Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 08/01/10


Total Messages Posted: 32



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:40 AM - Elevator cable slack (Jerry Dotson)
     2. 05:32 AM - Re: Elevator cable slack (Jack Phillips)
     3. 05:56 AM - Re: Elevator cable slack (Ben Charvet)
     4. 06:47 AM - Re: Crash - Long Post (PatrickW)
     5. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Crash - Long Post (Dan Yocum)
     6. 07:34 AM - Re: project progress update (Bill Church)
     7. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: project progress update (Kip and Beth Gardner)
     8. 11:38 AM - Gerald Thornhill Prop Carving Presentation Oshkosh (dwilson)
     9. 11:43 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiAoQ1MpsiB0LXNoaXJ0cw==? (Rick Holland)
    10. 11:56 AM - Re: project progress update (Jim Boyer)
    11. 12:57 PM - Re: Broadhead 2010 (Dale McCleskey)
    12. 01:09 PM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:__Re:_Pietenpol-List:_=28CS=29=B2_t-shir?= 	=?iso-8859-1?Q?ts? (Gary Boothe)
    13. 01:14 PM - spark plug securing (airlion)
    14. 01:18 PM - Re: project progress update (Gary Boothe)
    15. 01:21 PM - Re: spark plug securing (Gary Boothe)
    16. 01:39 PM - Re: project progress update (Jack Phillips)
    17. 01:44 PM - Re: spark plug securing (airlion)
    18. 02:19 PM - Re: project progress update (Gary Boothe)
    19. 02:45 PM - Re: project progress update (airlion)
    20. 05:21 PM - Re: spark plug securing (shad bell)
    21. 05:29 PM - Re: Re: Crash - Long Post (shad bell)
    22. 05:30 PM - Re: Elevator cable slack (shad bell)
    23. 05:49 PM - Re: Gerald Thornhill Prop Carving Presentation Oshkosh (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    24. 06:12 PM - Re: project progress update (Michael Groah)
    25. 06:25 PM - Re: Gerald Thornhill Prop Carving Presentation Oshkosh (helspersew@aol.com)
    26. 06:36 PM - Re: project progress update (Michael Groah)
    27. 07:09 PM - Re: project progress update (Gary Boothe)
    28. 08:28 PM - Re: Gerald Thornhill Prop Carving Presentation Oshkosh (dwilson)
    29. 09:26 PM - Landing gear in the plans (j_dunavin)
    30. 10:12 PM - Re: Gerald Thornhill Prop Carving Presentation Oshkosh (Billy McCaskill)
    31. 11:02 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
    32. 11:07 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:40:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Elevator cable slack
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@erec.net>
    I have read in the archives about slack cables and it seems that it is pretty much universal to the Pietenpol. Mine are tight(just right) at full down elevator, then the lower cables start going slack as the elevator is raised getting the most slack in the center position, then as you go to full up elevator they begin to pull most of the slack out as you reach full up. I can do cosmetics with some light springs holding up on the cables. Why I am posting is flutter possibilities. I think I am worrying over nothing, just needing reassurance that they all get slack more or less! -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307021#307021


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    Time: 05:32:19 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Elevator cable slack
    You are worrying about nothing, Jerry. Every Piet I've seen has some slack in the cables somewhere in the range of motion. I've never heard of flutter problems in a Pietenpol (or any other airplane as slow as a Piet). Don't add springs or anything other than a little leather patch on the leading edge of each stabilizer to prvent the cable from chafing the fabric, and go out and fly the thing. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 6:40 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator cable slack I have read in the archives about slack cables and it seems that it is pretty much universal to the Pietenpol. Mine are tight(just right) at full down elevator, then the lower cables start going slack as the elevator is raised getting the most slack in the center position, then as you go to full up elevator they begin to pull most of the slack out as you reach full up. I can do cosmetics with some light springs holding up on the cables. Why I am posting is flutter possibilities. I think I am worrying over nothing, just needing reassurance that they all get slack more or less! -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307021#307021


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    Time: 05:56:10 AM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Elevator cable slack
    Mine work the same way. I guess its just the geometry of the design, but I haven't noticed it causing any problems. Ben n 8/1/2010 6:40 AM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"<jdotson@erec.net> > > I have read in the archives about slack cables and it seems that it is pretty much universal to the Pietenpol. Mine are tight(just right) at full down elevator, then the lower cables start going slack as the elevator is raised getting the most slack in the center position, then as you go to full up elevator they begin to pull most of the slack out as you reach full up. I can do cosmetics with some light springs holding up on the cables. Why I am posting is flutter possibilities. I think I am worrying over nothing, just needing reassurance that they all get slack more or less! > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > Ribs and tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307021#307021 > > >


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    Time: 06:47:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Crash - Long Post
    From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
    My wife snapped this photo at the Moment of Truth. - Pat -------- Patrick XL/650/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307034#307034 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kp_2010_194.jpg


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    Time: 07:12:50 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: Crash - Long Post
    He slid on that wheel for a looong time. I thought for sure that the gear was going to hold... and then the wing settled real easy like on to the ground and the whole plane spun around almost in line with Ryan, mine, and Perry's. Dan On 08/01/2010 08:46 AM, PatrickW wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "PatrickW"<pwhoyt@yahoo.com> > > My wife snapped this photo at the Moment of Truth. > > - Pat -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 07:34:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: project progress update
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Mike wrote: "The ring gear is up front and is a standard WW part along with the starter he recommends (with his nose gear)." Personally I think that nose gear on a Pietenpol would look horrible. Keep it as a taildragger... Seriously, though, it looks like you guys "nailed it" in designing your Piet/Corvair cowling. Really nice. Bill C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307040#307040


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    Time: 08:28:59 AM PST US
    From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: project progress update
    Nice job Mike, I'm saving the photo for future reference. Kip Gardner On Aug 1, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Bill Church wrote: > <billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Mike wrote: > "The ring gear is up front and is a standard WW part along with the > starter he recommends (with his nose gear)." > > Personally I think that nose gear on a Pietenpol would look > horrible. Keep it as a taildragger... > > Seriously, though, it looks like you guys "nailed it" in designing > your Piet/Corvair cowling. > Really nice. > > Bill C > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307040#307040 > >


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    Time: 11:38:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Gerald Thornhill Prop Carving Presentation Oshkosh
    From: "dwilson" <marwilson@charter.net>
    Greetings! If you attended the prop carving presentation by Jerry Thornhill at Oshkosh and wanted to create your own prop please feel free to use this spreadsheet to perform the calculations. The results match the handouts that he provided at Oshkosh. The notes on the page are my own from his presentation. Let me know if you need additional information. Anyone have a picture of Jerry's prop they could post ? dwilson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307065#307065


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    Time: 11:43:22 AM PST US
    Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiAoQ1MpsiB0LXNoaXJ0cw==?
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    I would be interested also. I wonder what WW will think of this? rick On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi John, > > I should have known you were the one doing the crank snapping shirts. I > definitely want at least one. > > Thanks and it was nice seeing you at Brodhead. > > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hofmann" <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:21:17 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (CS)=B2 t-shirts > > Actually, yes I am. I am just about finished. I have been revamping my > website and will post them in the next week or so as I have a bit of time > while on vacation this week. > > -john- > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2424 American Lane > Madison, WI 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > > On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:29 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > > *Hey Bratman; are you really making up some "Crank Snappin' Corvair > Society" t-shirts to sell? I would like to be first in line if you are. > * > ** > *We should get somebody with artistic skills to make up a (CS)=B2 logo fo r > us to emblazon with pride on our Corvair powered birds. Maybe Karetaker > Aero as he's obviously had some practice at it. By the way, the new Hitl er > spoof had me rollin' on the floor when the boss walked in. Embarrassing but > worth it.* > ** > *Tom Stinemetze* > *N328X* > *or maybe N328 x (CS)=B2* > ** > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution > * > > > * > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 11:56:27 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: project progress update
    Well Gary or Chris maybe; I'd have to fly minus a few parts to be first. Jim Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:23:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Thank you everyone for the positive comments on our cowling. The ring gear is up front and is a standard WW part along with the starter he recommends (with his nose gear).=C2- Although the starter is in stock form (not modi fied for low clearance as WW sells so we probably could have gotten the top down a little lower if we had done that). As my dad said it all fits in th ere somehow.=C2- I had a certain look I wanted that included a rounded no se and bottom and a tight fit around the engine.=C2- We've managed to get most of the look i wanted with a few adjustments to conform with reality. =C2- While my dad won't be able to work on the plane for a couple weeks a s he said, I will keep working on it as time allows.=C2- Hopefully I'll h ave it ready and we can run it together when he is available to work on it again.=C2- If we don't keep working on it Gary Boothe, Jim Boyer, or Chri s Tracy is going to beat us into the air out here in California! Mike Groah From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> Sent: Sat, July 31, 2010 2:22:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Wow, that is surprising. It sure doesn't look like there is room for the ri ng gear in there. Any other pics would be greatly appreciated. Are you driv ing the dynamo/alternator off the rear? Thanks Vic, Ryan On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:07 PM, V Groah < vgroah@hotmail.com > wrote: Just a note,=C2-the starter is in the=C2-front in=C2-the normal Corvi ar position.=C2- Unfortunatly no press, just hand formed.=C2- VG =C2- From: boyerjrb@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Hi Mike, Your cowling is looking good. Making it out of aluminium has got to be a re al challenge; you and your dad Vic are doing a nice job of it. Now if you just had a 200 ton hydropress for the small stuff. We had one at the Boeing plant I worked at and boy would that have made cowling and stee l fitting easy. Thats what my nightmares are made of. Cheers, Jim =C2- =C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Groah" < dskogrover@yahoo.com > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:28:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: project progress update I don't post very often, as I like to sit back and just soak up the informa tion from everyone else, but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress on m y cowl and I figured I'd let everyone else see too. All of the firewall forward stuff really ea ts a lot of time and seems like it doesn't show. Friends drop by hearing that we have been working on the plane and I'm sure they can't see any progress. We do although, have the engine just about ready t o run, as soon as I get the carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted. The cowl is getting closer, but there is still a bunch to do there as well. My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in Cali fornia, and may actually finish it one of these days! Anyways, I'm gonna go grab my wife and daughter and go enjoy the morning air flying the Piper. Keep building! Mike Groah Tulare CA st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp:// forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.c================= = ==


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    Time: 12:57:58 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Broadhead 2010
    From: "Dale McCleskey" <dale.mccleskey@lifeway.com>
    Thanks Dave, I enjoyed meeting and flying with your lovely spousal-unit. Sorry I didn't get to meet you. So many things are wonderful about the Pietenpol, but in my opinion nothing compares with taking others flying. So it was my joy. Hope to see you next year. Do not archive. Dale -------- Dale McCleskey Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307076#307076


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    Time: 01:09:12 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: 859-1?Q?RE:_Pietenpol-List:_Re:_Pietenpol-List:_=28CS=29=B2_t-shir?=
    =?iso-8859-1?Q?ts? Rick, I wondered the same thing, and sent WW an email, asking him! =85.I know he=92s been at AirVenture, and not sure whether to expect a response, or not=85 Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List: (CS)=B2 t-shirts I would be interested also. I wonder what WW will think of this? rick On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote: Hi John, I should have known you were the one doing the crank snapping shirts. I definitely want at least one. Thanks and it was nice seeing you at Brodhead. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hofmann" <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:21:17 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (CS)=B2 t-shirts Actually, yes I am. I am just about finished. I have been revamping my website and will post them in the next week or so as I have a bit of time while on vacation this week. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:29 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: Hey Bratman; are you really making up some "Crank Snappin' Corvair Society" t-shirts to sell? I would like to be first in line if you are. We should get somebody with artistic skills to make up a (CS)=B2 logo for us to emblazon with pride on our Corvair powered birds. Maybe Karetaker Aero as he's obviously had some practice at it. By the way, the new Hitler spoof had me rollin' on the floor when the boss walked in. Embarrassing but worth it. Tom Stinemetze N328X or maybe N328 x (CS)=B2 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontri bution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 01:14:54 PM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: spark plug securing
    On my last flight I had 2 plug wires come loose after take off in my corvair. It was exciting to say the least. Now I know it will fly on 4 cyls. Does anyone know of a way to secure the push down boots onto the plug? Gardiner --- On Sun, 8/1/10, Dale McCleskey <dale.mccleskey@lifeway.com> wrote: > From: Dale McCleskey <dale.mccleskey@lifeway.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Broadhead 2010 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 3:57 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Dale McCleskey" <dale.mccleskey@lifeway.com> > > Thanks Dave, I enjoyed meeting and flying with your lovely > spousal-unit. Sorry I didn't get to meet you. > > So many things are wonderful about the Pietenpol, but in my > opinion nothing compares with taking others flying. So it > was my joy. > > Hope to see you next year. > > Do not archive. > > Dale > > -------- > Dale McCleskey > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307076#307076 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > >


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    Time: 01:18:48 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: project progress update
    I'm right there with Mike & Vic.neck & neck.well.minus the wings, but that doesn't count.I'm going to see Mike tomorrow as I journey south.gotta' see this great looking cowling for myself! Finally finished my baggage cowl and door: Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Well Gary or Chris maybe; I'd have to fly minus a few parts to be first. Jim Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:23:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Thank you everyone for the positive comments on our cowling. The ring gear is up front and is a standard WW part along with the starter he recommends (with his nose gear). Although the starter is in stock form (not modified for low clearance as WW sells so we probably could have gotten the top down a little lower if we had done that). As my dad said it all fits in there somehow. I had a certain look I wanted that included a rounded nose and bottom and a tight fit around the engine. We've managed to get most of the look i wanted with a few adjustments to conform with reality. While my dad won't be able to work on the plane for a couple weeks as he said, I will keep working on it as time allows. Hopefully I'll have it ready and we can run it together when he is available to work on it again. If we don't keep working on it Gary Boothe, Jim Boyer, or Chris Tracy is going to beat us into the air out here in California! Mike Groah _____ From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> Sent: Sat, July 31, 2010 2:22:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Wow, that is surprising. It sure doesn't look like there is room for the ring gear in there. Any other pics would be greatly appreciated. Are you driving the dynamo/alternator off the rear? Thanks Vic, Ryan On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:07 PM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote: Just a note, the starter is in the front in the normal Corviar position. Unfortunatly no press, just hand formed. VG _____ From: boyerjrb@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Hi Mike, Your cowling is looking good. Making it out of aluminium has got to be a real challenge; you and your dad Vic are doing a nice job of it. Now if you just had a 200 ton hydropress for the small stuff. We had one at the Boeing plant I worked at and boy would that have made cowling and steel fitting easy. Thats what my nightmares are made of. Cheers, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:28:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: project progress update I don't post very often, as I like to sit back and just soak up the information from everyone else, but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress on my cowl and I figured I'd let everyone else see too. All of the firewall forward stuff really eats a lot of time and seems like it doesn't show. Friends drop by hearing that we have been working on the plane and I'm sure they can't see any progress. We do although, have the engine just about ready to run, as soon as I get the carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted. The cowl is getting closer, but there is still a bunch to do there as well. My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in California, and may actually finish it one of these days! Anyways, I'm gonna go grab my wife and daughter and go enjoy the morning air flying the Piper. Keep building! Mike Groah Tulare CA st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.c================= " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 01:21:55 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: spark plug securing
    Gardiner, I'm certainly not far enough along to really offer an opinion, just a thought: I'm using Summit Racing wires and noticed that there is a very definite "snap" when those things get pushed on all the way. Any chance that those wire that came loose may not have been snapped down? Glad to see you back in the air! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 1:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: spark plug securing On my last flight I had 2 plug wires come loose after take off in my corvair. It was exciting to say the least. Now I know it will fly on 4 cyls. Does anyone know of a way to secure the push down boots onto the plug? Gardiner --- On Sun, 8/1/10, Dale McCleskey <dale.mccleskey@lifeway.com> wrote: > From: Dale McCleskey <dale.mccleskey@lifeway.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Broadhead 2010 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 3:57 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Dale McCleskey" <dale.mccleskey@lifeway.com> > > Thanks Dave, I enjoyed meeting and flying with your lovely > spousal-unit. Sorry I didn't get to meet you. > > So many things are wonderful about the Pietenpol, but in my > opinion nothing compares with taking others flying. So it > was my joy. > > Hope to see you next year. > > Do not archive. > > Dale > > -------- > Dale McCleskey > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307076#307076 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > >


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    Time: 01:39:08 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: project progress update
    So will we ever see these California machines at Brodhead? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:15 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: project progress update I'm right there with Mike & Vic.neck & neck.well.minus the wings, but that doesn't count.I'm going to see Mike tomorrow as I journey south.gotta' see this great looking cowling for myself! Finally finished my baggage cowl and door: Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Well Gary or Chris maybe; I'd have to fly minus a few parts to be first. Jim Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:23:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Thank you everyone for the positive comments on our cowling. The ring gear is up front and is a standard WW part along with the starter he recommends (with his nose gear). Although the starter is in stock form (not modified for low clearance as WW sells so we probably could have gotten the top down a little lower if we had done that). As my dad said it all fits in there somehow. I had a certain look I wanted that included a rounded nose and bottom and a tight fit around the engine. We've managed to get most of the look i wanted with a few adjustments to conform with reality. While my dad won't be able to work on the plane for a couple weeks as he said, I will keep working on it as time allows. Hopefully I'll have it ready and we can run it together when he is available to work on it again. If we don't keep working on it Gary Boothe, Jim Boyer, or Chris Tracy is going to beat us into the air out here in California! Mike Groah _____ From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> Sent: Sat, July 31, 2010 2:22:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Wow, that is surprising. It sure doesn't look like there is room for the ring gear in there. Any other pics would be greatly appreciated. Are you driving the dynamo/alternator off the rear? Thanks Vic, Ryan On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:07 PM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote: Just a note, the starter is in the front in the normal Corviar position. Unfortunatly no press, just hand formed. VG _____ From: boyerjrb@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Hi Mike, Your cowling is looking good. Making it out of aluminium has got to be a real challenge; you and your dad Vic are doing a nice job of it. Now if you just had a 200 ton hydropress for the small stuff. We had one at the Boeing plant I worked at and boy would that have made cowling and steel fitting easy. Thats what my nightmares are made of. Cheers, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:28:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: project progress update I don't post very often, as I like to sit back and just soak up the information from everyone else, but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress on my cowl and I figured I'd let everyone else see too. All of the firewall forward stuff really eats a lot of time and seems like it doesn't show. Friends drop by hearing that we have been working on the plane and I'm sure they can't see any progress. We do although, have the engine just about ready to run, as soon as I get the carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted. The cowl is getting closer, but there is still a bunch to do there as well. My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in California, and may actually finish it one of these days! Anyways, I'm gonna go grab my wife and daughter and go enjoy the morning air flying the Piper. Keep building! Mike Groah Tulare CA st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.c================= " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 01:44:41 PM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: spark plug securing
    Gary, I had just flown for an hour previously and I had checked to see that they were snapped down for that flight. I wonder if the wind blast and or vibration is the culprit. I might try an safety wire them. Gardiner --- On Sun, 8/1/10, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spark plug securing > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 4:20 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> > > Gardiner, > > I'm certainly not far enough along to really offer an > opinion, just a > thought: I'm using Summit Racing wires and noticed > that there is a very > definite "snap" when those things get pushed on all the > way. Any chance that > those wire that came loose may not have been snapped down? > > Glad to see you back in the air! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (20 ribs down) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of airlion > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 1:14 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: spark plug securing > > > On my last flight I had 2 plug wires come loose after > take off in my > corvair. It was exciting to say the least. Now I know it > will fly on 4 cyls. > Does anyone know of a way to secure the push down boots > onto the plug? > Gardiner > > --- On Sun, 8/1/10, Dale McCleskey <dale.mccleskey@lifeway.com> > wrote: > > > From: Dale McCleskey <dale.mccleskey@lifeway.com> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Broadhead 2010 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 3:57 PM > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > > by: "Dale McCleskey" <dale.mccleskey@lifeway.com> > > > > Thanks Dave, I enjoyed meeting and flying with your > lovely > > spousal-unit. Sorry I didn't get to meet you. > > > > So many things are wonderful about the Pietenpol, but > in my > > opinion nothing compares with taking others flying. So > it > > was my joy. > > > > Hope to see you next year. > > > > Do not archive. > > > > Dale > > > > -------- > > Dale McCleskey > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307076#307076 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > > FAQ, > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > List Contribution Web Site - > > -Matt > > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > >


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    Time: 02:19:19 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: project progress update
    May not make it past the Illinois bean fields.;-) Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 1:38 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: project progress update So will we ever see these California machines at Brodhead? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:15 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: project progress update I'm right there with Mike & Vic.neck & neck.well.minus the wings, but that doesn't count.I'm going to see Mike tomorrow as I journey south.gotta' see this great looking cowling for myself! Finally finished my baggage cowl and door: Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Well Gary or Chris maybe; I'd have to fly minus a few parts to be first. Jim Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:23:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Thank you everyone for the positive comments on our cowling. The ring gear is up front and is a standard WW part along with the starter he recommends (with his nose gear). Although the starter is in stock form (not modified for low clearance as WW sells so we probably could have gotten the top down a little lower if we had done that). As my dad said it all fits in there somehow. I had a certain look I wanted that included a rounded nose and bottom and a tight fit around the engine. We've managed to get most of the look i wanted with a few adjustments to conform with reality. While my dad won't be able to work on the plane for a couple weeks as he said, I will keep working on it as time allows. Hopefully I'll have it ready and we can run it together when he is available to work on it again. If we don't keep working on it Gary Boothe, Jim Boyer, or Chris Tracy is going to beat us into the air out here in California! Mike Groah _____ From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> Sent: Sat, July 31, 2010 2:22:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Wow, that is surprising. It sure doesn't look like there is room for the ring gear in there. Any other pics would be greatly appreciated. Are you driving the dynamo/alternator off the rear? Thanks Vic, Ryan On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:07 PM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote: Just a note, the starter is in the front in the normal Corviar position. Unfortunatly no press, just hand formed. VG _____ From: boyerjrb@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Hi Mike, Your cowling is looking good. Making it out of aluminium has got to be a real challenge; you and your dad Vic are doing a nice job of it. Now if you just had a 200 ton hydropress for the small stuff. We had one at the Boeing plant I worked at and boy would that have made cowling and steel fitting easy. Thats what my nightmares are made of. Cheers, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:28:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: project progress update I don't post very often, as I like to sit back and just soak up the information from everyone else, but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress on my cowl and I figured I'd let everyone else see too. All of the firewall forward stuff really eats a lot of time and seems like it doesn't show. Friends drop by hearing that we have been working on the plane and I'm sure they can't see any progress. We do although, have the engine just about ready to run, as soon as I get the carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted. The cowl is getting closer, but there is still a bunch to do there as well. My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in California, and may actually finish it one of these days! Anyways, I'm gonna go grab my wife and daughter and go enjoy the morning air flying the Piper. Keep building! Mike Groah Tulare CA st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.c================= " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 02:45:54 PM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: project progress update
    Well Gary , at least you are optimistic about getting over the Rockies.=C2 - Missed you at Brodhead. 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The ring gear is up=0Afront and is a standard WW part along with the starter he recommen ds (with his=0Anose gear).=C2- Although the starter is in stock form (not modified for low=0Aclearance as WW sells so we probably could have gotten the top down a little=0Alower if we had done that). As my dad said it all f its in there somehow.=C2-=0AI had a certain look I wanted that included a rounded nose and bottom and a tight=0Afit around the engine.=C2- We've m anaged to get most of the look i wanted=0Awith a few adjustments to conform with reality.=C2- While my dad won't be=0Aable to work on the plane for a couple weeks as he said, I will keep working on=0Ait as time allows.=C2 - Hopefully I'll have it ready and we can run it=0Atogether when he is av ailable to work on it again.=C2- If we don't keep=0Aworking on it Gary Bo othe, Jim Boyer, or Chris Tracy is going to beat us into=0Athe air out here in California! =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMike=0AGroah =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sat, July 31, 2010 2:22:03 PM =0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update =0A =0AWow, that is surprising. It sure doesn't look like there is room for the ring=0Agear in there. Any other pics would be greatly appreciated. Are you driving the=0Adynamo/alternator off the rear? =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AThanks Vic, =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARyan =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:07 PM, V=0A Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>=0Awrote: =0A=0A=0A=0AJust a note,=C2-the start er is=0Ain the=C2-front in=C2-the normal Corviar position.=C2- Unfort unatly no=0Apress, just hand formed.=C2- VG =0A=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ADate: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:03:42=0A+0000 =0AFrom: boyerjrb@comcast.net=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A=0A=0A=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List :=0Aproject progress update =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0AHi Mike, =0AYour cowling is looking good. Making it out of aluminium has got to be a real=0Achallenge; you and your dad Vic are doing a nice job of it. =0ANow if you just had a 200 ton hydropress for the small stuff. We had one at the=0ABoeing plant I worked at and boy would that have made cowling and steel fitting=0Aeasy. Thats what my nightmares are made of. =0ACheers, =0AJim =0A=C2- =0A=C2- =0A =0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover@yahoo.com> =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:28:32 AM =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: project progress update =0A=0A=0A=0A=C2-I don 't post very often, as I like to sit back and just soak up the information from everyone else, =C2- =C2- =C2-but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress on my cowl and I figured =C2-I'd let everyone else see too.=C2- All of the firewall forward stu ff really eats a lot of time and seems like =C2-it doesn't show.=C2- Friends drop by hearing that we have been wor king on the plane and I'm sure they =C2- =C2- =C2-can't see any progress.=C2- We do although, have the engine just about ready to run, as soon as I get the =C2-carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted.=C2- The =C2-=C2-cowl is getting closer, but there is still a bunch to do there =C2-as well.=C2- My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in California, and may actually finish =C2-it one of these days!=C2- Anyways, I'm gonna go grab my wife and d aughter and go enjoy the morning air =C2- =C2- =C2-flying the Piper.=C2- Keep building! =C2- =C2-Mike Groah =C2-Tulare CA =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =C2-st" t arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listttp://forum s.matronics.com=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A =0A =C2- =C2-" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie tenpol-Listtp://forums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.c ================== =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =C2- =C2-" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listp://forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronic s.com/contribution =C2- =0A=0A =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Pietenpol-List =C2-http://forums.matronics.com =C2-http://www.mat ronics.com/contribution =0A=0A =0A=0A


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    Time: 05:21:13 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: spark plug securing
    We have the stock (modified) corvair shrowd on ours, and the seal groument on our stock corvair wires helps a lot in holding them on, just make sure y ou feel the snap detent when you push them on the plugs. - Shad=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 05:29:21 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Crash - Long Post
    That was one Purtee Landing! - Shad=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 05:30:41 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Elevator cable slack
    As we say at work, "It ain't the space shuttle". Shad - I have read in the archives about slack cables and it seems that it is pretty much universal to the Pietenpol. Mine are tight(just right) at full down elevator, then the lower cables start going slack as the elevator is raised getting the most slack in the center position, then as you go to ful l up elevator they begin to pull most of the slack out as you reach full up. I can do cosmetics with some light springs holding up on the cables. Why I am posting is flutter possibilities. I think I am worrying over nothing, just needing reassurance that they all get slack more or less! -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building- NX510JD- July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307021#307021 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 05:49:38 PM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Gerald Thornhill Prop Carving Presentation Oshkosh
    I would be interested in seeing the spread sheet if anyone can provide it or point me it the direction to get it for myself. Thanks John In a message dated 8/1/2010 2:38:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marwilson@charter.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "dwilson" <marwilson@charter.net> Greetings! If you attended the prop carving presentation by Jerry Thornhill at Oshkosh and wanted to create your own prop please feel free to use this spreadsheet to perform the calculations. The results match the handouts that he provided at Oshkosh. The notes on the page are my own from his presentation. Let me know if you need additional information. Anyone have a picture of Jerry's prop they could post ? dwilson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307065#307065


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    Time: 06:12:22 PM PST US
    From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: project progress update
    Jim,-- I know you're silently making progress and will surprise us all. - How =0Aabout some update pics from you .... and other builders for that matter.- We all =0Alike to see what others are accomplishing.- I know it gives me more inspiration =0Ato get going on mine.- =0A=0A=0AMike Groa h=0A=0Ado not archive- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sun, August 1, 2010 11:56:05 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pro ject progress update=0A=0A=0A=0AWell Gary or Chris maybe; I'd have to fly m inus a few parts to be first.=0AJim=0A-=0ADo not archive=0A-=0A----- Or iginal Message -----=0AFrom: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover@yahoo.com>=0ATo: p ietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:23:40 PM=0AS ubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update=0A=0A=0AThank you every one for the positive comments on our cowling. The ring gear is up =0Afront and is a standard WW part along with the starter he recommends (with his =0Anose gear).- Although the starter is in stock form (not modified for l ow =0Aclearance as WW sells so we probably could have gotten the top down a little =0Alower if we had done that). As my dad said it all fits in there somehow.- I had =0Aa certain look I wanted that included a rounded nose a nd bottom and a tight fit =0Aaround the engine.- We've managed to get mos t of the look i wanted with a few =0Aadjustments to conform with reality. - While my dad won't be able to work on the =0Aplane for a couple weeks a s he said, I will keep working on it as time allows.- =0AHopefully I'll h ave it ready and we can run it together when he is available to =0Awork on it again.- If we don't keep working on it Gary Boothe, Jim Boyer, or =0AC hris Tracy is going to beat us into the air out here in California! =0A=0A =0AMike Groah=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ryan M ueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sa t, July 31, 2010 2:22:03 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update=0A=0AWow, that is surprising. It sure doesn't look like there is ro om for the ring =0Agear in there. Any other pics would be greatly appreciat ed. Are you driving the =0Adynamo/alternator off the rear? =0A=0A=0AThanks Vic,=0A=0ARyan=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 4:07 PM, V Groah <vgroah@hot mail.com> wrote:=0A=0AJust a note,-the starter is in the-front in-the normal Corviar position.- =0AUnfortunatly no press, just hand formed.- VG=0A>-=0A>________________________________=0ADate: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16: 03:42 +0000=0A>From: boyerjrb@comcast.net =0A>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matron ics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update =0A>=0A>=0A >=0A>Hi Mike,=0A>Your cowling is looking good. Making it out of aluminium h as got to be a real =0A>challenge; you and your dad Vic are doing a nice jo b of it.=0A>Now if you just had a 200 ton hydropress for the small stuff. W e had one at the =0A>Boeing plant I worked at and boy would that have made cowling and steel fitting =0A>easy. Thats what my nightmares are made of. =0A>Cheers, =0A>Jim=0A>-=0A>-=0A>=0A>----- Original Message -----=0A>Fr om: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover@yahoo.com>=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics. com=0A>Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:28:32 AM=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: project progress update=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> I don't post very often, as I like to sit back and just soak up the information =0A>from everyone else, =0A> =0A> but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress on my =0A>cowl and I figured =0A>=0A>I'd let everyone else see too. All o f the firewall forward stuff really eats a =0A>lot of time and seems like =0A>=0A>it doesn't show. Friends drop by hearing that we have been working on the plane =0A>and I'm sure they =0A>=0A> can't see any progress. We do although, have the engine just about ready to =0A>run, as soon as I get th e=0A>carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted. The=0A> cowl is getting clos er, but there is still a bunch to do there =0A>as well. My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in =0A>California, and may actually finish =0A>=0A>it one of these days! Anyways, I'm gonna go grab my wife a nd daughter and go =0A>enjoy the morning air =0A>=0A> flying the Piper. Ke ep building!=0A>=0A>Mike Groah=0A>Tulare CA =0A>=0A>=0A> st" target=_bla nk>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0A>ttp://forums.matro nics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A>=0A> " targe t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0A>tp://for ums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A>=0A=0A http://www.matronics.c================= = =0A=0A " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol -List =0Ap://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contributi -======================== ================== =0A=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 06:25:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gerald Thornhill Prop Carving Presentation Oshkosh
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    dwilson, I don't seem to be able to get the spreadsheet. Did you attach it to your email? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: dwilson <marwilson@charter.net> Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 1:37 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gerald Thornhill Prop Carving Presentation Oshkos h Greetings! If you attended the prop carving presentation by Jerry Thornhi ll at shkosh and wanted to create your own prop please feel free to use this preadsheet to perform the calculations. The results match the handouts th at he rovided at Oshkosh. The notes on the page are my own from his presentatio n. et me know if you need additional information. Anyone have a picture of erry's prop they could post ? dwilson ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307065#307065 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 06:36:06 PM PST US
    From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: project progress update
    Gary... that's looking great!-- I'm looking forward to seeing you again =0Atomorrow.- I think we'll meet you at the door to take any-glasses y ou have and =0Aissue you an eye patch to wear over your good eye.- That w ay our cowl will look =0Asomewhat close to the quality of your workmanship. - We're just beating-things =0Ainto submission and trying to get this p lane in the air.-- We'll cover the lack =0Aof skill with paint to camaf lage it and make people think we knew what we were =0Adoing=0A=0AMike=0A=0A do not archive- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0A=0A =0A


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    Time: 07:09:45 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: project progress update
    Packing my trench coat, now.still need lots of turnbuckles. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Groah Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 6:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update Gary... that's looking great! I'm looking forward to seeing you again tomorrow. I think we'll meet you at the door to take any glasses you have and issue you an eye patch to wear over your good eye. That way our cowl will look somewhat close to the quality of your workmanship. We're just beating things into submission and trying to get this plane in the air. We'll cover the lack of skill with paint to camaflage it and make people think we knew what we were doing Mike do not archive _____


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    Time: 08:28:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gerald Thornhill Prop Carving Presentation Oshkosh
    From: "dwilson" <marwilson@charter.net>
    website would not accept the file type.... contact me with an email address and I'll send it to you... Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307138#307138


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    Time: 09:26:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Landing gear in the plans
    From: "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin@hotmail.com>
    As we are going to be ordering our plans any day now. I see that product 7 is for the wooden landing gear. What landing gear is in the original plans? Is it not wooden? Of course it is only $20, but I'm just curious of what is going on there. Also should I get the original build manual? I guess I should just get the whole thing for $250 hu? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307145#307145


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    Time: 10:12:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gerald Thornhill Prop Carving Presentation Oshkosh
    From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz@cox.net>
    dwilson, I would be interested in this spreadsheet. My email address is billmz (at) cox (dot)net. Thanks! -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tailfeathers almost done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307147#307147


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    Time: 11:02:02 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
    Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ] This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address: http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm ************************************************************ ******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ******* ************************************************************ PLEASE READ. This document contains Pietenpol-List policies and information for new and old subscribers. 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Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. 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    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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    Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive




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