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1. 04:03 AM - Re: Piet Sighting at Norridgewock Maine (Jim Markle)
2. 05:32 AM - prop refinishing (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 07:09 AM - Re: prop refinishing (Max Hegler)
4. 09:03 AM - Re: prop refinishing (Jerry Dotson)
5. 11:22 AM - Re: prop refinishing (Billy McCaskill)
6. 12:40 PM - Spring Loaded Tail Wheel (jeff wilson)
7. 01:00 PM - Re: Spring Loaded Tail Wheel (Gary Boothe)
8. 01:23 PM - Re: Spring Loaded Tail Wheel (Gary Boothe)
9. 04:51 PM - Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (JGriff)
10. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby (Gary Boothe)
11. 09:47 PM - Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate some feedback regarding an idea... (Mark Roberts)
12. 10:10 PM - Re: Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate some feedback regarding an idea... (Matt Redmond)
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Sighting at Norridgewock Maine |
Looks like he attached the covers on center section wing gap areas....directly
to the wing. Most just lap it over the outside. That's interesting.
Sure do like those huge tires and nice contrasting woods in the instrument panel.
I love starting off the day with a cup of coffee and some new Air Camper pictures....
Life is good.
Thanks Michael!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net>
>Sent: Aug 7, 2010 9:43 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Sighting at Norridgewock Maine
>
>
>This one built in 1988 by Tom Fahy of Carrabassett Valley Maine
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| Subject: | prop refinishing |
Hey,
Cool thing happened yesterday. While helping a friend move, I noticed an
old prop hanging on his garage wall. On closer inspection it turned out to
be a Fahlin prop and appears completely unused. He then said "you can have
that if my son doesn't want it, he was going to drill some holes in it and
make a really cool ceiling fan". The son said I could have it.
The brass leading tipping and edging is perfect and there are no crush marks
around any of the bolt holes. There is absolutely no delamination or
cracking anywhere. It Is however, completely covered with what looks like
crappy old varnish or something that was overppainted the entire prop and is
discolored very, very dark and kinda pooled up into little pools all over.
This coating almost has the same texture as miniature alligator skin where
the stuff has pooled together leaving little crevasse between them.
This coating was added by someone later as it goes right on over the decals
and the metal tipping. I did noticed it seemed to get softer in my hot car.
I'd like to refinish this prop if not to use, at least to display as it is
truly a beaut and Ole Fahlin was a very famous old prop maker. I think he
started in the twenties and worked until his death in the early nineties
when he was in HIS early nineties.
I've been reading up on my varnish removal options and am really hesitant to
use strippers as I don't want to affect the wood or glue. I've tried Hot
soapy water in the hope it was some sort of preserving wax or grease and it
didn't do anything.
My woodworking friend says start with hot soapy water, then try alcohol.
Someone suggested acetone. I though of MEK, but have no idea what that'll
do to the wood. I could also obviously sand it down. I'd love to protect
the decals, but I'm going to investigate if any can still be found or made
up.
Any suggestions are most appreciated!
Douwe
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| Subject: | prop refinishing |
Douwe=2C
My wife and I used to refinish furniture and the product we used to save go
od underlying finishes was called Formby's refinisher. You would just wipe
it on and gently rub it until the old crud came off to the level of the fin
ish you want to keep. I believe it also had tung oil in it to protect the f
inal finish=2C or we would use Formby's tung oil as a final finish. Our Rou
nd dining room table that is around 160 years old was done that way in 1985
and is still on the tung oil that we finished it with.
Max
From: douweblumberg@earthlink.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop refinishing
Hey=2C
Cool thing happened yesterday. While helping a friend move=2C
I noticed an old prop hanging on his garage wall. On closer inspection it
turned
out to be a Fahlin prop and appears completely unused. He then said =93you
can have that if my son doesn=92t want it=2C he was going to drill some hol
es
in it and make a really cool ceiling fan=94. The son said I could have it
=85
The brass leading tipping and edging is perfect and there are
no crush marks around any of the bolt holes. There is absolutely no delami
nation
or cracking anywhere. It Is however=2C completely covered with what looks
like crappy
old varnish or something that was overppainted the entire prop and is disco
lored
very=2C very dark and kinda pooled up into little pools all over. This coa
ting almost
has the same texture as miniature alligator skin where the stuff has pooled
together
leaving little crevasse between them.
This coating was added by someone later as it goes right on over
the decals and the metal tipping. I did noticed it seemed to get softer in
my hot
car.
I=92d like to refinish this prop if not to use=2C at least
to display as it is truly a beaut and Ole Fahlin was a very famous old prop
maker.
I think he started in the twenties and worked until his death in the early
nineties
when he was in HIS early nineties.
I=92ve been reading up on my varnish removal options and
am really hesitant to use strippers as I don=92t want to affect the wood or
glue. I=92ve tried Hot soapy water in the hope it was some sort of preserv
ing
wax or grease and it didn=92t do anything.
My woodworking friend says start with hot soapy water=2C then
try alcohol. Someone suggested acetone. I though of MEK=2C but have no id
ea
what that=92ll do to the wood. I could also obviously sand it down. I=92d
love to protect the decals=2C but I=92m going to investigate if any can sti
ll
be found or made up.
Any suggestions are most appreciated!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: prop refinishing |
I scraped the majority of the varnish off a prop a long time ago with broken glass
from jars of the quart to half gallon sizes. Up near the threaded part they
would break with long curves the fit the prop pretty good. Kinda low tech but
works.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: prop refinishing |
Douwe, you can try denatured alcohol to soften or remove the varnish as some varnishes
and shellacs use alcohol as a primary ingredient. You could also try
some naptha, it is gentle enough that I use it to clean up old guitars with fragile
lacquer finishes without damaging them. I would not recommend the use
of MEK as it will strip everything off right down to bare wood. The MEK will
not hurt the wood, but it will certainly destroy the original finish and any decals
that are on the prop. Acetone might also be a bit harsh for what you are
trying to accomplish. Whichever solvent you use, make sure to use them outdoors
or with plenty of ventilation available, and obviously not around any possible
source of combustion.
The broken glass scrapers will also work, but I prefer a good steel cabinet scraper
as they are much safer to use than broken glass, and can be resharpened
easily by burnishing the edge with the shaft of a screwdriver or similar tool.
Just use a light touch so as not go scrape too deeply and damage the original
finish or to remove any wood.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Spring Loaded Tail Wheel |
I've searched the archives but could not find any plans or links. I'm looki
ng for plans for the Tail wheel that most of you use. The A frame design wi
th a Spring.
Can anyone help?
Jeff Wilson
N899WT (r)
St. Louis
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| Subject: | Spring Loaded Tail Wheel |
Jeff,
I am assuming that you have the tailwheel skid as part of your plans? I
think most of us are just 'winging' it from there! If you check out
www.westcoastpiet.com <http://www.westcoastpiet.com/> , you will see all
sorts of stuff. I attached a few pics.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeff wilson
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spring Loaded Tail Wheel
I've searched the archives but could not find any plans or links. I'm
looking for plans for the Tail wheel that most of you use. The A frame
design with a Spring.
Can anyone help?
Jeff Wilson
N899WT (r)
St. Louis
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| Subject: | Spring Loaded Tail Wheel |
BTW.the spring is from John Deere.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spring Loaded Tail Wheel
Jeff,
I am assuming that you have the tailwheel skid as part of your plans? I
think most of us are just 'winging' it from there! If you check out
www.westcoastpiet.com <http://www.westcoastpiet.com/> , you will see all
sorts of stuff. I attached a few pics.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeff wilson
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 12:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spring Loaded Tail Wheel
I've searched the archives but could not find any plans or links. I'm
looking for plans for the Tail wheel that most of you use. The A frame
design with a Spring.
Can anyone help?
Jeff Wilson
N899WT (r)
St. Louis
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby |
Well I decided on the Air Camper and just ordered up the plans.
I'm sure you'll be hearing from me more with lots of questions. :D
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby |
Good choice!! Welcome...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JGriff
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper vs. Fly Baby
Well I decided on the Air Camper and just ordered up the plans.
I'm sure you'll be hearing from me more with lots of questions. :D
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| Subject: | Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate some feedback |
regarding an idea...
Hi All:
Please forgive any perceived impropriety in addressing this group
commercially, but I thought it the best place to ask and receive some
marketing information.... Based on your responses, I might place an ad in
the BPA newsletter and go forward.
As some of you know, the job layoff last September began a bit of a dry
spell for me and my building project. But, with every adversity there is a
seed of greatness and opportunity. As a result of a post here this week, I
began looking at the place I have been trying to start a business, and
realized that I might be in a perfect place to help the group, and add to
our business.
I have teamed up with a local business called "The WoodShed" in Clovis CA.
My business partner is the son of the owner and proprietor. The owner, Al,
is also partners with us in California Laser Etch, having bought the machine
we use to help us get started. OK, that's the back ground on what I am
asking about.
Al has stocked Spar Grade Sitka Spruce (read that: perfectly vertical grain
Sitka Spruce), hand selected by him from his supplier, for years to help
some of the local home builders. Since it is really spar stock, I have not
bought any of it from him to build my project (no money mean no wood even if
it WASN'T spar stock)...
So, I have spoken to him and my business partner this week about making an
order for some air dried (not kiln dried), aircraft grade Sitka Spruce that
he has access to, and cutting it to size to offer Piet kits to builders at a
price significantly less than ACS or Wicks. We have ALL the tooling and
equipment necessary to cut the kits and I was thinking of offering all the
wood needed, cut and sized to the dimensions needed to begin shaping, in
various kits: Total kits, wing kits, fuse kits, tail kits.
I think someone else (Ken?) is providing the metal parts cut to shape, so
that is available, but the individual wood kits I haven't seen. Maybe they
are already produced? But our overhead is extremely low, and I think we
could price the kits very reasonably.
I have not run numbers yet, but I know the wholesale price per board foot
for the sitka, and I have a place to start.
I am not interested in doing this for multiple designs, but just for the
Piet and Piet builders. I see us as a close community, with much more
activity than any other plans built wooden planes, and would perhaps benefit
some of us.
I know ACS sells the complete kits for $1,152, and I am pretty sure we can
do them for a significant savings, but I don't have the numbers yet.
So my question is how much interest is there out the for something like this
if the individual/total kits were available if they were indeed a decent
savings? I am planning to work on the numbers in the next couple of days...
I appreciate the feedback.
--
Mark Roberts
California Laser Etch
www.california-laser.com
888-882-5015
888-882-5016 fax
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| Subject: | Re: Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate some |
feedback regarding an idea...
Mark,
I'd be interested if pricing was competitive (I'd throw a bone to an
unemployed guy who is trying to eke out an honest living before sending
money to ACS).
That said, I'd only be game for fuse and empennage kits. I already have an
RV in here and can only handle so many airplane projects :-)
BTW, I think it's Tom Kreiner who is selling the cut metal parts:
tkreiner@gmail.com.
Matt
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 8, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All:
Please forgive any perceived impropriety in addressing this group
commercially, but I thought it the best place to ask and receive some
marketing information.... Based on your responses, I might place an ad in
the BPA newsletter and go forward.
As some of you know, the job layoff last September began a bit of a dry
spell for me and my building project. But, with every adversity there is a
seed of greatness and opportunity. As a result of a post here this week, I
began looking at the place I have been trying to start a business, and
realized that I might be in a perfect place to help the group, and add to
our business.
I have teamed up with a local business called "The WoodShed" in Clovis CA.
My business partner is the son of the owner and proprietor. The owner, Al,
is also partners with us in California Laser Etch, having bought the machine
we use to help us get started. OK, that's the back ground on what I am
asking about.
Al has stocked Spar Grade Sitka Spruce (read that: perfectly vertical grain
Sitka Spruce), hand selected by him from his supplier, for years to help
some of the local home builders. Since it is really spar stock, I have not
bought any of it from him to build my project (no money mean no wood even if
it WASN'T spar stock)...
So, I have spoken to him and my business partner this week about making an
order for some air dried (not kiln dried), aircraft grade Sitka Spruce that
he has access to, and cutting it to size to offer Piet kits to builders at a
price significantly less than ACS or Wicks. We have ALL the tooling and
equipment necessary to cut the kits and I was thinking of offering all the
wood needed, cut and sized to the dimensions needed to begin shaping, in
various kits: Total kits, wing kits, fuse kits, tail kits.
I think someone else (Ken?) is providing the metal parts cut to shape, so
that is available, but the individual wood kits I haven't seen. Maybe they
are already produced? But our overhead is extremely low, and I think we
could price the kits very reasonably.
I have not run numbers yet, but I know the wholesale price per board foot
for the sitka, and I have a place to start.
I am not interested in doing this for multiple designs, but just for the
Piet and Piet builders. I see us as a close community, with much more
activity than any other plans built wooden planes, and would perhaps benefit
some of us.
I know ACS sells the complete kits for $1,152, and I am pretty sure we can
do them for a significant savings, but I don't have the numbers yet.
So my question is how much interest is there out the for something like this
if the individual/total kits were available if they were indeed a decent
savings? I am planning to work on the numbers in the next couple of days...
I appreciate the feedback.
--
Mark Roberts
California Laser Etch
<http://www.california-laser.com>www.california-laser.com
888-882-5015
888-882-5016 fax
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