, I gotta say, after the rings seated in the "new" #4 cylinder this past weekend I can't complain much about the new climb rate. Thanks, Dan On 07/28/2010 09:33 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga > > > Anybody know of any Piets or builders in the northern > California or southern Oregon area? I just noticed a > note from Rex Ervin in Klamath Falls, Oregon in the > latest BPA newsletter inquiring about this. I'd also > like to know if anyone knows Rex and can maybe put me > in contact with him? Thanks. > > PS, had one of the smoothest flights ever in > my airplane the other morning. I rarely get to fly in > the early morning and it was superb. It really lets > you see where your airplane needs tweaking in trim... > I think I need to add some more rudder trim to 41CC > but had never really noticed it since most of my > flying is in the bumpy afternoons. Not a hands-off > airplane but I'll bet it could be pretty close to it > if I took some time to work on refining it. Gosh, > that will mean a lot more flying to get it figured out. > Hard work, but somebody has to do it ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon From: Ryan Mueller Ya know, a Cloudcars prop cut for a flanged A-65 might help as well.... :) Ryan do not archive On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Oscar, > > What do you think of your new A75 with the chromed cylinders? Better'n the > A65? I'm slowly but surely acquiring the pieces of an A75 with chromed > cylinders from my dad... I'm thinking of putting it back together and maybe > putting it on my Piet. > > Though, I gotta say, after the rings seated in the "new" #4 cylinder this > past weekend I can't complain much about the new climb rate. > > Thanks, > Dan > > > On 07/28/2010 09:33 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga> > >> >> >> Anybody know of any Piets or builders in the northern >> California or southern Oregon area? I just noticed a >> note from Rex Ervin in Klamath Falls, Oregon in the >> latest BPA newsletter inquiring about this. I'd also >> like to know if anyone knows Rex and can maybe put me >> in contact with him? Thanks. >> >> PS, had one of the smoothest flights ever in >> my airplane the other morning. I rarely get to fly in >> the early morning and it was superb. It really lets >> you see where your airplane needs tweaking in trim... >> I think I need to add some more rudder trim to 41CC >> but had never really noticed it since most of my >> flying is in the bumpy afternoons. Not a hands-off >> airplane but I'll bet it could be pretty close to it >> if I took some time to work on refining it. Gosh, >> that will mean a lot more flying to get it figured out. >> Hard work, but somebody has to do it ;o) >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Air Camper NX41CC >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:23 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon Hello Oscar, There is a flying Piet in Chico, CA. Don't know the owners name but found o ut about it on this site couple of months ago. Also there is Irwin Furst somewhere in the Lincoln, CA (Sacramento area) wi th a flying Piet. Then there is the group of us starting with Chris Tracy, Carmichael, Gary B oothe, Cool, Michael Weaver, Lincoln, me in Santa Rosa, and Vic and Michael Groah, Tulare all building Piets. Vic and Michael are about ready for cove r and Chris and Gary should also be close. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:33:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon Anybody know of any Piets or builders in the northern California or southern Oregon area? =C2-I just noticed a note from Rex Ervin in Klamath Falls, Oregon in the latest BPA newsletter inquiring about this. =C2-I'd also like to know if anyone knows Rex and can maybe put me in contact with him? =C2-Thanks. =C2- PS, had one of the smoothest flights ever in my airplane the other morning. =C2-I rarely get to fly in the early morning and it was superb. =C2-It really lets you see where your airplane needs tweaking in trim... I think I need to add some more rudder trim to 41CC but had never really noticed it since most of my flying is in the bumpy afternoons. =C2-Not a hands-off airplane but I'll bet it could be pretty close to it if I took some time to work on refining it. =C2-Gosh, that will mean a lot more flying to get it figured out. Hard work, but somebody has to do it ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2- =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:06 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: mccauley vs. cloudcars prop [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon] On 07/28/2010 09:54 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Ya know, a Cloudcars prop cut for a flanged A-65 might help as well.... :) Yup. That thought did cross my mind, too. I kind of like my McCauley 74x42 prop, though. I'm guessing that I'd need a new one for the A75... Ok, let's take this discussion on yet another tangent: I meant to ask you - what RPM were you and Jack running from Poplar Grove to Olson? I think I was at about 2070 (or 1800 indicated on my tachometer). Were you much off of that? Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door From: "Phil" I'm still gathering info for my decision. One of the few concerns I have is access to the front cockpit. I see that very few Piets seem to have built some kind of door, or at least a lower coaming for the front cockpit. Are there reasons for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? It seems that either a small door, or even just a lowered side on one side, would ease entry and exit. Does anyone have a door? Does it help or not that much? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306563#306563 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photos from Brodhead 2010 From: "coxwelljon" Great pictures Billy. You really captured the spirit of the event. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306564#306564 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Door or not to Door From: "coxwelljon" Dale McClesky's wood version GN-1 had a door and he gave me a ride at Brodhead. This is the first time I have been in the front cockpit even though I have a 70% complete GN-1. I will definitely make the conversion before I cover the fuselage. I am 67, fairly limber, but I would have had a difficult time getting into the front without the door. Dale said his GN-1 plans showed the door, mine do not for the wood version but do on the steel tube fuselage. One can pretty well interpret what to do from there as the tubing layout almost exactly follows the wood version except for the door. I think there have been plan modifications for the Piet as well which one can find on the internet. If one wants to hop passengers I think the door is a real advantage. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306567#306567 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a log From: "Billy McCaskill" You should see Dan's prop in person, Jeff. It's a work of art, and the perfect crowning touch to the rest of his flawless Piet! -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tailfeathers almost done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306568#306568 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:15 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door We are not flying yet but we have the door. My son=2C Mike and I decided t hat if I=2C at age 71 with a previously broken back and bad knee=2C were to ever get into the front seat we would have to have the access door. We co mpensated for the added weight by routing out some of the support members t o make them I beams. This aircraft is somewhat over built as plans built s o the loss of wood in not missed and is not a strength factor. We are happ y with our decision and would send you info as to where to get the plans an d photos of our execution of them. Good luck with your build. We are having a ball with ours. Hope to see yo u at a show some day. Vic NX414MV do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door > From: hopkinsp2@gmail.com > Date: Wed=2C 28 Jul 2010 08:35:08 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > I'm still gathering info for my decision. One of the few concerns I have is access to the front cockpit. I see that very few Piets seem to have buil t some kind of door=2C or at least a lower coaming for the front cockpit. A re there reasons for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? It seems that eithe r a small door=2C or even just a lowered side on one side=2C would ease ent ry and exit. Does anyone have a door? Does it help or not that much? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306563#306563 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:15 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Door or not to Door Jon I have a door in the front pit and it makes it a lot easier. The way I did it was to add an extra longeron 7 inches lower than plans from the firewall back to behind the rear seat. I also have the 26 inch wide fuse. Empty wt is 750 lbs. Cheers, Gardiner Mason NX 840 LM ----- Original Message ---- From: coxwelljon Sent: Wed, July 28, 2010 12:02:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Door or not to Door Dale McClesky's wood version GN-1 had a door and he gave me a ride at Brodhead. This is the first time I have been in the front cockpit even though I have a 70% complete GN-1. I will definitely make the conversion before I cover the fuselage. I am 67, fairly limber, but I would have had a difficult time getting into the front without the door. Dale said his GN-1 plans showed the door, mine do not for the wood version but do on the steel tube fuselage. One can pretty well interpret what to do from there as the tubing layout almost exactly follows the wood version except for the door. I think there have been plan modifications for the Piet as well which one can find on the internet. If one wants to hop passengers I think the door is a real advantage. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306567#306567 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday morning wi From: "Billy McCaskill" Here's a picture I took of Jess in the front seat with Mike C. at the controls... Definitely looks like they are having fun! -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tailfeathers almost done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306572#306572 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n502r_732.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:42 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: mccauley vs. cloudcars prop [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon] Dan, Ryan and I were running about 2000 RPM to keep from running over Dan Helsper in his Model A powered Piet. I occasionally had to throttle back to 1900 as we still got too close every now and then. Still sitting in west Tennessee waiting for the weather to improve in North Carolina so I can fly the RV-4 home. Gotta get out of here before my mother puts another 15 pounds on me, feeding me all my favorite foods. I hope to be home by Friday. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:33 AM Subject: mccauley vs. cloudcars prop [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon] On 07/28/2010 09:54 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Ya know, a Cloudcars prop cut for a flanged A-65 might help as well.... :) Yup. That thought did cross my mind, too. I kind of like my McCauley 74x42 prop, though. I'm guessing that I'd need a new one for the A75... Ok, let's take this discussion on yet another tangent: I meant to ask you - what RPM were you and Jack running from Poplar Grove to Olson? I think I was at about 2070 (or 1800 indicated on my tachometer). Were you much off of that? Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:01 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: mccauley vs. cloudcars prop [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon] On 07/28/2010 11:29 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > Dan, > > Ryan and I were running about 2000 RPM to keep from running over Dan Helsper > in his Model A powered Piet. I occasionally had to throttle back to 1900 as > we still got too close every now and then. > > Still sitting in west Tennessee waiting for the weather to improve in North > Carolina so I can fly the RV-4 home. Gotta get out of here before my mother > puts another 15 pounds on me, feeding me all my favorite foods. I hope to > be home by Friday. Hi Jack, Hope that weather clears out for you... if only so you don't max out the gross weight on your Piet. ;-) From Brodhead to Poplar Grove I was running 1700 indicated, which is really about 1950 true RPM. What about after we dropped Dan H. off? What RPM were you running between Poplar Grove and Olson? I kept mine steady at 1800 indicated, or 2070 true. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:36 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door Phil, You've gotten a few responses in favor of a door. Let me give some arguments against it, so you can judge for yourself. Pietenpols don't handle weight very well. A small addition in weight makes a big impact on performance. Adding a door requires cutting the main structural member of the fuselage and requires adding a substantial amount of structure to replace the lost strength and stiffness. There are very few lightweight passengers that would require a door. The ones that are heavy enough to have trouble climbing in without a door are likely too heavy to carry well. I use the lack of a door as a screen to prevent taking the most obese passengers, without having to tel them they are simply too heavy to fly. Just something to think about. "Simplicate and add Lightness" Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door I'm still gathering info for my decision. One of the few concerns I have is access to the front cockpit. I see that very few Piets seem to have built some kind of door, or at least a lower coaming for the front cockpit. Are there reasons for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? It seems that either a small door, or even just a lowered side on one side, would ease entry and exit. Does anyone have a door? Does it help or not that much? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306563#306563 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:15 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: mccauley vs. cloudcars prop [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon] After leaving Poplar Grove I was running 2150. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: Re: mccauley vs. cloudcars prop [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon] On 07/28/2010 11:29 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > Dan, > > Ryan and I were running about 2000 RPM to keep from running over Dan Helsper > in his Model A powered Piet. I occasionally had to throttle back to 1900 as > we still got too close every now and then. > > Still sitting in west Tennessee waiting for the weather to improve in North > Carolina so I can fly the RV-4 home. Gotta get out of here before my mother > puts another 15 pounds on me, feeding me all my favorite foods. I hope to > be home by Friday. Hi Jack, Hope that weather clears out for you... if only so you don't max out the gross weight on your Piet. ;-) From Brodhead to Poplar Grove I was running 1700 indicated, which is really about 1950 true RPM. What about after we dropped Dan H. off? What RPM were you running between Poplar Grove and Olson? I kept mine steady at 1800 indicated, or 2070 true. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door From: Ryan Mueller As Jack has mentioned, keeping the weight down is important. Our Piet appears to be built relatively close to the plans, and as such is a lighter airplane. It performs quite nicely....heck, it was able to haul over 1200 lbs out of Brodhead with an A-65 on a nice summer day. If I was to attempt to make it easier to get into or out of, I would much rather raise the cabanes a couple of inches than add all the weight that a front door would require. If you are going to use a Corvair you could probably handle the extra weight better because of having more power on tap, but I would still rather just keep the weight down and have an even better performing airplane. As Jack said, if you are too big to get in without a door then you are probably too heavy to fly in a Piet anyhow. If you are just not limber enough to get in the front with any amount of assistance, then a door is probably not going to make the difference between getting in or not. You still have to climb up inside, and negotiate struts, wires, the wing, etc.... Ryan On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > Phil, > > You've gotten a few responses in favor of a door. Let me give some > arguments against it, so you can judge for yourself. > > Pietenpols don't handle weight very well. A small addition in weight makes > a big impact on performance. Adding a door requires cutting the main > structural member of the fuselage and requires adding a substantial amount > of structure to replace the lost strength and stiffness. > > There are very few lightweight passengers that would require a door. The > ones that are heavy enough to have trouble climbing in without a door are > likely too heavy to carry well. I use the lack of a door as a screen to > prevent taking the most obese passengers, without having to tel them they > are simply too heavy to fly. > > Just something to think about. > > "Simplicate and add Lightness" > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:35 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door > > > I'm still gathering info for my decision. One of the few concerns I have > is > access to the front cockpit. I see that very few Piets seem to have built > some kind of door, or at least a lower coaming for the front cockpit. Are > there reasons for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? It seems that either > a > small door, or even just a lowered side on one side, would ease entry and > exit. Does anyone have a door? Does it help or not that much? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306563#306563 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jess having fun and Ryan's first ride on Sunday morning wi From: Ryan Mueller Awesome picture Billy. Thanks! Ryan do not archive On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Billy McCaskill wrote: > > Here's a picture I took of Jess in the front seat with Mike C. at the > controls... Definitely looks like they are having fun! > > -------- > Billy McCaskill > Urbana, IL > tailfeathers almost done > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306572#306572 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/n502r_732.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:08 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door Hi Phil, You have gotten=C2- quite a few responses to your question on door or not . I have added a door to my Piet in building (door plans from Keri Ann Price) and with out the door my wife with two artifical hip joints and one knee w ould not be able to get in. At our West Coast Piet gathering down at Frazie r Lake Charlie Miller, with a door in his Piet, gave my wife a ride. She wa s able to get in without problem with the door but would be prevented from flying in the Piet without it. I weighed all the parts as I built the door for my Piet, I did not rout out the excess wood as the door plans show, and it still added just a few ounc es less than 11 pounds. As I am building with a Corvair I think that is a f air trade for being able to take my wife for rides. Jim Wait until you too are in your 60's or 70's and not so limber; you'll appre ciate your door more then. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:35:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door I'm still gathering info for my decision. =C2-One of the few concerns I h ave is access to the front cockpit. =C2-I see that very few Piets seem to have built some kind of door, or at least a lower coaming for the front co ckpit. =C2-Are there reasons for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? =C2 -It seems that either a small door, or even just a lowered side on one si de, would ease entry and exit. =C2-Does anyone have a door? =C2-Does it help or not that much? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306563#306563 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:28 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door Another issue with gravitationally challenged passengers is that they tend to spill over the narrow front seat a bit and prevent full rudder pedal motion (in my plane, anyway). Made for an interesting crosswind roll-out one time... Not that that has much to do with a door. -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon From: "taildrags" Thanks for the replies. Sounds like a growing contingent of Piets out on the west coast. I may try snooping around with online phone books to see if I can get in touch with Rex in Klamath Falls. As to my A75, it does not have chromed cylinders... the bores were in good shape and only needed dressing after reconditioning. It pulls stronger than my A65, doesn't leak or burn oil, has GREAT oil pressure, and seems to be settling in after overhaul (still only about 30 hrs. on it). This one has the flanged hub for the prop; the 65 had a tapered hub. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306589#306589 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Door or not to Door From: "taildrags" Ryan; I'm interested in your comment about hauling 1200 lbs.- obviously you're running a higher gross weight than 41CC, which Corky registered as 1088 lbs. so that's what I have on all my paperwork. That's 102 lbs. difference; quite a bit. I have flown my airplane at gross with the A65 on a hot day and it was OK but no great shakes. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306591#306591 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:43 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: swapping rides Question for you guys who have had the pleasure of flying not only your Piet, but perhaps several others: what kinds of differences do you note between the different Piets you've flown? I ask the question because I saw Mike Cuy flying a "foreign" airplane with passenger and am curious to know how these planes might vary in handling. I'm certain that the airplane and propeller combo make a big difference, but what about just the flying and handling characteristics? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Door or not to Door From: Ryan Mueller It would seem the gross weight is a nebulous figure from aircraft to aircraft. You have A-65 powered Piets placarded in the mid 1000s, and then you have Corvair powered Piets in the mid 1200s. The Last Original, with the lower powered Pietenpol engine conversion (70hp according to the data plate), is placarded at 1282..... Ryan On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:53 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Ryan; I'm interested in your comment about hauling 1200 lbs.- obviously > you're running a higher gross weight than 41CC, which Corky registered as > 1088 lbs. so that's what I have on all my paperwork. That's 102 lbs. > difference; quite a bit. > > I have flown my airplane at gross with the A65 on a hot day and it was OK > but no great shakes. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > Air Camper NX41CC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306591#306591 > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Broadhead 2010 From: "Dale McCleskey" :D Jon and All, Thanks for what I'm telling people may well be the best weekend of my life. It was my first cross country in 35 years, my first cross country in the GN-1 Piet, first time to Brodhead, and I knew nobody. I've dreamed of going to Brodhead for many years but quietly and foolishly built away in my shop without going. You all made me so at home and I feel like I've got life-long friends out of the time. Sure plan to be there in an improved bird next year. Trip home was safe, but I'm thinking of writing a book about how not to do all the things I do. Thanks to Randy Bush I flew along with him and didn't worry about the stress of navigation for more than half the trip. Then discovered that my whiskey compass was insane. No matter what course I flew, it showed 120 degrees. Ouch. Praise God for GPS. Sunday afternoon flew on to Hopkinsville, Kentucky. Just a little more than an hour from home, but since for some reason I hadn't gotten much sleep at Brodhead, I made a good PIC decision. Kid from the FBO took me to Best Western and after some ribs at Applebees (that weren't near as good as the food at Brodhead) I was out like a light by 7:30. Flew on in without incident on an IFR (Interstate 24 actually) flight plan. Now feeling more rested but the Piet grin persists. Thanks again all you wonderful folks. Hope to see you next year and Jon, I hope to go for a ride in the front of your plane. Do not archive. -------- Dale McCleskey Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306596#306596 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:01 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Broadhead 2010 Dale it was nice to meet you. Sorry Randy and I didn't hook up with you on the way up from Tennessee, but glad you made it in safely. I'm already beginning to plan for next year's trip to Brodhead. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale McCleskey Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Broadhead 2010 :D Jon and All, Thanks for what I'm telling people may well be the best weekend of my life. It was my first cross country in 35 years, my first cross country in the GN-1 Piet, first time to Brodhead, and I knew nobody. I've dreamed of going to Brodhead for many years but quietly and foolishly built away in my shop without going. You all made me so at home and I feel like I've got life-long friends out of the time. Sure plan to be there in an improved bird next year. Trip home was safe, but I'm thinking of writing a book about how not to do all the things I do. Thanks to Randy Bush I flew along with him and didn't worry about the stress of navigation for more than half the trip. Then discovered that my whiskey compass was insane. No matter what course I flew, it showed 120 degrees. Ouch. Praise God for GPS. Sunday afternoon flew on to Hopkinsville, Kentucky. Just a little more than an hour from home, but since for some reason I hadn't gotten much sleep at Brodhead, I made a good PIC decision. Kid from the FBO took me to Best Western and after some ribs at Applebees (that weren't near as good as the food at Brodhead) I was out like a light by 7:30. Flew on in without incident on an IFR (Interstate 24 actually) flight plan. Now feeling more rested but the Piet grin persists. Thanks again all you wonderful folks. Hope to see you next year and Jon, I hope to go for a ride in the front of your plane. Do not archive. -------- Dale McCleskey Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306596#306596 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:20 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Door or not to Door Hi Ryan, et al; The differing gross weights make sense considering the empty weights vary g reatly. Mike Cuy I think said his empty weight was 632lbs while Dick Navrat il's new Piet with the radial is 810lbs. Put two 200lb people in each one a nd you have 1032lbs and 1210lbs respectively. some Piets have longer center sections for more fuel but also benefit from more wing area. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Mueller" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:31:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Door or not to Door It would seem the gross weight is a nebulous figure from aircraft to aircra ft. You have A-65 powered Piets placarded in the mid 1000s, and then you ha ve Corvair powered Piets in the mid 1200s. The Last Original, with the lowe r powered Pietenpol engine conversion (70hp according to the data plate), i s placarded at 1282..... Ryan On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:53 PM, taildrags < taildrags@hotmail.com > wrote : Ryan; I'm interested in your comment about hauling 1200 lbs.- obviously you 're running a higher gross weight than 41CC, which Corky registered as 1088 lbs. so that's what I have on all my paperwork. =C2-That's 102 lbs. diff erence; quite a bit. I have flown my airplane at gross with the A65 on a hot day and it was OK b ut no great shakes. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306591#306591 =========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =========== http://forums.matronics.com =========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== == ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:08 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: swapping rides Hi Oscar, That's a good question and one that has not been discussed much that I know of. I have flown four Air Campers: 1. A GN-1 built by Mike Lucky back in 1975 (I thought it was a Pietenpol), that he had just finished and asked me to help fly off some of the test time on it. It had a Continental 65 and wire wheels and flew very well. It flew almost exactly like the J-3 Cub that I owned at the time. Cruise was about 75 mph and climb was a spritely 350 fpm. 2. Mike Cuy's NX48MC. It had been a little over 25 years since I last flew an Air Camper so I didn't have much to compare it to. It flew very well, but the main thing I remember was my tendency to land it about 3 feet off the ground. Until he told me to come in a bit faster and not flare until I was just above the ground, I was always dropping it in. Climb was OK with one person on board, not so good with two. 3. My own Icarus Plummet (NX899JP). It flies very much like Mike Cuy's, which should be expected since they both have wire wheels, straight axles and Continental 65's. The biggest difference is that mine weighs 120 lbs more than Mike's, and the climb rate is not as good. My deck angle is also a bit higher than his (21" wheels versus his 19" wheels) and the result is that mine is slightly more difficult to land. I usually wheel land mine because it is very difficult to get 3 good 3-point landings in a row with it. With me alone I can get about 400 fpm climb and the cruise is about 72. With a 200 pounder in the front seat on a hot day, I get a good solid 100 fpm climb. 4. Ryan Mueller's N502R, which I ferried to Brodhead for him. This is the best flying Pietenpol I have flown. It is not quite as light as Mike Cuy's (645 lbs compared to Cuy's 632 lbs) but it has a Jay Anderson CloudCars prop that gives it superlative performance. Like every other Pietenpol I've flown, it has a Continental A65 for power. The big difference it had from the others is that when I picked it up in Tennessee and flew it for the first time I was appalled at the very heavy and un-responsive ailerons. I looked out and realized they had no gap seals. Once I landed the very first thing I did was to apply blue painter's tape to seal the gaps and the result was astonishing - about double the roll rate and half the stick-force required to move the ailerons. I had read about the benefits of sealing the gaps, but had never flown one without gap seals. It is a HUGE difference. With that prop it climbs very well with one person and not bad with two. When Ryan and I left Brodhead Sunday we weighed 1165 lbs and climbed at about 200 fpm. Cruise at 2150 RPM indicates 77 mph and I believe it to be accurate. I had to throttle back for Randy Bush to keep up with his Corvair powered Pietenpol. I'd like to fly a Corvair powered Pietenpol and a Model A powered one, as long as it is in the midwest where there are plenty of good fields for a forced landing. Hope this helps answer your question, Oscar. Perhaps some others with more experience flying other Pietenpols, such as Lowell Frank, Andrew King or Frank Pavliga will chime in as well. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: swapping rides Question for you guys who have had the pleasure of flying not only your Piet, but perhaps several others: what kinds of differences do you note between the different Piets you've flown? I ask the question because I saw Mike Cuy flying a "foreign" airplane with passenger and am curious to know how these planes might vary in handling. I'm certain that the airplane and propeller combo make a big difference, but what about just the flying and handling characteristics? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Door or not to Door From: "Phil" This is a great list. Ask a question, get lots of help quickly! I'm not worried about gravitationally challenged passengers. I'm about FAA normal, and the passengers I'll be taking up regularly are all smaller than me. But I am worried about less limber passengers. My wife, for instance, is one of those. Smaller than me, but stiff. None of us are as young as we used to be. So, to rehearse, there's arguments for and against, and my options seem to be to leave it alone, raise the wing (am I getting that right? with the suggestion to add a couple of inches on to the cabanes? does raising the wing change weight and balance or flying characteristics? ), or put in a door. How about just adding a kind of door cut out without an actual door? I would still have to beef up the structure there, as I'd be interrupting the top longeron, but it seems that this is doable at small increase in weight. Is it just too freaky for passengers to have a bit lower structure on one side of them? It seems that at least for some, being able to get the legs in over a lower sill, as it were, helps enough in mounting/dismounting for less limber passengers to make a significant difference (the difference between going flying or just not because it's too hard to get in). It's interesting to see more people with doors than I thought there were. I know of Keri Ann's plans. Vic, if you used a different plan, I'd sure appreciate seeing it and any pics. I am thinking Corvair, but if a nice A65 or, better, C75 were to fall into my lap, I wouldn't kick her out. Thanks again for all the info so far. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306604#306604 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:51 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: swapping rides Jack: You should have indicated that those were "bean fields" as, apparently, these are the only off-airport sites where Corvair powered Piet's are welcome. Tom Stinemetze N328X do not archive >>> "Jack Phillips" 7/28/2010 2:41 PM >>> I'd like to fly a Corvair powered Pietenpol and a Model A powered one, as long as it is in the midwest where there are plenty of good fields for a forced landing. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:31 PM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Door or not to Door We used her plans=2C very well done and strong. We did rout out and theref ore will be lighter than those who did not by a couple of pounds or so. Sh e shows a X member inside the door. If we were to do it over we would leav e that out or lighten it up a bit and save a few ounces. We also raised t he rear deck=2C top or the front an inch as well as raising the cabanes a b it. This all gives a bit more room without much gross weight gain. Other than those mods the plane is built to plan. We are running a 65 corvair. As I have said=2C we are still in the building stages and do not have the experience of Jack and some of the flying guys. We too are mindful of the fact this is not a super plane and one must watch the weight as you do on a Cessna 150 or any small plane. vic do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: To Door or not to Door > From: hopkinsp2@gmail.com > Date: Wed=2C 28 Jul 2010 13:23:52 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > This is a great list. Ask a question=2C get lots of help quickly! > > I'm not worried about gravitationally challenged passengers. I'm about FA A normal=2C and the passengers I'll be taking up regularly are all smaller than me. But I am worried about less limber passengers. My wife=2C for inst ance=2C is one of those. Smaller than me=2C but stiff. None of us are as yo ung as we used to be. > > So=2C to rehearse=2C there's arguments for and against=2C and my options seem to be to leave it alone=2C raise the wing (am I getting that right? wi th the suggestion to add a couple of inches on to the cabanes? does raising the wing change weight and balance or flying characteristics? )=2C or put in a door. > > How about just adding a kind of door cut out without an actual door? I wo uld still have to beef up the structure there=2C as I'd be interrupting the top longeron=2C but it seems that this is doable at small increase in weig ht. Is it just too freaky for passengers to have a bit lower structure on o ne side of them? > > It seems that at least for some=2C being able to get the legs in over a l ower sill=2C as it were=2C helps enough in mounting/dismounting for less li mber passengers to make a significant difference (the difference between go ing flying or just not because it's too hard to get in). > > It's interesting to see more people with doors than I thought there were. > > I know of Keri Ann's plans. Vic=2C if you used a different plan=2C I'd su re appreciate seeing it and any pics. > > I am thinking Corvair=2C but if a nice A65 or=2C better=2C C75 were to fa ll into my lap=2C I wouldn't kick her out. > > Thanks again for all the info so far. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306604#306604 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:05 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door I responded to the question about a front door, and I am in favor of it. It also makes it easier to work on the front pit to the firewall, Also when I saw Kevins plane at Brodhead He had a door panel just behind the firewall to give access to the rudder pedals. A very good idea and I am going to put one in. Gardiner mason ________________________________ From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Wed, July 28, 2010 12:58:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door As Jack has mentioned, keeping the weight down is important. Our Piet appears to be built relatively close to the plans, and as such is a lighter airplane. It performs quite nicely....heck, it was able to haul over 1200 lbs out of Brodhead with an A-65 on a nice summer day. If I was to attempt to make it easier to get into or out of, I would much rather raise the cabanes a couple of inches than add all the weight that a front door would require. If you are going to use a Corvair you could probably handle the extra weight better because of having more power on tap, but I would still rather just keep the weight down and have an even better performing airplane. As Jack said, if you are too big to get in without a door then you are probably too heavy to fly in a Piet anyhow. If you are just not limber enough to get in the front with any amount of assistance, then a door is probably not going to make the difference between getting in or not. You still have to climb up inside, and negotiate struts, wires, the wing, etc.... Ryan On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > >Phil, > >You've gotten a few responses in favor of a door. Let me give some >arguments against it, so you can judge for yourself. > >Pietenpols don't handle weight very well. A small addition in weight makes >a big impact on performance. Adding a door requires cutting the main >structural member of the fuselage and requires adding a substantial amount >of structure to replace the lost strength and stiffness. > >There are very few lightweight passengers that would require a door. The >ones that are heavy enough to have trouble climbing in without a door are >likely too heavy to carry well. I use the lack of a door as a screen to >prevent taking the most obese passengers, without having to tel them they >are simply too heavy to fly. > >Just something to think about. > >"Simplicate and add Lightness" > > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil >Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:35 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: To Door or not to Door > > > >I'm still gathering info for my decision. One of the few concerns I have is >access to the front cockpit. I see that very few Piets seem to have built >some kind of door, or at least a lower coaming for the front cockpit. Are >there reasons for this of which I'm sorely ignorant? It seems that either a >small door, or even just a lowered side on one side, would ease entry and >exit. Does anyone have a door? Does it help or not that much? > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306563#306563 > > >======================= >st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >========== >http://forums.matronics.com >========== >le, List Admin. >="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >========== > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:10 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: progress! Got home all fired up and the engine mount is done, the firewall is done and the engine is hanging on the mount!! Brodhead or bust!! (not sure what year though...) Douwe ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:29 PM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon Jim and the bunch, There is also a Piet flying out of Petaluma. He's been over to Schellville, but I haven't seen him yet. Darrel On 7/28/2010 8:21 AM, Jim Boyer wrote: > > Hello Oscar, > > There is a flying Piet in Chico, CA. Don't know the owners name but > found out about it on this site couple of months ago. > > Also there is Irwin Furst somewhere in the Lincoln, CA (Sacramento > area) with a flying Piet. > > Then there is the group of us starting with Chris Tracy, Carmichael, > Gary Boothe, Cool, Michael Weaver, Lincoln, me in Santa Rosa, and Vic > and Michael Groah, Tulare all building Piets. Vic and Michael are > about ready for cover and Chris and Gary should also be close. > > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oscar Zuniga" > To: "Pietenpol List" > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:33:09 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in N. California/So. Oregon > > > > Anybody know of any Piets or builders in the northern > California or southern Oregon area? I just noticed a > note from Rex Ervin in Klamath Falls, Oregon in the > latest BPA newsletter inquiring about this. I'd also > like to know if anyone knows Rex and can maybe put me > in contact with him? Thanks. > > PS, had one of the smoothest flights ever in > my airplane the other morning. I rarely get to fly in > the early morning and it was superb. It really lets > you see where your airplane needs tweaking in trim... > I think I need to add some more rudder trim to 41CC > but had never really noticed it since most of my > flying is in the bumpy afternoons. Not a hands-off > airplane but I'll bet it could be pretty close to it > if I took some time to work on refining it. Gosh, > that will mean a lot more flying to get it figured out. > Hard work, but somebody has to do it ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net &nbbsp; -Matt > Dralle, List Adm======== > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:53 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a log entry Dan=2C beautiful=2C beautiful airplane (even if you did steal my paint sche me)!!! I love the photo of "The Farting Bratmen"=2C it is a wonderful meme nto=2C especially since I (ahem) don't have any photos of my own. (inside jab=2C totally joking) I have to say that I had more fun at this fly-in th an any I can remember. We laughed ourselves silly over the Hitler video=2C we jumped in to help Kevin get back into the air within hours (well=2C he could have)=2C we ate brats=2C we drank beer (just a little bit)=2C we end ured the endless overnight thunderstorms=2C and we each wet ourselves a lit tle bit at the howitzer shot at 4am on saturday! I will never forget a sec ond of any of it!! I cannot wait until next year=2C and I am heading out t he first thing in the morning to get to work to make sure there is another black and yellow german at Brodhead next year. Thank you all for the memories=2C my friends=2C more to come . . . . Gene Rambo Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH. ..a log entry From: helspersew@aol.com Hello all you good people=2C I finally was able to catch my breath after returning from Brodhead=2C to d o a little writing. Got up early on Friday. Kept checking the weather radar every 15 minutes... ............watching that stationary front=2C was agonizing. Had to wait ti ll 12 noon on Friday to depart=2C since my home-made prop could not tolerat e one drop of rain. At 12:15=2C was finally able to start-er up=2C and taxi out to runway. As I took-off=2C and ventured away from the Poplar Grove Ai rport perimeter=2C I got a lump in my throat and a knot in my stomach. I sa id to myself..."now I know how Charles Lindbergh felt when he left the secu rity of the land beneath him (Nova Scotia)=2C and ventured out over the Atl antic"..............there was no turning back now.................... very nervous along the way.... kept checking the oil pressure=2C water temp.=2C and picking out emergency landing fields on the ground along the way....... ..over and over and over again............ took comfort in the repetitive r eport=2C from the sound of my Ford model A ............. ........"pockita- pockita-pockita-pockita".....Finally was able to settle down=2C look down =2C and appreciate God's creation....How beautiful she is!!! WOW!!! ....... .was using my GPS to stay on course.....after about 35 minutes=2C got close enough to spot the airfield at Brodhead.......turned off the GPS=2C and as I approached closer=2C lowered the nose=2C increased airspeed=2C and came roaring-in over the treetops to surprise the crowd!!!!........it was specta cular.!!!! ... Made a tight right-hand turn=2C.... and then a left....... t hen hard-over for a 45-degree- bank=2C 360 turn right over the crowd at low level....... came-around.... and landed.....taxied -in and shut-er down ri ght in front of the crowd......before I could remove my goggles and leather helmet=2C I was getting an ovation......WOW!!!.......ten years of building finally paid-off!!! Thanks to all for the support and encouragement along the way=2C from every body on this list. I don't know about you all=2C but I am addicted to this list=2C and I consider you all among my good friends=2C even though I have never met many of you. This list and it's people is what kept me going thro ugh the years=2C when I was stuck or discouraged. Those few days when nobod y wrote in were very depressing for me. So keep writing. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove=2C IL. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:58 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH...a log entry oh=2C and Dan=2C I am sure that to you you "roared" over the treetops=2C bu t remember "pockita=2C pockita=2C pockita" is all we ever hear on the groun d! =3B) Gene do not archive Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight report- First Flight into Brodhead NX929DH. ..a log entry From: helspersew@aol.com Hello all you good people=2C I finally was able to catch my breath after returning from Brodhead=2C to d o a little writing. Got up early on Friday. Kept checking the weather radar every 15 minutes... ............watching that stationary front=2C was agonizing. Had to wait ti ll 12 noon on Friday to depart=2C since my home-made prop could not tolerat e one drop of rain. At 12:15=2C was finally able to start-er up=2C and taxi out to runway. As I took-off=2C and ventured away from the Poplar Grove Ai rport perimeter=2C I got a lump in my throat and a knot in my stomach. I sa id to myself..."now I know how Charles Lindbergh felt when he left the secu rity of the land beneath him (Nova Scotia)=2C and ventured out over the Atl antic"..............there was no turning back now.................... very nervous along the way.... kept checking the oil pressure=2C water temp.=2C and picking out emergency landing fields on the ground along the way....... ..over and over and over again............ took comfort in the repetitive r eport=2C from the sound of my Ford model A ............. ........"pockita- pockita-pockita-pockita".....Finally was able to settle down=2C look down =2C and appreciate God's creation....How beautiful she is!!! WOW!!! ....... .was using my GPS to stay on course.....after about 35 minutes=2C got close enough to spot the airfield at Brodhead.......turned off the GPS=2C and as I approached closer=2C lowered the nose=2C increased airspeed=2C and came roaring-in over the treetops to surprise the crowd!!!!........it was specta cular.!!!! ... Made a tight right-hand turn=2C.... and then a left....... t hen hard-over for a 45-degree- bank=2C 360 turn right over the crowd at low level....... came-around.... and landed.....taxied -in and shut-er down ri ght in front of the crowd......before I could remove my goggles and leather helmet=2C I was getting an ovation......WOW!!!.......ten years of building finally paid-off!!! Thanks to all for the support and encouragement along the way=2C from every body on this list. I don't know about you all=2C but I am addicted to this list=2C and I consider you all among my good friends=2C even though I have never met many of you. This list and it's people is what kept me going thro ugh the years=2C when I was stuck or discouraged. Those few days when nobod y wrote in were very depressing for me. So keep writing. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove=2C IL. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:10 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: progress! We just got home tonight, and I can't wait to get out to the airport and fly! Nice meeting you Douwe. Ben Charvet Do not archive On 7/28/2010 9:32 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" > > Got home all fired up and the engine mount is done, the firewall is done and > the engine is hanging on the mount!! > > Brodhead or bust!! (not sure what year though...) > > Douwe > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: progress! From: "Billy McCaskill" I got home all fired up to get back on my Piet build too, only to realize that my garage needs a very thorough cleaning and re-organizing before I can do anything. Seems that in the year since I've last worked on it, I have totally cluttered up my workspace with much extraneous stuff. I can't even see the top of my table saw. :( And since I'm leaving Friday for two weeks, I don't think that the garage will get cleaned until I return. I did study my blueprints tonight and did a quick inventory of wood on hand though. I guess that's better than not doing anything... And now I am about to watch Dan Helsper's excellent prop carving CD presentation again while the wife works on her nursing homework. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tailfeathers almost done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306632#306632 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan's Prop From: John Fay Dan, Is it still possible to get your CD about carving a prop? Your prop looked good in pictures, but seeing it right there in front of my eyes was a truly moving experience. 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