---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/10/10: 57 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:30 AM - Re: GN-1 (TriScout) 2. 02:28 AM - Re: Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate some feedback (Kringle) 3. 02:28 AM - Re: Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate some feedback (Kringle) 4. 03:38 AM - Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (JGriff) 5. 05:14 AM - Re: Mits engine pictures (TOPGUN) 6. 05:37 AM - Re: Mits engine pictures (Pieti Lowell) 7. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: Mits engine pictures (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 8. 05:49 AM - Re: Found my Lambert Radial! (Michael Perez) 9. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 10. 06:04 AM - of possible interest-- off Pietenpol topic (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 11. 06:16 AM - Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (kevinpurtee) 12. 06:19 AM - Re: of possible interest-- off Pietenpol topic (kevinpurtee) 13. 06:20 AM - Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (JGriff) 14. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 15. 06:59 AM - Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 16. 07:14 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (Tim Willis) 17. 08:09 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (Michael Perez) 18. 08:24 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of (Jerry Dotson) 19. 09:11 AM - Single Strand of Bungee - Update (kevinpurtee) 20. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (CJ Borsuk) 21. 09:47 AM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Rick Holland) 22. 09:51 AM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Richard Schreiber) 23. 10:03 AM - Corvair motor mount (Richard Schreiber) 24. 10:13 AM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com) 25. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (John Franklin) 26. 10:36 AM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 27. 11:23 AM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Rick Holland) 28. 12:23 PM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (hvandervoo@aol.com) 29. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (JEFF WILSON) 30. 12:55 PM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (kevinpurtee) 31. 12:58 PM - Re: Corvair motor mount (kevinpurtee) 32. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Jim Markle) 33. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 34. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 35. 01:21 PM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Pietn38b@aol.com) 36. 01:27 PM - Re: Old Kingsbury Aerodrome (kevinpurtee) 37. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Old Kingsbury Aerodrome (Ryan Mueller) 38. 03:05 PM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (tkreiner) 39. 03:28 PM - Need Piet in LA for possible movie work (Baldeagle) 40. 03:53 PM - Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work (Gary Boothe) 41. 04:38 PM - Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work (Ryan Mueller) 42. 04:39 PM - Tail Skid question, need quick answer (Gene Rambo) 43. 05:28 PM - Re: Corvair motor mount (Rick Holland) 44. 05:47 PM - Re: Tail Skid question, need quick answer (Kip and Beth Gardner) 45. 06:42 PM - Re: Tail Skid question, need quick answer (Dan Yocum) 46. 06:51 PM - What's it? (Gary Boothe) 47. 06:57 PM - Re: Corvair motor mount (skellytown flyer) 48. 07:13 PM - Re: Tail Skid question, need quick answer (Dale Johnson) 49. 07:41 PM - Re: What's it? (Dan Yocum) 50. 08:41 PM - Re: What's it? (Ryan Mueller) 51. 08:51 PM - Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work (Baldeagle) 52. 08:59 PM - Re: Pietenpol//???? (jorge lizarraga) 53. 09:05 PM - Re: What's it? (Andrew M Eldredge) 54. 09:08 PM - megusto mucho to venta. (jorge lizarraga) 55. 10:28 PM - A low-wing Pietenpol! (Mike Whaley) 56. 10:32 PM - Re: Tail Skid question, need quick answer (Greg Cardinal) 57. 11:10 PM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 From: "TriScout" Yeppert.. but, someone's got to sign her off. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308166#308166 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate some feedback From: "Kringle" I would be interested in your kit as well. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308168#308168 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate some feedback From: "Kringle" I would be interested in your kit as well. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308169#308169 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... From: "JGriff" Has anyone used a pneumatic brad nailer on the fuse and wing gussets? Seems like there are different schools of thought on whether to remove the brads after gluing or even use them at all. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308171#308171 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mits engine pictures From: "TOPGUN" This is my attempt at a alternative to the Model "A" I love the sound and looks of the "A", i just wanted something with modern bearings and a good oiling system. The engine i chose is actually an industrial engine from a forklift. it is built very robust having a forged nitrated crank right from the factory. The contraption out front is my anti crank snapping device.....the unit holds timken bearing to take up all of the propeller loads and rubber isolators to separate the torsional loads from the crank. I t also incorporates a starter ring. The engine comes in at 265 lbs without fluids including the prop housing, and put out 64 hp at 2400 without rebuild. Ordering a 76 x 42 prop this week. The next phase is to mount it on the plane and ground test with the prop. Thanks for your interest Chris Rusch silvius(at)gwi.net wrote: > What exactly are we looking at? more info please... > > what is the engine? what is the redrive? most interesting > > Michael in Maine > > > > --- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308173#308173 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mits engine pictures From: "Pieti Lowell" If the compression ratio is 6: & 28 degree BTDC,you should turn 2000 static. Nice, use std, wing location, unless your 130 Lbs. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308174#308174 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:14 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mits engine pictures When searching for an engine it was one I had on my list of considerations, more so because of the max hp is achieved at thee lower rpm range and required no redrive. All those thoughts went away when I found my Lycoming. John Do not archive In a message dated 8/10/2010 8:15:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rmdinfo@lakefield.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TOPGUN" This is my attempt at a alternative to the Model "A" I love the sound and looks of the "A", i just wanted something with modern bearings and a good oiling system. The engine i chose is actually an industrial engine from a forklift. it is built very robust having a forged nitrated crank right from the factory. The contraption out front is my anti crank snapping device.....the unit holds timken bearing to take up all of the propeller loads and rubber isolators to separate the torsional loads from the crank. I t also incorporates a starter ring. The engine comes in at 265 lbs without fluids including the prop housing, and put out 64 hp at 2400 without rebuild. Ordering a 76 x 42 prop this week. The next phase is to mount it on the plane and ground test with the prop. Thanks for your interest Chris Rusch silvius(at)gwi.net wrote: > What exactly are we looking at? more info please... > > what is the engine? what is the redrive? most interesting > > Michael in Maine > > > > --- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308173#308173 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:16 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Found my Lambert Radial! Yes. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com --- On Mon, 8/9/10, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Found my Lambert Radial! If you had $22k to spend you would spend it on something besides a 70 year old radial engine (that comes with a Ham Std prop, no less)? There is somet hing wrong with you... - :) Ryan =0Ado not archive On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Michael Perez wr ote: =0AMan, as much as I would like too, (It's only money, right?) If I had $22 ,000 to spend, I would spend it on other things.- 8 ^ [(=0A Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com =0A " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:24 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... I did, except I used the 1/2 staples, worked great. I epoxied over them to keep them in place rather than try pulling the out of the indention and making a big mess out of my wood. I figured seal them in air tight so no chance of rust and done. Just how I did it. BTW I know neither Dan nor Bernard would not approve but I used pins in most all my glue joints to insure the hold and glue bond. I figured a little extra couldn't hurt but could improve the glue joint. I did remove the ones that I could. I know its over kill Dam I like that air staple and brad nailer. You just got to remember to not shoot across from your holding finger, a little off the mark and well you'll find out the hard way. the good news it only happens once! John In a message dated 8/10/2010 6:38:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgriffith19@comcast.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "JGriff" Has anyone used a pneumatic brad nailer on the fuse and wing gussets? Seems like there are different schools of thought on whether to remove the brads after gluing or even use them at all. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308171#308171 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:47 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: of possible interest-- off Pietenpol topic Thanks for putting up with that interview with me in my hangar---totally un expected but I fumbled thru best I could. Here's some history on this whole deal for those of you who are not on Face book. About 7 years ago I met a friend thru a friend from church who is a local Cleveland tv commercial videograph er but is a private pilot and LOVES old airplane and aviation history. Since Adam White (Hemlock Films) lives so close to me he was kind enough to include my Piet in an aviation documentary he produced called The Restorers around 2004. It aired on some PBS stat ions and in some theaters. Now he is expanding this idea into a series that he hopes to get aired on The History Channel, NOVA, or PBS or such and did this little promotional trailer (1:19 long) where I keep my airplane that was shown at some of the theaters in Oshkosh when they aired his Redtail Reborn film there during the convention.....which really has gone over quite well. (The Tuskegee Airman P-51 that was fully restored and flown again after a tragic accident) Here's the trailer. The hostess Adam found (local personality) is a peach and she's really going to add to the professionalism of the story.....plus keep our attention ! 1:19 long plus some other still photos of the shoot with my Piet and some o f his shoots at the big Doolittle B-25 gathering/reunion back in April in Dayton at the USAF Museum. http://therestorers.com/The_Restorers/Multimedia/Multimedia.html ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... From: "kevinpurtee" Jamie - At your point in the process: scuff sand the plywood before you cut it up for rib gussets. I learned that in 1993 and the sentiment gets repeated here periodically. Don't obsess about minutia. Make decent wood joints, use a decent glue, use adequate clamping pressure. Make several practice pieces to get a feel for the process and then test the pieces to destruction. Big picture: the only thing I've changed that absolutely had to be changed was installing a steerable tailwheel vs. the caster on the stock skid. I operate off of concrete. The rest of the things I might do differently on the next one are strictly for convenience and haven't affected my enjoyment of the plane: relocate wing tank filler neck closer to leading edge, use springs instead of bungees on the main gear, put in more gas capacity than the stock tank. -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308185#308185 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: of possible interest-- off Pietenpol topic From: "kevinpurtee" Yeah, she's homely. do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308186#308186 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... From: "JGriff" I wonder how the 23 gauge headless stainless steel pins would do. Weve used them here at work to great success but the minimum length is 3/8 so I suspect they would be too long for the wing gussets (I dont have the plans yet so I dont know for sure). [quote="Amsafetyc"]I did, except I used the 1/2 staples, worked great. I epoxied over them to keep them in place rather than try pulling the out of the indention and making a big mess out of my wood. I figured seal them in air tight so no chance of rust and done. Just how I did it. BTW I know neither Dan nor Bernard would not approve but I used pins in most all my glue joints to insure the hold and glue bond. I figured a little extra couldn't hurt but could improve the glue joint. I did remove the ones that I could. I know its over kill Dam I like that air staple and brad nailer. You just got to remember to not shoot across from your holding finger, a little off the mark and well you'll find out the hard way. the good news it only happens once! John In a message dated 8/10/2010 6:38:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgriffith19@comcast.net writes: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "JGriff" > > Has anyone used a pneumatic brad nailer on the fuse and wing gussets? > Seems like there are different schools of thought on whether to remove the brads after gluing or even use them at all. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308171#308171============================================== > > > > > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308187#308187 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:31 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... 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I was pondering the ideas of optimizing the available performance offered by my beloved Piet project in the Bernard design, with variations. During which I wondered the following even though many have been beaten to death. Dihedral: optimum amount performance vs asthetics? Wings best lift and performance configuration for dirty on the bottom or on top surface of the wing or does it matter? Gap seal on the bottom of the wing using the lift side to hold the seal in place or on top and secured by mechanical means. Hinges home made or piano? Built in gap seal vs any additional Drag Elevator hinges again piano or Piet design? necessity of gap seal at elevators? Tail sections joined for single horn or split as designed for dual horn? Elevator connection for single horn vs interference with rudder operation? We already know the obvious answer build light these are more optimizations to get the most out of the available design without adding drag or disrupting the airflow over the foil at a critical point. What say you wise and sage builder, engineers, advisors and fellow lovers of the blue? John ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:22 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue The plane will fly better-- a little faster, better control response-- with gap seals on all, as has been reported by many builders. It should fly straighter and with less control inputs with dihedral. If you bridge the separate elevators, invention, complexity, etc. It is your plane. Let's see what others say. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Aug 10, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue This morning while building my Piet on the 90 mile drive to work on the lovely and easily driven PA turnpike. I was pondering the ideas of optimizing the available performance offered by my beloved Piet project in the Bernard design, with variations. During which I wondered the following even though many have been beaten to death. Dihedral: optimum amount performance vs asthetics? Wings best lift and performance configuration for dirty on the bottom or on top surface of the wing or does it matter? Gap seal on the bottom of the wing using the lift side to hold the seal in place or on top and secured by mechanical means. Hinges home made or piano? Built in gap seal vs any additional Drag Elevator hinges again piano or Piet design? necessity of gap seal at elevators? Tail sections joined for single horn or split as designed for dual horn? Elevator connection for single horn vs interference with rudder operation? We already know the obvious answer build light these are more optimizations to get the most out of the available design without adding drag or disrupting the airflow over the foil at a critical point. What say you wise and sage builder, engineers, advisors and fellow lovers of the blue? John ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:17 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue Well, you opened the door for me John, so here goes: Dihedral: optimum amount performance vs aesthetics? Forget Aesthetics here! Go for performance. Slight dihedral is good in my o pinion. I will have some on NX992WD. (Stability...good for hands off and lo ng flights.) Wings best lift and performance configuration for dirty on the bottom or on =0Atop surface of the wing-or does it matter? Don't understand question. Gap seal on the bottom of the wing using the lift side to hold the seal in =0Aplace or on top and secured by mechanical means. Matters not. You just need to keep the air from flowing between the the two structures. Again, using these is a performance gain. (I will have them in some form.) Hinges home made or piano? Built in gap seal vs any additional Drag. Aluminum piano. ALL of mine hinges are these. (See my HINT videos.) Light s trong, clean. Then gap seal as needed. Elevator hinges again piano or Piet design? necessity of gap seal at =0Aele vators? Aluminum piano, use gap seal of some sort. Tail sections joined for single horn or split as designed for dual =0Ahorn? Split. This allows some differential adjustment if needed to trim plane in flight. Elevator connection for single horn vs interference with rudder =0Aoperatio n? Split elevators...interference problem solved. Fellow lover of the blue and heavy Pietenpol modifier. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of From: "Jerry Dotson" John, I built in 3" of dihedral (each tip 3" higher than the center on the one piece wing). I also used full length piano hinges on all control surfaces. So I have gap seals as well. Hope to be able to tell you how it flies next year??? I feel the dihedral will make covering and finishing more difficult. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308212#308212 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update From: "kevinpurtee" We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from him. Should be about 1.5 weekends of work. Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:16 AM PST US From: CJ Borsuk Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... My experience in building my ribs is as follows. I tried a couple of differ ent =0Apneumatic brad/staplers and could not get the pressure light enough to work and =0Aget the staples out. I think it is a good idea to remove the staples. Stainless =0Abrads/pins could be an option, but you still may hav e problems getting the brad =0Anot to penetrate too far in. That plywood is very thin. I ended up using a $10 =0A=9CPowerShot=9D stapler f rom Home Depot or AC Moore with =C2=BC=9D 6mm staples. $1.39 a box =0Aand you will need about 5 boxes to do all your ribs. I remove the staple s with a =0A$1 stapler remover from Harbor Freight. I filed the tip down to help get under =0Athe staples. I try hard not to put a lot of pressure on the stapler. It does not =0Atake long to remove the staples. Inexpensive an d works very well.=0ACheck out the =9CHints for Homebuilders=9D on the EAA website. They go over building =0Athe ribs. I also use their id ea of mixing my T-88 in the bottom of a soda/beer =0Acan. Again a simple an d inexpensive method that works great. I think sometimes =0Awe make this mu ch more complicated that it really needs to be.=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A18 ribs done and waiting on my spruce order from Wicks to continue. =C2-=0AChuck =0ARaleigh NC=0A919.524.5398=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update From: Rick Holland Here is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list. rick On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. > > Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. > Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything > else from him. > > Should be about 1.5 weekends of work. > > Axel > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:15 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update Kevin; Could you publish a quick sketch on how you plan on doing the springs? Rick Schreiber > [Original Message] > From: kevinpurtee > To: > Date: 8/10/2010 11:14:00 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update > > > We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. > > Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from him. > > Should be about 1.5 weekends of work. > > Axel > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:36 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair motor mount Fellow Pieters, I am in the process of doing the motor mount for my Corvair. Those of you with Corvair engines and the long fuselage, what were your dimensions for the distance of the rear motor mount holes to the firewall. Did you put in any left thrust? I weigh about 165 # and have built the long fuselage. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update From: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com Rick, Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairing, vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them about 1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the spring sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it will keep the spring centered and prevent it from offsetting during compression. My 2 cents. Jake Jake Spiegel | Schneider Electric | Information, Process & Organization (IPO) | Information Systems Analyst - Analyst Engineering Information Systems Phone: +319 369-6261 | Fax: +319 369-6657 | Mobile:+319-269-5813 Email: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com | Site: www.schneider-electric.com | Address: 3700 6th St. SW, Cedar Rapids, IA 52338 USA *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail Rick Holland Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 08/10/2010 11:46 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com To pietenpol-list@matronics.com cc Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update Here is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list. rick On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from him. Should be about 1.5 weekends of work. Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:23 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... My co-builder, Jim Sury, showed me a neat method to glue on gussets if you don't want to leave the staples in; rip some thin (1/16th or so) wood strips and staple through them into the gussets. After the glue has set up you can easily break out the thin strips and then pull the staples out with pliers. It worked great for us. Regards, John F. GN-1, Corvair engine Richmond, TX -----Original Message----- >From: CJ Borsuk >Sent: Aug 10, 2010 12:43 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... > >My experience in building my ribs is as follows. I tried a couple of different >pneumatic brad/staplers and could not get the pressure light enough to work and >get the staples out. I think it is a good idea to remove the staples. Stainless >brads/pins could be an option, but you still may have problems getting the brad >not to penetrate too far in. That plywood is very thin. I ended up using a $10 >PowerShot stapler from Home Depot or AC Moore with 6mm staples. $1.39 a box >and you will need about 5 boxes to do all your ribs. I remove the staples with a >$1 stapler remover from Harbor Freight. I filed the tip down to help get under >the staples. I try hard not to put a lot of pressure on the stapler. It does not >take long to remove the staples. Inexpensive and works very well. >Check out the Hints for Homebuilders on the EAA website. They go over building >the ribs. I also use their idea of mixing my T-88 in the bottom of a soda/beer >can. Again a simple and inexpensive method that works great. I think sometimes >we make this much more complicated that it really needs to be. > > >18 ribs done and waiting on my spruce order from Wicks to continue. >Chuck >Raleigh NC >919.524.5398 > > >________________________________ > > ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:23 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update I would like to see that too, I am considering using compression springs on a traveling post of sorts. Unfortunately I have not gotten it all figured out yet but still looking for great design options. Hans has a great looking build I saw it when I was too new to the process and had no idea what I needed to look at. Fortunately I'll back in the Houston area in the next few months and may be able to sneak out another visit for the sole and shameless purpose of stealing great ideas. Thanks John In a message dated 8/10/2010 12:51:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lmforge@earthlink.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Schreiber" Kevin; Could you publish a quick sketch on how you plan on doing the springs? Rick Schreiber > [Original Message] > From: kevinpurtee > To: > Date: 8/10/2010 11:14:00 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update > > > We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. > > Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from him. > > Should be about 1.5 weekends of work. > > Axel > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222 > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update From: Rick Holland Probably a good idea Jake, however I have seen so many of these (on certified and exp) without them that I figured they weren't needed. rick On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:12 AM, wrote: > > Rick, > > Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free > to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairing, > vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of > pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them about > 1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the spring > sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it will keep the spring > centered and prevent it from offsetting during compression. > > My 2 cents. > > Jake > > > * > Jake Spiegel* | * Schneider Electric ** | Information, Process & > Organization (IPO)* | *Information Systems Analyst - Analyst > Engineering Information Systems* * > Phone:* +319 369-6261 | *Fax:* +319 369-6657 | *Mobile:*+319-269-5813 > * > Email:* *jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com* | > *Site:** www.schneider-electric.com* | > *Address:* 3700 6th St. SW, Cedar Rapids, IA 52338 USA > > *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > > > *Rick Holland * > Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > 08/10/2010 11:46 AM > Please respond to > pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > To > pietenpol-list@matronics.com > cc > Subject > Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update > > > Here is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list. > > rick > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee <*kevin.purtee@us.army.mil*> > wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil* > > > We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. > > Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. > Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything > else from him. > > Should be about 1.5 weekends of work. > > Axel > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > * > **http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222* > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageLabs > Email Security System. > ________________________________________________________________________ > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update From: hvandervoo@aol.com Guys. My version can be found at www.mykitplane.com see the file section or foll ow the link. http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=75 If you use the recommended spring (as in use on my Aircamper ) the spring inner diameter is slightly larger than the tube it slides over. No need for tubing on the washer OD Hans NX15KV Waller, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Rick Holland Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 1:19 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update Probably a good idea Jake, however I have seen so many of these (on certif ied and exp) without them that I figured they weren't needed. rick On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:12 AM, wrote: Rick, Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairin g, vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them ab out 1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the spring sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it will keep th e spring centered and prevent it from offsetting during compression. My 2 cents. Jake Jake Spiegel | Schneider Electric | Information, Process & Organiza tion (IPO) | Information Systems Analyst - Analyst Engineering Informat ion Systems Phone: +319 369-6261 | Fax: +319 369-6657 | Mobile:+319-269-5813 Email: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com | Site: www.schneider-elect ric.com | Address: 3700 6th St. SW, Cedar Rapids, IA 52338 USA *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail Rick Holland Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 08/10/2010 11:46 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com To pietenpol-list@matronics.com cc Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update Here is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list. rick On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: mil> We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from him. Should be about 1.5 weekends of work. Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageLab s Email Security System. ________________________________________________________________________ -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:19 PM PST US From: JEFF WILSON Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... No way I'm removing brads. Just seal em up good with polyurethane. I did use an 18 gauge air brad nailer. Just be sure get good quality brads. Stay away from Harbor 'Chinese' Freight. Jeff Wilson N899WT (r) ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update From: "kevinpurtee" Thanks, Rick Holland. Your work is really nice! Hi Rick Schreiber - I'm building per Hans' drawing and he's given you the link. I ain't too proud to steal. Hans' design works for me because it's a direct replacement for the bungee setup. John - Let me know when you're going to visit Hans. My hangar to his is a nice flight and I haven't seen him in a while. Alternatively, you're welcome in Austin if you've got the time and energy to drive the couple of extra hours. I'd have tools waiting. Kevin do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308261#308261 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount From: "kevinpurtee" I'll measure it for you tomorrow night when I go to the hangar. I did extend the mount about an inch as I recall. No left thrust. Accordingly: lots of left peddle. Kevin -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308262#308262 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:48 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update >John - Let me know when you're going to visit Hans. My hangar to his is a nice flight and I haven't seen him in a while. Alternatively, you're welcome in Austin if you've got the time and energy to drive the couple of extra hours. I'd have tools waiting. hahahahaha, Yeah, have your tools ready...John will want to "look" them over....keep an eye on HIM....now when I stop by... :-) I'm in Houston next Monday and Tuesday...hoping Hans will be around one of those evenings for a visit so I can drive up. jm > >Kevin > >do not archive > >-------- >Kevin Purtee >NX899KP >Austin/Georgetown, TX > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308261#308261 > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:00 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update I am thinking September, would prefer October more about work schedule than anything else. Drill bits strategically located like mints near the register? I hope! I'll keep ya'll posted. Thanks, there's nothing like stealing ideas and accepting honor gifts of gratitude and the consumption of the beverage. Hans has a nice shop, neat clean and orderly, so easy to locate the perfect tool, nothing says love like a cordless drill, cutting torch, TIG torch or so many other appropriate gifts of suitable notoriety. Hands full of nicopress sleeves gosh my hearts a pitter patter with the possibilities. How I do so look forward to the fleecing of the host ritual and Please do not archive Less Yawanna In a message dated 8/10/2010 3:55:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kevin.purtee@us.army.mil writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee" Thanks, Rick Holland. Your work is really nice! Hi Rick Schreiber - I'm building per Hans' drawing and he's given you the link. I ain't too proud to steal. Hans' design works for me because it's a direct replacement for the bungee setup. John - Let me know when you're going to visit Hans. My hangar to his is a nice flight and I haven't seen him in a while. Alternatively, you're welcome in Austin if you've got the time and energy to drive the couple of extra hours. I'd have tools waiting. Kevin do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308261#308261 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:38 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update Only one thing worse than Markle driving up? that's Markle driving away with, well I suggest you take careful inventory before he gets in his car and drives away,. Take careful note of the tires and shocks. He has'nt quite figured out how mush air pressure is needed in the tires while under a heavily loaded trunk. We got a saying in these parts, When Markle drives away, drag ass, you better shag ass after him! Lord only knows what he's haulin ass with? Do not archive In a message dated 8/10/2010 4:09:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim_markle@mindspring.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle >John - Let me know when you're going to visit Hans. My hangar to his is a nice flight and I haven't seen him in a while. Alternatively, you're welcome in Austin if you've got the time and energy to drive the couple of extra hours. I'd have tools waiting. hahahahaha, Yeah, have your tools ready...John will want to "look" them over....keep an eye on HIM....now when I stop by... :-) I'm in Houston next Monday and Tuesday...hoping Hans will be around one of those evenings for a visit so I can drive up. jm > >Kevin > >do not archive > >-------- >Kevin Purtee >NX899KP >Austin/Georgetown, TX > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308261#308261 > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:18 PM PST US From: Pietn38b@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update Actually the tubes going through the springs keep them centered very well. I made my units from the same drawings in 1995 and after many many take-offs and landings I haven't broken them yet. Jim Pietenpol N38B In a message dated 8/10/2010 12:14:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com writes: Rick, Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairing, vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them about 1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the spring sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it will keep the spring centered and prevent it from offsetting during compression. My 2 cents. Jake Jake Spiegel | Schneider Electric | Information, Process & Organization (IPO) | Information Systems Analyst - Analyst Engineering Information Systems Phone: +319 369-6261 | Fax: +319 369-6657 | Mobile:+319-269-5813 Email: _jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com_ (mailto:jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com) | Site:_ www.schneider-electric.com_ (http://www.schneider-electric.com/) | Address: 3700 6th St. SW, Cedar Rapids, IA 52338 USA *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail Rick Holland Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 08/10/2010 11:46 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com To pietenpol-list@matronics.com cc Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update Here is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list. rick On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee <_kevin.purtee@us.army.mil_ (mailto:kevin.purtee@us.army.mil) > wrote: <_kevin.purtee@us.army.mil_ (mailto:kevin.purtee@us.army.mil) > We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from him. Should be about 1.5 weekends of work. Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: _http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222_ (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222) ========== st" target="_blank">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ========== _http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Old Kingsbury Aerodrome From: "kevinpurtee" Meant to reply to this earlier, Oscar. Like Reklaw, I'll miss this one due to school. (I hate the Army...) do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308268#308268 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Old Kingsbury Aerodrome From: Ryan Mueller Ah yes...the big green weenie is universal. That part I do not miss.... Ryan do not archive On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 3:27 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Meant to reply to this earlier, Oscar. Like Reklaw, I'll miss this one due > to school. (I hate the Army...) > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308268#308268 > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update From: "tkreiner" Kevin, et al: Please let me know when ya'll are going to visit Hans, as he's only about 20 mi. from me, and I'd like to see his project as well. (I never knew there was a Piet builder so close to KDWH!) Also, can't wait to meet he whose reputation precedes him... Just give me a days notice or so, and I'll be there. Feel free to contact me at 832-326-2970. Thanks, -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308288#308288 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work From: "Baldeagle" Anybody in So. California got a Piet with open spoked wheels that they would be willing to rent out for movie work? I would be the pilot, not sure yet what the script requires. - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308289#308289 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:01 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work ...heard it was "close air work with a Fokker DR-1." Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Baldeagle Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work Anybody in So. California got a Piet with open spoked wheels that they would be willing to rent out for movie work? I would be the pilot, not sure yet what the script requires. - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308289#308289 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work From: Ryan Mueller It begs the question: if I were to let my Piet be used, why wouldn't I be the one flying it? (Purely out of curiosity, as our Piet is not flying to CA from IL for movie work :P ) Ryan do not archive On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Baldeagle wrote: > baldeagle27@earthlink.net> > > Anybody in So. California got a Piet with open spoked wheels that they > would be willing to rent out for movie work? I would be the pilot, not sure > yet what the script requires. > > > - > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308289#308289 > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:43 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Skid question, need quick answer I need a quick answer. To those of you with tailskids and no brakes=2C do most people install the 1/4" skeg on the bottom of the skid per the plans or leave it off?? I believe some with the low pressure tires leave it off =2C but those wheels do not roll as much as big wire wheels=2C so I guess m y answer might depend on which wheels you have. Who else has big wheels an d tailskid=2C Pavliga?? Who else??? Gene Rambo ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair motor mount From: Rick Holland Mine ended up 12 3/4" from firewall to center of rear engine mount bolt. Long fuse. No offset angle. rick On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Richard Schreiber wrote: > Fellow Pieters, > > I am in the process of doing the motor mount for my Corvair. Those of you > with Corvair engines and the long fuselage, what were your dimensions for > the distance of the rear motor mount holes to the firewall. Did you put in > any left thrust? > > I weigh about 165 # and have built the long fuselage. > > > Rick Schreiber > Valparaiso, IN > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:49 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Skid question, need quick answer Hey Gene, If memory serves me right, I think Frank left the skeg off. His skid is also pretty wide - not sure if more than the plans, but it looks wide. Easier to 'float' on the grass, I guess. Kip Gardner On Aug 10, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > > I need a quick answer. To those of you with tailskids and no > brakes, do most people install the 1/4" skeg on the bottom of the > skid per the plans or leave it off?? I believe some with the low > pressure tires leave it off, but those wheels do not roll as much > as big wire wheels, so I guess my answer might depend on which > wheels you have. Who else has big wheels and tailskid, Pavliga?? > Who else??? > > Gene Rambo > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Skid question, need quick answer From: Dan Yocum I think Helsper left his off. Not sure what Greg C. did. What do the the photos on www.westcoastpiet.com say? -- yocum@gmail.com On Aug 10, 2010, at 7:46 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: > Hey Gene, > > If memory serves me right, I think Frank left the skeg off. His skid is a lso pretty wide - not sure if more than the plans, but it looks wide. Easie r to 'float' on the grass, I guess. > > Kip Gardner > > On Aug 10, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > >> >> I need a quick answer. To those of you with tailskids and no brakes, do most people install the 1/4" skeg on the bottom of the skid per the plans o r leave it off?? I believe some with the low pressure tires leave it off, b ut those wheels do not roll as much as big wire wheels, so I guess my answer might depend on which wheels you have. Who else has big wheels and tailski d, Pavliga?? Who else??? >> >> Gene Rambo >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution >> >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:43 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: What's it? OK, gang...just for fun (I'm not insensitive to the pilot's pain, but, heck, maybe a truck backed into it...). My daughter snapped this on her way home from work... I'm saying, "Stinson." Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: lreinthaler@nationalwood.com [mailto:lreinthaler@nationalwood.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: IMG00094-20100810-1737.jpg Someone's project. Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount From: "skellytown flyer" not sure if it will do you any good since mine is a GN-1 but it is 14" to the rear bolt.-tail actually ended up a little bit light. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308309#308309 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:11 PM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Skid question, need quick answer We did not install the skeg. to hard to turn and tears up the grass. Dale & Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: 8/10/2010 6:42:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Skid question, need quick answer I need a quick answer. To those of you with tailskids and no brakes, do most people install the 1/4" skeg on the bottom of the skid per the plans or leave it off?? I believe some with the low pressure tires leave it off, but those wheels do not roll as much as big wire wheels, so I guess my answer might depend on which wheels you have. Who else has big wheels and tailskid, Pavliga?? Who else??? Gene Rambo ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:12 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What's it? I'm voting for Stinson 108-3. Dan On 08/10/2010 08:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > OK, gang...just for fun (I'm not insensitive to the pilot's pain, but, heck, > maybe a truck backed into it...). My daughter snapped this on her way home > from work... > > I'm saying, "Stinson." > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > 20 ribs done > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lreinthaler@nationalwood.com [mailto:lreinthaler@nationalwood.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:39 PM > To: Boothe, Gary > Subject: IMG00094-20100810-1737.jpg > > Someone's project. > Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What's it? From: Ryan Mueller Agreed. You can see the beginnings of that "whale-tail" on the rear... :P Ryan do not archive On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > I'm voting for Stinson 108-3. > > Dan > > > On 08/10/2010 08:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > >> OK, gang...just for fun (I'm not insensitive to the pilot's pain, but, >> heck, >> maybe a truck backed into it...). My daughter snapped this on her way home >> from work... >> >> I'm saying, "Stinson." >> >> Gary Boothe >> Cool, CA >> Pietenpol >> WW Corvair Conversion >> Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> 20 ribs done >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lreinthaler@nationalwood.com [mailto:lreinthaler@nationalwood.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:39 PM >> To: Boothe, Gary >> Subject: IMG00094-20100810-1737.jpg >> >> Someone's project. >> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR >> > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work From: "Baldeagle" How much movie flying experience do you have, and are you eligible to join SAG? - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308325#308325 ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:40 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol//???? looks a piper tree pacer to my or cesna som --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Gary Boothe wrote: From: Gary Boothe Subject: Pietenpol-List: What's it? OK, gang...just for fun (I'm not insensitive to the pilot's pain, but, heck, maybe a truck backed into it...). My daughter snapped this on her way home from work... I'm saying, "Stinson." Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: lreinthaler@nationalwood.com [mailto:lreinthaler@nationalwood.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: IMG00094-20100810-1737.jpg Someone's project. Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What's it? From: Andrew M Eldredge I remember stripping paint from the same shaped panels under the horizontal tail, yep, 108... On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Agreed. You can see the beginnings of that "whale-tail" on the rear... :P > > Ryan > > do not archive > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > >> >> I'm voting for Stinson 108-3. >> >> Dan >> >> >> On 08/10/2010 08:50 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: >> >>> OK, gang...just for fun (I'm not insensitive to the pilot's pain, but, >>> heck, >>> maybe a truck backed into it...). My daughter snapped this on her way >>> home >>> from work... >>> >>> I'm saying, "Stinson." >>> >>> Gary Boothe >>> Cool, CA >>> Pietenpol >>> WW Corvair Conversion >>> Tail done, Fuselage on gear >>> 20 ribs done >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: lreinthaler@nationalwood.com [mailto:lreinthaler@nationalwood.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:39 PM >>> To: Boothe, Gary >>> Subject: IMG00094-20100810-1737.jpg >>> >>> Someone's project. >>> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR >>> >> >> -- >> Dan Yocum >> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > * > > -- Andrew Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:51 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Pietenpol-List: megusto mucho to venta. hey mark if you cut these spart in the dimention tallyou befort for 3 pices wing how mouch is cost total amont ready for pot in ribs i like to now may be I foun some were afw hundreds. tanks jorge from hanford --- On Mon, 8/9/10, Mark Roberts wrote: From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Any interest in Spruce Kits? I'd appreciate so me feedback regarding an idea... Hey Don! Thanks for the feedback. I just returned tonight from a boat builder that c alled the shop today, quite unexpectedly, an told us he wants to retire and sell all the rest of his wood stock. Unfortunately, the Sitka he has on ha nd is only 3/4" thick, and 6 foot long (but there is a fair amount of it, a nd it will make GREAT rib stock!). All we have on hand now is the spar stuff (Tight grain and absolutely verti cal... Looks like notebook paper with the lines too close to write in :o) ACS is a great company and I am not sure we are able to move on anything ot her than spars right now, but stay tuned! We have decided to get more of th e stuff from our suppliers. We are moving only in the Piet world, and not l ooking at being all things to all builders. :o)- I will most likely give you a call to chat tomorrow if you are around :o) Mark On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Don Rucker wrote: Mark, It is my intention to order our remaining wood this week. My son and I chos e to build the ribs first. With those behind us we are ready for the rest o f the wood. I have been pleased with ASC but would like to benefit another builder if the wood is of high quality and priced fairly. If you are interested and don't mind moving quickly I would like to hear mo re. Please call or email me to discuss. Good luck, Don (318) 207-0775 or donrucker.ctg@gmail.com Sent from my iPad st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Mark Roberts California Laser Etch www.california-laser.com 888-882-5015 888-882-5016 fax =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:22 PM PST US From: "Mike Whaley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A low-wing Pietenpol! Hi yall, I ran across this little article this evening while looking for something else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too. -Mike Mike Whaley MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:38 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Skid question, need quick answer Dale and I have large wheels and a skid on NX18235. The skeg was left off for reasons Dale has mentioned. We did attach a piece of 3/8" tungsten carbide rod laterally across the trailing edge of the skid for wear protection. Carbide cutting inserts had been attached and worked great. No wear in two seasons. They did, however, tear up hard surfaces as I taxied. The plane is adequately manuverable on the ground. Taxiing downwind can be troublesome in winds greater than 10 mph. It is a pussycat on landing, no skeg required. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Skid question, need quick answer I need a quick answer. To those of you with tailskids and no brakes, do most people install the 1/4" skeg on the bottom of the skid per the plans or leave it off?? I believe some with the low pressure tires leave it off, but those wheels do not roll as much as big wire wheels, so I guess my answer might depend on which wheels you have. Who else has big wheels and tailskid, Pavliga?? Who else??? Gene Rambo ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:33 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A low-wing Pietenpol! Here's the data from the historical search base of Transport Canada; http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/history.asp > Hi yall, > > I ran across this little article this evening while looking for something > else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry > about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too. > > -Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.