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1. 04:18 AM - Re: Re: Landing gear in the plans (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: Re: Landing gear in the plans (H RULE)
3. 05:38 AM - Another Very Nice Piet Underway (Jack Phillips)
4. 05:58 AM - Re: Visit to the Groah's (TOM STINEMETZE)
5. 06:12 AM - Re: Visit to the Groah's (Gary Boothe)
6. 06:14 AM - Re: Another Very Nice Piet Underway (Gary Boothe)
7. 06:16 AM - Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? (Larry Vetter)
8. 06:34 AM - Re: Another Very Nice Piet Underway (Jim Markle)
9. 06:34 AM - Re: Visit to the Groah's (TOM STINEMETZE)
10. 07:27 AM - Brodhead flybys (Baldeagle)
11. 07:39 AM - Re: Another Very Nice Piet Underway (Jack Phillips)
12. 07:43 AM - Re: Brodhead flybys (Jack Phillips)
13. 07:49 AM - landing gears (Douwe Blumberg)
14. 08:23 AM - Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates (Jim Boyer)
15. 08:23 AM - Re: Visit to the Groah's (Jim Boyer)
16. 09:12 AM - Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates (John Fay)
17. 09:14 AM - Re: Brodhead flybys (Gene Rambo)
18. 09:18 AM - Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (kevinpurtee)
19. 09:32 AM - Re: Brodhead flybys (Isablcorky@aol.com)
20. 09:41 AM - Re: landing gears (Jack Phillips)
21. 09:43 AM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (John Fay)
22. 10:08 AM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (Jack Phillips)
23. 10:11 AM - Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates (Jack Phillips)
24. 10:13 AM - Re: landing gears (Gene Rambo)
25. 10:30 AM - Re: Brodhead flybys (K5YAC)
26. 10:35 AM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (Gene Rambo)
27. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead flybys (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
28. 10:42 AM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (kevinpurtee)
29. 10:50 AM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (kevinpurtee)
30. 10:50 AM - Re: landing gears (Jack Phillips)
31. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead flybys (Jack Phillips)
32. 11:22 AM - Re: Brodhead flybys (K5YAC)
33. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead flybys (Jack Phillips)
34. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead flybys (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
35. 11:37 AM - Re: Brodhead flybys (Dan Yocum)
36. 11:41 AM - Re: Crash - Brodhead can be frustating (shad bell)
37. 11:49 AM - Re: Crash - Brodhead can be frustating (kevinpurtee)
38. 12:19 PM - Brodhead flybys--excellent points (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
39. 12:21 PM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (Jim Boyer)
40. 12:23 PM - Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates (Jim Boyer)
41. 12:28 PM - Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates (Jim Boyer)
42. 12:36 PM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. (shad bell)
43. 12:37 PM - Kevin's dream comes true with a few bumps (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
44. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
45. 12:56 PM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (Rick Holland)
46. 01:07 PM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (airlion)
47. 01:09 PM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (Dan P)
48. 01:32 PM - Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates (John Fay)
49. 01:41 PM - Re: Brodhead flybys (K5YAC)
50. 02:51 PM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (Rick Holland)
51. 03:24 PM - Re: Landing gear in the plans (j_dunavin)
52. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (helspersew@aol.com)
53. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (Jack Phillips)
54. 04:41 PM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (Pieti Lowell)
55. 04:52 PM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (gtche98)
56. 04:53 PM - Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates (Jack Phillips)
57. 05:09 PM - Re: Another Very Nice Piet Underway (dgaldrich)
58. 05:11 PM - Axel's Pond (Gary Boothe)
59. 05:33 PM - Re: Axel's Pond (John Hofmann)
60. 05:44 PM - Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country? (Ben Charvet)
61. 05:44 PM - CSCS (Gary Boothe)
62. 05:44 PM - Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (Ben Charvet)
63. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: Another Very Nice Piet Underway (Jim Markle)
64. 05:54 PM - Re: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country? (Jeff Boatright)
65. 05:58 PM - Re: CSCS (John Hofmann)
66. 06:09 PM - Re: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country? (Jack Phillips)
67. 06:47 PM - Re: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country? (Ben Charvet)
68. 07:03 PM - Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates- the "lost" Bernerd Pietenpol papers (helspersew@aol.com)
69. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Landing gear in the plans (helspersew@aol.com)
70. 07:48 PM - First visit to a Pietenpoler (Piet2112)
71. 07:56 PM - Re: engine run-on (ldmill)
72. 07:57 PM - Re: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post (Gene Rambo)
73. 08:00 PM - Re: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country? (Gene Rambo)
74. 08:01 PM - Re: landing gears (Don Emch)
75. 08:22 PM - Re: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country? (Andrew M Eldredge)
76. 08:30 PM - Re: Brodhead flybys (BYD)
77. 09:01 PM - Re: landing gears (j_dunavin)
78. 09:07 PM - Re: Another Very Nice Piet Underway (K5YAC)
79. 10:32 PM - Brodhead 2011, Ohio Piet Fly-in (shad bell)
80. 10:54 PM - Re: Brodhead 2011, Ohio Piet Fly-in (Matthew VanDervort)
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear in the plans |
j_, (would like to know your first name)
The wood gear is heavier but looks cooler. The wood gear has more drag but
looks coooler. The wood gear is harder to make but looks cooler. I chose
the Pietenpol to build because it was the coolest-looking airplane around
. So the choice is yours to make. Now there are some instructions for the
wood gear on westcoastpiet.com that make it much easier (thanks Chris Tra
cy).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 9:37 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear in the plans
so which landing gear is better? Or rather could someone give me a pros co
ns
ist?
ead this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear in the plans |
You can now get paint that makes the metal look like wood and that looks co
ol =0Atoo.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "helspers
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gear in the plans=0A=0Aj_, (would like to know your first name)=0A=0AThe wo
od gear is heavier but looks cooler. The wood gear has more drag but looks
=0Acoooler. The wood gear is harder to make but looks cooler. I chose the P
ietenpol =0Ato build because it was the coolest-looking airplane around. So
the choice is =0Ayours to make. Now there are some instructions for the wo
od gear on =0Awestcoastpiet.com that make it much easier (thanks Chris Trac
y).=0A=0ADan Helsper=0APoplar Grove, IL.=0A=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A-----Origin
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| Subject: | Another Very Nice Piet Underway |
Last night I met the inimitable Jim Markle at the home of Chuck Borsuk to
view Chuck's progress on his Pietenpol (well, partly to view Chuck's
progress and partly to harass Mr. Markle).
Chuck is doing an outstanding job, in the neatest woodshop I've ever seen
(he posted pictures of it a couple of weeks ago, but the pictures don't do
it justice). The "standard" for quality Pietenpol construction continues to
go up.
Here's a picture of the three of us, with a rib just popped from the jig
(gussets have not been trimmed yet):
Jim reports that his Piet is just about ready for cover, so there's a chance
we'll see it flying into Brodhead next summer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to the Groah's |
Mike and Vic:
I agree, that is one sweet (or swheat as we spell it in Kansas) looking
cowl. One question though. Are you just daylighting the exhaust at the
end of the cast exhaust log or will you have to hog some more metal out to
make room for a pipe?
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | Visit to the Groah's |
Tom,
I can answer for Mike.both exhausts exit nicely at the bottom. You will
barely see it in the attached.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Visit to the Groah's
Mike and Vic:
I agree, that is one sweet (or swheat as we spell it in Kansas) looking
cowl. One question though. Are you just daylighting the exhaust at the end
of the cast exhaust log or will you have to hog some more metal out to make
room for a pipe?
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | Another Very Nice Piet Underway |
Markle's almost ready to cover? That may be the best news this week!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Very Nice Piet Underway
Last night I met the inimitable Jim Markle at the home of Chuck Borsuk to
view Chuck's progress on his Pietenpol (well, partly to view Chuck's
progress and partly to harass Mr. Markle).
Chuck is doing an outstanding job, in the neatest woodshop I've ever seen
(he posted pictures of it a couple of weeks ago, but the pictures don't do
it justice). The "standard" for quality Pietenpol construction continues to
go up.
Here's a picture of the three of us, with a rib just popped from the jig
(gussets have not been trimmed yet):
Jim reports that his Piet is just about ready for cover, so there's a chance
we'll see it flying into Brodhead next summer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? |
mushface1(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Is home Manson, Iowa?
>
>
> ---
Yes Sir..
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| Subject: | Another Very Nice Piet Underway |
Thanks for putting me on the hot seat Jack!!! (Oh yeah, and nice shirt!!!) Well,
yeah, parts of my project are ready for cover. I still have some wing stuff
to do and a lot of little thingys to finish up. I have a couple weeks working
from home coming up and did some cleaning an rearranging last weekend so I'm
ready to get back at it....
Been mostly working on the tank lately and took some engine parts off so I can
clean and paint....there's PLENTY left to do....
It was really neat meeting Chuck and hanging out with him and Jack last evening.
Chuck's workshop is even better than the pictures. He's doing it right.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Aug 3, 2010 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Very Nice Piet Underway
Markles almost ready to cover? That may be the best news
this week!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
From:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Very Nice Piet Underway
Last night I met the inimitable Jim Markle at the home of
Chuck Borsuk to view Chucks progress on his Pietenpol (well, partly to
view Chucks progress and partly to harass Mr. Markle).
Chuck is doing an outstanding job, in the neatest woodshop
Ive ever seen (he posted pictures of it a couple of weeks ago, but the
pictures dont do it justice). The standard for
quality Pietenpol construction continues to go up.
Heres a picture of the three of us, with a rib just
popped from the jig (gussets have not been trimmed yet):
Jim reports that his Piet is just about ready for cover, so
theres a chance well see it flying into Brodhead next summer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Visit to the Groah's |
Wow, that's impressive! It doesn't appear possible to make the exhaust
turn that quickly behind the exhaust log but, obviously, they were able
to get it accomplished. I would sure like to see a close up of the back
side of the head to see how they did it.
Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> 8/3/2010 8:11 AM >>>
Tom,
I can answer for Mikeboth exhausts exit nicely at the bottom. You will
barely see it in the attached.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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Had a great time at the Piet fly-in, but saw one safety issue that I thought should
be addressed. The flyby pattern used to be a regular rectangular pattern
with downwind south of the airport and flyby passes over the north hangar area,
south of the runway and not over it, parallel to and same direction as landing
traffic. This year I saw Pietenpols doing flybys upwind, downwind, and crosswind,
and even circling in the flyby pattern. All it would take is for one
time for two guys to not see each other and it would be a bad deal. I would
suggest that a standard flyby pattern be enumerated for all participants and maybe
posted in various places during the fly-in.
Other than that, enjoyed seeing the new and old airplanes, new and old people,
and getting the Rudolph Piet back in the air.
-
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307307#307307
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| Subject: | Another Very Nice Piet Underway |
Chuck told me this morning that his nice oscillating belt sander is
missing...
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Very Nice Piet Underway
Thanks for putting me on the hot seat Jack!!! (Oh yeah, and nice shirt!!!)
Well, yeah, parts of my project are ready for cover. I still have some wing
stuff to do and a lot of little thingys to finish up. I have a couple weeks
working from home coming up and did some cleaning an rearranging last
weekend so I'm ready to get back at it....
Been mostly working on the tank lately and took some engine parts off so I
can clean and paint....there's PLENTY left to do....
It was really neat meeting Chuck and hanging out with him and Jack last
evening. Chuck's workshop is even better than the pictures. He's doing it
right.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Aug 3, 2010 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Very Nice Piet Underway
Markle's almost ready to cover? That may be the best news
this week!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
From:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Very Nice Piet Underway
Last night I met the inimitable Jim Markle at the home of
Chuck Borsuk to view Chuck's progress on his Pietenpol (well, partly to
view Chuck's progress and partly to harass Mr. Markle).
Chuck is doing an outstanding job, in the neatest woodshop
I've ever seen (he posted pictures of it a couple of weeks ago, but the
pictures don't do it justice). The "standard" for
quality Pietenpol construction continues to go up.
Here's a picture of the three of us, with a rib just
popped from the jig (gussets have not been trimmed yet):
Jim reports that his Piet is just about ready for cover, so
there's a chance we'll see it flying into Brodhead next summer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Good point, Rob - particularly because there are few airplanes with worse
visibility in a turn than a Pietenpol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Baldeagle
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead flybys
<baldeagle27@earthlink.net>
Had a great time at the Piet fly-in, but saw one safety issue that I thought
should be addressed. The flyby pattern used to be a regular rectangular
pattern with downwind south of the airport and flyby passes over the north
hangar area, south of the runway and not over it, parallel to and same
direction as landing traffic. This year I saw Pietenpols doing flybys
upwind, downwind, and crosswind, and even circling in the flyby pattern.
All it would take is for one time for two guys to not see each other and it
would be a bad deal. I would suggest that a standard flyby pattern be
enumerated for all participants and maybe posted in various places during
the fly-in.
Other than that, enjoyed seeing the new and old airplanes, new and old
people, and getting the Rudolph Piet back in the air.
-
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307307#307307
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Here's my $.02 cents on the different landing gears. (and worth every
penny!)
"Jenny gear" is significantly heavier due to that big 'ole axle, and one has
to devise some clever means to keep the axle from rotating if one uses
brakes. From all my reading of old newsletter back issues and FAA accident
reports, and my own experience this spring I believe the Jenny gear has
proven itself to be the stronger design. I do not believe it is easier to
make, on the contrary, I think it is one of the trickiest parts of the whole
project. Welding up the split gear would be much easier in my opnion.
"split gear" (shouldn't really call it a cub gear because it predated the
cub) is much lighter, easier to make and simpler to install brakes on.
This gear also won't catch tall weeds or crops in an off field landing and
flip one over as easily as the axle on the Jenny style will. Though Larry
Williams claims his Jenny gear axle saved him from nosing over in his off
field experience when he taxied into a hidden hole and the only thing
keeping the plane from going over was the axle catching on the edge of the
hole.
As beautify is in the eye of the beholder, I can't say which is prettier. I
love the nostalgic look and strength of the Jenny gear, but I also love a
split type gear with big wheels like Don Emch's, and you see that a lot in
old pictures.
Bernard Pietenpol didn't build too many with the Jenny gear before he went
to the split type gear and never looked back, mainly because he was BIG into
saving weight, and he claimed the split axle didn't catch weeds as much in
overgrown fields which they landed in a LOT.
I'm using the Jenny gear because its' nostalgia and strength.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates |
John,
both paint schemes look good but I like the effect the one with White has.
It seems to keep the orange and blue in better balance. Good looking though
both of them.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Fay" <jfay1950@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 7:44:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates
Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates at West Coast Piet.
=C2-
I tried them Friday evening, and over the weekend learned how to use them.
=C2- I came up with 5 different color schemes so far.=C2- I was using U
of IL colors (signal blue and orange) since my build partner and my son ar
e both engineering graduates of the U of I.
=C2-
I have attached them here in case any of you are curious about what they lo
ok like or want to use them yourself.
=C2-
Thanks again, Chris.
=C2-
John Fay in Peoria
(Could only attach two, the files were too large.)
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to the Groah's |
Hi Chris,
I agree with Darrel; you are having too much fun. I have the market corned
though on making my Piet look like its been in the air since 1937...=C2-b
ut not before October 18th, 1937 anyway.
Both your Piet and Mike and Vics are looking very good. A big spinner would
have a kinda Merlin look to it.
Jim
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 8:49:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Visit to the Groah's
Darrel,
They live within walking distance of=C2- the Tulare airportmight
be a good Sunday flight for you in the Stinson. You will be amazed at the
things you see in their shop/museum!! You never know, Mike may even pick yo
u up at the ramp in a 1914 Fordor who knows what!
I drove back to the SF bay area, another 4 =C2=BD hours, thinking about the
quality of their work, trying to legitimize my project compared to theirs.
Then it hit me..ANYONE can do flawless paint and baby butt smooth
varnish, but it takes real skill to build a Piet so that it looks like it
=99s been in the air since 1937like mine.
and, Yes, I=99m living The Dream!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel Jones
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Visit to the Groah's
Gary,
You're having entirely too much fun, looking at neat Pietenpol projects lik
e Mike's. With that nose, I'm wondering where the P-51 chin scoop is for th
e radiator. All it needs is a big spinner and some nose art and it would be
right at home in the European Theater of Operations, with some eighteen ye
ar old fly-boy grinning from under a leather helmet and goggles.
You might want to Photoshop Mike up in those.
Darrel
On 8/2/2010 7:07 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
All,
You will remember this post from a few days ago from Mike and Vic Groah. Kn
owing that Mike has certain =98skills=99 with Photoshop, and ha
ving nothing better to do today, I made the 4 =C2=BD hour drive to their sh
op, just to see for myself if that cowl was deserving of Jack Phillip
=99s kind remarks.and it is! Still with some work left to do, that
cowl is ONE NICE FIT!! Vic claims that he just beat the aluminum in to sub
mission, but I learned the real secret for their craftsmanship. To do a cow
l like theirs, both the top and the bottom have to be curved. Living in a r
ural setting, they have a variety of trees, poles and fence posts, from whi
ch to choose the most advantageous radius.and there=99s no d
enying the results.
As threatened, upon entering their shop, they made me remove my glasses and
put an eye patch over my good eye; but that didn=99t keep me from fi
nding some treasures on their workbench. Understanding =C2-Pietenpolers,
they politely turned their backs, pretending to be discussing the next step
on the oil cooler cut out, allowing me the dignity of absconding some cool
items under my t-shirt, thereby saving face with the Pietenpol Community.
I made off with some neat, plastic spark plug wire number tabs (I always lo
se count after 5), and a cool Pietenpol vinyl logo made in Mike=99s d
esign (I may secretly stick that on someone=99s RV at the next EAA me
eting), and a VERY handy used distributor shaft. Corvairists know that we u
se an old shaft to spin up the oil pressure before the first start.
Then, in true rural California style, they took me to lunch, where they con
tinued to grill me. I=99m pretty sure they were trying to figure out
if my intentions with my Pietenpol are honorable!
Thanks Mike & Vic!! I=99ll return the distributor shaft, soon
.unless my oil pressure doesn=99t come upin which event,
no telling how far I can huck that thing from my back yard deck
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates |
Jim,
The three or four that I have shown the schemes to all like #4 the best.
But I think I will need to consult with Dan Helsper, the Keeper of the Book,
to see if a three color paint scheme is permissable. It almost seems too
flashy to be in the spirit of Bernard Pietenpol.
John Fay
in Peoria
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
> John,
>
> both paint schemes look good but I like the effect the one with White has.
> It seems to keep the orange and blue in better balance. Good looking though
> both of them.
>
> Jim
>
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I agree 100% with Andrew's observations and would like to add one more safe
ty issue that really bothered me . . . propping airplanes! This year=2C I
saw every conceivable method used to prop airplanes. Often=2C a pilot woul
d request a bystander to give a prop=2C but it appeared that they did not a
lways know the individual or his experience/capabilities in propping aircra
ft.
I don't want to start yet another debate on the "proper" way to prop an air
plane=2C it depends on the engine=2C whether it has impulse couplings=2C et
c. There were people standing behind the prop and leaning wayyy into it to
prop (I know you know what you are doing -not saying name-=2C but it looke
d very=2C very dangerous every time you did it)=3B there were people holdin
g onto the very tip of the blade with their fingers slipping off 90% of the
time=3B there were the "leg swingers" who throw one leg almost over their
head before propping=2C ensuring that they are off-balance and possibly sti
ll on one foot with the raised leg in the way when the engine fired (it's a
65 Contintental=2C not a P&W 1340!)=3B and I saw one gentleman who=2C afte
r spinning the prop with no start=2C turned the prop slowly through several
blades with both hands WHILE THE IMPULSE COUPLING WAS CLICKING THE WHOLE T
IME and the switch still hot! There have been a couple of relatively minor
(I'm sure not to the recipients) propping injuries already=2C but it is a
matter of time until someone gets seriously injured.
To add to Andrew's suggestions=2C I propose that we encourage our group to
allow only known individuals to prop their aircraft=2C and possibly add a f
orum on hand propping to the Saturday lineup=2C out in front of the aircraf
t with differing engines/setups as demonstrations.
Gene Rambo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead flybys
> From: baldeagle27@earthlink.net
> Date: Tue=2C 3 Aug 2010 07:27:29 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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net>
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> Had a great time at the Piet fly-in=2C but saw one safety issue that I th
ought should be addressed. The flyby pattern used to be a regular rectangul
ar pattern with downwind south of the airport and flyby passes over the nor
th hangar area=2C south of the runway and not over it=2C parallel to and sa
me direction as landing traffic. This year I saw Pietenpols doing flybys up
wind=2C downwind=2C and crosswind=2C and even circling in the flyby pattern
. All it would take is for one time for two guys to not see each other and
it would be a bad deal. I would suggest that a standard flyby pattern be en
umerated for all participants and maybe posted in various places during the
fly-in.
>
> Other than that=2C enjoyed seeing the new and old airplanes=2C new and ol
d people=2C and getting the Rudolph Piet back in the air.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307307#307307
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| Subject: | Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post |
Bottom Line Up Front: made it from Brodhead to Oshkosh and then back to Austin
safe and sound. Got home Monday, 2 August. Had a blast, even with all the drama.
Were already planning next years trip.
Details:
- Sunday, 25 Jul: After the dramatic Friday and the successful Saturday, I was
shooting landings at Brodhead. As I was taxiing the bungee on the repaired gear
broke. Fortunately, it happened as I was moving at a brisk walk (and most
of you people were already gone, thank God). Pretty frustrating but not tragic.
- Monday, 26 Jul: Went to Oshkosh to get repair parts and establish camp. Good
day.
- Tuesday, 27 Jul: Back to Brodhead to make field-expedient repair on gear. Success.
However, during the repair, I ran my face into the propeller tip and gave
myself a really good cut and bruise. Ive hit my head on the prop before and
have the scar to show for it. I had a tantrum. Not a little tantrum, but
the tantrum of a man who has just experienced the 5 most frustrating days of his
life. Fortunately, the place was virtually deserted. Shelley let me run on
and get it out. I was ready to burn the plane in place and drive home. She
helped me calm down, regain reason, and encouraged me to fly the airplane to
Oshkosh as planned. She even asked when it would be okay to laugh at me. We
crossed that threshold at about 8 pm that evening.
- Wednesday, 28 Jul: Landed on 36L at OSH and got parked between Bill Rewey and
the worlds most spectacular Hatz. Had a wonderful time the rest of the day.
- Thursday, 29 Jul: Another wonderful day enjoying OSH.
- Friday, 30 Jul: took off in the morning. Almost got run over by an RV my greatest
fear. Stopped early due to weather.
- Saturday, 31 Jul through Monday, 2 August: a routine flight back home. (One
minor note: I lost my SPOT personal locator beacon off the plane somewhere between
Iowa City and Cameron, MO. Didn't do a good job with the safety cord. Anyway,
Shelley looked it up on the internet and SPOT was dutifully reporting its
location every ten minutes. Fortunately, it told us it was laying on the approach
end of runway 36 at Lamoni, IA. I called the airport manager, he found
it and he's mailing it back to me. Great people in aviation!)
Thanks again to all of you who helped recover from the landing gear debacle. I
think I forgot to mention Gene Rambo in my last post. He helped a lot and I
appreciate it.
Look forward to seeing you guys next year.
Axel
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead flybys |
Most intelligent and needed post I've seen on this list in a long time.
CMC
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Well said, Douwe. I agree completely with everything you said.
One other consideration when making the Jenny style straight axle gear is
that from an engineering standpoint, it is a very inefficient design in that
the bending moment in the axle is constant across the entire length of the
axle from bungee to bungee. What this means is that it does no good to try
to beef up the highly stressed area because the stress is essentially
constant all along the axle. That requires a pretty substantial wall
thickness in the tubing, or heat treating to increase strength, or both. I
broke my first axle in a hard forced landing. It was 1.5" diameter, .125"
thick 4130. My new axle is 1.5" dia, .188" thick and heat treated to
160,000 psi ultimate strength. Going to the thicker wall added nearly 4 lbs
to the airplane.
If I were to build another Pietenpol, I would do the split axle gear with
wire wheels, as Don Emch did. It preserves most of the antique look while
saving considerable weight and bother.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing gears
Here's my $.02 cents on the different landing gears. (and worth every
penny!)
"Jenny gear" is significantly heavier due to that big 'ole axle, and one has
to devise some clever means to keep the axle from rotating if one uses
brakes. From all my reading of old newsletter back issues and FAA accident
reports, and my own experience this spring I believe the Jenny gear has
proven itself to be the stronger design. I do not believe it is easier to
make, on the contrary, I think it is one of the trickiest parts of the whole
project. Welding up the split gear would be much easier in my opnion.
"split gear" (shouldn't really call it a cub gear because it predated the
cub) is much lighter, easier to make and simpler to install brakes on.
This gear also won't catch tall weeds or crops in an off field landing and
flip one over as easily as the axle on the Jenny style will. Though Larry
Williams claims his Jenny gear axle saved him from nosing over in his off
field experience when he taxied into a hidden hole and the only thing
keeping the plane from going over was the axle catching on the edge of the
hole.
As beautify is in the eye of the beholder, I can't say which is prettier. I
love the nostalgic look and strength of the Jenny gear, but I also love a
split type gear with big wheels like Don Emch's, and you see that a lot in
old pictures.
Bernard Pietenpol didn't build too many with the Jenny gear before he went
to the split type gear and never looked back, mainly because he was BIG into
saving weight, and he claimed the split axle didn't catch weeds as much in
overgrown fields which they landed in a LOT.
I'm using the Jenny gear because its' nostalgia and strength.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post |
Kevin,
It was great to see you and your plane this year. That must be quite an
adventure to fly it all the way up from Texas.
Do you think you could bring Oscar Z. and Hans Van. with you next year.
Those are two guys I would really like to meet, and two planes I have been
waiting for years to see.
John Fay
in Peoria
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Glad you made it home safely, Kevin, and very glad to have met you. You are a
great ambassador for our favorite airplane, and obviously a very good pilot.
Looking forward to seeing you and Shelley there next year.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post
Bottom Line Up Front: made it from Brodhead to Oshkosh and then back to Austin
safe and sound. Got home Monday, 2 August. Had a blast, even with all the
drama. We?Tre already planning next year?Ts trip.
Details:
- Sunday, 25 Jul: After the dramatic Friday and the successful Saturday, I was
shooting landings at Brodhead. As I was taxiing the bungee on the repaired
gear broke. Fortunately, it happened as I was moving at a brisk walk (and
most of you people were already gone, thank God). Pretty frustrating but not
tragic.
- Monday, 26 Jul: Went to Oshkosh to get repair parts and establish camp.
Good day.
- Tuesday, 27 Jul: Back to Brodhead to make field-expedient repair on gear.
Success. However, during the repair, I ran my face into the propeller tip and
gave myself a really good cut and bruise. I?Tve hit my head on the prop
before and have the scar to show for it. I had a tantrum. Not a little
tantrum, but the tantrum of a man who has just experienced the 5 most
frustrating days of his life. Fortunately, the place was virtually deserted.
Shelley let me run on and get it out. I was ready to burn the plane in place
and drive home. She helped me calm down, regain reason, and encouraged me to
fly the airplane to Oshkosh as planned. She even asked when it would be okay
to laugh at me. We crossed that threshold at about 8 pm that evening.
- Wednesday, 28 Jul: Landed on 36L at OSH and got parked between Bill Rewey
and the world?Ts most spectacular Hatz. Had a wonderful time the rest of the
day.
- Thursday, 29 Jul: Another wonderful day enjoying OSH.
- Friday, 30 Jul: took off in the morning. Almost got run over by an RV ?"
my greatest fear. Stopped early due to weather.
- Saturday, 31 Jul through Monday, 2 August: a routine flight back home. (One
minor note: I lost my SPOT personal locator beacon off the plane somewhere
between Iowa City and Cameron, MO. Didn't do a good job with the safety cord.
Anyway, Shelley looked it up on the internet and SPOT was dutifully reporting
its location every ten minutes. Fortunately, it told us it was laying on the
approach end of runway 36 at Lamoni, IA. I called the airport manager, he
found it and he's mailing it back to me. Great people in aviation!)
Thanks again to all of you who helped recover from the landing gear debacle.
I think I forgot to mention Gene Rambo in my last post. He helped a lot and I
appreciate it.
Look forward to seeing you guys next year.
Axel
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates |
Just be careful. The track record is not good for people who spend much
time thinking about their paint scheme before building the airplane. I
can't think of any that have actually finished their airplane after
developing a detailed paint scheme before fabric covering began.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fay
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates
Jim,
The three or four that I have shown the schemes to all like #4 the best.
But I think I will need to consult with Dan Helsper, the Keeper of the Book,
to see if a three color paint scheme is permissable. It almost seems too
flashy to be in the spirit of Bernard Pietenpol.
John Fay
in Peoria
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
John,
both paint schemes look good but I like the effect the one with White has.
It seems to keep the orange and blue in better balance. Good looking though
both of them.
Jim
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another minor point is that it appears (at least with several I have seen/t
alked to lately) that the "Jenny" gear is so much heavier that wing does no
t have to be pulled back for cg purposes=2C so the cabanes are straight up
and down.
Jack=2C you'll have to admit=2C I think=2C that from an engineering standpo
int=2C the rest of the gear (except the axle) is incredibly strong=2C LOL!
=3B)
Gene
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From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: landing gears
Well said=2C Douwe. I agree completely with everything you said.
One other consideration when making the Jenny style straight axle gear is t
hat from an engineering standpoint=2C it is a very inefficient design in th
at the bending moment in the axle is constant across the entire length of t
he axle from bungee to bungee. What this means is that it does no good to
try to beef up the highly stressed area because the stress is essentially c
onstant all along the axle. That requires a pretty substantial wall thickn
ess in the tubing=2C or heat treating to increase strength=2C or both. I b
roke my first axle in a hard forced landing. It was 1.5=94 diameter=2C .12
5=94 thick 4130. My new axle is 1.5=94 dia=2C .188=94 thick and heat treat
ed to 160=2C000 psi ultimate strength. Going to the thicker wall added nea
rly 4 lbs to the airplane.
If I were to build another Pietenpol=2C I would do the split axle gear with
wire wheels=2C as Don Emch did. It preserves most of the antique look whi
le saving considerable weight and bother.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh=2C NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday=2C August 03=2C 2010 10:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing gears
Here=92s my $.02 cents on the different landing gears. (and worth every pen
ny!)
=93Jenny gear=94 is significantly heavier due to that big =91ole axle=2C an
d one has to devise some clever means to keep the axle from rotating if one
uses brakes. From all my reading of old newsletter back issues and FAA ac
cident reports=2C and my own experience this spring I believe the Jenny gea
r has proven itself to be the stronger design. I do not believe it is easi
er to make=2C on the contrary=2C I think it is one of the trickiest parts o
f the whole project. Welding up the split gear would be much easier in my
opnion.
=93split gear=94 (shouldn=92t really call it a cub gear because it predated
the cub) is much lighter=2C easier to make and simpler to install brakes
on. This gear also won=92t catch tall weeds or crops in an off field landi
ng and flip one over as easily as the axle on the Jenny style will. Though
Larry Williams claims his Jenny gear axle saved him from nosing over in hi
s off field experience when he taxied into a hidden hole and the only thing
keeping the plane from going over was the axle catching on the edge of the
hole.
As beautify is in the eye of the beholder=2C I can=92t say which is prettie
r. I love the nostalgic look and strength of the Jenny gear=2C but I also
love a split type gear with big wheels like Don Emch=92s=2C and you see tha
t a lot in old pictures.
Bernard Pietenpol didn=92t build too many with the Jenny gear before he wen
t to the split type gear and never looked back=2C mainly because he was BIG
into saving weight=2C and he claimed the split axle didn=92t catch weeds a
s much in overgrown fields which they landed in a LOT.
I=92m using the Jenny gear because its=92 nostalgia and strength.
Douwe http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matro
nics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead flybys |
Posting the pattern information sure sounds like a good idea... for the pilots
AND spectators. As for hand propping, I'll be honest, I've never done it. When
we were up there, my wife jokingly said to me, "hey, Bill needs you to prop
his plane." I said, "me?" She said, "no, just kidding, he's got a starter now."
I'm glad she was kidding because for a moment I was looking around for one
of the more experienced fellows to help Bill get going. I've watched several
people hand prop, and have never seen anyone hurt so far. I'm sure I can learn
the proper technique, but of all the ways I've seen it done, I'm not sure
which methods are right.
There was a hand propping demo in the Vintage area at Oshkosh a couple of times
a day, unfortunately I didn't get to see any of them. If a forum is offered
at Brodhead next year, I'd be interested in sitting in.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| Subject: | Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post |
Kevin=2C stop=2C you're killing me=2C LOL!! Any wife who would ASK when it
is OK to laugh is a keeper=2C for sure!! The idea of your SPOT being foun
d like it was=2C instead of in some swamp somewhere (or being held by some
small-townsfolk like some Area 51 device)=2C is too rich! Just when I thou
ght the laughter from Brodhead '10 was fading . . .
Gene Rambo
do not archive
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post
> From: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
> Date: Tue=2C 3 Aug 2010 09:17:59 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
.mil>
>
> Bottom Line Up Front: made it from Brodhead to Oshkosh and then back to A
ustin safe and sound. Got home Monday=2C 2 August. Had a blast=2C even with
all the drama. We=99re already planning next year=99s trip.
>
> Details:
> - Sunday=2C 25 Jul: After the dramatic Friday and the successful Saturday
=2C I was shooting landings at Brodhead. As I was taxiing the bungee on the
repaired gear broke. Fortunately=2C it happened as I was moving at a brisk
walk (and most of you people were already gone=2C thank God). Pretty frust
rating but not tragic.
> - Monday=2C 26 Jul: Went to Oshkosh to get repair parts and establish cam
p. Good day.
> - Tuesday=2C 27 Jul: Back to Brodhead to make field-expedient repair on g
ear. Success. However=2C during the repair=2C I ran my face into the propel
ler tip and gave myself a really good cut and bruise. I=99ve hit my h
ead on the prop before and have the scar to show for it. I had a tantrum. N
ot a little tantrum=2C but the tantrum of a man who has just experienced th
e 5 most frustrating days of his life. Fortunately=2C the place was virtual
ly deserted. Shelley let me run on and get it out. I was ready to burn the
plane in place and drive home. She helped me calm down=2C regain reason=2C
and encouraged me to fly the airplane to Oshkosh as planned. She even asked
when it would be okay to laugh at me. We crossed that threshold at about 8
pm that evening.
> - Wednesday=2C 28 Jul: Landed on 36L at OSH and got parked between Bill R
ewey and the world=99s most spectacular Hatz. Had a wonderful time th
e rest of the day.
> - Thursday=2C 29 Jul: Another wonderful day enjoying OSH.
> - Friday=2C 30 Jul: took off in the morning. Almost got run over by an RV
=93 my greatest fear. Stopped early due to weather.
> - Saturday=2C 31 Jul through Monday=2C 2 August: a routine flight back ho
me. (One minor note: I lost my SPOT personal locator beacon off the plane s
omewhere between Iowa City and Cameron=2C MO. Didn't do a good job with the
safety cord. Anyway=2C Shelley looked it up on the internet and SPOT was d
utifully reporting its location every ten minutes. Fortunately=2C it told u
s it was laying on the approach end of runway 36 at Lamoni=2C IA. I called
the airport manager=2C he found it and he's mailing it back to me. Great pe
ople in aviation!)
>
> Thanks again to all of you who helped recover from the landing gear debac
le. I think I forgot to mention Gene Rambo in my last post. He helped a lot
and I appreciate it.
>
> Look forward to seeing you guys next year.
>
> Axel
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> NX899KP
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Sounds like a good topic for training at next years fly in. The safe
procedure in hand propping. It is conceivable that we may all be faced with that
and no experience or knowledge of how to do it safely. It could be a life
saver or at least has the potential; of being one.
John
In a message dated 8/3/2010 1:30:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hangar10@cox.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Posting the pattern information sure sounds like a good idea... for the
pilots AND spectators. As for hand propping, I'll be honest, I've never done
it. When we were up there, my wife jokingly said to me, "hey, Bill needs
you to prop his plane." I said, "me?" She said, "no, just kidding, he's
got a starter now." I'm glad she was kidding because for a moment I was
looking around for one of the more experienced fellows to help Bill get going.
I've watched several people hand prop, and have never seen anyone hurt so
far. I'm sure I can learn the proper technique, but of all the ways I've
seen it done, I'm not sure which methods are right.
There was a hand propping demo in the Vintage area at Oshkosh a couple of
times a day, unfortunately I didn't get to see any of them. If a forum is
offered at Brodhead next year, I'd be interested in sitting in.
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Thanks, guys.
Hans & Oscar: we need to do a 3 ship next year. Celebrate your 60th, Oscar, and
Hans' whatever. We could even pick up others enroute. They're out there.
My legs are pretty short but when you lose patience I'd just meet you at night.
My route goes 98% over farm fields situated next to interstates. We can try to
sweet-talk Tim into joining Shelley on the ground crew if his plane's not done
yet and we'll be in business.
We could do it and it would be fun. Start thinking:).
Axel
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Truly an adventure, Gene. Good enough that, less then a week after the most frustrating
5 days of my life, I'm ready to go back. What a ball!
Okay, so some people I REALLY wanted to meet were there and I honestly don't recall
meeting them. Am I correct that John Recine & Douwe attended? I'll have
to run you guys down next year.
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No question about that, Gene. As Bernard said in the F&GM, =93The
Jenny-style
gear is the cr=E8me de la cr=E8me of airplane bottoms=94, and it is
incredibly
strong.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: landing gears
another minor point is that it appears (at least with several I have
seen/talked to lately) that the "Jenny" gear is so much heavier that
wing
does not have to be pulled back for cg purposes, so the cabanes are
straight
up and down.
Jack, you'll have to admit, I think, that from an engineering
standpoint,
the rest of the gear (except the axle) is incredibly strong, LOL! ;)
Gene
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From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: landing gears
Well said, Douwe. I agree completely with everything you said.
One other consideration when making the Jenny style straight axle gear
is
that from an engineering standpoint, it is a very inefficient design in
that
the bending moment in the axle is constant across the entire length of
the
axle from bungee to bungee. What this means is that it does no good to
try
to beef up the highly stressed area because the stress is essentially
constant all along the axle. That requires a pretty substantial wall
thickness in the tubing, or heat treating to increase strength, or both.
I
broke my first axle in a hard forced landing. It was 1.5=94 diameter,
.125=94
thick 4130. My new axle is 1.5=94 dia, .188=94 thick and heat treated
to
160,000 psi ultimate strength. Going to the thicker wall added nearly 4
lbs
to the airplane.
If I were to build another Pietenpol, I would do the split axle gear
with
wire wheels, as Don Emch did. It preserves most of the antique look
while
saving considerable weight and bother.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing gears
Here=92s my $.02 cents on the different landing gears. (and worth every
penny!)
=93Jenny gear=94 is significantly heavier due to that big =91ole axle,
and one has
to devise some clever means to keep the axle from rotating if one uses
brakes. From all my reading of old newsletter back issues and FAA
accident
reports, and my own experience this spring I believe the Jenny gear has
proven itself to be the stronger design. I do not believe it is easier
to
make, on the contrary, I think it is one of the trickiest parts of the
whole
project. Welding up the split gear would be much easier in my opnion.
=93split gear=94 (shouldn=92t really call it a cub gear because it
predated the
cub) is much lighter, easier to make and simpler to install brakes on.
This gear also won=92t catch tall weeds or crops in an off field landing
and
flip one over as easily as the axle on the Jenny style will. Though
Larry
Williams claims his Jenny gear axle saved him from nosing over in his
off
field experience when he taxied into a hidden hole and the only thing
keeping the plane from going over was the axle catching on the edge of
the
hole.
As beautify is in the eye of the beholder, I can=92t say which is
prettier. I
love the nostalgic look and strength of the Jenny gear, but I also love
a
split type gear with big wheels like Don Emch=92s, and you see that a
lot in
old pictures.
Bernard Pietenpol didn=92t build too many with the Jenny gear before he
went
to the split type gear and never looked back, mainly because he was BIG
into
saving weight, and he claimed the split axle didn=92t catch weeds as
much in
overgrown fields which they landed in a LOT.
I=92m using the Jenny gear because its=92 nostalgia and strength.
Douwe
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My wife took the hand-propping course at OSH a couple of years ago. She
thought it was odd that the course was taught by a bunch of one-armed men.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead flybys
Posting the pattern information sure sounds like a good idea... for the
pilots AND spectators. As for hand propping, I'll be honest, I've never
done it. When we were up there, my wife jokingly said to me, "hey, Bill
needs you to prop his plane." I said, "me?" She said, "no, just kidding,
he's got a starter now." I'm glad she was kidding because for a moment I
was looking around for one of the more experienced fellows to help Bill get
going. I've watched several people hand prop, and have never seen anyone
hurt so far. I'm sure I can learn the proper technique, but of all the ways
I've seen it done, I'm not sure which methods are right.
There was a hand propping demo in the Vintage area at Oshkosh a couple of
times a day, unfortunately I didn't get to see any of them. If a forum is
offered at Brodhead next year, I'd be interested in sitting in.
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Haaa ha! You are kidding, right?
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> My wife took the hand-propping course at OSH a couple of years ago. She
> thought it was odd that the course was taught by a bunch of one-armed men.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead flybys |
No - it really was taught by several men, a couple of which only had one arm
each. Sort of drives the point home - to the point that she has never
propped an airplane, even though she has taken the training.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead flybys
Haaa ha! You are kidding, right?
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> My wife took the hand-propping course at OSH a couple of years ago. She
> thought it was odd that the course was taught by a bunch of one-armed men.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead flybys |
Okay, now ya got me. I was not going to bring this up however since it has
I need to comment on the pattern flight. From the ground watching the
approaches from several areas on the field, it appeared to me that downwind to
short final was more an arc rather than the squared off pattern we were and
still are required to fly, unless given a straight in approach. This may
have been from my ground vantage point of perspective but I saw few if any
fly a proper pattern. Now that could be because I am not a bean field flyer
or my occupational bent or an observation vantage point. But it seems like
field safety needs to be retrained or revisited each year as to reiterate
good safe pilotage and field operations. We certainly have an ample supply of
qualified instructors and safety people to put together short presentation
on all the safety topics
Just a suggestion for next years opening conference, never hurts to be safe
and remind everyone of the rules once a year. Everyone enjoys the flyin
lets not spoil a great time and wonderful event by one of a catastrophic
nature.
Just my opinion and observation, I apologize for the rant but I have held
off as long as I could.
Thanks
John
In a message dated 8/3/2010 1:52:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
My wife took the hand-propping course at OSH a couple of years ago. She
thought it was odd that the course was taught by a bunch of one-armed men.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead flybys
Posting the pattern information sure sounds like a good idea... for the
pilots AND spectators. As for hand propping, I'll be honest, I've never
done it. When we were up there, my wife jokingly said to me, "hey, Bill
needs you to prop his plane." I said, "me?" She said, "no, just kidding,
he's got a starter now." I'm glad she was kidding because for a moment I
was looking around for one of the more experienced fellows to help Bill
get
going. I've watched several people hand prop, and have never seen anyone
hurt so far. I'm sure I can learn the proper technique, but of all the
ways
I've seen it done, I'm not sure which methods are right.
There was a hand propping demo in the Vintage area at Oshkosh a couple of
times a day, unfortunately I didn't get to see any of them. If a forum is
offered at Brodhead next year, I'd be interested in sitting in.
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead flybys |
Hi Andrew,
Great comments - I hope Bill Weeden or one of the other chapter 431
people are on the list. If not, I'll forward him your comments. A
sheet of the fly-by rules would be a welcome addition to the
complimentary hat they hand out to pilots who bring their Pietenpols to
the show.
I recall seeing fly-by rules for the Grassroots fly-in several years
past, but honestly I didn't see them anywhere this year. I tried to
excercise best judgement and not do anything stupid, but upon reviewing
my GPS flight tracks, I was definitely an offender with a few cross-wind
passes at pattern altitude and one upwind pass close to the runway, but
still south of it. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Gents, if you observe yours truly doing anything stupid, please, please,
please lay a hand on my arm and say, "Son, now I know you didn't mean to
be dumb, but let me give you some advice..." I promise, I'll keep my
mouth shut and my ears open.
Again, my apologies,
Dan
On 08/03/2010 09:27 AM, Baldeagle wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Baldeagle"<baldeagle27@earthlink.net>
>
> Had a great time at the Piet fly-in, but saw one safety issue that I thought
should be addressed. The flyby pattern used to be a regular rectangular pattern
with downwind south of the airport and flyby passes over the north hangar area,
south of the runway and not over it, parallel to and same direction as landing
traffic. This year I saw Pietenpols doing flybys upwind, downwind, and
crosswind, and even circling in the flyby pattern. All it would take is for one
time for two guys to not see each other and it would be a bad deal. I would
suggest that a standard flyby pattern be enumerated for all participants and
maybe posted in various places during the fly-in.
>
> Other than that, enjoyed seeing the new and old airplanes, new and old people,
and getting the Rudolph Piet back in the air.
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Crash - Brodhead can be frustating |
Kevin, I can relate to your frustation.- Similar to Dad and I had in 2006
enroute to Brodhead.- 1st was a forced landing due to weather, next day
sat. was a forced landing due to engine problems (tailgate overhaul of the
carborator to check for problems at JOT ILL).- Reassembled test flew by e
arly afternoon, and made it to Poplar Grove, and problem came back before I
even cleared the fence enroute to Brodhead.- Back around to land with ou
t incident.- I think Dad was ready to sell the piet for firewood, untill
he calmed down and we had a plan to trailer it home.- The farther that ex
periance becomes, the fonder the memory.- It's all part of the "Pietenpol
Experiance".
-
Shad
p.s.- at least your wife asked how long to wait before she could laugh at
you, mine tells me to quit being dramatic, and starts laughing, in turn I
join in.- God bless the women who put up with us.=0A=0A=0A
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Good stuff. The pain's already starting to fade.
Will you be there next year, Shad?
Axel
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| Subject: | Brodhead flybys--excellent points |
I totally agree with Andrew King and Gene Rambo's recommendations and reali
ze that I was one of the contributors to these unsafe
practices by circling over the airport center, though a complete scan of th
e surrounding airspace was done before that circle it still
just isn't a wise thing to do with a handful of airplanes in the air over t
he airport on nice days like we had this year. Well said, good
points---we all want to come back again there safely next year with friends
and family and no missing fingers or hands.
Mike C.
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Hey Kevin,
It was really good meeting you and trying to encourage you during the LG tr
ibulations. Arlene and I are glad you had an enjoyable trip to Oshkosh and
safe trip home as well. Looking forward to seeing you next year at Brodhead
. The video Jesse took of your landing ought to be great encouragement to a
ll Piet builders/owners of good pilotage and sturdyness of the Piet.
Cheers and blue skies Kevin,
Jim and Arlene
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:17:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post
il>
Bottom Line Up Front: made it from Brodhead to Oshkosh and then back to Aus
tin safe and sound. =C2-Got home Monday, 2 August. =C2-Had a blast, eve
n with all the drama. =C2-We=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2re already planning n
ext year=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s trip.
Details:
- Sunday, 25 Jul: After the dramatic Friday and the successful Saturday, I
was shooting landings at Brodhead. =C2-As I was taxiing the bungee on the
repaired gear broke. =C2-Fortunately, it happened as I was moving at a b
risk walk (and most of you people were already gone, thank God). =C2-Pret
ty frustrating but not tragic.
- Monday, 26 Jul: Went to Oshkosh to get repair parts and establish camp.
=C2-Good day.
- Tuesday, 27 Jul: Back to Brodhead to make field-expedient repair on gear.
=C2-Success. =C2-However, during the repair, I ran my face into the pr
opeller tip and gave myself a really good cut and bruise. =C2-I=C3=A2
=82=AC=84=A2ve hit my head on the prop before and have the scar to show
for it. =C2-I had a tantrum. =C2-Not a little tantrum, but the tantrum
of a man who has just experienced the 5 most frustrating days of his life.
=C2-Fortunately, the place was virtually deserted. =C2-Shelley let me r
un on and get it out. =C2-I was ready to burn the plane in place and driv
e home. =C2-She helped me calm down, regain reason, and encouraged me to
fly the airplane to Oshkosh as planned. =C2-She even asked when it would
be okay to laugh at me. =C2-We crossed that threshold at about 8 pm that
evening.
- Wednesday, 28 Jul: Landed on 36L at OSH and got parked between Bill Rewey
and the world=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s most spectacular Hatz. =C2-Had a
wonderful time the rest of the day.
- Thursday, 29 Jul: Another wonderful day enjoying OSH.
- Friday, 30 Jul: took off in the morning. =C2-Almost got run over by an
RV =C3=A2=82=AC=9C my greatest fear. =C2-Stopped early due to we
ather.
- Saturday, 31 Jul through Monday, 2 August: a routine flight back home.
=C2-(One minor note: I lost my SPOT personal locator beacon off the plane
somewhere between Iowa City and Cameron, MO. =C2-Didn't do a good job wi
th the safety cord. =C2-Anyway, Shelley looked it up on the internet and
SPOT was dutifully reporting its location every ten minutes. =C2-Fortunat
ely, it told us it was laying on the approach end of runway 36 at Lamoni, I
A. =C2-I called the airport manager, he found it and he's mailing it back
to me. =C2-Great people in aviation!)
Thanks again to all of you who helped recover from the landing gear debacle
. =C2-I think I forgot to mention Gene Rambo in my last post. =C2-He he
lped a lot and I appreciate it. =C2-
Look forward to seeing you guys next year.
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates |
John,
Bernard went for improvements he could make to his design; its the least yo
u can do for the paint schemes as well. I'm sure Dan will find a memo in Be
rnards "book" about future ideas on paint designs.
I still think it looks great; meaning I may copy it a little...
Jim
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From: "John Fay" <jfay1950@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates
Jim,
The three or four that I have shown the schemes to all like #4 the best.=C2
- But I think I will need to consult with Dan Helsper, the Keeper of the
Book,
to see if a three color paint scheme is permissable.=C2- It almost seems
too flashy to be in the spirit of Bernard Pietenpol.
John Fay
in Peoria
=C2-
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jim Boyer < boyerjrb@comcast.net > wrote:
John,
both paint schemes look good but I like the effect the one with White has.
It seems to keep the orange and blue in better balance. Good looking though
both of them.
Jim
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I will for sure Jack as I am close to being ready to cover.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2010 10:10:19 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates
Just be careful.=C2- The track record is not good for people who spend mu
ch time thinking about their paint scheme before building the airplane.=C2
- I can=99t think of any that have actually finished their airplane
after developing a detailed paint scheme before fabric covering began.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fay
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates
Jim,
The three or four that I have shown the schemes to all like #4 the best.=C2
- But I think I will need to consult with Dan Helsper, the Keeper of the
Book,
to see if a three color paint scheme is permissable.=C2- It almost seems
too flashy to be in the spirit of Bernard Pietenpol.
John Fay
in Peoria
=C2-
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jim Boyer < boyerjrb@comcast.net > wrote:
John,
both paint schemes look good but I like the effect the one with White has.
It seems to keep the orange and blue in better balance. Good looking though
both of them.
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Dad and I plan to make Brodhead- in 2011.- He just got done building a
1950's style teardrop camper, that he built just for Brodhead trips.- Whi
ch leaves me the "chore" of flying the piet.- On a side note I just had a
guy stop by who is 68, and thinking about building a piet.- A real newco
mer, not a pilot, but has woodworking experiance.- He had seen photos onl
ine, and we were only 20 miles away so he came to check it out, and see if
he thought he could tackle it.- I told him just take it 1 step at a time
and do something on it every day and you'll get her done.
-
Shad Bell- "Unsafe at any speed"=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Kevin's dream comes true with a few bumps |
It was such a pleasure to see a guy and his wife ALL the way from Texas be there
at
Brodhead with a plane they both built. (I believe his wife helped quite a bit before
she
married for better or for worse:)
Your frustrations with all of the issues you faced Kevin are totally understandable
but
you stuck with it, you got some help from some incredibly knowledgeable, generous,
and
kind individuals and sometimes giving gives way more satisfaction than getting----least
in my book.
I'm so glad you pressed on to Oshkosh to be able to say 'yes, I flew this into
Oshkosh
in 2010 then back home." I'm glad that much grace was upon you and for your wife's
sake
with the issues you had up there and that you're one of the many, many, many people
who
will always make me look forward to coming back to Brodhead. Nice going man.
Mike C.
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Well Axel I was there and I saw Douwe there and after seeing the video
over at the Brautmans hang out along with your missing the pond completely even
after being directed by Hoffman to the pond being the safest place you did
one hell of a job landing that rascal. Now some may think that was the
greatest feat in aviation, I would not go that far, it was simply the greatest
exhibition or aeronautical skill since the invention of the airplane.
Out of the heavens just for...... hold on ....... just to impress our own
opera star Jessica Lund, what a guy. I think you knocked her off her feet.
I know you must have gotten Ryan's attention in so doing, down from the
heavens, all on video, just for you!
Perhaps one day we will fly together.
Do not archive,
Less Yawanna
In a message dated 8/3/2010 1:50:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kevin.purtee@us.army.mil writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee"
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Truly an adventure, Gene. Good enough that, less then a week after the
most frustrating 5 days of my life, I'm ready to go back. What a ball!
Okay, so some people I REALLY wanted to meet were there and I honestly
don't recall meeting them. Am I correct that John Recine & Douwe attended?
I'll have to run you guys down next year.
do not archive
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Was great meeting you at Brodhead Kevin and glad you made it all the way
back to TX. After that adventure I have no excuse to not fly to Brodhead
from Colorado after I finish mine (doubt that I will be able to talk the
wife into coming though).
rick
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:17 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrot
e:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Bottom Line Up Front: made it from Brodhead to Oshkosh and then back to
> Austin safe and sound. Got home Monday, 2 August. Had a blast, even wit
h
> all the drama. We=92re already planning next year=92s trip.
>
> Details:
> - Sunday, 25 Jul: After the dramatic Friday and the successful Saturday,
I
> was shooting landings at Brodhead. As I was taxiing the bungee on the
> repaired gear broke. Fortunately, it happened as I was moving at a brisk
> walk (and most of you people were already gone, thank God). Pretty
> frustrating but not tragic.
> - Monday, 26 Jul: Went to Oshkosh to get repair parts and establish camp.
> Good day.
> - Tuesday, 27 Jul: Back to Brodhead to make field-expedient repair on gea
r.
> Success. However, during the repair, I ran my face into the propeller t
ip
> and gave myself a really good cut and bruise. I=92ve hit my head on the
prop
> before and have the scar to show for it. I had a tantrum. Not a little
> tantrum, but the tantrum of a man who has just experienced the 5 most
> frustrating days of his life. Fortunately, the place was virtually
> deserted. Shelley let me run on and get it out. I was ready to burn the
> plane in place and drive home. She helped me calm down, regain reason, a
nd
> encouraged me to fly the airplane to Oshkosh as planned. She even asked
> when it would be okay to laugh at me. We crossed that threshold at about
8
> pm that evening.
> - Wednesday, 28 Jul: Landed on 36L at OSH and got parked between Bill Rew
ey
> and the world=92s most spectacular Hatz. Had a wonderful time the rest o
f the
> day.
> - Thursday, 29 Jul: Another wonderful day enjoying OSH.
> - Friday, 30 Jul: took off in the morning. Almost got run over by an RV
'
> my greatest fear. Stopped early due to weather.
> - Saturday, 31 Jul through Monday, 2 August: a routine flight back home.
> (One minor note: I lost my SPOT personal locator beacon off the plane
> somewhere between Iowa City and Cameron, MO. Didn't do a good job with t
he
> safety cord. Anyway, Shelley looked it up on the internet and SPOT was
> dutifully reporting its location every ten minutes. Fortunately, it told
us
> it was laying on the approach end of runway 36 at Lamoni, IA. I called t
he
> airport manager, he found it and he's mailing it back to me. Great peopl
e
> in aviation!)
>
> Thanks again to all of you who helped recover from the landing gear
> debacle. I think I forgot to mention Gene Rambo in my last post. He hel
ped
> a lot and I appreciate it.
>
> Look forward to seeing you guys next year.
>
> Axel
>
> --------
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
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>
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Rick, I am sorry that I didn't get to talk to you. I would like to touch ba
se if =0AI get to COS to see my kids soon.=0A=0Acheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A__
______________________________=0AFrom: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>=0A
ubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post=0A
=0AWas great meeting you at Brodhead Kevin and glad you made it all the way
back to =0ATX. After that adventure I have no excuse to not fly to Brodhea
d from Colorado =0Aafter I finish mine (doubt that I will be able to talk t
he wife into coming =0Athough).=0A=0Arick=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10
:17 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-Li
st message posted by: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>=0A>=0A>Botto
m Line Up Front: made it from Brodhead to Oshkosh and then back to Austin
=0A>safe and sound. Got home Monday, 2 August. Had a blast, even with all
the =0A>drama. We=99re already planning next year=99s trip.
=0A>=0A>Details:=0A>- Sunday, 25 Jul: After the dramatic Friday and the suc
cessful Saturday, I was =0A>shooting landings at Brodhead. As I was taxiin
g the bungee on the repaired gear =0A>broke. Fortunately, it happened as I
was moving at a brisk walk (and most of =0A>you people were already gone,
thank God). Pretty frustrating but not tragic.=0A>- Monday, 26 Jul: Went t
o Oshkosh to get repair parts and establish camp. Good =0A>day.=0A>- Tuesd
ay, 27 Jul: Back to Brodhead to make field-expedient repair on gear. =0A> S
uccess. However, during the repair, I ran my face into the propeller tip a
nd =0A>gave myself a really good cut and bruise. I=99ve hit my head
on the prop before =0A>and have the scar to show for it. I had a tantrum.
Not a little tantrum, but =0A>the tantrum of a man who has just experience
d the 5 most frustrating days of his =0A>life. Fortunately, the place was
virtually deserted. Shelley let me run on and =0A>get it out. I was ready
to burn the plane in place and drive home. She helped =0A>me calm down, r
egain reason, and encouraged me to fly the airplane to Oshkosh as =0A>plann
ed. She even asked when it would be okay to laugh at me. We crossed that
=0A>threshold at about 8 pm that evening.=0A>- Wednesday, 28 Jul: Landed on
36L at OSH and got parked between Bill Rewey and =0A>the world=99s m
ost spectacular Hatz. Had a wonderful time the rest of the day.=0A>- Thurs
day, 29 Jul: Another wonderful day enjoying OSH.=0A>- Friday, 30 Jul: took
off in the morning. Almost got run over by an RV =93 my =0A>greatest
fear. Stopped early due to weather.=0A>- Saturday, 31 Jul through Monday,
2 August: a routine flight back home. (One =0A>minor note: I lost my SPOT
personal locator beacon off the plane somewhere =0A>between Iowa City and
Cameron, MO. Didn't do a good job with the safety cord. =0A> Anyway, Shell
ey looked it up on the internet and SPOT was dutifully reporting =0A>its lo
cation every ten minutes. Fortunately, it told us it was laying on the =0A
>approach end of runway 36 at Lamoni, IA. I called the airport manager, he
found =0A>it and he's mailing it back to me. Great people in aviation!)
=0A>=0A>Thanks again to all of you who helped recover from the landing gear
debacle. I =0A>think I forgot to mention Gene Rambo in my last post. He
helped a lot and I =0A>appreciate it.=0A>=0A>Look forward to seeing you guy
s next year.=0A>=0A>Axel=0A>=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Kevin Purtee=0A>NX899KP=0A>
Austin/Georgetown, TX=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>
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Kevin, I introduced myself to you in Oshkosh. It wasn't until I got home that
I put 'two and two' together. What an adventure to say the least.
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Dan Plett
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates |
To Jack Phillips,
Your warning: "I can=92t think of any that have actually finished their
airplane after developing a detailed paint scheme before fabric covering
began,"
is well taken. I'll get back to real work. I'm going back out to the
garage to begin the process of assembling the fuselage, even though it's to
o
warm to be out there today.
John Fay
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Oh wow! Ok, I see how that might demand some attention.
Perhaps I would have known that if I would have attended one of the lessons.
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> No - it really was taught by several men, a couple of which only had one arm
> each. Sort of drives the point home - to the point that she has never
> propped an airplane, even though she has taken the training.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
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Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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No problem Gardiner, let me know anytime you come to Colorado. We can pull
my now covered fuselage out and crank up my Corvair.
rick
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:06 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Rick, I am sorry that I didn't get to talk to you. I would like to touch
> base if I get to COS to see my kids soon.
> cheers, Gardiner
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, August 3, 2010 3:55:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Pos
t
>
> Was great meeting you at Brodhead Kevin and glad you made it all the way
> back to TX. After that adventure I have no excuse to not fly to Brodhead
> from Colorado after I finish mine (doubt that I will be able to talk the
> wife into coming though).
>
> rick
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:17 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wr
ote:
>
>> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>>
>> Bottom Line Up Front: made it from Brodhead to Oshkosh and then back to
>> Austin safe and sound. Got home Monday, 2 August. Had a blast, even wi
th
>> all the drama. We=92re already planning next year=92s trip.
>>
>> Details:
>> - Sunday, 25 Jul: After the dramatic Friday and the successful Saturday,
I
>> was shooting landings at Brodhead. As I was taxiing the bungee on the
>> repaired gear broke. Fortunately, it happened as I was moving at a bris
k
>> walk (and most of you people were already gone, thank God). Pretty
>> frustrating but not tragic.
>> - Monday, 26 Jul: Went to Oshkosh to get repair parts and establish camp
.
>> Good day.
>> - Tuesday, 27 Jul: Back to Brodhead to make field-expedient repair on
>> gear. Success. However, during the repair, I ran my face into the
>> propeller tip and gave myself a really good cut and bruise. I=92ve hit
my
>> head on the prop before and have the scar to show for it. I had a tantr
um.
>> Not a little tantrum, but the tantrum of a man who has just experienced
the
>> 5 most frustrating days of his life. Fortunately, the place was virtual
ly
>> deserted. Shelley let me run on and get it out. I was ready to burn th
e
>> plane in place and drive home. She helped me calm down, regain reason,
and
>> encouraged me to fly the airplane to Oshkosh as planned. She even asked
>> when it would be okay to laugh at me. We crossed that threshold at abou
t 8
>> pm that evening.
>> - Wednesday, 28 Jul: Landed on 36L at OSH and got parked between Bill
>> Rewey and the world=92s most spectacular Hatz. Had a wonderful time the
rest
>> of the day.
>> - Thursday, 29 Jul: Another wonderful day enjoying OSH.
>> - Friday, 30 Jul: took off in the morning. Almost got run over by an RV
'
>> my greatest fear. Stopped early due to weather.
>> - Saturday, 31 Jul through Monday, 2 August: a routine flight back home.
>> (One minor note: I lost my SPOT personal locator beacon off the plane
>> somewhere between Iowa City and Cameron, MO. Didn't do a good job with
the
>> safety cord. Anyway, Shelley looked it up on the internet and SPOT was
>> dutifully reporting its location every ten minutes. Fortunately, it tol
d us
>> it was laying on the approach end of runway 36 at Lamoni, IA. I called
the
>> airport manager, he found it and he's mailing it back to me. Great peop
le
>> in aviation!)
>>
>> Thanks again to all of you who helped recover from the landing gear
>> debacle. I think I forgot to mention Gene Rambo in my last post. He he
lped
>> a lot and I appreciate it.
>>
>> Look forward to seeing you guys next year.
>>
>> Axel
>>
>> --------
>> Kevin Purtee
>> NX899KP
>> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307321#307321
>>
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Dan,
My first name is Joe and I work at Pride aircraft here in Rockford IL.
I know Buck, and I am supposed to go over and check out his RV-8... maybe I could
see your aircraft as well.
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Axel,
You sure didn't seem frustrated to me, although I can imagine what you mus
t have been feeling inside your gut. Look at all the good things that happ
ened: Yes, your gear broke, but your superb cool thinking and pilot skills
not only saved you, but also your gorgeous plane, with only minimal damag
e. Then the boys all pitched in and you were back, good to go very quickly
. Yes your bungee broke, but apparently with no other damage. Yes your fli
ght to OSH was delayed, but you did get to go after all. Then you were luc
ky enough to be able to buy the bungee at OSH, come back and complete your
repair quickly. Sounds like to me that there were a whole lot of things
to be thankful for!! (Can you tell I am tying to cheer you up?)
See you next year (and maybe if I am living in TN by then I can hook up wi
th you on the way up).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 12:49 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post
mil>
Truly an adventure, Gene. Good enough that, less then a week after the mo
st
rustrating 5 days of my life, I'm ready to go back. What a ball!
Okay, so some people I REALLY wanted to meet were there and I honestly don
't
ecall meeting them. Am I correct that John Recine & Douwe attended? I'll
have
o run you guys down next year.
do not archive
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X899KP
ustin/Georgetown, TX
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Yeah, but with that ugly black paint all over his landing gear struts he was
cheated of the Lindy that he surely would have won at OSH with his beauiful
Pietenpol. Still, look at all the friends you made at Brodhead, Kevin, as
well as acquiring a nickname.
I understand that collections are being taken to raise money to be able to
dig a pond at Brodhead in case of future events like this.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Axel,
You sure didn't seem frustrated to me, although I can imagine what you must
have been feeling inside your gut. Look at all the good things that
happened: Yes, your gear broke, but your superb cool thinking and pilot
skills not only saved you, but also your gorgeous plane, with only minimal
damage. Then the boys all pitched in and you were back, good to go very
quickly. Yes your bungee broke, but apparently with no other damage. Yes
your flight to OSH was delayed, but you did get to go after all. Then you
were lucky enough to be able to buy the bungee at OSH, come back and
complete your repair quickly. Sounds like to me that there were a whole lot
of things to be thankful for!! (Can you tell I am tying to cheer you up?)
See you next year (and maybe if I am living in TN by then I can hook up with
you on the way up).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 12:49 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Truly an adventure, Gene. Good enough that, less then a week after the most
frustrating 5 days of my life, I'm ready to go back. What a ball!
Okay, so some people I REALLY wanted to meet were there and I honestly don't
recall meeting them. Am I correct that John Recine & Douwe attended? I'll
have
to run you guys down next year.
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Kevin,
I do not think for a minute that you consider your experience as 5 frustrating
days, just look at the education you found in a few moments of a landing. that
your training and judgment has shown to all , including yourself. ( I speak from
experience ).
Pieti Lowell
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Kevin - Please thank Shelly for me for calming you down and convincing you to continue
on to Oshkosh. My wife Tracie and I thoroughly enjoyed talking with you
all on Thursday. Your plane is a true beauty. I love the simple yet rich
paint scheme. One of my favorite Piets so far... And at the time I had absolutely
NO idea about your trials in Brodhead, although I did wonder why you only
had one bungie cover on your gear.
Shelly made a huge impression on Tracie with the wonderful leather work that she
did. I haven't even started building and Tracie is itching to get on Ebay and
look for tanned hides. :)
Thank you very much for sharing your airplane and your stories with us. I agree
with Jack - You are a great ambassador for the Piet.
Gary Wilson
EAA Chapter 252 - Oshkosh
Currently dreaming about building
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| Subject: | Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates |
My apologies, John. I had no idea you were so far along with your project.
I just remember some builders like the guy from Alaska a few years ago who
had not made one rib but had all kinds of graphics of his proposed paint
scheme. He faded from view pretty quickly, and there were several others
just like him.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fay
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates
To Jack Phillips,
Your warning: "I can't think of any that have actually finished their
airplane after developing a detailed paint scheme before fabric covering
began,"
is well taken. I'll get back to real work. I'm going back out to the
garage to begin the process of assembling the fuselage, even though it's too
warm to be out there today.
John Fay
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And wasn't there a report a couple of days ago about a trailer disappearing...
Coincidence????
Dave Aldrich (who's never met Jim Markle but anted up for Markle Mania anyway because
he looks like my uncle Fred and because he probably knew my ex-father-in-law
Cal Bass.)
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I'm accustomed to throwing money down the drain.why not bypass the drain and
go directly to the pond?...I'm in.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post
Yeah, but with that ugly black paint all over his landing gear struts he was
cheated of the Lindy that he surely would have won at OSH with his beauiful
Pietenpol. Still, look at all the friends you made at Brodhead, Kevin, as
well as acquiring a nickname.
I understand that collections are being taken to raise money to be able to
dig a pond at Brodhead in case of future events like this.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post
Axel,
You sure didn't seem frustrated to me, although I can imagine what you must
have been feeling inside your gut. Look at all the good things that
happened: Yes, your gear broke, but your superb cool thinking and pilot
skills not only saved you, but also your gorgeous plane, with only minimal
damage. Then the boys all pitched in and you were back, good to go very
quickly. Yes your bungee broke, but apparently with no other damage. Yes
your flight to OSH was delayed, but you did get to go after all. Then you
were lucky enough to be able to buy the bungee at OSH, come back and
complete your repair quickly. Sounds like to me that there were a whole lot
of things to be thankful for!! (Can you tell I am tying to cheer you up?)
See you next year (and maybe if I am living in TN by then I can hook up with
you on the way up).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 12:49 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Truly an adventure, Gene. Good enough that, less then a week after the most
frustrating 5 days of my life, I'm ready to go back. What a ball!
Okay, so some people I REALLY wanted to meet were there and I honestly don't
recall meeting them. Am I correct that John Recine & Douwe attended? I'll
have
to run you guys down next year.
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People in Wichita pay 15 or 20 dollars to see a pond like this.
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Aug 3, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> I=92m accustomed to throwing money down the drain=85why not bypass the
drain and go directly to the pond?...I=92m in.
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
> Do not archive
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:39 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another
Long Post
>
> Yeah, but with that ugly black paint all over his landing gear struts
he was cheated of the Lindy that he surely would have won at OSH with
his beauiful Pietenpol. Still, look at all the friends you made at
Brodhead, Kevin, as well as acquiring a nickname.
>
> I understand that collections are being taken to raise money to be
able to dig a pond at Brodhead in case of future events like this.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:50 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another
Long Post
>
> Axel,
>
> You sure didn't seem frustrated to me, although I can imagine what you
must have been feeling inside your gut. Look at all the good things that
happened: Yes, your gear broke, but your superb cool thinking and pilot
skills not only saved you, but also your gorgeous plane, with only
minimal damage. Then the boys all pitched in and you were back, good to
go very quickly. Yes your bungee broke, but apparently with no other
damage. Yes your flight to OSH was delayed, but you did get to go after
all. Then you were lucky enough to be able to buy the bungee at OSH,
come back and complete your repair quickly. Sounds like to me that there
were a whole lot of things to be thankful for!! (Can you tell I am tying
to cheer you up?)
>
> See you next year (and maybe if I am living in TN by then I can hook
up with you on the way up).
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 12:49 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long
Post
>
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Truly an adventure, Gene. Good enough that, less then a week after
the most
> frustrating 5 days of my life, I'm ready to go back. What a ball!
>
> Okay, so some people I REALLY wanted to meet were there and I honestly
don't
> recall meeting them. Am I correct that John Recine & Douwe attended?
I'll have
> to run you guys down next year.
>
> do not archive
>
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> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country? |
I really enjoyed the time I got to spend at Brodhead with you all this
year. I had my wife along, and couldn't spend as much time as I'd
like. She did find some great accomodations for us here:
http://www.cameorose.com/ , which was only about 3 minutes away. I
felt a little guilty living in such luxury with you guys sleeping in
tents during the thunderstorms. Looking at some of the pictures posted,
I sure would have enjoyed some of the camping camaraderie, brats, and beer!
I'm located in central Florida, which is about 1300 miles from
Brodhead. I've never taken a cross-country longer than one trip to the
Bahamas, and that was non-stop in a spam can. I'd love to fly up next
year if I can get the time off. Anybody else thinking about going, that
would be along the way? Flying with a group would boost my confidence a
lot.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
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On 8/3/2010 1:42 PM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee"<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Thanks, guys.
>
> Hans& Oscar: we need to do a 3 ship next year. Celebrate your 60th, Oscar,
and Hans' whatever. We could even pick up others enroute. They're out there.
My legs are pretty short but when you lose patience I'd just meet you at night.
>
> My route goes 98% over farm fields situated next to interstates. We can try
to sweet-talk Tim into joining Shelley on the ground crew if his plane's not done
yet and we'll be in business.
>
> We could do it and it would be fun. Start thinking:).
>
> Axel
>
> do not archive
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> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
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John,
Speaking of $15 or 20, how's those shirts coming?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axel's Pond
People in Wichita pay 15 or 20 dollars to see a pond like this.
do not archive
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Aug 3, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
I'm accustomed to throwing money down the drain.why not bypass the drain and
go directly to the pond?...I'm in.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post
Yeah, but with that ugly black paint all over his landing gear struts he was
cheated of the Lindy that he surely would have won at OSH with his beauiful
Pietenpol. Still, look at all the friends you made at Brodhead, Kevin, as
well as acquiring a nickname.
I understand that collections are being taken to raise money to be able to
dig a pond at Brodhead in case of future events like this.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post
Axel,
You sure didn't seem frustrated to me, although I can imagine what you must
have been feeling inside your gut. Look at all the good things that
happened: Yes, your gear broke, but your superb cool thinking and pilot
skills not only saved you, but also your gorgeous plane, with only minimal
damage. Then the boys all pitched in and you were back, good to go very
quickly. Yes your bungee broke, but apparently with no other damage. Yes
your flight to OSH was delayed, but you did get to go after all. Then you
were lucky enough to be able to buy the bungee at OSH, come back and
complete your repair quickly. Sounds like to me that there were a whole lot
of things to be thankful for!! (Can you tell I am tying to cheer you up?)
See you next year (and maybe if I am living in TN by then I can hook up with
you on the way up).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 12:49 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Truly an adventure, Gene. Good enough that, less then a week after the most
frustrating 5 days of my life, I'm ready to go back. What a ball!
Okay, so some people I REALLY wanted to meet were there and I honestly don't
recall meeting them. Am I correct that John Recine & Douwe attended? I'll
have
to run you guys down next year.
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| Subject: | Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post |
Kevin,
The first time I met you, you were laying under your airplane, one of
the gear legs was off getting some grinding done,and you looked pretty
tired. I bent down and introduced myself, and was greeted with such a
great smile like I was an old friend. Glad to hear you persevered, and
you have inspired me to start thinking that I could actually make a trip
that far myself. I have a whole year to plan the stops!
Ben Charvet
PS. I was honored to sign your certificate!
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| Subject: | Re: Another Very Nice Piet Underway |
You have just made a much more hilarious comment than you might have imagined...
Just this last weekend I pulled a trailer (with yet another old beat up trailer
on top of THAT trailer) to Dallas to take some stuff to my brother's new place
(and clean some junk out of my yard) more the latter actually...
So....someone IS missing a trailer but it's my father in law....tomorrow I'll take
the big one back to my farm but it's just funny that you made THIS comment
right after I did haul 2 trailers to Dallas.....
Some of that junk was in the way of my Piet wings (get off my back Mark)....ahhhhh,
progress!
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2010 8:09 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Very Nice Piet Underway
>
>
>And wasn't there a report a couple of days ago about a trailer disappearing...
Coincidence????
>
>Dave Aldrich (who's never met Jim Markle but anted up for Markle Mania anyway
because he looks like my uncle Fred and because he probably knew my ex-father-in-law
Cal Bass.)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country? |
Ben,
I keep saying I'm going to do it. Maybe in 2011? I'm based just east
of Atlanta, out of 2GA9.
Jeff
>...
>I'm located in central Florida, which is about 1300 miles from
>Brodhead. I've never taken a cross-country longer than one trip to
>the Bahamas, and that was non-stop in a spam can. I'd love to fly
>up next year if I can get the time off. Anybody else thinking about
>going, that would be along the way? Flying with a group would boost
>my confidence a lot.
>
>Ben Charvet
>Mims, Fl
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Actually pretty well. I am adding some "whimsy" right now.
-john-
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Aug 3, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> John,
>
> Speaking of $15 or 20, how=92s those shirts coming?
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hofmann
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:32 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axel's Pond
>
> People in Wichita pay 15 or 20 dollars to see a pond like this.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Aug 3, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
>
> I=92m accustomed to throwing money down the drain=85why not bypass the
drain and go directly to the pond?...I=92m in.
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
> Do not archive
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:39 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another
Long Post
>
> Yeah, but with that ugly black paint all over his landing gear struts
he was cheated of the Lindy that he surely would have won at OSH with
his beauiful Pietenpol. Still, look at all the friends you made at
Brodhead, Kevin, as well as acquiring a nickname.
>
> I understand that collections are being taken to raise money to be
able to dig a pond at Brodhead in case of future events like this.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:50 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another
Long Post
>
> Axel,
>
> You sure didn't seem frustrated to me, although I can imagine what you
must have been feeling inside your gut. Look at all the good things that
happened: Yes, your gear broke, but your superb cool thinking and pilot
skills not only saved you, but also your gorgeous plane, with only
minimal damage. Then the boys all pitched in and you were back, good to
go very quickly. Yes your bungee broke, but apparently with no other
damage. Yes your flight to OSH was delayed, but you did get to go after
all. Then you were lucky enough to be able to buy the bungee at OSH,
come back and complete your repair quickly. Sounds like to me that there
were a whole lot of things to be thankful for!! (Can you tell I am tying
to cheer you up?)
>
> See you next year (and maybe if I am living in TN by then I can hook
up with you on the way up).
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Truly an adventure, Gene. Good enough that, less then a week after
the most
> frustrating 5 days of my life, I'm ready to go back. What a ball!
>
> Okay, so some people I REALLY wanted to meet were there and I honestly
don't
> recall meeting them. Am I correct that John Recine & Douwe attended?
I'll have
> to run you guys down next year.
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| Subject: | Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country? |
Ben, flying with other airplanes is definitely a lot safer and more fun. I
had a blast this year, flying up from west Tennessee with Randy Bush in his
Corvair powered "Miss Le Bec".
I don't know what I'll be doing next year, but I know I won't miss Brodhead.
I might have to fly the spam can (RV-4) there, but I'll be there. If you go
up, I might be tempted to take the Pietenpol by the southern route around
the mountains near Rome, Georgia and come up through Tennessee again -
otherwise I'll slog it out over the mountains of Virginia and West Virginia
as I've done 3 times already.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country?
I really enjoyed the time I got to spend at Brodhead with you all this
year. I had my wife along, and couldn't spend as much time as I'd
like. She did find some great accomodations for us here:
http://www.cameorose.com/ , which was only about 3 minutes away. I
felt a little guilty living in such luxury with you guys sleeping in
tents during the thunderstorms. Looking at some of the pictures posted,
I sure would have enjoyed some of the camping camaraderie, brats, and beer!
I'm located in central Florida, which is about 1300 miles from
Brodhead. I've never taken a cross-country longer than one trip to the
Bahamas, and that was non-stop in a spam can. I'd love to fly up next
year if I can get the time off. Anybody else thinking about going, that
would be along the way? Flying with a group would boost my confidence a
lot.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
do not archive
On 8/3/2010 1:42 PM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
"kevinpurtee"<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Thanks, guys.
>
> Hans& Oscar: we need to do a 3 ship next year. Celebrate your 60th,
Oscar, and Hans' whatever. We could even pick up others enroute. They're
out there. My legs are pretty short but when you lose patience I'd just
meet you at night.
>
> My route goes 98% over farm fields situated next to interstates. We can
try to sweet-talk Tim into joining Shelley on the ground crew if his plane's
not done yet and we'll be in business.
>
> We could do it and it would be fun. Start thinking:).
>
> Axel
>
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> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country? |
That would be right on my route!
Ben
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On 8/3/2010 8:53 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> I keep saying I'm going to do it. Maybe in 2011? I'm based just east
> of Atlanta, out of 2GA9.
>
> Jeff
>
>> ...
>
>
>> I'm located in central Florida, which is about 1300 miles from
>> Brodhead. I've never taken a cross-country longer than one trip to
>> the Bahamas, and that was non-stop in a spam can. I'd love to fly up
>> next year if I can get the time off. Anybody else thinking about
>> going, that would be along the way? Flying with a group would boost
>> my confidence a lot.
>>
>> Ben Charvet
>> Mims, Fl
>
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates- the "lost" |
Bernerd Pietenpol papers
John,
I take my responsibility of "keeper and custodian" of the "lost" Bernerd
Pietenpol papers very seriously. Therefore I cannot give an answer to you
r question right now, because they cannot be removed from the pickle jar
storage container (one of those jumbo-sized jars, like you see at Costco
or Sam's club) but once per year, due to deterioration concerns. The jar
must be re-charged with xenon (or is it Argon) gas every time they are re
-stored for another year. I opened it back in May I believe, to answer a
pressing question on the orientation of one of the bottom fuselage spruce
cross pieces, so can you hold your question till May 2011? Please remind
me when the time comes....also if anyone else on this list has any other
pressing concerns regarding any other "authorized" changes from plans, pl
ease feel free to submit those also- (in writing please).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 11:11 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thanks, Chris, for the Paint templates
Jim,
The three or four that I have shown the schemes to all like #4 the best.
But I think I will need to consult with Dan Helsper, the Keeper of the
Book,
to see if a three color paint scheme is permissable. It almost seems too
flashy to be in the spirit of Bernard Pietenpol.
John Fay
in Peoria
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
John,
both paint schemes look good but I like the effect the one with White has.
It seems to keep the orange and blue in better balance. Good looking thou
gh both of them.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear in the plans |
Hi Joe,
My cell is 815-298-5680. Give me a call when you think you may be coming
over to Poplar Grove to visit Buck's RV. We can get together then. Lookin
g forward to it.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 5:24 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing gear in the plans
Dan,
y first name is Joe and I work at Pride aircraft here in Rockford IL.
know Buck, and I am supposed to go over and check out his RV-8... maybe
I
ould see your aircraft as well.
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| Subject: | First visit to a Pietenpoler |
Today I got finally see in person what I am attempting to build. I went and saw
Alex Whitmore's 1975 Model A Air Camper NX12969. What a treat it was to actually
sit in one and pick the brain of someone who has owned, fixed and flown
several different configurations.
It has been about 15 years since I've been involved in the GA community and now
I know what I've been missing. There is more to life than the internet. Thanks
Alex for letting me explore your plane.
Curtis Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Tail Feathers being fluffed
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| Subject: | Re: engine run-on |
Hi Oscar,
I finally had time after getting back from Brodhead and Oshkosh to dig into this.
Yup - your guru was right - my P-lead nut came off. The wire connector was
was still on the terminal, but was bouncing around on it not making good constant
contact. Used a 1/2 height nyloc nut and star washer - and instant gratification.
Thanks!
Lorin
--------
Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post |
Kevin=2C I am pretty sure you sat next to both of them over at the Bratmen'
s hangout=2C you may just not have known it
Gene
do not archive
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Crash - The Epilogue. Yet Another Long Post
> From: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
> Date: Tue=2C 3 Aug 2010 10:49:48 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
.mil>
>
> Truly an adventure=2C Gene. Good enough that=2C less then a week after th
e most frustrating 5 days of my life=2C I'm ready to go back. What a ball!
>
> Okay=2C so some people I REALLY wanted to meet were there and I honestly
don't recall meeting them. Am I correct that John Recine & Douwe attended?
I'll have to run you guys down next year.
>
> do not archive
>
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> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown=2C TX
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| Subject: | Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country? |
Don't forget=2C Jack=2C you said if I finish mine you might meet somewhere
convenient and fly together also!!
Gene
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> From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country?
> Date: Tue=2C 3 Aug 2010 21:09:33 -0400
>
.net>
>
> Ben=2C flying with other airplanes is definitely a lot safer and more fun
. I
> had a blast this year=2C flying up from west Tennessee with Randy Bush in
his
> Corvair powered "Miss Le Bec".
>
> I don't know what I'll be doing next year=2C but I know I won't miss Brod
head.
> I might have to fly the spam can (RV-4) there=2C but I'll be there. If yo
u go
> up=2C I might be tempted to take the Pietenpol by the southern route arou
nd
> the mountains near Rome=2C Georgia and come up through Tennessee again -
> otherwise I'll slog it out over the mountains of Virginia and West Virgin
ia
> as I've done 3 times already.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh=2C NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charv
et
> Sent: Tuesday=2C August 03=2C 2010 8:38 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country?
>
>
> I really enjoyed the time I got to spend at Brodhead with you all this
> year. I had my wife along=2C and couldn't spend as much time as I'd
> like. She did find some great accomodations for us here:
> http://www.cameorose.com/ =2C which was only about 3 minutes away. I
> felt a little guilty living in such luxury with you guys sleeping in
> tents during the thunderstorms. Looking at some of the pictures posted=2C
> I sure would have enjoyed some of the camping camaraderie=2C brats=2C and
beer!
>
> I'm located in central Florida=2C which is about 1300 miles from
> Brodhead. I've never taken a cross-country longer than one trip to the
> Bahamas=2C and that was non-stop in a spam can. I'd love to fly up next
> year if I can get the time off. Anybody else thinking about going=2C that
> would be along the way? Flying with a group would boost my confidence a
> lot.
>
> Ben Charvet
> Mims=2C Fl
>
> do not archive
>
>
> On 8/3/2010 1:42 PM=2C kevinpurtee wrote:
> "kevinpurtee"<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> >
> > Thanks=2C guys.
> >
> > Hans& Oscar: we need to do a 3 ship next year. Celebrate your 60th=2C
> Oscar=2C and Hans' whatever. We could even pick up others enroute. They'r
e
> out there. My legs are pretty short but when you lose patience I'd just
> meet you at night.
> >
> > My route goes 98% over farm fields situated next to interstates. We can
> try to sweet-talk Tim into joining Shelley on the ground crew if his plan
e's
> not done yet and we'll be in business.
> >
> > We could do it and it would be fun. Start thinking:).
> >
> > Axel
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > --------
> > Kevin Purtee
> > NX899KP
> > Austin/Georgetown=2C TX
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: landing gears |
It's kind of funny, although I really like the gear set-up I have I think if I
were to build another I'd build the wood gear. I like the simplicity and the
no toe in or toe out problems. The first 50 or so hours I spent flying mine I
had a slight toe-in problem. It was enough to make pavement landings pretty
exciting. I heated up the bottoms of the "V"s and straightened them out. Pavement
landings are much more manageable now. As far as the strength of the split
gear, I've tested mine out about as much as I think I should, and found it
to be plenty strong! I think from now on I'm going to lay off the testing.
Of course that ground loop a few years back and the hard landings are part of
what we are supposed to do in order to test these ships, right?
After getting the chance to fly Allen Rudolph's plane, I'd really like to get a
set of 8:50 x 6 tires. I like the look, and really liked the handling. Just
might have to try a skid on mine too. It'd be fun to be able to switch the two
types of tires whenever the mood strikes.
Second thought, if I were to build another, I think I'd build a replica of the
Allen Rudolph piet. Only problem is you could never build in all that character.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country? |
It's out there, but I think about bringing 29R up from Arizona. Nah. I'd
have to be off my rocker. Over 1200 nm before deviations for terrain and
military airspace. High probability of delay due to convective weather. I
bet it would be pretty nice round about the time I got through New Mexico,
though. Anybody near the line from Tucson to Broadhead?
Andrew
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> Don't forget, Jack, you said if I finish mine you might meet somewhere
> convenient and fly together also!!
>
> Gene
> do not archive
>
> > From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net
>
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country?
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 21:09:33 -0400
>
> >
> pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Ben, flying with other airplanes is definitely a lot safer and more fun.
> I
> > had a blast this year, flying up from west Tennessee with Randy Bush in
> his
> > Corvair powered "Miss Le Bec".
> >
> > I don't know what I'll be doing next year, but I know I won't miss
> Brodhead.
> > I might have to fly the spam can (RV-4) there, but I'll be there. If you
> go
> > up, I might be tempted to take the Pietenpol by the southern route around
> > the mountains near Rome, Georgia and come up through Tennessee again -
> > otherwise I'll slog it out over the mountains of Virginia and West
> Virginia
> > as I've done 3 times already.
> >
> > Jack Phillips
> > NX899JP
> > Raleigh, NC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
> Charvet
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:38 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2011 Group Cross-Country?
> >
> >
> > I really enjoyed the time I got to spend at Brodhead with you all this
> > year. I had my wife along, and couldn't spend as much time as I'd
> > like. She did find some great accomodations for us here:
> > http://www.cameorose.com/ , which was only about 3 minutes away. I
> > felt a little guilty living in such luxury with you guys sleeping in
> > tents during the thunderstorms. Looking at some of the pictures posted,
> > I sure would have enjoyed some of the camping camaraderie, brats, and
> beer!
> >
> > I'm located in central Florida, which is about 1300 miles from
> > Brodhead. I've never taken a cross-country longer than one trip to the
> > Bahamas, and that was non-stop in a spam can. I'd love to fly up next
> > year if I can get the time off. Anybody else thinking about going, that
> > would be along the way? Flying with a group would boost my confidence a
> > lot.
> >
> > Ben Charvet
> > Mims, Fl
> >
> > do not archive
>
> >
> >
> > On 8/3/2010 1:42 PM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> > "kevinpurtee"<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> > >
> > > Thanks, guys.
> > >
> > > Hans& Oscar: we need to do a 3 ship next year. Celebrate your 60th,
> > Oscar, and Hans' whatever. We could even pick up others enroute. They're
> > out there. My legs are pretty short but when you lose patience I'd just
> > meet you at night.
> > >
> > > My route goes 98% over farm fields situated next to interstates. We can
> > try to sweet-talk Tim into joining Shelley on the ground crew if his
> plane's
> > not done yet and we'll be in business.
> > >
> > > We could do it and it would be fun. Start thinking:).
> > >
> > > Axel
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Kevin Purtee
> > > NX899KP
> > > Austin/Georgetown, TX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307340#307340
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead flybys |
Just some thoughts
John wrote:
> "it appeared to me that downwind to short final was more an arc rather than the
squared off pattern we were and still are required to fly, unless given a straight
in approach".
In a Biplane, I was taught to fly an arc to landing for visibility reasons. Ill
grant you the Air Camper may not be quite as restricted but unless Im mistaken
at an uncontrolled airfield there is no one to give a straight in approach
(clearance?). To nit-pick, there isnt an FAR requiring a squared off pattern
either its suggested in the AIM (and a good idea IMO) but it is not required.
Gene wrote:
> "I propose that we encourage our group to allow only known individuals to prop
their aircraft, and possibly add a forum on hand propping to the Saturday lineup,
out in front of the aircraft with differing engines/setups as demonstrations".
Group or no group, I cant imagine asking just some person to prop my plane. Not
only am I clueless whether this bozo knows how to prop a plane, but how is he
going to communicate if he wants the ignition on or off. Theres more going
on than meets the eye (especially to a non-aviators eye).
I like the idea of a forum on hand propping. It doesnt have to be fancy or formal,
but even just sharing amongst ourselves about chocking or tying and techniques
we use and letting anyone listen in is great. I had never hand-propped
a Model-A and since Im building one I wanted to experience it, so I approached
Larry Williams and explained my reasoning and he was kind enough to allow me
to prop his Piet. Afterwards I felt silly for asking because it was straightforward
but in truth Im glad I did.
Id hate to see our group fill up with rules and regulations, but I understand the
desire for safety. I just start to wonder who will enforce the rules and what
will the penalties be if I round off my base to final leg without being given
a straight in approach.
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| Subject: | Re: landing gears |
I can see how both would be nice.
Iv'e also seen both and I do like the wooden gear better, but I am all about simplicity..and
weight saving. Does anyone have a good number there? How much weight
difference? 25 or more lbs?
I assume that we could go wire wheels with either setup?
Which I guess is another question for another post.... which wheel setup and why?
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| Subject: | Re: Another Very Nice Piet Underway |
I didn't even say anything!
But now that you mention it... you do need to clean up that shit hole, am I right
John? Haaa ha!
Hey, go ahead and throw away those pizza boxes from our last visit and see if you
can find an airplane out there.
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Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| Subject: | Brodhead 2011, Ohio Piet Fly-in |
Well Guys, Count me in for 2011.- I hope to be able to go (wife and famil
y permitting).- Don, Frank, Mike, Skipp, Ed-and any other Ohio/ Midwest
area guys, if we could arange it, we could meet up in Indiana or elsewhere
for a group arrival.- Also I will be bidding my vacation for 2011 in nov
ember, so I will be planning some dates in June for the 2nd Ohio Piet fly-i
n.- Fathers Day weekend was the date this year, next might be the same.
- Let me know if you fellas have any ideas for the fly-in.
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Shad- "Unsafe at any speed" Bell
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P.S.- Don E., I have some photos from last years return from OSH, with us
crowded around the fuel pumps at JOT, I will try to send them to you soon.
.........You-remember the DOWN WIND landing.- ha ha ha=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2011, Ohio Piet Fly-in |
Don't forgert me either!! I am really hoping to have Gpa's piet there , if n
ot I will definitely have the Taylorcraft headed up that way!!!
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On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:27 AM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well Guys, Count me in for 2011. I hope to be able to go (wife and family
permitting). Don, Frank, Mike, Skipp, Ed and any other Ohio/ Midwest area g
uys, if we could arange it, we could meet up in Indiana or elsewhere for a g
roup arrival. Also I will be bidding my vacation for 2011 in november, so I
will be planning some dates in June for the 2nd Ohio Piet fly-in. Fathers D
ay weekend was the date this year, next might be the same. Let me know if y
ou fellas have any ideas for the fly-in.
>
> Shad "Unsafe at any speed" Bell
>
> P.S. Don E., I have some photos from last years return from OSH, with us c
rowded around the fuel pumps at JOT, I will try to send them to you soon....
......You remember the DOWN WIND landing. ha ha ha
>
>
>
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