---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/06/10: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:32 AM - Re: GN-1 (TriScout) 2. 04:48 AM - Re: Re: Single strand of bungee (Dan Yocum) 3. 05:33 AM - Re: Glass Cowling Pics (Ben Charvet) 4. 05:48 AM - Glass Cowlings (Ben Charvet) 5. 06:02 AM - Re: Glass Cowlings (Jim Markle) 6. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011 (Ben Charvet) 7. 06:08 AM - Re: Glass Cowlings (Ryan Mueller) 8. 07:08 AM - Re: Single strand of bungee (kevinpurtee) 9. 07:24 AM - Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge (Oscar Zuniga) 10. 08:40 AM - Re: Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge (hvandervoo@aol.com) 11. 09:15 AM - Re: Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge (kevinpurtee) 12. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge (Tim Willis) 13. 11:00 AM - Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (j_dunavin) 14. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (Ryan Mueller) 15. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 () 16. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (Gary Boothe) 17. 05:03 PM - Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (Pieti Lowell) 18. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (Ryan Mueller) 19. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (Jeff Boatright) 20. 07:46 PM - Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (Pieti Lowell) 21. 09:41 PM - Re: Poplar? Spruce? (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 From: "TriScout" Thank Guys.. I've been watching Barnstormers. I'll be monitoring this site as well incase something crops up. Ler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307743#307743 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:50 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single strand of bungee Kevin, Did that 1/8" cable actually hold? When the prior owner of N8031 redid the bungees the 1/8" cable broke when he released the last wrap. Luckily, the plane was blocked up under the fuselage, so no damage was done. He replaced the safety cable with 3/16" or 1/4" cable. Something pretty sturdy. Dan On 08/04/2010 04:49 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee" > > Rick - I just wrapped a piece of 1/8 control cable around the two bungee retaining tubes and swaged it. I zip tie it up out of the way for aesthetics. -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:13 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Glass Cowling Pics I never actually weighed it. I'm sure it weighs between 5 and 10 pounds, but I needed the weight on the nose anyway. Ben On 8/5/2010 3:15 PM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote: > > Ben how much does your beautiful cowling weigh?? > > Brian > > SLC-UT > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben > Charvet > *Sent:* Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:47 PM > *To:* Pietenpol list > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Glass Cowling Pics > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:18 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Glass Cowlings I think this is the nicest Piet cowling I've ever seen. Anybody know whose it is? Ben Charvet ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:57 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Glass Cowlings Randy Bruce (according to the lettering on the side: Captain Buck Nekkd) built it but he doesn't own it any more. A real artist/craftsman and quite a character. Now lives over by Larry Williams in Arkansas.... He's a good guy and would probably be glad to explain how he did the cowling. jm -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Charvet >Sent: Aug 6, 2010 7:47 AM >To: pietenpol list >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Glass Cowlings > >I think this is the nicest Piet cowling I've ever seen. Anybody know >whose it is? > >Ben Charvet ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:08 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Texas TACOs to Brodhead- 2011 At least you have electric start... Ben > > Hi Rick - fuel tank is per the plans. When I first filled it it took 11 gallons. 9.5 flowed out at climb attitude. I burn ~5.5 gph depending on weight and speed. That's 1.7 hours until flame out and 1.2 until reserves (is that right CFIs? Have trouble remembering between faa and army). Anyway, that gives me 90 mile legs with no winds. I plan 70-80 miles to be on the safe side. It's a lot of stops and a pain in the butt. I do not deny it. I would like to have 3 more gallons. May try to rig that up for long trips. > > Hi Hans - Would love to have you, man! > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Glass Cowlings From: Ryan Mueller It now belongs to a gentleman named Eddie Wojtecki in Stratford, Ontario, having been imported from the US. It was N28LT, and now wears the registration C-GLPA: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/C-GLPA.html http://www.recreationalflying.net/forum/just-landed/46272-just-landed.html Bill Church photographed it at the Brussels fly-in in '07: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=314 And a few more shots @ WestCoastPiet: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/new_page_47.htm For what it's worth. :P Ryan On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > Randy Bruce (according to the lettering on the side: Captain Buck Nekkd) > built it but he doesn't own it any more. A real artist/craftsman and quite > a character. > > Now lives over by Larry Williams in Arkansas.... > > He's a good guy and would probably be glad to explain how he did the > cowling. > > jm > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Ben Charvet > >Sent: Aug 6, 2010 7:47 AM > >To: pietenpol list > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Glass Cowlings > > > >I think this is the nicest Piet cowling I've ever seen. Anybody know > >whose it is? > > > >Ben Charvet > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single strand of bungee From: "kevinpurtee" Hi Dan - yeah, it held. Probably a wise idea to increase the size of the cable, though, particularly for people using the single length of bungee. Kevin -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307770#307770 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:39 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge Critter's Lodge? Hey, now-! That one is about an hour closer to me than Reklaw and a month earlier in the year. I'm going to investigate! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge From: hvandervoo@aol.com I am game, just 80 miles Might fly out Friday afternoon with a return on Saturday Start planning Hans NX15KV Waller, TX -----Original Message----- From: kevinpurtee Sent: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 5:09 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge mil> I won't make Reklaw. Got a school that I can't get out of. If by some mi racle hey cancel it I'll be there. However, the Critter's Lodge fly-in in Centerville is coming up in late eptember. If any of you close by can make that it would be fun. They've got ood and toilets and maybe even showers. Shelley's bringing the camp kitch en nd will feed you. If you don't want to camp it would be a great day trip and he'll still feed you. Oscar, Hans, HH Piet Guy, Steve Ruse (good weekend camp uting for you). I'm just thinkin'... Axel do not archive -------- evin Purtee X899KP ustin/Georgetown, TX ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307701#307701 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge From: "kevinpurtee" Oscar, Hans and Any Other Interested Parties - Here's what I know: website - http://critterslodge.org/ dates 24-26 Sep, rain date 10/1 airport TE01 I've got camping spots 25, 26 & 27 for me and two other friends. If you decide to camp it'd be neat if you could get near those spots. It's $5. If you get in touch with him now that should improve your chances for site selection. If you'll let me know for sure what your plans are as we get closer Shelley will provision to feed you. And you can still do Reklaw:) Kevin -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307782#307782 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:34 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge Sorry, this was on the 2nd page. It explains all. -----Original Message----- >From: kevinpurtee >Sent: Aug 6, 2010 12:15 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Texas/Oklahoma Piets, Reklaw and Critter's Lodge > > >Oscar, Hans and Any Other Interested Parties - Here's what I know: > >website - http://critterslodge.org/ >dates 24-26 Sep, rain date 10/1 >airport TE01 > >I've got camping spots 25, 26 & 27 for me and two other friends. If you decide to camp it'd be neat if you could get near those spots. It's $5. If you get in touch with him now that should improve your chances for site selection. > >If you'll let me know for sure what your plans are as we get closer Shelley will provision to feed you. > >And you can still do Reklaw:) > >Kevin > >-------- >Kevin Purtee >NX899KP >Austin/Georgetown, TX > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307782#307782 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby From: "j_dunavin" > The last trip to The Pietenpol fly-in, I carried the following. 22 gal of fuel,two passengers, 2 sleeping bags 2 packed bags for 2, tool/ spare parts 30 Lbs, tent, 5 quarts oil, 2 gal H2O. > Keep in mind that I have the short Piet with 612 wing. Clipped 2 Ft. > This very same Piet I have flown with three wing foils, 4 engines. from a Ford to a Werner(347 Lbs plus 3 gal of oil)With no wing position change. > The Piet will take a 250 Lb passenger or with wing position change a 300 Lb Pilot and a small weight passenger. > Pieti Lowell Wow Lowell All that in a Pietenpol? Which engine do you have? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307791#307791 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby From: Ryan Mueller I call BS. I want to see a picture of all that stuffed in the airplane. :) (j/k) but really, I want to see a picture of that :P Ryan do not archive On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:00 PM, j_dunavin wrote: > > > > The last trip to The Pietenpol fly-in, I carried the following. 22 gal of > fuel,two passengers, 2 sleeping bags 2 packed bags for 2, tool/ spare parts > 30 Lbs, tent, 5 quarts oil, 2 gal H2O. > > Keep in mind that I have the short Piet with 612 wing. Clipped 2 Ft. > > This very same Piet I have flown with three wing foils, 4 engines. from a > Ford to a Werner(347 Lbs plus 3 gal of oil)With no wing position change. > > The Piet will take a 250 Lb passenger or with wing position change a 300 > Lb Pilot and a small weight passenger. > > Pieti Lowell > > > Wow Lowell > All that in a Pietenpol? Which engine do you have? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307791#307791 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:02 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 I don't know where you are locaed but there is a guy in Virginia with a banged up GN-1. I think I saw it on Barnstormers. Rodney Hall ---- TriScout wrote: > > Thank Guys.. > > I've been watching Barnstormers. I'll be monitoring this site as well incase something crops up. > > Ler > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307743#307743 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:09 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby Wish I said that.. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby I call BS. I want to see a picture of all that stuffed in the airplane. :) (j/k) but really, I want to see a picture of that :P Ryan do not archive On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:00 PM, j_dunavin wrote: > The last trip to The Pietenpol fly-in, I carried the following. 22 gal of fuel,two passengers, 2 sleeping bags 2 packed bags for 2, tool/ spare parts 30 Lbs, tent, 5 quarts oil, 2 gal H2O. > Keep in mind that I have the short Piet with 612 wing. Clipped 2 Ft. > This very same Piet I have flown with three wing foils, 4 engines. from a Ford to a Werner(347 Lbs plus 3 gal of oil)With no wing position change. > The Piet will take a 250 Lb passenger or with wing position change a 300 Lb Pilot and a small weight passenger. > Pieti Lowell Wow Lowell All that in a Pietenpol? Which engine do you have? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307791#307791 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby From: "Pieti Lowell" I now am using a Ford B swinging a Lambert wood prop 76 X 47 at 2200 RPM. The front cockpit of the Pietenpol has a large cubic feet of space. Plus ,with a passenger her lap can accommodate two sleeping bags, her feet are resting on the tool bag and behind it is the tent .A very uncomfortable ride for a passenger.I only need to fly 40 miles to Brodhead. Most of the times she returns either Via auto or other means, I guess that is the reason that no passengers return to Palmyra with me. I have no controls in the front cockpit area, giving more usable space The fuel is in the wing center section and front cowl area. Extra oil is used in the Ford pan And of course we all know where the 2 gal of water is stored. A new designed radiator will allow more area for cooling and 10 square feet of wing area for better lifting heavy loads. Also-- for those that think that the impossible is impossible I am installing a Ford starting device that requires no electrical circuits and will be activated while the pilot is in the cockpit, and without hand prop assistance. By the way heavy loads test the landing gear, either vertical or horizontal as we find out very quickly. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307815#307815 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby From: Ryan Mueller You didn't account for the two packed bags for two yet... ;) Ryan On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Pieti Lowell wrote: > Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> > > I now am using a Ford B swinging a Lambert wood prop 76 X 47 at 2200 RPM. > The front cockpit of the Pietenpol has a large cubic feet of space. Plus > ,with a passenger her lap can accommodate two sleeping bags, her feet are > resting on the tool bag and behind it is the tent .A very uncomfortable ride > for a passenger.I only need to fly 40 miles to Brodhead. Most of the times > she returns either Via auto or other means, I guess that is the reason that > no passengers return to Palmyra with me. > I have no controls in the front cockpit area, giving more usable space > The fuel is in the wing center section and front cowl area. Extra oil is > used in the Ford pan And of course we all know where the 2 gal of water is > stored. > A new designed radiator will allow more area for cooling and 10 square feet > of wing area for better lifting heavy loads. > Also-- for those that think that the impossible is impossible I am > installing a Ford starting device that requires no electrical circuits and > will be activated while the pilot is in the cockpit, and without hand prop > assistance. > By the way heavy loads test the landing gear, either vertical or horizontal > as we find out very quickly. > Pieti Lowell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307815#307815 > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:02 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby Dang, Lowell! I love the experimentation! Please send pix of the Ford self-commencer if it works out! Jeff Do not archive > >I now am using a Ford B swinging a Lambert wood prop 76 X 47 at 2200 RPM. >The front cockpit of the Pietenpol has a large cubic feet of space. >Plus ,with a passenger her lap can accommodate two sleeping bags, >her feet are resting on the tool bag and behind it is the tent .A >very uncomfortable ride for a passenger.I only need to fly 40 miles >to Brodhead. Most of the times she returns either Via auto or other >means, I guess that is the reason that no passengers return to >Palmyra with me. >I have no controls in the front cockpit area, giving more usable space >The fuel is in the wing center section and front cowl area. Extra >oil is used in the Ford pan And of course we all know where the 2 >gal of water is stored. >A new designed radiator will allow more area for cooling and 10 >square feet of wing area for better lifting heavy loads. >Also-- for those that think that the impossible is impossible I am >installing a Ford starting device that requires no electrical >circuits and will be activated while the pilot is in the cockpit, >and without hand prop assistance. >By the way heavy loads test the landing gear, either vertical or >horizontal as we find out very quickly. >Pieti Lowell > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby From: "Pieti Lowell" Sorry Ryan, they are stowed on the top of the tent and tool bag , with a little room above, up to the fuel tank, she keeps them in place with her feet pushing forward. Check with the Pietenpolie Girl, she is the front passenger, If verification is required, you must donate a small amount of cash for a T-Shirt that will be available soon for her collage,ME. Degree. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307830#307830 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Poplar? Spruce? From: Mark Roberts Hey Jim! Thanks for the input. Just to refresh your memory, I was the guy that came to the Piet gathering in California and brought the 2 Riblett Jigs(612 and the 613.5). You and I chatted at the table after lunch for a while. My wife is still encouraging me to build the piet, but it's been almost a year with no income (other than Unemployment) so building is a bit slow right now. However, I have been trying to start a business (so far not too successfully!) with a partner here in Central California, and he and his Dad own a specialty wood store. This wood store stocks so many different kinds of wood that most of them I have never heard of. Sure there's some oak, pine, maple, etc., but there are many others from So. America, Africa, etc. that would (wood??) make your head spin. So get this: They/We stock some really nice doug fir, really sweet poplar, but .... wait for it.... we have quite a bit of Spar Grade Sitka Spruce in 20 foot lengths! This stuff does not come 'certified' as such (heck, Pietenpol picked his own wood before certification!), but I have never seen such straight grain in wood as the ones Al (the owner) hand picks from his supplier for the spars he sells. Talk about vertical grain!! All the stuff he has (quite a bit actually) is perfect for spars. I brought my EAA wood book and some of the criteria to the shop one day to learn a bit by 'grading' it myself and it is perfect stuff: the right ring count per inch, etc. He said he had so many guys over the years com in and ask for sitka spruce he started stocking it. I know, I know.... what am I belly aching for? I can get the stuff at cost from him (truly a very nice Father and son team). You can see a picture of the laser business we are attempting to build here: www.california-laser.com the white haired guy is Al the owner of the WoodShed. The other guy is his son, my business partner. But, (and here is the wildest fact): those spar grade chunks of Sitka? *$8.99 a BOARD FOOT* (a board foot is 12" x 12" x 1" thick). Check that against ACS or Wicks! And he'll sell to anyone. This stuff comes rough cut (not finished off) but still, at the price it is a steal. I have been thinking about advertising for him to drum up some builder interest for him. In fact, the wood delivery company (from the northwest) he gets the stuff from is coming through soon, and I am planning to sell something around the house so I can buy most of my wood when the truck shows up (at cost :o). With all the equipment we have I can cut and sand all the stock easily enough. In fact, while I am thinking about it, if anyone is interested in getting some of this, just pop me an email and I can connect you to him: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com We might be able to cut it to size you need too. Part of the reason I am looking at spruce vs. poplar is that I can get it so cheap by comparison. I might be able to afford it if we get the business going... Thanks again for the feedback! Mark On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:17 PM, CJ Borsuk wrote: > > So that's where my spruce went!! > > > Do not archive. > > Chuck > > On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:50 PM, Jim Markle wrote: > jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > > However, I am thinking of going with Spruce after all, as every little > bit helps, and poplar is heavier. Chaper and easier to get, but > heavier... > > > Actually....Jack and Chuck and I talked about this very subject when we got together this week. I personally think you should go with spruce if at all possible....the time it takes to get poplar or douglas fir or whatever and find the stuff with the right number of growth rings, etc....well, I think you're better off just going ahead and buying Spruce. > > I spent a LOT of time in Lowes/Home Depot/specialty lumber yards finding just the right pieces of Douglas Fir....and that was time I could have (and SHOULD have!) spent building.... > > If I was to do it over I would go with Spruce without giving it a second thought...in the long run it will probably not actually cost any more.... > > I know I wasn't asked but that's my 2 cents anyway.... :-) > > jm > > -- Mark Roberts California Laser Etch www.california-laser.com 888-882-5015 888-882-5016 fax ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.