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1. 03:04 AM - Re: Landing gear in the plans (Ben Charvet)
2. 08:38 AM - Re: project progress update (Jim Boyer)
3. 08:41 AM - Re: project progress update (Jim Boyer)
4. 09:08 AM - Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? (Larry Vetter)
5. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: project progress update (jeff wilson)
6. 09:42 AM - Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? (Dan Yocum)
7. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: project progress update (Dan Yocum)
8. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: project progress update (gboothe5@comcast.net)
9. 09:46 AM - plug ends of harness question (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 09:56 AM - Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? (H RULE)
11. 10:00 AM - Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? (H RULE)
12. 10:00 AM - Re: plug ends of harness question (helspersew@aol.com)
13. 10:00 AM - Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? (Jeff Boatright)
14. 10:45 AM - Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? (H RULE)
15. 11:05 AM - Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? (Billy McCaskill)
16. 11:36 AM - Happy birthday, Corky! (Oscar Zuniga)
17. 11:40 AM - Re: Happy birthday, Corky! (Jack Phillips)
18. 12:34 PM - GN-1 Grega Plans (jeff wilson)
19. 12:54 PM - Re: Elevator cable slack (Jerry Dotson)
20. 02:41 PM - Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? (Larry Vetter)
21. 03:32 PM - Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? (skellytown flyer)
22. 05:37 PM - Re: Photos from Brodhead 2010 (Rick Holland)
23. 07:09 PM - Visit to the Groah's (Gary Boothe)
24. 07:37 PM - Re: Landing gear in the plans (j_dunavin)
25. 07:37 PM - Fuse Questions! (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
26. 07:48 PM - (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
27. 07:48 PM - Fuse questions! (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
28. 07:50 PM - Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates (John Fay)
29. 07:52 PM - Re: Fuse Questions! (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
30. 08:21 PM - Re: Fuse Questions! (Gary Boothe)
31. 08:22 PM - Re: Visit to the Groah's (Darrel Jones)
32. 08:50 PM - Re: Visit to the Groah's (Gary Boothe)
33. 09:14 PM - Re: Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
34. 09:42 PM - Re: Landing gear in the plans (Billy McCaskill)
35. 09:47 PM - Re: Happy birthday, Corky! (Tim Willis)
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Subject: | Re: Landing gear in the plans |
The plans include the dimensions for the split gear, similar to that on
a Cub. The Original Wood Gear is depicted in the builders manual, and
was part of the original Flying and Glider plans, which are reprinted
there. I ordered the whole package, and the only thing I didn't use was
the full scale wing rib template.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
On 8/2/2010 12:26 AM, j_dunavin wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "j_dunavin"<j_dunavin@hotmail.com>
>
> As we are going to be ordering our plans any day now. I see that product 7 is
for the wooden landing gear. What landing gear is in the original plans? Is it
not wooden?
> Of course it is only $20, but I'm just curious of what is going on there.
> Also should I get the original build manual?
> I guess I should just get the whole thing for $250 hu?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307145#307145
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Subject: | Re: project progress update |
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Subject: | Re: project progress update |
Boy you guys are heaping it on pretty thick. A guy will need hip boots arou
nd you and Gary.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2010 6:34:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: project progress update
Gary... that's looking great!=C2-=C2- I'm looking forward to seeing you
again tomorrow.=C2- I think we'll meet you at the door to take any=C2-
glasses you have and issue you an eye patch to wear over your good eye.=C2
- That way our cowl will look somewhat close to the quality of your workm
anship.=C2- We're just beating=C2-things into submission and trying to
get this plane in the air.=C2-=C2- We'll cover the lack of skill with p
aint to camaflage it and make people think we knew what we were doing
Mike
do not archive=C2-
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Subject: | Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? |
I'm still new to the Pietenpol so I hope this isn't a dumb question, but what is
the difference between the GN-1 models and the regular Pietenpol?
Thanks.
Larry
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307195#307195
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Subject: | Re: project progress update |
What is this starter I keep seeing mention of?
Perhaps it is the witchcraft we witnessed at Brodhead. A pilot turned on his ignition
switch and the prop turned with a screeching sound, then the engine started.
One observer whispered ''Beware, tis witchery'' another said ''blasphemy''
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
St. Louis, MO
Fuse, Wings, Tailfeathers done
A-65/Hegy Semi-Scimitar
working on controls and wood gear.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? |
Hi Larry,
First off, I want to say that some of what I'm about to tell you is
almost certainly wrong, and lots of people have lots of strong feelings
and opinions on the topic. I'm not here to start a long drawn out
discussion on the finer differences of the 2 designs, just point out the
things I do know, observed, or heard.
The Grega GN-1 Aircamper (note the single word) is a derivation of the
Pietenpol Air Camper (2 words). In the 50's and 60's there was a
surplus of Piper Cub parts around: engines, engine mounts, wings, gear,
etc. which John Grega used to create a parasol design that looked an
awful lot like a Pietenpol Air Camper.
The most obvious visual differences between the two are the gear attach
points and the number of stringers on the fuselage.
On a Pietenpol, the gear attach to the fuse at the same place the wing
lift struts attach. On the GN-1, the rear gear attach point doesn't
reach the rear wing lift strut since the Cub gear are not as narrow
front-to-back. On a Pietenpol there is only one fabric stringer down
the side of the fuselage. On the GN-1 there are 2 stringers.
Some GN-1s have Cub wings which are the USA35b airfoil with no
undercamber on the wings. A true Pietenpol uses an FC-10, which does
have an undercamber.
I believe that all GN-1s are steel fuselages and Pietenpols can be
either wood or steel, but most are wood (I think).
Grega's are almost always powered by a Continental, while Pietenpols are
powered by Ford As, Continentals, Corvairs, Franklins, etc.
You can still buy Pietenpol plans from the Pietenpol family, but the
Grega Plans are not being produced anymore. Sometimes you can find them
for sale on Ebay, Barnstormers, or someone here on the list.
There are more, finer details "in the archives" but I'll leave that
search up to you.
Cheers,
Dan
On 08/02/2010 11:08 AM, Larry Vetter wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Vetter"<vetter@evertek.net>
>
> I'm still new to the Pietenpol so I hope this isn't a dumb question, but what
is the difference between the GN-1 models and the regular Pietenpol?
> Thanks.
> Larry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307195#307195
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: project progress update |
Let me tell you, I looked over at the witchery on several occasions and
almost sold my soul for a self commencer...
Speaking of commencers, I forgot to include Perry Rhoades and Bill Rewey
in my list of people to thank for attempting to commence N8031. So,
here it is: Thanks!
Dan
On 08/02/2010 11:22 AM, jeff wilson wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: jeff wilson<jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com>
>
> What is this starter I keep seeing mention of?
> Perhaps it is the witchcraft we witnessed at Brodhead. A pilot turned on his
ignition switch and the prop turned with a screeching sound, then the engine started.
One observer whispered ''Beware, tis witchery'' another said ''blasphemy''
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: project progress update |
Jeff,
I have one of those contraptions, but haven't yet pushed all the buttons and switches
to make it do what they say it will.
One conclusion that I came to, after seeing pics and vids from Brodhead: Starter
assisted engines make wheels fall off...
Gary Boothe
Do not archive
------Original Message------
From: jeff wilson
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: project progress update
Sent: Aug 2, 2010 9:22 AM
What is this starter I keep seeing mention of?
Perhaps it is the witchcraft we witnessed at Brodhead. A pilot turned on his ignition
switch and the prop turned with a screeching sound, then the engine started.
One observer whispered ''Beware, tis witchery'' another said ''blasphemy''
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
St. Louis, MO
Fuse, Wings, Tailfeathers done
A-65/Hegy Semi-Scimitar
working on controls and wood gear.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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Subject: | plug ends of harness question |
I am kinda new to the Continental engine and have a question about the
ceramic cigarette and spring end on the harness where it screws into the
spark plug.
Some of these are missing and all that is on the end of the harness wire is
a hole where the little spring came out of. The shipper put duct tape
around the end of all of them, and when I removed it, it pulled a couple
other springs out as well.
Do I just get replacements and just push the spring ends into the holes or
what?
ACSS doesn't sell them anymore, though they are in their catalog.
Thanks
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? |
I have a GN-1 and it is using what they call Grega mods.A guy by the name o
f =0AGrega one day decided to take the Pietenpol and modify it with J3 land
ing gear =0Awhich by the way makes it sit higher and changes the angle of t
he wing attacking =0Athe air.The wing itself is a J3 wing and in mine I emp
loy Aeronca controls.I'm =0Anot sure but I think he is also responsible for
the slit wing style or 3 part =0Awing with the piece in the middle and the
two half wings on either side.The =0Areason for this at the time, if memor
y serves me right, was because there were a =0Alot of J3 parts hanging arou
nd and it seemed like a good idea to use them.Some =0Aguys who own these th
ings like to call them Pietenpols but because Grega =0Amodified them they a
re or should be called GN-1 Aircampers.I call it the cousin =0Ato the Piete
npol for lack of a better description.Mine also employs a Franklin =0A80 hp
engine in it which Bernard never used either.He used model A Ford engines
=0Aand the Chev Corvair.If Bernard Pietenpol had used these same parts for
his =0Aplane it would still be called a Pietenpol and by the way the only d
umb question =0Ais the-question that is never asked.=0AYou will never kno
w anything if you don't ask.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A
From: Larry Vetter <vetter@evertek.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Mon, August 2, 2010 12:08:01 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Differe
nces between GN-1 and regular Piet?=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted
by: "Larry Vetter" <vetter@evertek.net>=0A=0AI'm still new to the Pietenpol
so I hope this isn't a dumb question, but what is =0Athe difference betwee
n the GN-1 models and the regular Pietenpol?=0AThanks.=0ALarry=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
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Subject: | Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? |
My GN-1 is made out of wood.I may be the only one ,I don't know.=0Ado not a
rchive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dan Yocum <yo
cum@fnal.gov>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, August 2, 201
0 12:36:22 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Differences between GN-1 and r
al.gov>=0A=0AHi Larry,=0A=0AFirst off, I want to say that some of what I'm
about to tell you is almost =0Acertainly wrong, and lots of people have lot
s of strong feelings and opinions on =0Athe topic.- I'm not here to start
a long drawn out discussion on the finer =0Adifferences of the 2 designs,
just point out the things I do know, observed, or =0Aheard.=0A=0AThe Grega
GN-1 Aircamper (note the single word) is a derivation of the Pietenpol =0AA
ir Camper (2 words).- In the 50's and 60's there was a surplus of Piper C
ub =0Aparts around: engines, engine mounts, wings, gear, etc. which John Gr
ega used to =0Acreate a parasol design that looked an awful lot like a Piet
enpol Air Camper.=0A=0AThe most obvious visual differences between the two
are the gear attach points =0Aand the number of stringers on the fuselage.
=0A=0AOn a Pietenpol, the gear attach to the fuse at the same place the win
g lift =0Astruts attach.- On the GN-1, the rear gear attach point doesn't
reach the rear =0Awing lift strut since the Cub gear are not as narrow fro
nt-to-back.- On a =0APietenpol there is only one fabric stringer down the
side of the fuselage.- On =0Athe GN-1 there are 2 stringers.=0A=0ASome G
N-1s have Cub wings which are the USA35b airfoil with no undercamber on =0A
the wings.- A true Pietenpol uses an FC-10, which does have an undercambe
r.=0A=0AI believe that all GN-1s are steel fuselages and Pietenpols can be
either wood =0Aor steel, but most are wood (I think).=0A=0AGrega's are almo
st always powered by a Continental, while Pietenpols are powered =0Aby Ford
As, Continentals, Corvairs, Franklins, etc.=0A=0AYou can still buy Pietenp
ol plans from the Pietenpol family, but the Grega Plans =0Aare not being pr
oduced anymore.- Sometimes you can find them for sale on Ebay, =0ABarnsto
rmers, or someone here on the list.=0A=0AThere are more, finer details "in
the archives" but I'll leave that search up to =0Ayou.=0A=0ACheers,=0ADan
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn 08/02/2010 11:08 AM, Larry Vetter wrote:=0A> -->- Piete
npol-List message posted by: "Larry Vetter"<vetter@evertek.net>=0A> =0A> I'
m still new to the Pietenpol so I hope this isn't a dumb question, but what
=0A>is the difference between the GN-1 models and the regular Pietenpol?
=0A>- Thanks.=0A>- Larry=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online
here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307195#307195
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A-- Dan Yocum=0AFermilab- 630.840.6509=0Ayocum@fna
l.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov=0A"I fly because it releases my mind from
==
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Subject: | Re: plug ends of harness question |
Douwe,
If you need more of those ceramic ciggarettes, I bought some from Univair
a couple of years ago. If you need help with this contact me off-list. I
am sure I still have their part numbers somewhere.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 11:45 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: plug ends of harness question
I am kinda new to the Continental engine and have a question about the cer
amic cigarette and spring end on the harness where it screws into the spar
k plug.
Some of these are missing and all that is on the end of the harness wire
is a hole where the little spring came out of. The shipper put duct tape
around the end of all of them, and when I removed it, it pulled a couple
other springs out as well.
Do I just get replacements and just push the spring ends into the holes or
what?
ACSS doesn=99t sell them anymore, though they are in their catalog.
Thanks
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? |
Some Gregas have wood fuselages.
Another difference is that the Grega fuselage is narrower (I think 21
versus 24 inches) and the sides are sheathed in plywood all the way
back to the tailpost as opposed to sheathing ending right behind the
pilot's seat in the Pietenpol.
Another differences is that I don't think Gregas have an option for a
wind tank - the design was to use a Cub fuselage tank.
Another difference is the aileron cabling from the control stick.
It's very different, but beyond my ability to describe in text.
>
>Hi Larry,
>
>First off, I want to say that some of what I'm about to tell you is
>almost certainly wrong, and lots of people have lots of strong
>feelings and opinions on the topic. I'm not here to start a long
>drawn out discussion on the finer differences of the 2 designs, just
>point out the things I do know, observed, or heard.
>
>The Grega GN-1 Aircamper (note the single word) is a derivation of
>the Pietenpol Air Camper (2 words). In the 50's and 60's there was
>a surplus of Piper Cub parts around: engines, engine mounts, wings,
>gear, etc. which John Grega used to create a parasol design that
>looked an awful lot like a Pietenpol Air Camper.
>
>The most obvious visual differences between the two are the gear
>attach points and the number of stringers on the fuselage.
>
>On a Pietenpol, the gear attach to the fuse at the same place the
>wing lift struts attach. On the GN-1, the rear gear attach point
>doesn't reach the rear wing lift strut since the Cub gear are not as
>narrow front-to-back. On a Pietenpol there is only one fabric
>stringer down the side of the fuselage. On the GN-1 there are 2
>stringers.
>
>Some GN-1s have Cub wings which are the USA35b airfoil with no
>undercamber on the wings. A true Pietenpol uses an FC-10, which
>does have an undercamber.
>
>I believe that all GN-1s are steel fuselages and Pietenpols can be
>either wood or steel, but most are wood (I think).
>
>Grega's are almost always powered by a Continental, while Pietenpols
>are powered by Ford As, Continentals, Corvairs, Franklins, etc.
>
>You can still buy Pietenpol plans from the Pietenpol family, but the
>Grega Plans are not being produced anymore. Sometimes you can find
>them for sale on Ebay, Barnstormers, or someone here on the list.
>
>There are more, finer details "in the archives" but I'll leave that
>search up to you.
>
>Cheers,
>Dan
>
>
>On 08/02/2010 11:08 AM, Larry Vetter wrote:
>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Vetter"<vetter@evertek.net>
>>
>>I'm still new to the Pietenpol so I hope this isn't a dumb
>>question, but what is the difference between the GN-1 models and
>>the regular Pietenpol?
>> Thanks.
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307195#307195
>>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? |
Yes the cabling doesn't criscross like it does in the Piet.It goes down eit
her =0Aside of the front cockpit.There is no wing looking attachment piece
for them in =0Athe middle.My Grega or GN-1 weighs 777 lbs empty.I'm sure th
is is because of the =0Aextra wood that Jeff speaks of.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____
___________________________=0AFrom: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>=0ATo
: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, August 2, 2010 1:00:28 PM=0ASub
ject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet?=0A=0A-
=0ASome Gregas have wood fuselages.=0A=0AAnother difference is that the Gre
ga fuselage is narrower (I think 21 versus 24 =0Ainches) and the sides are
sheathed in plywood all the way back to the tailpost =0Aas opposed to sheat
hing ending right behind the pilot's seat in the Pietenpol.=0A=0AAnother di
fferences is that I don't think Gregas have an option for a wind tank =0A-
the design was to use a Cub fuselage tank.=0A=0AAnother difference is the a
ileron cabling from the control stick. It's very =0Adifferent, but beyond m
y ability to describe in text.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A> --> Pietenpol-List message p
osted by: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>=0A> =0A> Hi Larry,=0A> =0A> First off,
I want to say that some of what I'm about to tell you is almost =0A>certai
nly wrong, and lots of people have lots of strong feelings and opinions on
=0A>the topic.- I'm not here to start a long drawn out discussion on the
finer =0A>differences of the 2 designs, just point out the things I do know
, observed, or =0A>heard.=0A> =0A> The Grega GN-1 Aircamper (note the singl
e word) is a derivation of the =0A>Pietenpol Air Camper (2 words).- In th
e 50's and 60's there was a surplus of =0A>Piper Cub parts around: engines,
engine mounts, wings, gear, etc. which John =0A>Grega used to create a par
asol design that looked an awful lot like a Pietenpol =0A>Air Camper.=0A>
=0A> The most obvious visual differences between the two are the gear attac
h points =0A>and the number of stringers on the fuselage.=0A> =0A> On a Pie
tenpol, the gear attach to the fuse at the same place the wing lift =0A>str
uts attach.- On the GN-1, the rear gear attach point doesn't reach the re
ar =0A>wing lift strut since the Cub gear are not as narrow front-to-back.
- On a =0A>Pietenpol there is only one fabric stringer down the side of t
he fuselage.- On =0A>the GN-1 there are 2 stringers.=0A> =0A> Some GN-1s
have Cub wings which are the USA35b airfoil with no undercamber on =0A>the
wings.- A true Pietenpol uses an FC-10, which does have an undercamber.
=0A> =0A> I believe that all GN-1s are steel fuselages and Pietenpols can b
e either wood =0A>or steel, but most are wood (I think).=0A> =0A> Grega's a
re almost always powered by a Continental, while Pietenpols are =0A>powered
by Ford As, Continentals, Corvairs, Franklins, etc.=0A> =0A> You can still
buy Pietenpol plans from the Pietenpol family, but the Grega =0A>Plans are
not being produced anymore.- Sometimes you can find them for sale on =0A
>Ebay, Barnstormers, or someone here on the list.=0A> =0A> There are more,
finer details "in the archives" but I'll leave that search up =0A>to you.
=0A> =0A> Cheers,=0A> Dan=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> On 08/02/2010 11:08 AM, L
arry Vetter wrote:=0A>> -->- Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Vet
ter"<vetter@evertek.net>=0A>> =0A>> I'm still new to the Pietenpol so I hop
e this isn't a dumb question, but what =0A>>is the difference between the G
N-1 models and the regular Pietenpol?=0A>>- Thanks.=0A>>- Larry=0A>>
=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Read this topic online here:=0A>> =0A>> http://foru
ms.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307195#307195=0A>> =0A=0A-- =0AJeff Boat
- - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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Subject: | Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? |
I have the Grega plans as well as Piet plans, and the Grega plans do have the wooden
fuselage shown as well as the steel tube fuselage. The wood fuselage does
have plywood sheeting the full length of it. As I don't have the plans in
front of me, I cannot comment on the width of the fuselage (24" vs. 21") as Jeff
mentioned. There was also nothing on the plans about Jenny-style gear either.
Recommended engine was a standard 4 cylinder aircraft engine, no mention
is made of either Model A or Corvair for power. Also, the Grega wing attach fittings
don't allow for moving the wing fore/aft to accommodate changes for weight
and balance issues. Also, the Grega airfoil shown in the plans is quite
dfferent from the Pietenpol's FC10 airfoil, and the aileron hinging method is
also very different. I'm sure there are many more differences, but these are
what I can remember without having the plans in front of me at the moment.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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Subject: | Happy birthday, Corky! |
Corky Corbett, builder of Air Camper N41CC, has a birthday
today (unless my memory is fading). He's probably long
past the point of caring about candles to blow out, but
if he were to give it a try, he'd need to huff 87 of them
out today or he wouldn't get his wish ;o)
Thanks for a fun and capable airplane, SIR!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Happy birthday, Corky! |
Happy Birthday, Corky! Hope you and Isabelle are doing well, and having
fun.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 2:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy birthday, Corky!
Corky Corbett, builder of Air Camper N41CC, has a birthday
today (unless my memory is fading). He's probably long
past the point of caring about candles to blow out, but
if he were to give it a try, he'd need to huff 87 of them
out today or he wouldn't get his wish ;o)
Thanks for a fun and capable airplane, SIR!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | GN-1 Grega Plans |
Since it has come up, if anyone wants a set of John Grega GN-1 plans, I hav
e set #2397 that I purchased from John Grega in 1994. I never used them and
they are still in excellent condition. I have made a couple copies for oth
er folks and if anyone here would like a copy I would be happy to make a se
t for you for $20 bucks. Basically covers copying and mailing. And if anyon
e is real sentimental you might be able to talk me out of the originals. Th
ey are dated numbered and signed by John Grega.
I'm building a Pietenpol long fuse and never even really studied the GN-1 p
lans much so I can't really answer any particular questions. It uses a lot
of parts from production aircraft like Piper. Gear are J-3 or Colt, J-3 fue
l tank and cowl, but plans are included to build your own,- and he recomm
ends only aircraft engines in the 65 to 85 hp range. He recommends wood fab
rication but also includes steel tube plans as did Bernard. The airfoil is
under-cambered like the Piet but the leading edge radius is- greater for
better stall characteristics.- Width of rear cockpit is 21 3/4" at the in
strument panel. Plywood panel all the way to tail post. Fuse from firewall
to tail post is 169.25 in.- Control system is different, period. Contact
me off site if you want. My email should be in the header.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT (R)
St. Louis, MO
Flyin Low and Slow
=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Elevator cable slack |
Thanks for the replies folks. I'm gonna quit fretting over cable slack and get
back to building. Sure is hot out there this week.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? |
Thanks guys for the replies. I now have a better idea in the differences.
I ended up with a pair of airframes (Pietenpols)and parts last winter. I hauled
them home from St.Paul. Kirk Huizinga had them, one of which had been built
and flown for a number of years in MN. Air Camper #1 was built by Hans Meyer and
had a corvair like Bernie's conversion leaving the cooling fan in place. Air
Camper # 2 came from Michigan and has never flown. Both planes were totally
tore down. Kirk had them for a number of years and decide he wasn't going to have
the chance to get at least one of them finished.
He has a good start on one engine, but everything else is in pieces. Air Camper
# 1 will be the one that I hope to get back to flying condition, and Air Camper
#2.... well I have my doubts about it. So that is where I am at the moment.
Being able to get to Brodhead helped as I was able to look at how things are,
and the many different ways of doing things.
I'm still trying to get a shop set up to work in, so as soon as thats done I hope
to get started.
Thanks again for the replies.
Larry
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Subject: | Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? |
OK my GN-1 or as most- a modified version has wood fuselage widened and lengthened
with a front door,plywood was not extended all the way back-only behind the
rear seat, Cub gear,under camber wing-3 piece, Corvair engine no doubt many
more mods. I removed the nose tank and installed a center section tank in the
wing and put the battery behind the rear seat to make the G come in. Raymond.
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Subject: | Re: Photos from Brodhead 2010 |
Great reconnaissance work Bill, thank you.
rick
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Okay Piet lovers, I have managed to edit, resize and upload to
> photobucket.com the 400 photos that I took this past weekend. They have
> been sized to 800x600 so that they load quickly for easier viewing. Hope
> that you all enjoy them!
>
>
> http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff297/billmz/Brodhead%20Pietenpol%20Fly-In%202010/
>
> --------
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> tailfeathers almost done
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306527#306527
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Visit to the Groah's |
All,
You will remember this post from a few days ago from Mike and Vic Groah.
Knowing that Mike has certain =91skills=92 with Photoshop, and having
nothing
better to do today, I made the 4 =BD hour drive to their shop, just to
see for
myself if that cowl was deserving of Jack Phillip=92s kind
remarks=85.and it is!
Still with some work left to do, that cowl is ONE NICE FIT!! Vic claims
that
he just beat the aluminum in to submission, but I learned the real
secret
for their craftsmanship. To do a cowl like theirs, both the top and the
bottom have to be curved. Living in a rural setting, they have a variety
of
trees, poles and fence posts, from which to choose the most advantageous
radius=85.and there=92s no denying the results.
As threatened, upon entering their shop, they made me remove my glasses
and
put an eye patch over my good eye; but that didn=92t keep me from
finding some
treasures on their workbench. Understanding Pietenpolers, they politely
turned their backs, pretending to be discussing the next step on the oil
cooler cut out, allowing me the dignity of absconding some cool items
under
my t-shirt, thereby saving face with the Pietenpol Community. I made off
with some neat, plastic spark plug wire number tabs (I always lose count
after 5), and a cool Pietenpol vinyl logo made in Mike=92s design (I may
secretly stick that on someone=92s RV at the next EAA meeting), and a
VERY
handy used distributor shaft. Corvairists know that we use an old shaft
to
spin up the oil pressure before the first start.
Then, in true rural California style, they took me to lunch, where they
continued to grill me. I=92m pretty sure they were trying to figure out
if my
intentions with my Pietenpol are honorable!
Thanks Mike & Vic!! I=92ll return the distributor shaft, soon=85.unless
my oil
pressure doesn=92t come up=85in which event, no telling how far I can
huck that
thing from my back yard deck=85
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: project progress update
I don't post very often, as I like to sit back and just soak up the
information from everyone else,
but I told Gary Boothe I'd send him a pic or two updating the progress
on my
cowl and I figured
I'd let everyone else see too. All of the firewall forward stuff really
eats a lot of time and seems like
it doesn't show. Friends drop by hearing that we have been working on
the
plane and I'm sure they
can't see any progress. We do although, have the engine just about
ready to
run, as soon as I get the
carb rebuilt and the air filter mounted. The
cowl is getting closer, but there is still a bunch to do there
as well. My dad (Vic) and I are still plugging away at it out here in
California, and may actually finish
it one of these days! Anyways, I'm gonna go grab my wife and daughter
and
go enjoy the morning air
flying the Piper. Keep building!
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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Subject: | Re: Landing gear in the plans |
so which landing gear is better? Or rather could someone give me a pros cons list?
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First off....computer issues. Please disregard the last two messages as thi
s electronic visual sending contraption is acting up.....
-
-
Members of the list:
-
The long and short.....Long version: sold Pietenpol project due to business
/financial/family
-------------------------
------ reasons. Sellers regret!
-------------------------
-.....Short version: starting over from scratch!
-
Since I am a wide body pilot, I would like to know the modifications to the
fuse that many are making in length, width, and depth for us larger pilots
. I am in search of added over-all length for other reason too. My last fus
e frame was 6" wider to accommodate my size. Anyone made depth changes to t
he fuse to settle down inside a bit more? Any fuse modification to improve
the plane or mods to offer ease of other building issues is much appreciate
!
-
respectfully yours,
-
village idiot!=0A=0A=0A
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Members of the list:
-
The long and short.....Long version: sold Pietenpol project due to business
/financial/family
-------------------------
--- reasons. Sellers regret!
-
-
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Subject: | Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates |
Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates at West Coast Piet.
I tried them Friday evening, and over the weekend learned how to use them.
I came up with 5 different color schemes so far. I was using U of IL colors
(signal blue and orange) since my build partner and my son are both
engineering graduates of the U of I.
I have attached them here in case any of you are curious about what they
look like or want to use them yourself.
Thanks again, Chris.
John Fay in Peoria
(Could only attach two, the files were too large.)
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Subject: | Re: Fuse Questions! |
Ken
I'm a pretty wide glide myself I widened my fuse by 3 inches so I am 27" to
the inside and 29 outside dimension from the longerons. I carried that
from the firewall to the rear seat back frame on a long fuse design. no
changes to length or depth and to tell ya the truth last time I tried it on it
felt good. That's about all I can tell ya, other than welcome back to the
build.
John
First off....computer issues. Please disregard the last two messages
as this electronic visual sending contraption is acting up.....
Members of the list:
The long and short.....Long version: sold Pietenpol project due to
business/financial/family
reasons. Sellers regret!
.....Short version: starting over from scratch!
Since I am a wide body pilot, I would like to know the modifications to
the fuse that many are making in length, width, and depth for us larger
pilots. I am in search of added over-all length for other reason too. My last
fuse frame was 6" wider to accommodate my size. Anyone made depth changes to
the fuse to settle down inside a bit more? Any fuse modification to improve
the plane or mods to offer ease of other building issues is much
appreciate!
respectfully yours,
village idiot!
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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Aren't some also increasing wing span? Seems I saw some 4' center sections.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse Questions!
Ken
I'm a pretty wide glide myself I widened my fuse by 3 inches so I am 27" to
the inside and 29 outside dimension from the longerons. I carried that from
the firewall to the rear seat back frame on a long fuse design. no changes
to length or depth and to tell ya the truth last time I tried it on it felt
good. That's about all I can tell ya, other than welcome back to the build.
John
First off....computer issues. Please disregard the last two messages as this
electronic visual sending contraption is acting up.....
Members of the list:
The long and short.....Long version: sold Pietenpol project due to
business/financial/family
reasons. Sellers regret!
.....Short version: starting over from scratch!
Since I am a wide body pilot, I would like to know the modifications to the
fuse that many are making in length, width, and depth for us larger pilots.
I am in search of added over-all length for other reason too. My last fuse
frame was 6" wider to accommodate my size. Anyone made depth changes to the
fuse to settle down inside a bit more? Any fuse modification to improve the
plane or mods to offer ease of other building issues is much appreciate!
respectfully yours,
village idiot!
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href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
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Subject: | Re: Visit to the Groah's |
Gary,
You're having entirely too much fun, looking at neat Pietenpol projects
like Mike's. With that nose, I'm wondering where the P-51 chin scoop is
for the radiator. All it needs is a big spinner and some nose art and it
would be right at home in the European Theater of Operations, with some
eighteen year old fly-boy grinning from under a leather helmet and goggles.
You might want to Photoshop Mike up in those.
Darrel
On 8/2/2010 7:07 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> All,
>
> You will remember this post from a few days ago from Mike and Vic
> Groah. Knowing that Mike has certain 'skills' with Photoshop, and
> having nothing better to do today, I made the 4 hour drive to their
> shop, just to see for myself if that cowl was deserving of Jack
> Phillip's kind remarks....and it is! Still with some work left to do,
> that cowl is ONE NICE FIT!! Vic claims that he just beat the aluminum
> in to submission, but I learned the real secret for their
> craftsmanship. To do a cowl like theirs, both the top and the bottom
> have to be curved. Living in a rural setting, they have a variety of
> trees, poles and fence posts, from which to choose the most
> advantageous radius....and there's no denying the results.
>
> As threatened, upon entering their shop, they made me remove my
> glasses and put an eye patch over my good eye; but that didn't keep me
> from finding some treasures on their workbench. Understanding
> Pietenpolers, they politely turned their backs, pretending to be
> discussing the next step on the oil cooler cut out, allowing me the
> dignity of absconding some cool items under my t-shirt, thereby saving
> face with the Pietenpol Community. I made off with some neat, plastic
> spark plug wire number tabs (I always lose count after 5), and a cool
> Pietenpol vinyl logo made in Mike's design (I may secretly stick that
> on someone's RV at the next EAA meeting), and a VERY handy used
> distributor shaft. Corvairists know that we use an old shaft to spin
> up the oil pressure before the first start.
>
> Then, in true rural California style, they took me to lunch, where
> they continued to grill me. I'm pretty sure they were trying to figure
> out if my intentions with my Pietenpol are honorable!
>
> Thanks Mike & Vic!! I'll return the distributor shaft, soon....unless
> my oil pressure doesn't come up...in which event, no telling how far I
> can huck that thing from my back yard deck...
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> 20 ribs done
>
>
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Subject: | Visit to the Groah's |
Darrel,
They live within walking distance of the Tulare airport=85might be a
good
Sunday flight for you in the Stinson. You will be amazed at the things
you
see in their shop/museum!! You never know, Mike may even pick you up at
the
ramp in a 1914 Ford=85or who knows what!
I drove back to the SF bay area, another 4 =BD hours, thinking about the
quality of their work, trying to legitimize my project compared to
theirs.
Then it hit me=85..ANYONE can do flawless paint and baby butt smooth
varnish,
but it takes real skill to build a Piet so that it looks like it=92s
been in
the air since 1937=85like mine=85.
=85and, Yes, I=92m living The Dream!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel
Jones
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Visit to the Groah's
Gary,
You're having entirely too much fun, looking at neat Pietenpol projects
like
Mike's. With that nose, I'm wondering where the P-51 chin scoop is for
the
radiator. All it needs is a big spinner and some nose art and it would
be
right at home in the European Theater of Operations, with some eighteen
year
old fly-boy grinning from under a leather helmet and goggles.
You might want to Photoshop Mike up in those.
Darrel
On 8/2/2010 7:07 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
All,
You will remember this post from a few days ago from Mike and Vic Groah.
Knowing that Mike has certain =91skills=92 with Photoshop, and having
nothing
better to do today, I made the 4 =BD hour drive to their shop, just to
see for
myself if that cowl was deserving of Jack Phillip=92s kind
remarks=85.and it is!
Still with some work left to do, that cowl is ONE NICE FIT!! Vic claims
that
he just beat the aluminum in to submission, but I learned the real
secret
for their craftsmanship. To do a cowl like theirs, both the top and the
bottom have to be curved. Living in a rural setting, they have a variety
of
trees, poles and fence posts, from which to choose the most advantageous
radius=85.and there=92s no denying the results.
As threatened, upon entering their shop, they made me remove my glasses
and
put an eye patch over my good eye; but that didn=92t keep me from
finding some
treasures on their workbench. Understanding Pietenpolers, they politely
turned their backs, pretending to be discussing the next step on the oil
cooler cut out, allowing me the dignity of absconding some cool items
under
my t-shirt, thereby saving face with the Pietenpol Community. I made off
with some neat, plastic spark plug wire number tabs (I always lose count
after 5), and a cool Pietenpol vinyl logo made in Mike=92s design (I may
secretly stick that on someone=92s RV at the next EAA meeting), and a
VERY
handy used distributor shaft. Corvairists know that we use an old shaft
to
spin up the oil pressure before the first start.
Then, in true rural California style, they took me to lunch, where they
continued to grill me. I=92m pretty sure they were trying to figure out
if my
intentions with my Pietenpol are honorable!
Thanks Mike & Vic!! I=92ll return the distributor shaft, soon=85.unless
my oil
pressure doesn=92t come up=85in which event, no telling how far I can
huck that
thing from my back yard deck=85
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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Subject: | Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? |
Is home Manson, Iowa?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Vetter" <vetter@evertek.net>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet?
>
> Thanks guys for the replies. I now have a better idea in the differences.
>
> I ended up with a pair of airframes (Pietenpols)and parts last winter. I
> hauled them home from St.Paul. Kirk Huizinga had them, one of which had
> been built and flown for a number of years in MN. Air Camper #1 was built
> by Hans Meyer and had a corvair like Bernie's conversion leaving the
> cooling fan in place. Air Camper # 2 came from Michigan and has never
> flown. Both planes were totally tore down. Kirk had them for a number of
> years and decide he wasn't going to have the chance to get at least one of
> them finished.
> He has a good start on one engine, but everything else is in pieces. Air
> Camper # 1 will be the one that I hope to get back to flying condition,
> and Air Camper #2.... well I have my doubts about it. So that is where I
> am at the moment. Being able to get to Brodhead helped as I was able to
> look at how things are, and the many different ways of doing things.
>
> I'm still trying to get a shop set up to work in, so as soon as thats done
> I hope to get started.
> Thanks again for the replies.
>
> Larry
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307245#307245
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Landing gear in the plans |
Well, the Jenny gear looks much better and gets a lot more attention wherever you
fly into, but it is heavier than the steel-tube split gear. Personally I think
that it will be much easier to build the Jenny-style gear, but I am far better
at woodworking than at cutting and welding steel tubing. That's my take
on the landing gear situation...
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Re: Happy birthday, Corky! |
Corky,
Happy Birthday and many regards to you and Isabelle.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 2, 2010 1:35 PM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy birthday, Corky!
>
>
>
>Corky Corbett, builder of Air Camper N41CC, has a birthday
>today (unless my memory is fading). He's probably long
>past the point of caring about candles to blow out, but
>if he were to give it a try, he'd need to huff 87 of them
>out today or he wouldn't get his wish ;o)
>
>Thanks for a fun and capable airplane, SIR!
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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