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1. 12:30 AM - Re: GN-1 (TriScout)
2. 02:28 AM - Re: Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate some feedback (Kringle)
3. 02:28 AM - Re: Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate some feedback (Kringle)
4. 03:38 AM - Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (JGriff)
5. 05:14 AM - Re: Mits engine pictures (TOPGUN)
6. 05:37 AM - Re: Mits engine pictures (Pieti Lowell)
7. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: Mits engine pictures (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
8. 05:49 AM - Re: Found my Lambert Radial! (Michael Perez)
9. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
10. 06:04 AM - of possible interest-- off Pietenpol topic (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
11. 06:16 AM - Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (kevinpurtee)
12. 06:19 AM - Re: of possible interest-- off Pietenpol topic (kevinpurtee)
13. 06:20 AM - Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (JGriff)
14. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
15. 06:59 AM - Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
16. 07:14 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (Tim Willis)
17. 08:09 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (Michael Perez)
18. 08:24 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of (Jerry Dotson)
19. 09:11 AM - Single Strand of Bungee - Update (kevinpurtee)
20. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (CJ Borsuk)
21. 09:47 AM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Rick Holland)
22. 09:51 AM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Richard Schreiber)
23. 10:03 AM - Corvair motor mount (Richard Schreiber)
24. 10:13 AM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com)
25. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (John Franklin)
26. 10:36 AM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
27. 11:23 AM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Rick Holland)
28. 12:23 PM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (hvandervoo@aol.com)
29. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (JEFF WILSON)
30. 12:55 PM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (kevinpurtee)
31. 12:58 PM - Re: Corvair motor mount (kevinpurtee)
32. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Jim Markle)
33. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
34. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
35. 01:21 PM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Pietn38b@aol.com)
36. 01:27 PM - Re: Old Kingsbury Aerodrome (kevinpurtee)
37. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Old Kingsbury Aerodrome (Ryan Mueller)
38. 03:05 PM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (tkreiner)
39. 03:28 PM - Need Piet in LA for possible movie work (Baldeagle)
40. 03:53 PM - Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work (Gary Boothe)
41. 04:38 PM - Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work (Ryan Mueller)
42. 04:39 PM - Tail Skid question, need quick answer (Gene Rambo)
43. 05:28 PM - Re: Corvair motor mount (Rick Holland)
44. 05:47 PM - Re: Tail Skid question, need quick answer (Kip and Beth Gardner)
45. 06:42 PM - Re: Tail Skid question, need quick answer (Dan Yocum)
46. 06:51 PM - What's it? (Gary Boothe)
47. 06:57 PM - Re: Corvair motor mount (skellytown flyer)
48. 07:13 PM - Re: Tail Skid question, need quick answer (Dale Johnson)
49. 07:41 PM - Re: What's it? (Dan Yocum)
50. 08:41 PM - Re: What's it? (Ryan Mueller)
51. 08:51 PM - Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work (Baldeagle)
52. 08:59 PM - Re: Pietenpol//???? (jorge lizarraga)
53. 09:05 PM - Re: What's it? (Andrew M Eldredge)
54. 09:08 PM - megusto mucho to venta. (jorge lizarraga)
55. 10:28 PM - A low-wing Pietenpol! (Mike Whaley)
56. 10:32 PM - Re: Tail Skid question, need quick answer (Greg Cardinal)
57. 11:10 PM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Clif Dawson)
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Yeppert.. but, someone's got to sign her off.
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| Subject: | Re: Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate some feedback |
I would be interested in your kit as well.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate some feedback |
I would be interested in your kit as well.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: If I knew then what I know now.... |
Has anyone used a pneumatic brad nailer on the fuse and wing gussets?
Seems like there are different schools of thought on whether to remove the brads
after gluing or even use them at all.
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| Subject: | Re: Mits engine pictures |
This is my attempt at a alternative to the Model "A" I love the sound and looks
of the "A", i just wanted something with modern bearings and a good oiling system.
The engine i chose is actually an industrial engine from a forklift. it
is built very robust having a forged nitrated crank right from the factory. The
contraption out front is my anti crank snapping device.....the unit holds timken
bearing to take up all of the propeller loads and rubber isolators to separate
the torsional loads from the crank. I t also incorporates a starter ring.
The engine comes in at 265 lbs without fluids including the prop housing, and
put out 64 hp at 2400 without rebuild. Ordering a 76 x 42 prop this week. The
next phase is to mount it on the plane and ground test with the prop.
Thanks for your interest Chris Rusch
silvius(at)gwi.net wrote:
> What exactly are we looking at? more info please...
>
> what is the engine? what is the redrive? most interesting
>
> Michael in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Mits engine pictures |
If the compression ratio is 6: & 28 degree BTDC,you should turn 2000 static. Nice,
use std, wing location, unless your 130 Lbs.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Mits engine pictures |
When searching for an engine it was one I had on my list of considerations,
more so because of the max hp is achieved at thee lower rpm range and
required no redrive. All those thoughts went away when I found my Lycoming.
John
Do not archive
In a message dated 8/10/2010 8:15:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rmdinfo@lakefield.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TOPGUN" <rmdinfo@lakefield.net>
This is my attempt at a alternative to the Model "A" I love the sound and
looks of the "A", i just wanted something with modern bearings and a good
oiling system. The engine i chose is actually an industrial engine from a
forklift. it is built very robust having a forged nitrated crank right from
the factory. The contraption out front is my anti crank snapping
device.....the unit holds timken bearing to take up all of the propeller loads
and
rubber isolators to separate the torsional loads from the crank. I t also
incorporates a starter ring. The engine comes in at 265 lbs without fluids
including the prop housing, and put out 64 hp at 2400 without rebuild. Ordering
a 76 x 42 prop this week. The next phase is to mount it on the plane and
ground test with the prop.
Thanks for your interest Chris Rusch
silvius(at)gwi.net wrote:
> What exactly are we looking at? more info please...
>
> what is the engine? what is the redrive? most interesting
>
> Michael in Maine
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Found my Lambert Radial! |
Yes.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Mon, 8/9/10, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Found my Lambert Radial!
If you had $22k to spend you would spend it on something besides a 70 year
old radial engine (that comes with a Ham Std prop, no less)? There is somet
hing wrong with you... - :)
Ryan
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wr
ote:
=0AMan, as much as I would like too, (It's only money, right?) If I had $22
,000 to spend, I would spend it on other things.- 8 ^ [(=0A
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: If I knew then what I know now.... |
I did, except I used the 1/2 staples, worked great. I epoxied over them to
keep them in place rather than try pulling the out of the indention and
making a big mess out of my wood. I figured seal them in air tight so no
chance of rust and done.
Just how I did it. BTW I know neither Dan nor Bernard would not approve but
I used pins in most all my glue joints to insure the hold and glue bond. I
figured a little extra couldn't hurt but could improve the glue joint. I
did remove the ones that I could. I know its over kill
Dam I like that air staple and brad nailer. You just got to remember to
not shoot across from your holding finger, a little off the mark and well
you'll find out the hard way. the good news it only happens once!
John
In a message dated 8/10/2010 6:38:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jgriffith19@comcast.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "JGriff" <jgriffith19@comcast.net>
Has anyone used a pneumatic brad nailer on the fuse and wing gussets?
Seems like there are different schools of thought on whether to remove the
brads after gluing or even use them at all.
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| Subject: | of possible interest-- off Pietenpol topic |
Thanks for putting up with that interview with me in my hangar---totally un
expected but I fumbled thru best I could.
Here's some history on this whole deal for those of you who are not on Face
book. About 7 years ago I met a friend
thru a friend from church who is a local Cleveland tv commercial videograph
er but is a private pilot and LOVES old airplane
and aviation history.
Since Adam White (Hemlock Films) lives so close to me he was kind enough to
include my Piet in an aviation documentary
he produced called The Restorers around 2004. It aired on some PBS stat
ions and in some theaters. Now he is expanding
this idea into a series that he hopes to get aired on The History Channel,
NOVA, or PBS or such and did this little promotional
trailer (1:19 long) where I keep my airplane that was shown at some of the
theaters in Oshkosh when they aired his Redtail Reborn
film there during the convention.....which really has gone over quite well.
(The Tuskegee Airman P-51 that was fully restored
and flown again after a tragic accident)
Here's the trailer. The hostess Adam found (local personality) is a peach
and she's really going to add to the professionalism of
the story.....plus keep our attention !
1:19 long plus some other still photos of the shoot with my Piet and some o
f his shoots at the big Doolittle B-25 gathering/reunion back
in April in Dayton at the USAF Museum.
http://therestorers.com/The_Restorers/Multimedia/Multimedia.html
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| Subject: | Re: If I knew then what I know now.... |
Jamie - At your point in the process: scuff sand the plywood before you cut it
up for rib gussets. I learned that in 1993 and the sentiment gets repeated here
periodically. Don't obsess about minutia. Make decent wood joints, use a
decent glue, use adequate clamping pressure. Make several practice pieces to
get a feel for the process and then test the pieces to destruction.
Big picture: the only thing I've changed that absolutely had to be changed was
installing a steerable tailwheel vs. the caster on the stock skid. I operate
off of concrete. The rest of the things I might do differently on the next one
are strictly for convenience and haven't affected my enjoyment of the plane:
relocate wing tank filler neck closer to leading edge, use springs instead of
bungees on the main gear, put in more gas capacity than the stock tank.
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: of possible interest-- off Pietenpol topic |
Yeah, she's homely.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: If I knew then what I know now.... |
I wonder how the 23 gauge headless stainless steel pins would do. Weve used them
here at work to great success but the minimum length is 3/8 so I suspect they
would be too long for the wing gussets (I dont have the plans yet so I dont
know for sure).
[quote="Amsafetyc"]I did, except I used the 1/2 staples, worked great. I epoxied
over them to keep them in place rather than try pulling the out of the indention
and making a big mess out of my wood. I figured seal them in air tight
so no chance of rust and done.
Just how I did it. BTW I know neither Dan nor Bernard would not approve but I
used pins in most all my glue joints to insure the hold and glue bond. I figured
a little extra couldn't hurt but could improve the glue joint. I did remove
the ones that I could. I know its over kill
Dam I like that air staple and brad nailer. You just got to remember to not shoot
across from your holding finger, a little off the mark and well you'll find
out the hard way. the good news it only happens once!
John
In a message dated 8/10/2010 6:38:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgriffith19@comcast.net
writes:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "JGriff"
>
> Has anyone used a pneumatic brad nailer on the fuse and wing gussets?
> Seems like there are different schools of thought on whether to remove the
brads after gluing or even use them at all.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers |
of the blue
This morning while building my Piet on the 90 mile drive to work on the
lovely and easily driven PA turnpike. I was pondering the ideas of optimizing
the available performance offered by my beloved Piet project in the Bernard
design, with variations. During which I wondered the following even though
many have been beaten to death.
Dihedral: optimum amount performance vs asthetics?
Wings best lift and performance configuration for dirty on the bottom or on
top surface of the wing or does it matter?
Gap seal on the bottom of the wing using the lift side to hold the seal in
place or on top and secured by mechanical means.
Hinges home made or piano? Built in gap seal vs any additional Drag
Elevator hinges again piano or Piet design? necessity of gap seal at
elevators?
Tail sections joined for single horn or split as designed for dual horn?
Elevator connection for single horn vs interference with rudder operation?
We already know the obvious answer build light these are more optimizations
to get the most out of the available design without adding drag or
disrupting the airflow over the foil at a critical point.
What say you wise and sage builder, engineers, advisors and fellow lovers
of the blue?
John
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| Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers of the blue
The plane will fly better-- a little faster, better control response-- with gap
seals on all, as has been reported by many builders.
It should fly straighter and with less control inputs with dihedral.
If you bridge the separate elevators, invention, complexity, etc.
It is your plane. Let's see what others say.
Tim in central TX
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers
of the blue
This morning while building my Piet on the 90 mile drive to work on the lovely
and easily driven PA turnpike. I was pondering the ideas of optimizing the available
performance offered by my beloved Piet project in the Bernard design, with
variations. During which I wondered the following even though many have been
beaten to death.
Dihedral: optimum amount performance vs asthetics?
Wings best lift and performance configuration for dirty on the bottom or on top
surface of the wing or does it matter?
Gap seal on the bottom of the wing using the lift side to hold the seal in place
or on top and secured by mechanical means.
Hinges home made or piano? Built in gap seal vs any additional Drag
Elevator hinges again piano or Piet design? necessity of gap seal at elevators?
Tail sections joined for single horn or split as designed for dual horn?
Elevator connection for single horn vs interference with rudder operation?
We already know the obvious answer build light these are more optimizations to
get the most out of the available design without adding drag or disrupting the
airflow over the foil at a critical point.
What say you wise and sage builder, engineers, advisors and fellow lovers of the
blue?
John
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| Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers of the blue
Well, you opened the door for me John, so here goes:
Dihedral: optimum amount performance vs aesthetics?
Forget Aesthetics here! Go for performance. Slight dihedral is good in my o
pinion. I will have some on NX992WD. (Stability...good for hands off and lo
ng flights.)
Wings best lift and performance configuration for dirty on the bottom or on
=0Atop surface of the wing-or does it matter?
Don't understand question.
Gap seal on the bottom of the wing using the lift side to hold the seal in
=0Aplace or on top and secured by mechanical means.
Matters not. You just need to keep the air from flowing between the the two
structures. Again, using these is a performance gain. (I will have them in
some form.)
Hinges home made or piano? Built in gap seal vs any additional Drag.
Aluminum piano. ALL of mine hinges are these. (See my HINT videos.) Light s
trong, clean. Then gap seal as needed.
Elevator hinges again piano or Piet design? necessity of gap seal at =0Aele
vators?
Aluminum piano, use gap seal of some sort.
Tail sections joined for single horn or split as designed for dual =0Ahorn?
Split. This allows some differential adjustment if needed to trim plane in
flight.
Elevator connection for single horn vs interference with rudder =0Aoperatio
n?
Split elevators...interference problem solved.
Fellow lover of the blue and heavy Pietenpol modifier.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers of
John,
I built in 3" of dihedral (each tip 3" higher than the center on the one piece
wing). I also used full length piano hinges on all control surfaces. So I have
gap seals as well. Hope to be able to tell you how it flies next year??? I feel
the dihedral will make covering and finishing more difficult.
do not archive
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.
Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will
likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from
him.
Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.
Axel
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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My experience in building my ribs is as follows. I tried a couple of differ
ent =0Apneumatic brad/staplers and could not get the pressure light enough
to work and =0Aget the staples out. I think it is a good idea to remove the
staples. Stainless =0Abrads/pins could be an option, but you still may hav
e problems getting the brad =0Anot to penetrate too far in. That plywood is
very thin. I ended up using a $10 =0A=9CPowerShot=9D stapler f
rom Home Depot or AC Moore with =C2=BC=9D 6mm staples. $1.39 a box
=0Aand you will need about 5 boxes to do all your ribs. I remove the staple
s with a =0A$1 stapler remover from Harbor Freight. I filed the tip down to
help get under =0Athe staples. I try hard not to put a lot of pressure on
the stapler. It does not =0Atake long to remove the staples. Inexpensive an
d works very well.=0ACheck out the =9CHints for Homebuilders=9D
on the EAA website. They go over building =0Athe ribs. I also use their id
ea of mixing my T-88 in the bottom of a soda/beer =0Acan. Again a simple an
d inexpensive method that works great. I think sometimes =0Awe make this mu
ch more complicated that it really needs to be.=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A18 ribs
done and waiting on my spruce order from Wicks to continue. =C2-=0AChuck
=0ARaleigh NC=0A919.524.5398=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
Here is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list.
rick
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.
>
> Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming.
> Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything
> else from him.
>
> Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.
>
> Axel
>
> --------
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222
>
>
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| Subject: | Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
Kevin;
Could you publish a quick sketch on how you plan on doing the springs?
Rick Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/10/2010 11:14:00 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
>
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.
>
> Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are
coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen
everything else from him.
>
> Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.
>
> Axel
>
> --------
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222
>
>
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| Subject: | Corvair motor mount |
Fellow Pieters,
I am in the process of doing the motor mount for my Corvair. Those of you with
Corvair engines and the long fuselage, what were your dimensions for the distance
of the rear motor mount holes to the firewall. Did you put in any left thrust?
I weigh about 165 # and have built the long fuselage.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
Rick,
Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free
to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing,
repairing, vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a
couple of pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so,
cut them about 1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a
cup that the spring sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it
will keep the spring centered and prevent it from offsetting during
compression.
My 2 cents.
Jake
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rick
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
wrote:
kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.
Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming.
Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything
else from him.
Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.
Axel
--------
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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My co-builder, Jim Sury, showed me a neat method to glue on gussets if you don't
want to leave the staples in; rip some thin (1/16th or so) wood strips and staple
through them into the gussets. After the glue has set up you can easily
break out the thin strips and then pull the staples out with pliers. It worked
great for us.
Regards,
John F.
GN-1, Corvair engine
Richmond, TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: CJ Borsuk <cjborsuk@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 10, 2010 12:43 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now....
>
>My experience in building my ribs is as follows. I tried a couple of different
>pneumatic brad/staplers and could not get the pressure light enough to work and
>get the staples out. I think it is a good idea to remove the staples. Stainless
>brads/pins could be an option, but you still may have problems getting the brad
>not to penetrate too far in. That plywood is very thin. I ended up using a $10
>PowerShot stapler from Home Depot or AC Moore with 6mm staples. $1.39 a box
>and you will need about 5 boxes to do all your ribs. I remove the staples with
a
>$1 stapler remover from Harbor Freight. I filed the tip down to help get under
>the staples. I try hard not to put a lot of pressure on the stapler. It does not
>take long to remove the staples. Inexpensive and works very well.
>Check out the Hints for Homebuilders on the EAA website. They go over building
>the ribs. I also use their idea of mixing my T-88 in the bottom of a soda/beer
>can. Again a simple and inexpensive method that works great. I think sometimes
>we make this much more complicated that it really needs to be.
>
>
>18 ribs done and waiting on my spruce order from Wicks to continue.
>Chuck
>Raleigh NC
>919.524.5398
>
>
>________________________________
>
>
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I would like to see that too, I am considering using compression springs on
a traveling post of sorts. Unfortunately I have not gotten it all figured
out yet but still looking for great design options. Hans has a great
looking build I saw it when I was too new to the process and had no idea what
I
needed to look at. Fortunately I'll back in the Houston area in the next few
months and may be able to sneak out another visit for the sole and
shameless purpose of stealing great ideas.
Thanks
John
In a message dated 8/10/2010 12:51:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lmforge@earthlink.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Schreiber"
<lmforge@earthlink.net>
Kevin;
Could you publish a quick sketch on how you plan on doing the springs?
Rick Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/10/2010 11:14:00 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
>
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.
>
> Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are
coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen
everything else from him.
>
> Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.
>
> Axel
>
> --------
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222
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Probably a good idea Jake, however I have seen so many of these (on
certified and exp) without them that I figured they weren't needed.
rick
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>
> Rick,
>
> Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free
> to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairing,
> vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of
> pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them about
> 1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the spring
> sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it will keep the spring
> centered and prevent it from offsetting during compression.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> Jake
>
>
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> rick
>
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> We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.
>
> Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming.
> Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything
> else from him.
>
> Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.
>
> Axel
>
> --------
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Guys.
My version can be found at www.mykitplane.com see the file section or foll
ow the link.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=75
If you use the recommended spring (as in use on my Aircamper ) the spring
inner diameter is slightly larger than the tube it slides over.
No need for tubing on the washer OD
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, Texas
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Probably a good idea Jake, however I have seen so many of these (on certif
ied and exp) without them that I figured they weren't needed.
rick
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:12 AM, <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>
wrote:
Rick,
Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free
to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairin
g, vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of
pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them ab
out 1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the
spring sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it will keep th
e spring centered and prevent it from offsetting during compression.
My 2 cents.
Jake
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Here is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list.
rick
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We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.
Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming.
Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything
else from him.
Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.
Axel
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No way I'm removing brads. Just seal em up good with polyurethane. I did use an
18 gauge air brad nailer. Just be sure get good quality brads. Stay away from
Harbor 'Chinese' Freight.
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| Subject: | Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
Thanks, Rick Holland. Your work is really nice!
Hi Rick Schreiber - I'm building per Hans' drawing and he's given you the link.
I ain't too proud to steal. Hans' design works for me because it's a direct
replacement for the bungee setup.
John - Let me know when you're going to visit Hans. My hangar to his is a nice
flight and I haven't seen him in a while. Alternatively, you're welcome in Austin
if you've got the time and energy to drive the couple of extra hours. I'd
have tools waiting.
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
I'll measure it for you tomorrow night when I go to the hangar. I did extend the
mount about an inch as I recall.
No left thrust. Accordingly: lots of left peddle.
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
>John - Let me know when you're going to visit Hans. My hangar to his is a nice
flight and I haven't seen him in a while. Alternatively, you're welcome in
Austin if you've got the time and energy to drive the couple of extra hours.
I'd have tools waiting.
hahahahaha, Yeah, have your tools ready...John will want to "look" them over....keep
an eye on HIM....now when I stop by... :-)
I'm in Houston next Monday and Tuesday...hoping Hans will be around one of those
evenings for a visit so I can drive up.
jm
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I am thinking September, would prefer October more about work schedule than
anything else. Drill bits strategically located like mints near the
register? I hope! I'll keep ya'll posted. Thanks, there's nothing like stealing
ideas and accepting honor gifts of gratitude and the consumption of the
beverage. Hans has a nice shop, neat clean and orderly, so easy to locate the
perfect tool, nothing says love like a cordless drill, cutting torch, TIG
torch or so many other appropriate gifts of suitable notoriety. Hands full
of nicopress sleeves gosh my hearts a pitter patter with the
possibilities.
How I do so look forward to the fleecing of the host ritual
and Please do not archive
Less Yawanna
In a message dated 8/10/2010 3:55:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kevin.purtee@us.army.mil writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee"
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Thanks, Rick Holland. Your work is really nice!
Hi Rick Schreiber - I'm building per Hans' drawing and he's given you the
link. I ain't too proud to steal. Hans' design works for me because it's
a direct replacement for the bungee setup.
John - Let me know when you're going to visit Hans. My hangar to his is a
nice flight and I haven't seen him in a while. Alternatively, you're
welcome in Austin if you've got the time and energy to drive the couple of
extra hours. I'd have tools waiting.
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
Only one thing worse than Markle driving up? that's Markle driving away
with, well I suggest you take careful inventory before he gets in his car and
drives away,. Take careful note of the tires and shocks. He has'nt quite
figured out how mush air pressure is needed in the tires while under a
heavily loaded trunk.
We got a saying in these parts, When Markle drives away, drag ass, you
better shag ass after him! Lord only knows what he's haulin ass with?
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In a message dated 8/10/2010 4:09:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jim_markle@mindspring.com writes:
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>John - Let me know when you're going to visit Hans. My hangar to his is
a nice flight and I haven't seen him in a while. Alternatively, you're
welcome in Austin if you've got the time and energy to drive the couple of
extra hours. I'd have tools waiting.
hahahahaha, Yeah, have your tools ready...John will want to "look" them
over....keep an eye on HIM....now when I stop by... :-)
I'm in Houston next Monday and Tuesday...hoping Hans will be around one of
those evenings for a visit so I can drive up.
jm
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| Subject: | Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
Actually the tubes going through the springs keep them centered very well.
I made my units from the same drawings in 1995 and after many many
take-offs and landings I haven't broken them yet.
Jim
Pietenpol N38B
In a message dated 8/10/2010 12:14:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com writes:
Rick,
Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free
to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairing,
vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of
pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them about
1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the spring
sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it will keep the spring
centered and prevent it from offsetting during compression.
My 2 cents.
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Here is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list.
rick
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We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.
Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming.
Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything
else from him.
Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.
Axel
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Meant to reply to this earlier, Oscar. Like Reklaw, I'll miss this one due to
school. (I hate the Army...)
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Ah yes...the big green weenie is universal. That part I do not miss....
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On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 3:27 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
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> Meant to reply to this earlier, Oscar. Like Reklaw, I'll miss this one due
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| Subject: | Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
Kevin, et al:
Please let me know when ya'll are going to visit Hans, as he's only about 20 mi.
from me, and I'd like to see his project as well. (I never knew there was a
Piet builder so close to KDWH!)
Also, can't wait to meet he whose reputation precedes him...
Just give me a days notice or so, and I'll be there. Feel free to contact me at
832-326-2970.
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| Subject: | Need Piet in LA for possible movie work |
Anybody in So. California got a Piet with open spoked wheels that they would be
willing to rent out for movie work? I would be the pilot, not sure yet what
the script requires.
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| Subject: | Need Piet in LA for possible movie work |
...heard it was "close air work with a Fokker DR-1."
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
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Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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| Subject: | Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work |
It begs the question: if I were to let my Piet be used, why wouldn't I be
the one flying it?
(Purely out of curiosity, as our Piet is not flying to CA from IL for movie
work :P )
Ryan
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> yet what the script requires.
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| Subject: | Tail Skid question, need quick answer |
I need a quick answer. To those of you with tailskids and no brakes=2C do
most people install the 1/4" skeg on the bottom of the skid per the plans
or leave it off?? I believe some with the low pressure tires leave it off
=2C but those wheels do not roll as much as big wire wheels=2C so I guess m
y answer might depend on which wheels you have. Who else has big wheels an
d tailskid=2C Pavliga?? Who else???
Gene Rambo
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
Mine ended up 12 3/4" from firewall to center of rear engine mount bolt.
Long fuse. No offset angle.
rick
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Richard Schreiber
<lmforge@earthlink.net>wrote:
> Fellow Pieters,
>
> I am in the process of doing the motor mount for my Corvair. Those of you
> with Corvair engines and the long fuselage, what were your dimensions for
> the distance of the rear motor mount holes to the firewall. Did you put in
> any left thrust?
>
> I weigh about 165 # and have built the long fuselage.
>
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Skid question, need quick answer |
Hey Gene,
If memory serves me right, I think Frank left the skeg off. His skid
is also pretty wide - not sure if more than the plans, but it looks
wide. Easier to 'float' on the grass, I guess.
Kip Gardner
On Aug 10, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
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> I need a quick answer. To those of you with tailskids and no
> brakes, do most people install the 1/4" skeg on the bottom of the
> skid per the plans or leave it off?? I believe some with the low
> pressure tires leave it off, but those wheels do not roll as much
> as big wire wheels, so I guess my answer might depend on which
> wheels you have. Who else has big wheels and tailskid, Pavliga??
> Who else???
>
> Gene Rambo
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Skid question, need quick answer |
I think Helsper left his off. Not sure what
Greg C. did. What do the the photos on www.westcoastpiet.com say?
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> Hey Gene,
>
> If memory serves me right, I think Frank left the skeg off. His skid is a
lso pretty wide - not sure if more than the plans, but it looks wide. Easie
r to 'float' on the grass, I guess.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Aug 10, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
>
>>
>> I need a quick answer. To those of you with tailskids and no brakes, do
most people install the 1/4" skeg on the bottom of the skid per the plans o
r leave it off?? I believe some with the low pressure tires leave it off, b
ut those wheels do not roll as much as big wire wheels, so I guess my answer
might depend on which wheels you have. Who else has big wheels and tailski
d, Pavliga?? Who else???
>>
>> Gene Rambo
>>
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OK, gang...just for fun (I'm not insensitive to the pilot's pain, but, heck,
maybe a truck backed into it...). My daughter snapped this on her way home
from work...
I'm saying, "Stinson."
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:39 PM
Subject: IMG00094-20100810-1737.jpg
Someone's project.
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
not sure if it will do you any good since mine is a GN-1 but it is 14" to the rear
bolt.-tail actually ended up a little bit light. Raymond
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| Subject: | Tail Skid question, need quick answer |
We did not install the skeg. to hard to turn and tears up the grass.
Dale & Greg
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From: Gene Rambo
Sent: 8/10/2010 6:42:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Skid question, need quick answer
I need a quick answer. To those of you with tailskids and no brakes, do most
people install the 1/4" skeg on the bottom of the skid per the plans or leave
it off?? I believe some with the low pressure tires leave it off, but those wheels
do not roll as much as big wire wheels, so I guess my answer might depend
on which wheels you have. Who else has big wheels and tailskid, Pavliga??
Who else???
Gene Rambo
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I'm voting for Stinson 108-3.
Dan
On 08/10/2010 08:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> OK, gang...just for fun (I'm not insensitive to the pilot's pain, but, heck,
> maybe a truck backed into it...). My daughter snapped this on her way home
> from work...
>
> I'm saying, "Stinson."
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lreinthaler@nationalwood.com [mailto:lreinthaler@nationalwood.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:39 PM
> To: Boothe, Gary
> Subject: IMG00094-20100810-1737.jpg
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> Someone's project.
> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
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Agreed. You can see the beginnings of that "whale-tail" on the rear... :P
Ryan
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On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
> I'm voting for Stinson 108-3.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 08/10/2010 08:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
>> OK, gang...just for fun (I'm not insensitive to the pilot's pain, but,
>> heck,
>> maybe a truck backed into it...). My daughter snapped this on her way home
>> from work...
>>
>> I'm saying, "Stinson."
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>> Cool, CA
>> Pietenpol
>> WW Corvair Conversion
>> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>> 20 ribs done
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lreinthaler@nationalwood.com [mailto:lreinthaler@nationalwood.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:39 PM
>> To: Boothe, Gary
>> Subject: IMG00094-20100810-1737.jpg
>>
>> Someone's project.
>> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
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> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work |
How much movie flying experience do you have, and are you eligible to join SAG?
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308325#308325
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol//???? |
looks a piper tree pacer to my or cesna som
--- On Tue, 8/10/10, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What's it?
OK, gang...just for fun (I'm not insensitive to the pilot's pain, but, heck,
maybe a truck backed into it...). My daughter snapped this on her way home
from work...
I'm saying, "Stinson."
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: lreinthaler@nationalwood.com [mailto:lreinthaler@nationalwood.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:39 PM
Subject: IMG00094-20100810-1737.jpg
Someone's project.
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
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I remember stripping paint from the same shaped panels under the horizontal
tail, yep, 108...
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed. You can see the beginnings of that "whale-tail" on the rear... :P
>
> Ryan
>
> do not archive
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm voting for Stinson 108-3.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> On 08/10/2010 08:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>>
>>> OK, gang...just for fun (I'm not insensitive to the pilot's pain, but,
>>> heck,
>>> maybe a truck backed into it...). My daughter snapped this on her way
>>> home
>>> from work...
>>>
>>> I'm saying, "Stinson."
>>>
>>> Gary Boothe
>>> Cool, CA
>>> Pietenpol
>>> WW Corvair Conversion
>>> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>>> 20 ribs done
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: lreinthaler@nationalwood.com [mailto:lreinthaler@nationalwood.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:39 PM
>>> To: Boothe, Gary
>>> Subject: IMG00094-20100810-1737.jpg
>>>
>>> Someone's project.
>>> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | megusto mucho to venta. |
hey mark if you cut these spart in the dimention tallyou befort for 3 pices
wing how mouch is cost total amont ready for pot in ribs i like to now may
be I foun some were afw hundreds. tanks jorge from hanford
--- On Mon, 8/9/10, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate so
me feedback regarding an idea...
Hey Don!
Thanks for the feedback. I just returned tonight from a boat builder that c
alled the shop today, quite unexpectedly, an told us he wants to retire and
sell all the rest of his wood stock. Unfortunately, the Sitka he has on ha
nd is only 3/4" thick, and 6 foot long (but there is a fair amount of it, a
nd it will make GREAT rib stock!).
All we have on hand now is the spar stuff (Tight grain and absolutely verti
cal... Looks like notebook paper with the lines too close to write in :o)
ACS is a great company and I am not sure we are able to move on anything ot
her than spars right now, but stay tuned! We have decided to get more of th
e stuff from our suppliers. We are moving only in the Piet world, and not l
ooking at being all things to all builders. :o)- I will most likely give
you a call to chat tomorrow if you are around :o)
Mark
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Don Rucker <donrucker.ctg@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark,
It is my intention to order our remaining wood this week. My son and I chos
e to build the ribs first. With those behind us we are ready for the rest o
f the wood. I have been pleased with ASC but would like to benefit another
builder if the wood is of high quality and priced fairly.
If you are interested and don't mind moving quickly I would like to hear mo
re. Please call or email me to discuss.
Good luck,
Don (318) 207-0775 or donrucker.ctg@gmail.com
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| Subject: | A low-wing Pietenpol! |
Hi yall,
I ran across this little article this evening while looking for something
else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry
about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too.
-Mike
Mike Whaley
MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Skid question, need quick answer |
Dale and I have large wheels and a skid on NX18235. The skeg was left
off for reasons Dale has mentioned.
We did attach a piece of 3/8" tungsten carbide rod laterally across the
trailing edge of the skid for wear protection.
Carbide cutting inserts had been attached and worked great. No wear in
two seasons. They did, however, tear up hard surfaces as I taxied.
The plane is adequately manuverable on the ground. Taxiing downwind can
be troublesome in winds greater than 10 mph.
It is a pussycat on landing, no skeg required.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Skid question, need quick answer
I need a quick answer. To those of you with tailskids and no brakes,
do most people install the 1/4" skeg on the bottom of the skid per the
plans or leave it off?? I believe some with the low pressure tires
leave it off, but those wheels do not roll as much as big wire wheels,
so I guess my answer might depend on which wheels you have. Who else
has big wheels and tailskid, Pavliga?? Who else???
Gene Rambo
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
Here's the data from the historical search base of Transport
Canada;
http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/history.asp
> Hi yall,
>
> I ran across this little article this evening while looking for something
> else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry
> about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too.
>
> -Mike
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