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1. 04:27 AM - Original Air Camper & Sky Scout Builders Manual (j_dunavin)
2. 04:54 AM - Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (JGriff)
3. 05:10 AM - flybys etc. (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 05:10 AM - anybody make a glass cowling? (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 05:10 AM - Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... (Michael Perez)
6. 05:25 AM - Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (Pieti Lowell)
7. 05:42 AM - Re: Original Air Camper & Sky Scout Builders Manual (Ryan Mueller)
8. 05:43 AM - Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (Tim Willis)
9. 06:03 AM - Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (JGriff)
10. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (Ryan Mueller)
11. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (Jack Phillips)
12. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
13. 06:53 AM - Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (Pieti Lowell)
14. 07:11 AM - Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (JGriff)
15. 07:16 AM - Re: anybody make a glass cowling? (kevinpurtee)
16. 07:18 AM - Re: Single strand of bungee (kevinpurtee)
17. 07:31 AM - Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011 (kevinpurtee)
18. 07:48 AM - Re: anybody make a glass cowling? (Dan Yocum)
19. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Single strand of bungee (Ryan Mueller)
20. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011 (Steve Ruse)
21. 08:30 AM - Re: Builders/Pietenpols in the Northeast? (dgaldrich)
22. 09:14 AM - Re: Brodhead flybys (BYD)
23. 09:24 AM - Re: Builders/Pietenpols in the Northeast? (coxwelljon)
24. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011 (Rick Holland)
25. 10:02 AM - Re: Builders/Pietenpols in the Northeast? (JGriff)
26. 11:47 AM - Glass Cowling Pics (Ben Charvet)
27. 12:06 PM - Re: Glass Cowling Pics (kevinpurtee)
28. 12:22 PM - Re: Glass Cowling Pics (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
29. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011 (hvandervoo@aol.com)
30. 12:44 PM - Re: Glass Cowling Pics (H RULE)
31. 02:42 PM - Re: Glass Cowling Pics (Bill Church)
32. 02:57 PM - Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011 (kevinpurtee)
33. 03:09 PM - Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge (kevinpurtee)
34. 03:12 PM - Re: anybody make a glass cowling? (Greg Cardinal)
35. 03:33 PM - Re: First visit to a Pietenpoler (ALAN LYSCARS)
36. 04:38 PM - The Glide-O-Bike (Paul N. Peckham)
37. 07:50 PM - Re: anybody make a glass cowling? (shad bell)
38. 09:23 PM - Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? (coxwelljon)
39. 09:29 PM - Re: The Glide-O-Bike (Billy McCaskill)
40. 09:35 PM - Re: Glass Cowling Pics (Billy McCaskill)
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| Subject: | Original Air Camper & Sky Scout Builders Manual |
Do I need it when I order the rest of my plans?
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| Subject: | Air Camper vs. Fly Baby |
I apologize if some of this is old and been over a million times but I'm a newbie
and trying to decide between building the Pietenpol and the Fly Baby.
Can anyone tell me any big differences in the building process between the Air
Camper and the Fly Baby? Would you consider one more difficult than the other
to build? Does anyone here have experience flying both planes? Is there any big
difference in flight characteristics? Are they about equal in cockpit size?
Is there anything else I should be thinking about in trying to decide between the
two?
Sorry for all the newbie questions but we all have to start somewhere.
:)
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Hey All,
First off, thanks as always for the input re mixture control. I'll
definitely use it!
Secondly, I really like the idea of a hand propping seminar/demonstration
AND traffic pattern (landing and flybys) clarification (not new rules, just
restatement of the standing rules of the road) being published in the
newsletter and on the list.
I don't hear anybody here asking that Brodhead be overloaded with rules. I
DO hear people wanting the in place rules observed so everyone can be safer
and enjoy all aspects of the fly in.
I've attended Brodhead for about nine years and the traffic was noticeably
kooky this year. Maybe shouldn't let this one out as I don't want to be
shunned, but I've seen a total of seven people die in airplane crashes over
my lifetime, including two mid airs so. I would really hate to see another.
PLUS, a standard fly by pattern makes it easier for us gawkers to enjoy the
fly bys!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | anybody make a glass cowling? |
Has anybody out there made a glass cowling on a mold?
My new cowling design calls for lots of compound curves and if I can't get
my English wheel friend to do it, I'm going to have to build it up from
composites.
I was wondering if anybody else has done the foam mold on the nose routine
and has any advice?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 or 613.5, and jigs too... |
I think it is great to see others who are very concerned with the weight of their
plane. I am a HUGE advocate for saving weight every place I can. Every little
bit adds up and it will make a difference...in take off roll, climb rate, lading
roll/speed, cruise speed, fuel consumption, etc. BUILD LIGHT! (build to
plans is optional)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby |
There are a number of us that has flown the Fly Baby and the Pietenpol, Ed Sampson.
David Zigmont and Me, The Fly Baby is as easy to build and fly as well as
the Piet, carries one passenger, not much room for extra gear, camping equipment
etc. needs less space to park and store. It has no gear absorbing capabilities
except for soft tires.And the Pietenpol can handle any engine up to 300
pounds. Its followers are not as wearied as Pietenpolers. Where in this world
can you find a bunch of craftsman that gather together to a migration area such
as Brodhead each year. I have been to the point of the gathering each year ,
with a Pietenpol every year since the mid 70s, nor I can not stay on the subject
very long without drifting toward a great bunch of helpful guys that can answer
any question a builder has to ask, regarding the Pietenpol, nor get valuable
ideas,fixtures etc. etc.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Original Air Camper & Sky Scout Builders Manual |
Its not really a necessity. It mostly contains the text from the two
F&G Manual reprints, so if you have those you could bypass it. However
it does contain a section of building hints, a write-up on mods for
Pietenpol's Corvair conversion (including changes to the airframe),
and a section of answers to FAQ. I picked up a copy when I bought our
plans, and I'm glad I did. It's a neat thing to have. You should
either give the manual or the F&G Manual reprints a read though...
The important thing to do is to just buy the plans so you can start
building! You haven't really gotten going with anything if you still
haven't even bought the plans yet. :)
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 5, 2010, at 6:26 AM, "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Do I need it when I order the rest of my plans?
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307594#307594
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby |
Apples-to-oranges, except for ease of build and low cost. The Flybaby is single
place and has a low wing. Trying to make it 2-place or a biplane as some have
done makes a good plane very much worse. Read Flybaby sites and see for yourself.
IMO, if you are flying low and slow, you want to see the ground, and a high wing
is better for that. If you build without a wing cutout, with a high wing Piet
you get shade. Here in TX I like that. In MN or WI, for instance, no BFD.
The Flybaby is faster than the Piet. It is no cross-country machine, though, for
it has short range with its standard tank. Check that out for yourself, for
that is from memory on me.
I looked at the Zenith 601 and Flybaby before the Piet, then chose the Piet for
its 2-place capability, simple hardware, and variety of engines and LG. Discovering
the Pietenpol community was a big, big plus. For me, my choice looks
better and better over time.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: JGriff <jgriffith19@comcast.net>
>Sent: Aug 5, 2010 6:54 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
>
>
>I apologize if some of this is old and been over a million times but I'm a newbie
and trying to decide between building the Pietenpol and the Fly Baby.
>Can anyone tell me any big differences in the building process between the Air
Camper and the Fly Baby? Would you consider one more difficult than the other
to build? Does anyone here have experience flying both planes? Is there any big
difference in flight characteristics? Are they about equal in cockpit size?
>
>Is there anything else I should be thinking about in trying to decide between
the two?
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby |
Just from my limited research so far Ive been very impressed with the sense of
community and support the Pietenpol group has.
I havent looked closely yet at the Air Camper drawings is there even room for
extra gear? Probably a stupid question considering it is an Air CAMPER but what
kind of actual baggage space is there?
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby |
Not much, but there are solutions. If you put the tank in the wing you can
use the area between the firewall and the front cockpit panel for baggage.
If you put the tank in the fuselage you can the use space in the center
section for baggage. You can lengthen the baggage space under the turtledec
k
aft, but you're looking at more of a "glove box" there than an actual
baggage compartment, per the size and CG limitations of storing anything fa
r
aft.
But if you are comparing to the Fly Baby, then of course there's
plenty....since you have an entire front cockpit for hauling stuff, if you
are by yourself. Of course with the Fly Baby you are always by yourself, an
d
you have no other option.
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:03 AM, JGriff <jgriffith19@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Just from my limited research so far I=92ve been very impressed with the
> sense of community and support the Pietenpol group has.
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> I haven=92t looked closely yet at the Air Camper drawings ' is there ev
en
> room for extra gear? Probably a stupid question considering it is an Air
> CAMPER but what kind of actual baggage space is there?
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby |
J,
It depends on how you build it. As designed, for a model A Ford, there
is no baggage space. With a Continental engine and the fuel tank in the
centersection of the wing, there is space for a good sized baggage
compartment between the front cockpit and the firewall.
Conversely, if you have a fuselage tank, you can carry some baggage
between the spars in the centersection, as Mike Cuy does.
One of the beauties of the Pietenpol design is that you can customize it
to suit yourself and your personal needs.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JGriff
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Just from my limited research so far I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ve been
very impressed with the sense of community and support the Pietenpol
group has.
I haven=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t looked closely yet at the Air Camper
drawings =C3=A2=82=AC=9C is there even room for extra gear?
Probably a stupid question considering it is an Air CAMPER but what kind
of actual baggage space is there?
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby |
I'm not building either one, but follow closely as they are both neat
aircraft. From what I have learned the FB requires you to make some laminated
pieces(wingtip bows, etc), which isn't that big of a deal from what I am
told, but still intimidates me a little.
It is a single seater which obviously limits you to flying by
yourself, but also when you want to carry "stuff" you have little room to put
stuff. The FB community has a guy Ron Wantajja? sorry don't remember the
spelling who is really involved, and does a lot for the type. His web site has
tons of information and really got me interested in the type. Even if you build
a Piet, there is info there on the Continentals I think that may be of
interest to you. I think all in all it is a great aircraft. One thing that
bothers me is the few that have lost a wing. Those aircraft have all been
documented as having some problem that caused the wing loss. Meaning it could
have been prevented either with proper build/maintenance or reducing pilot
error. For me though, being relatively uneducated on the type, knowing the
differences in the build methods, and such is too risky.
The Piet on the other hand, to my knowledge has no history of any such
failures?? That and being a two seater would be enough to sway me to favor
the Piet. Also, the Piet community seems to be much larger. With numbers,
naturally there is more help, and experience. Neither plane is really great
for cross country cause they're just not fast, and range is limited. Both
planes are cool as all get out. Both are relatively inexpensive. To me,
which do you like better, and which are you more comfortable building/flying?
Boyce
building Mustang II
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby |
The last trip to The Pietenpol fly-in, I carried the following. 22 gal of fuel,two
passengers, 2 sleeping bags 2 packed bags for 2, tool/ spare parts 30 Lbs,
tent, 5 quarts oil, 2 gal H2O.
Keep in mind that I have the short Piet with 612 wing. Clipped 2 Ft.
This very same Piet I have flown with three wing foils, 4 engines. from a Ford
to a Werner(347 Lbs plus 3 gal of oil)With no wing position change.
The Piet will take a 250 Lb passenger or with wing position change a 300 Lb Pilot
and a small weight passenger.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby |
You guys are making a real strong case. Ive been looking at the build manual for
the FB and have been pretty impressed with the clarity and the step by step
process. Is the Pietenpol AC build manual like that? I saw another thread about
the AC build manual and it sounded like it is a little vaguer.
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| Subject: | Re: anybody make a glass cowling? |
Hans Vander Voort did his nose section out of fiberglass.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Single strand of bungee |
chocolate eclaire - higher tensile strength
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011 |
Took me 3.5 days both ways, even with good winds. In both cases there was a one
day delay due to weather or in-laws. I plan on two 400 mile days and one 300
mile day. Given my stock fuel tank and corvair burn rate I don't go very far
between fuel stops. Several people have suggested an add-on extended range
fuel system (red can with hand pump, perhaps). I might do that. An extra 30
minutes would be about perfect. Anyway, like I mentioned before, if you get sick
of waiting for me I'll meet you at night.
So, barring some unpredicted interference from work, I'm going next year and would
love to join up with as many TX/OK/KS/MO/IA/WI piets as we can pick up along
the way.
You out there Hans?
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: anybody make a glass cowling? |
Douwe,
Ben Charvet has a glass cowling. It's really slick looking, too.
Dan
On 08/05/2010 07:09 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Has anybody out there made a glass cowling on a mold?
>
> My new cowling design calls for lots of compound curves and if I cant
> get my English wheel friend to do it, Im going to have to build it up
> from composites.
>
> I was wondering if anybody else has done the foam mold on the nose
> routine and has any advice?
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Single strand of bungee |
Nice....and the creamy filling helps dampen vibration... :)
Ryan
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:18 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
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> chocolate eclaire - higher tensile strength
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> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011 |
I'm in Norman, OK, so I'm right in line with you guys from further
south. And I'm actually from TX so you don't have to hold being and
okie against me. If you guys need a place to stay in central OK, I
could put a few Piets in a hangar overnight (at 1k4 or O44) and give
you a bed. With some luck I'd even join you for the trip.
Kevin, I was standing beside you for a little while at Oshkosh,
looking at your plane and listening to you talk to someone else,
unfortunately you got away before I could say hi. Maybe next year!
Very nice plane, I sat and marveled at your wood struts and
leatherwork for a long time! What is your IAS? I'm straining to get
70mph. I make it down to the DFW area in mine on occasion, we should
get together sometime.
Heading up there with one or two Piets would be an absolute blast.
Last year I did over 9hrs in one day coming home in my GN-1. What a
fun trip. I made it from central OK to Oshkosh in about 21hrs (left
around 2 in the afternoon, arrived at OSH around 11AM the next day).
Return trip was about 24hrs trip time, 12 flight hours, left during
the airshow at around 2PM, arrived in OK around 3PM the next day.
Round trip was 25hrs flight time. Slept in my tent or on FBO couches.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>:
> <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Took me 3.5 days both ways, even with good winds. In both cases
> there was a one day delay due to weather or in-laws. I plan on two
> 400 mile days and one 300 mile day. Given my stock fuel tank and
> corvair burn rate I don't go very far between fuel stops. Several
> people have suggested an add-on extended range fuel system (red can
> with hand pump, perhaps). I might do that. An extra 30 minutes
> would be about perfect. Anyway, like I mentioned before, if you get
> sick of waiting for me I'll meet you at night.
>
> So, barring some unpredicted interference from work, I'm going next
> year and would love to join up with as many TX/OK/KS/MO/IA/WI piets
> as we can pick up along the way.
>
> You out there Hans?
>
> --------
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Builders/Pietenpols in the Northeast? |
Hi Jamie
I'm in Belfast, ME (KBST) and have ribs, tail feathers and fuselage sides done
if you want to drop by. Not much but you can see how they relate to the plans.
Dave Aldrich
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead flybys |
In reviewing the original message, this post has indeed been hijacked. My apologies
to the group for my portion of that result.
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| Subject: | Re: Builders/Pietenpols in the Northeast? |
I am in Remsen NY and I am completing a GN-1 aircamper that I bought.
Fuselage done and nearly ready for cover, wings done and one covered, tail surfaces
done and covered. I would be happy to let your look at my project.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
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| Subject: | Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011 |
How large is your fuel tank Kevin?
rick
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:31 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Took me 3.5 days both ways, even with good winds. In both cases there was
> a one day delay due to weather or in-laws. I plan on two 400 mile days and
> one 300 mile day. Given my stock fuel tank and corvair burn rate I don't go
> very far between fuel stops. Several people have suggested an add-on
> extended range fuel system (red can with hand pump, perhaps). I might do
> that. An extra 30 minutes would be about perfect. Anyway, like I mentioned
> before, if you get sick of waiting for me I'll meet you at night.
>
> So, barring some unpredicted interference from work, I'm going next year
> and would love to join up with as many TX/OK/KS/MO/IA/WI piets as we can
> pick up along the way.
>
> You out there Hans?
>
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> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Builders/Pietenpols in the Northeast? |
Thanks Jon and Dave. Hopefully I can find something a bit closer to Boston but
if I can't maybe I'll take you up on your offers and fly out to check out the
project.
Thanks.
Jamie
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| Subject: | Glass Cowling Pics |
Hi Douwe,
I made my cowling from polyester resin/fiberglass. I had a Continental
core crankcase that I bolted to the motor mount, with a PVC pipe
extension for where the prop flange would end up. I made a few frames
of plywood to get the general shape I wanted. I also mounted the
carbureter and airbox and put a frame on the front of the airbox to
simulate where the Bracket air filter would end up. I didn't want my
carb/air filter/airbox hanging below the cowling. Next I stapled/wired
lath screen to my frame and around the firewall. This was followed by
about a month of adding a coat of drywall mud, sanding, adding more mud,
and more sanding. I used a long block to sand it. I was able to get a
nice compound curve on the top of the cowl as I hope you can see from
the pictures. The air cleaner is also nicely faired into the bottom of
the cowl. After the male plug mold was to my satisfaction, I varnished
it, then gave it a couple of coats of paste was as a mold release. I
covered it with 2 and sometimes 3 layers of fiberglass cloth, then
coated the entire thing with a thin coat of automotive bondo, then
blocked it out with multiple steps until I was satisfied. I split it in
two to make upper and lower halves using an angle grinder, then peeled
it slowly and carefully away from the mold. The mold was destroyed in
the process.
All together this took 2 months of pretty steady evening work. I used
nearly 2 buckets of drywall mud, and had to weight the tail to keep it
from nosing over. I'm really happy with the result, and unless I had
access to an english wheel, I'd do it the same way again.
Ben
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| Subject: | Re: Glass Cowling Pics |
Beautiful, Ben. Doesn't have the charm of my East-Texas-Ace-Hardware-redneck-pop-rivets,
though:).
Perhaps you could make one for me if you get bored? Not that I don't love pop-rivets...
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Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Glass Cowling Pics |
Ben how much does your beautiful cowling weigh??
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
Charvet
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Glass Cowling Pics
Hi Douwe,
I made my cowling from polyester resin/fiberglass. I had a Continental
core crankcase that I bolted to the motor mount, with a PVC pipe
extension for where the prop flange would end up. I made a few frames
of plywood to get the general shape I wanted. I also mounted the
carbureter and airbox and put a frame on the front of the airbox to
simulate where the Bracket air filter would end up. I didn't want my
carb/air filter/airbox hanging below the cowling. Next I stapled/wired
lath screen to my frame and around the firewall. This was followed by
about a month of adding a coat of drywall mud, sanding, adding more mud,
and more sanding. I used a long block to sand it. I was able to get a
nice compound curve on the top of the cowl as I hope you can see from
the pictures. The air cleaner is also nicely faired into the bottom of
the cowl. After the male plug mold was to my satisfaction, I varnished
it, then gave it a couple of coats of paste was as a mold release. I
covered it with 2 and sometimes 3 layers of fiberglass cloth, then
coated the entire thing with a thin coat of automotive bondo, then
blocked it out with multiple steps until I was satisfied. I split it in
two to make upper and lower halves using an angle grinder, then peeled
it slowly and carefully away from the mold. The mold was destroyed in
the process.
All together this took 2 months of pretty steady evening work. I used
nearly 2 buckets of drywall mud, and had to weight the tail to keep it
from nosing over. I'm really happy with the result, and unless I had
access to an english wheel, I'd do it the same way again.
Ben
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| Subject: | Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011 |
Yep. I am out here.
Just read up on 165 emails.
Wish I had the time to do what you did, a great adventure.
Good to see you made it home safe.
Perhaps I'll join next year,but vacation days are scarce.
Planning for Reklaw in October. http://www.reklawflyin.com/
Keep Flying.
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 9:31 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011
mil>
Took me 3.5 days both ways, even with good winds. In both cases there was
a one
ay delay due to weather or in-laws. I plan on two 400 mile days and one
300
ile day. Given my stock fuel tank and corvair burn rate I don't go very
far
etween fuel stops. Several people have suggested an add-on extended range
fuel
ystem (red can with hand pump, perhaps). I might do that. An extra 30 mi
nutes
ould be about perfect. Anyway, like I mentioned before, if you get sick
of
aiting for me I'll meet you at night.
So, barring some unpredicted interference from work, I'm going next year
and
ould love to join up with as many TX/OK/KS/MO/IA/WI piets as we can pick
up
long the way.
You out there Hans?
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evin Purtee
X899KP
ustin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Glass Cowling Pics |
Now that is really nice to look at!
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From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 2:46:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Glass Cowling Pics
Hi Douwe,
I made my cowling from polyester resin/fiberglass. I had a Continental core
crankcase that I bolted to the motor mount, with a PVC pipe extension for where
the prop flange would end up. I made a few frames of plywood to get the
general shape I wanted. I also mounted the carbureter and airbox and put a
frame on the front of the airbox to simulate where the Bracket air filter would
end up. I didn't want my carb/air filter/airbox hanging below the cowling.
Next I stapled/wired lath screen to my frame and around the firewall. This was
followed by about a month of adding a coat of drywall mud, sanding, adding more
mud, and more sanding. I used a long block to sand it. I was able to get a
nice compound curve on the top of the cowl as I hope you can see from the
pictures. The air cleaner is also nicely faired into the bottom of the cowl.
After the male plug mold was to my satisfaction, I varnished it, then gave it
a
couple of coats of paste was as a mold release. I covered it with 2 and
sometimes 3 layers of fiberglass cloth, then coated the entire thing with a
thin coat of automotive bondo, then blocked it out with multiple steps until I
was satisfied. I split it in two to make upper and lower halves using an angle
grinder, then peeled it slowly and carefully away from the mold. The mold was
destroyed in the process. All together this took 2 months of pretty steady
evening work. I used nearly 2 buckets of drywall mud, and had to weight the
tail to keep it from nosing over. I'm really happy with the result, and unless
I had access to an english wheel, I'd do it the same way again. Ben
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| Subject: | Re: Glass Cowling Pics |
Just looking at the first photo.
That thing looks like a dog's rear-end... but your cowling looks quite nice. :)
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011 |
Hi Steve - Sorry I missed you. The joy and the sorrow of Brodhead and Oshkosh
was seeing so many folks but not getting to spend enough quality time.
I cruise (legitimately, per GPS) at 75 mph.
I'll meet you in Decatur, west of dallas for lunch any weekend that's convenient
for us. That's about 100 miles for you and 150 for me.
I'd really enjoy being in a flight of texas piets swinging by to pick you up next
year!
Hi Rick - fuel tank is per the plans. When I first filled it it took 11 gallons.
9.5 flowed out at climb attitude. I burn ~5.5 gph depending on weight and
speed. That's 1.7 hours until flame out and 1.2 until reserves (is that right
CFIs? Have trouble remembering between faa and army). Anyway, that gives me
90 mile legs with no winds. I plan 70-80 miles to be on the safe side. It's
a lot of stops and a pain in the butt. I do not deny it. I would like to have
3 more gallons. May try to rig that up for long trips.
Hi Hans - Would love to have you, man!
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Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge |
I won't make Reklaw. Got a school that I can't get out of. If by some miracle
they cancel it I'll be there.
However, the Critter's Lodge fly-in in Centerville is coming up in late September.
If any of you close by can make that it would be fun. They've got food and
toilets and maybe even showers. Shelley's bringing the camp kitchen and will
feed you. If you don't want to camp it would be a great day trip and she'll
still feed you. Oscar, Hans, HH Piet Guy, Steve Ruse (good weekend camp outing
for you). I'm just thinkin'...
Axel
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| Subject: | Re: anybody make a glass cowling? |
Ken Heide, who is on this list, has the mold to make fiberglass cowls
for the Corvair powered Pietenpols.
He can be reached at:
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: anybody make a glass cowling?
Has anybody out there made a glass cowling on a mold?
My new cowling design calls for lots of compound curves and if I can't
get my English wheel friend to do it, I'm going to have to build it up
from composites.
I was wondering if anybody else has done the foam mold on the nose
routine and has any advice?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: First visit to a Pietenpoler |
Welcome, Curtis, back to the land of the living.
Al Lyscars
Manchester, NH
----- Original Message -----
From: Piet2112
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First visit to a Pietenpoler
Today I got finally see in person what I am attempting to build. I
went and saw Alex Whitmore's 1975 Model A Air Camper NX12969. What a
treat it was to actually sit in one and pick the brain of someone who
has owned, fixed and flown several different configurations.
It has been about 15 years since I've been involved in the GA
community and now I know what I've been missing. There is more to life
than the internet. Thanks Alex for letting me explore your plane.
Curtis Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Tail Feathers being fluffed
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| Subject: | The Glide-O-Bike |
Ok, for all you guys who have been pining away all these years, wanting your own flying bike just like Michael Cuy's, check this out: http://www.plan59.com/av/av446a.htm
It will bank, loop, stall, and even side-slip! I bet you could even sprain your
ankle with it. Lawyers would have a field day with this one. Enjoy.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: anybody make a glass cowling? |
Dad made his out of fiberglass, just start carving a styrofoam block to the
shape you want, and lay it up.- Cut the holes where they need to be, the
n fit the aluminum up to the nose bowl.
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It's almost that simple,
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| Subject: | Re: Differences between GN-1 and regular Piet? |
I agree with all that has been said which pretty well covers the differences, but
will add a couple of observations.
I am building a GN-1 (completing someone elses project), but have both the plans
for a it and a Piet. I refer to both often. I think the wing attach fittings
are different on the GN-1 and the 3 piece wing is standard for the GN-1. The
GN-1s are noted for being heavier not including the engine. The airfoil is
different and is touted as a modified Piet airfoil. The spars are in a different
location which allows for a slightly deeper front spar. The leading edge
is less sharp which is supposed to allow for a gentler stall. Mine is a wood
fuselage and my plans show both wood and steel. The wood plans call for plywood
clear to the tail. I flew in a GN-1 at Broadhead with a wood fuselage and
a front door. My wood plans do not show a door but the steel plans do. The
rudder horns attach differently on the GN-1 and it had the leaf spring tailwheel
as standard using a cub tailwheel.
I am making changes to mine based on the good things I find in both Piet and GN-1
plans. The rear instrument panel is quite close on the GN-1 and I have modified
that. I am taking out weight where ever I can. Mine will have a Piet style
tail wheel similar to the tail skid to lighten up the tail and move the weight
forward approx. 12" I am re-routing the elev. control cables to avoid the
rubbing on the elevator in the full down position. I will add a front door
to mine after seeing Dale Mcclesky's at Broadhead. The structure will probably
be of my own design. Mine will fly with a corvair engine. I think Grega had
some good ideas but a lot of his hand drawn plans are nearly a direct copy
of the Piet plans. I would say it is a first cousin to the Piet.
I have Grega's hand drawn plans but his son had them produced on CAD a couple of
years ago and then completely quit selling them or supporting them. I have
heard some rumor that there were mistakes on the CAD plans and he may have backed
away because of liability. This forum is about the best support for the GN-1
that there is, as there are a lot of GN-1 builders on here.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
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| Subject: | Re: The Glide-O-Bike |
That wing sure has a lot of undercamber and therefore probably a lot of induced
drag. Would probably do much better with a Riblett GA30-612 airfoil instead.
:)
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Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Glass Cowling Pics |
I noticed that the leash laws must be enforced rather strictly where you live...
I saw that the Piet was tied to the tree so as not to create a nuisance in the
neighborhood. The dog, however, must be exempt from such local ordnances.
:D
Seriously though, that it a beautiful cowling you have created Ben!
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Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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