Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 08/11/10


Total Messages Posted: 48



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     1. 04:48 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Dan Yocum)
     2. 05:53 AM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Richard Schreiber)
     3. 05:58 AM - Re: Corvair motor mount (Richard Schreiber)
     4. 06:05 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Rick Holland)
     5. 06:09 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Wayne Bressler)
     6. 06:35 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (tkreiner)
     7. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (hvandervoo@aol.com)
     8. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Ryan Mueller)
     9. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (hvandervoo@aol.com)
    10. 06:53 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (womenfly2)
    11. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Jim Markle)
    12. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (hvandervoo@aol.com)
    13. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Jeff Boatright)
    14. 07:15 AM - Brenham on Saturday - Hans (kevinpurtee)
    15. 07:27 AM - Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans (Gary Boothe)
    16. 07:35 AM - Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans (kevinpurtee)
    17. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans (Gary Boothe)
    18. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Corvair motor mount (Rick Holland)
    19. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Rick Holland)
    20. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Rick Holland)
    21. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Dan Yocum)
    22. 11:03 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (H RULE)
    23. 11:11 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (JERRY GROGAN)
    24. 12:25 PM - where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (j_dunavin)
    25. 12:54 PM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Bill Church)
    26. 01:10 PM - Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (Dick N)
    27. 01:19 PM - Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (Paul N. Peckham)
    28. 01:33 PM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Rick Holland)
    29. 01:35 PM - Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work (Dave Abramson)
    30. 01:46 PM - Re: Wood kits (Aircraft Spruce Info)
    31. 02:52 PM - Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (j_dunavin)
    32. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (John Recine)
    33. 04:57 PM - spark plug wires (airlion)
    34. 05:10 PM - Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans (tkreiner)
    35. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (Michael Perez)
    36. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans (John Recine)
    37. 05:38 PM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (John Recine)
    38. 05:41 PM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (John Recine)
    39. 05:45 PM - Re: Wood kits (K5YAC)
    40. 05:56 PM - Re: Re: Wood kits (Gary Boothe)
    41. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Gene Rambo)
    42. 07:29 PM - Re: spark plug wires (Rick Holland)
    43. 07:32 PM - Re: spark plug wires (H RULE)
    44. 07:42 PM - Re: Spring Gear (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
    45. 09:34 PM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Clif Dawson)
    46. 09:39 PM - Can AC registration (Clif Dawson)
    47. 09:49 PM - Re: Can AC registration (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
    48. 11:20 PM - Re: Can AC registration (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:48:32 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    Clif, That's a bad URL (I blame the folks in Redmond). Can you tell us how to get the info from the main http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/menu.htm page? Thanks, Dan On 08/11/2010 01:10 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: > > Here's the data from the historical search base of Transport > Canada; > http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/history.asp > > >> Hi yall, >> >> I ran across this little article this evening while looking for something >> else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry >> about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too. >> >> -Mike > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 05:53:48 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
    Thanks for the link Hans Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 8/10/2010 2:24:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update Guys. My version can be found at www.mykitplane.com see the file section or follow the link. http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=75 If you use the recommended spring (as in use on my Aircamper ) the spring inner diameter is slightly larger than the tube it slides over. No need for tubing on the washer OD Hans NX15KV Waller, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 1:19 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update Probably a good idea Jake, however I have seen so many of these (on certified and exp) without them that I figured they weren't needed. rick On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:12 AM, <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com> wrote: Rick, Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairing, vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them about 1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the spring sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it will keep the spring centered and prevent it from offsetting during compression. My 2 cents. Jake Jake Spiegel | Schneider Electric | Information, Process & Organization (IPO) | Information Systems Analyst - Analyst Engineering Information Systems Phone: +319 369-6261 | Fax: +319 369-6657 | Mobile:+319-269-5813 Email: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com | Site: www.schneider-electric.com | Address: 3700 6th St. SW, Cedar Rapids, IA 52338 USA *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 08/10/2010 11:46 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com Topietenpol-list@matronics.com cc SubjectRe: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update Here is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list. rick On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote: We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from him. Should be about 1.5 weekends of work. Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ________________________________________________________________________ -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ===================================


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    Time: 05:58:07 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Corvair motor mount
    Rick and Raymond, thanks for the info. Rick do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland Sent: 8/10/2010 7:31:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair motor mount Mine ended up 12 3/4" from firewall to center of rear engine mount bolt. Long fuse. No offset angle. rick


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    Time: 06:05:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Now we just need someone to come up with a Piet Biplane. do not archive On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Mike Whaley <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > Hi yall, > > I ran across this little article this evening while looking for something > else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry > about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too. > > -Mike > > Mike Whaley > MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 06:09:30 AM PST US
    From: Wayne Bressler <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    That's a nice looking plane! The Piet makes a pretty low-winger. Do not archive Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Aug 11, 2010, at 1:27 AM, "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > Hi yall, > > I ran across this little article this evening while looking for > something > else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent > inquiry > about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too. > > -Mike > > Mike Whaley > MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com > > <piet_c-gixc_low-wing_casey_irwin_sport_aviation_1982-02_01.jpg>


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    Time: 06:35:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in front of me... The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be pretty complete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT bluelines) I purchased about a year ago. The plan set consists of three sheets, and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build instructions, along with disclaimers, etc. The full size rib layout for the lower wing is included. I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, nor where to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright symbol, nor rights claimed, as with the Pietenpol plans, this would be considered public domain, and may be copied at will. Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of copying. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308350#308350


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    Time: 06:39:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
    From: hvandervoo@aol.com
    Tom, There are a few, a Ford powered at Sportflyers (Brookshire) and John Frank lin is building at Massimilano There is/was a guy building in Conroe too. I live and have my hangar at Skydive Houston, 37X. Feel free to come by if you like. Home most evenings. Phone 713-906-6779 Hans NX15KV Waller, TX -----Original Message----- From: tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:05 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update Kevin, et al: Please let me know when ya'll are going to visit Hans, as he's only about 20 mi. rom me, and I'd like to see his project as well. (I never knew there was a iet builder so close to KDWH!) Also, can't wait to meet he whose reputation precedes him... Just give me a days notice or so, and I'll be there. Feel free to contact me at 32-326-2970. Thanks, -------- om Kreiner ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308288#308288 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 06:47:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    You can locate Chad Wille here: http://stcroix.50webs.com/ <http://stcroix.50webs.com/>Per the site the plans are for sale from him. Drill down through the "Planes Built" section for a pic of the "Aerial"... Ryan On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:35 AM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote: > > There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in front of > me... > > The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be pretty > complete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT > bluelines) I purchased about a year ago. The plan set consists of three > sheets, and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build instructions, along with > disclaimers, etc. The full size rib layout for the lower wing is included. > > I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, nor > where to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright symbol, nor > rights claimed, as with the Pietenpol plans, this would be considered public > domain, and may be copied at will. > > Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of > copying. > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308350#308350 > >


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    Time: 06:51:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
    From: hvandervoo@aol.com
    Y'all are always welcome to visit. Planning on a flight to Brenham this weekend, ETA 11 AM on Saturday, for Burger and a Shake at Southern Flyer. Hans NX15KV Waller, TX -----Original Message----- From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 2:54 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update mil> Thanks, Rick Holland. Your work is really nice! Hi Rick Schreiber - I'm building per Hans' drawing and he's given you the link. ain't too proud to steal. Hans' design works for me because it's a direc t eplacement for the bungee setup. John - Let me know when you're going to visit Hans. My hangar to his is a nice light and I haven't seen him in a while. Alternatively, you're welcome in ustin if you've got the time and energy to drive the couple of extra hours . 'd have tools waiting. Kevin do not archive -------- evin Purtee X899KP ustin/Georgetown, TX ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308261#308261 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 06:53:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    From: "womenfly2" <keriannprice@hotmail.com>
    I believe Chad Wille helps out at Old Rhinkbeck Aerodrome in NY. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308356#308356


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    Time: 06:54:56 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
    > >Please let me know when ya'll are going to visit Hans, as he's only about 20 mi. from me, and I'd like to see his project as well. (I never knew there was a Piet builder so close to KDWH!) > >Also, can't wait to meet he whose reputation precedes him... Yeah, it's too bad Recine won't be around! :-) I'll be in Houston next Monday and Tuesday and would love to meet up with anyone Piet people in the area! I'll have a car and would be glad to drive to wherever.... Jim Markle > >Just give me a days notice or so, and I'll be there. Feel free to contact me at 832-326-2970. > >Thanks, > >-------- >Tom Kreiner > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308288#308288 > >


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    Time: 07:01:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
    From: hvandervoo@aol.com
    John, Anytime let me know. I added a fridge to my shop now, was on my wish list for a long time Hans NX15KV Waller, TX -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 3:08 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update I am thinking September, would prefer October more about work schedule tha n anything else. Drill bits strategically located like mints near the regi ster? I hope! I'll keep ya'll posted. Thanks, there's nothing like stealin g ideas and accepting honor gifts of gratitude and the consumption of the beverage. Hans has a nice shop, neat clean and orderly, so easy to locate the perfect tool, nothing says love like a cordless drill, cutting torc h, TIG torch or so many other appropriate gifts of suitable notoriety. Ha nds full of nicopress sleeves gosh my hearts a pitter patter with the poss ibilities. How I do so look forward to the fleecing of the host ritual and Please do not archive Less Yawanna In a message dated 8/10/2010 3:55:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kevin.pur tee@us.army.mil writes: mil> Thanks, Rick Holland. Your work is really nice! Hi Rick Schreiber - I'm building per Hans' drawing and he's given you the link. I ain't too proud to steal. Hans' design works for me because it' s a direct replacement for the bungee setup. John - Let me know when you're going to visit Hans. My hangar to his is a nice flight and I haven't seen him in a while. Alternatively, you're welcome in Austin if you've got the time and energy to drive the couple of extra hours. I'd have tools waiting. Kevin do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308261#308261===== ======================== ================= ======================== ======== - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ==== ======================== ==================== - List Contribution Web Site sp; ====== ======================== ==================== ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 07:07:31 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    Not to be contrarian, but I don' think that's how copyright works. Chad Willie is a longtime Pietenpoler. He is featured prominently in Chet Peek's "The Pietenpol Story." He and his wife have an antique aeroplane restoration/building business, webpages at: http://stcroix.50webs.com/ Contact information: Chad Wille St. Croix Aircraft (641) 322-4041 1139 State Hiway 148 Corning IA 50841 stcroixair@frontiernet.net I don't know how up-to-date any of this is. There was a long-ish discussion about Chad Willie back in 2006 on this list. Search on "Chad Willie St Croix" as the subject and/or on "Bill Sayre" as author. HTH, Jeff > >There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in >front of me... > >The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be >pretty complete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol >blueprints (NOT bluelines) I purchased about a year ago. The plan >set consists of three sheets, and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build >instructions, along with disclaimers, etc. The full size rib layout >for the lower wing is included. > >I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, >nor where to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright >symbol, nor rights claimed, as with the Pietenpol plans, this would >be considered public domain, and may be copied at will. > >Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of copying. > >-------- >Tom Kreiner > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308350#308350 > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..."


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    Time: 07:15:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Brenham on Saturday - Hans
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Barring anything unusual I'd like to join you, Hans. I should work on the gear but the field-expedient repair is holding well so there should be no problem with sneaking in 2 more landings (knock on wood). You available Oscar? Tom? Tim? do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308361#308361


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    Time: 07:27:05 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Brenham on Saturday - Hans
    Ok. I'm officially jealous! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 7:15 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brenham on Saturday - Hans <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Barring anything unusual I'd like to join you, Hans. I should work on the gear but the field-expedient repair is holding well so there should be no problem with sneaking in 2 more landings (knock on wood). You available Oscar? Tom? Tim? do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308361#308361


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    Time: 07:35:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Nothing but a plane ticket, Gary... :) do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308368#308368


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    Time: 07:39:45 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans
    Which reminds me, Kevin, looks like I'm stuck in Dallas next week...short trip. I'll keep you posted on the next trip to Texas... Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Nothing but a plane ticket, Gary... :) do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308368#308368


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    Time: 08:53:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair motor mount
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    A possibly more relevent measurement on mine is the distance from the from the center of the front cabane attach bracket on the top longeron to the Corvair rear engine mount bolt - 36". To determine where my engine needed to end up I did a preliminary W&B on the uncovered airframe with scrap iron for fuel tank/fuel weight then reversed engineered where the engine needed to be. rick On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 7:56 PM, skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>wrote: > skellflyer1@yahoo.com> > > not sure if it will do you any good since mine is a GN-1 but it is 14" to > the rear bolt.-tail actually ended up a little bit light. Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308309#308309 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 09:21:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    But is there a flying Piet biplane? On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:35 AM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote: > > There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in front of > me... > > The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be pretty > complete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT > bluelines) I purchased about a year ago. The plan set consists of three > sheets, and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build instructions, along with > disclaimers, etc. The full size rib layout for the lower wing is included. > > I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, nor > where to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright symbol, nor > rights claimed, as with the Pietenpol plans, this would be considered public > domain, and may be copied at will. > > Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of > copying. > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308350#308350 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 09:21:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    But is there a flying Piet biplane? On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:35 AM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote: > > There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in front of > me... > > The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be pretty > complete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT > bluelines) I purchased about a year ago. The plan set consists of three > sheets, and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build instructions, along with > disclaimers, etc. The full size rib layout for the lower wing is included. > > I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, nor > where to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright symbol, nor > rights claimed, as with the Pietenpol plans, this would be considered public > domain, and may be copied at will. > > Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of > copying. > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308350#308350 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 09:27:18 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    There was one for sale on Barnstormers a while back. I seem to recall that it had been de-listed in the FAA registry, that it was trucked home, and during the move a wing got damaged pretty badly. The new owner stopped in on the list to recount the tale. Not sure what happened with it from there. Dan do not archive On 08/11/2010 11:18 AM, Rick Holland wrote: > But is there a flying Piet biplane? > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:35 AM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com > <mailto:tkreiner@gmail.com>> wrote: > > <mailto:tkreiner@gmail.com>> > > There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in > front of me... > > The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be > pretty complete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol > blueprints (NOT bluelines) I purchased about a year ago. The plan > set consists of three sheets, and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build > instructions, along with disclaimers, etc. The full size rib layout > for the lower wing is included. > > I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, > nor where to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright > symbol, nor rights claimed, as with the Pietenpol plans, this would > be considered public domain, and may be copied at will. > > Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of > copying. > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308350#308350 > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 11:03:16 AM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    Bernard took his design from the Jenny which is a biwing so-I guess you c ould =0Asay that every Jenny is a Pietenpol but why would you want to go ba ck instead of =0Aforward?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wed, August 11, 2010 9:05:23 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A l ow-wing Pietenpol!=0A=0ANow we just need someone to come up with a Piet Bip lane.=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Mike Wh aley <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com> wrote:=0A=0AHi yall,=0A>=0A>I ran across this l ittle article this evening while looking for something=0A>else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry=0A>about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too.=0A>=0A>-Mike=0A>=0A>Mike Whaley=0A>MerlinFAC@c fl.rr.com=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0ARick Holland=0ACastle Rock, Colorado=0A=0A" ========== =0A


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    Time: 11:11:34 AM PST US
    From: "JERRY GROGAN" <jerry@SKYCLASSIC.NET>
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    Remember we have the Pieten-38 At least on paper. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A low-wing Pietenpol! Now we just need someone to come up with a Piet Biplane. do not archive On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Mike Whaley <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com> wrote: Hi yall, I ran across this little article this evening while looking for something else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too. -Mike Mike Whaley MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 12:25:10 PM PST US
    Subject: where is everyone getting their Spruce at?
    From: "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin@hotmail.com>
    The plans are on order! The money has been sent, now we just wait for the plans to come to our door!! Now, where is everyone buying their wood at? I see some one went to Aircraft spruce. And that they offer a package, but it is missing the wood for the ribs? I have also asked our local shop, and they said it would be $20 a board ft. So, from the materials list I have, I think I came up with 100 bd ft. ? Is that right? Here is the list i am referencing http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=72593 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308397#308397


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    Time: 12:54:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Dan wrote: Clif, That's a bad URL (I blame the folks in Redmond). Can you tell us how to get the info from the main http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/menu.htm page? Okay, here goes... On the left side of the page click "Modes of Transportation" Then, on the left side of the new page, click "Air Transportation" Then, on the left side of THAT new page, click "Aircraft" Then, on the left side of THAT new page, click "Aircraft Registration and Leasing" Then, on the RIGHT side of THAT new page, click "Canadian Civil Aircraft Register" This will direct you to a new site. Click the link. Then click "English". Then, on the left side, click "Historical Register". When the new page comes up, enter "GIXC" for the mark. THAT will get you to the history of the mark C-GIXC that is seen on the tail of the low-wing Pietenpol in the photo. Clicking C-GIXC will bring up the data for the plane. Phew! Anyway, looking through that data, I see the reason why it looks so different - It's not actually a Pietenpol... It's a GN-1. :) Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308402#308402


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    Time: 01:10:19 PM PST US
    From: "Dick N" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at?
    Wing rib material is best ordered from Aircraft Spruce. I ordered wood from them recentely. Wing ribs take approx 630 running feet in 6 ft. sections. That will be enough to cover tha tail feathers also. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? > > The plans are on order! The money has been sent, now we just wait for the > plans to come to our door!! > Now, where is everyone buying their wood at? I see some one went to > Aircraft spruce. And that they offer a package, but it is missing the wood > for the ribs? > I have also asked our local shop, and they said it would be $20 a board > ft. So, from the materials list I have, I think I came up with 100 bd ft. > ? Is that right? > Here is the list i am referencing > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=72593 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308397#308397 > > >


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    Time: 01:19:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at?
    From: "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9@countryspeed.com>
    For buying sitka spruce, try McCormick Lumber in Madison, WI. You're in northern Illinois, so it would be worth the trip. The last time I checked with them, 4/4 sitka was going for $9.00/ bd. ft. Now you will have to get it joined and planed so get friendly with your local cabinetmaker. I'm on good terms with ours, so when he does work like that, it usually cost me about a 12 pack of Corona beer. Well worth it. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308404#308404


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    Time: 01:33:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    cus it looks cool. do not archive On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:02 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote: > Bernard took his design from the Jenny which is a biwing so I guess you > could say that every Jenny is a Pietenpol but why would you want to go back > instead of forward? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wed, August 11, 2010 9:05:23 AM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: A low-wing Pietenpol! > > Now we just need someone to come up with a Piet Biplane. > > do not archive > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Mike Whaley <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>wrote: > >> Hi yall, >> >> I ran across this little article this evening while looking for something >> else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry >> about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too. >> >> -Mike >> >> Mike Whaley >> MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" rel=nofollow target=_blank>h > * > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 01:35:11 PM PST US
    From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
    Subject: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work
    My Piet is on the wire wheel gear with no covering, or wings.... or engine.... in Santa Maria, Ca!!!!! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:36 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work It begs the question: if I were to let my Piet be used, why wouldn't I be the one flying it? (Purely out of curiosity, as our Piet is not flying to CA from IL for movie work :P ) Ryan do not archive On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Baldeagle <baldeagle27@earthlink.net> wrote: <baldeagle27@earthlink.net> Anybody in So. California got a Piet with open spoked wheels that they would be willing to rent out for movie work? I would be the pilot, not sure yet what the script requires. - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308289#308289 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==========


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    Time: 01:46:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wood kits
    From: "Aircraft Spruce Info" <info@aircraftspruce.com>
    We noticed the discussion regarding the Pietenpol wood kits on the newsgroup, and we found that our Pietenpol kit listings needed to be updated. We now have all of the Pietenpol kits updated and listed on our website. Thanks for the builders who posted their comments which brought this to our attention. Aircraft Spruce Customer Service Dept. info@aircraftspruce.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308408#308408


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    Time: 02:52:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at?
    From: "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin@hotmail.com>
    We do have a planer at my Dad's home shop, so we could plane our own stuff. $9 sounds a lot better than $20. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308411#308411


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    Time: 04:31:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc@aol.com>
    Sign me up John Do not archive ------Original Message------ From: tkreiner Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! Sent: Aug 11, 2010 9:35 AM There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in front of me... The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be pretty complete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT bluelines) I purchased about a year ago. The plan set consists of three sheets, and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build instructions, along with disclaimers, etc. The full size rib layout for the lower wing is included. I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, nor where to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright symbol, nor rights claimed, as with the Pietenpol plans, this would be considered public domain, and may be copied at will. Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of copying. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308350#308350 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 04:57:37 PM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: spark plug wires
    Hey listers, for you corvair engine guys, I am having trouble keeping the plug wires connected. It seems that they are vibrating off or being blown off. Anybody have a suggestion on how to secure them better.? I have 30 hours on the plane now and the engine is running great. the temps are good and the trim is fantastic. hands off and turns only with the rudder. After every flight I have to open the cowl to make sure the plug wires are connected. This morning one was loose. Cheers, Gardiner


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    Time: 05:10:52 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans
    From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner@gmail.com>
    Kevin, I was just reminded that this Saturday, with both kids home from college, we're celebrating our sons birthday - in Galveston, no less - and as a result, I'm not going to be able to break away. I'll take a rain check, however, just let me know when ya'll might be able to plan another get together. Regards, -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308421#308421


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    Time: 05:22:28 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at?
    I buy all of my sitka from Public Lumber. Looks like they may be re-working their web site, so call them.- Anyhoo, I buy all my sitka-in bulk, rou gh cut boards in various sizes and make all my own pieces. I enjoy the extr a work, so it made sense for me.-


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    Time: 05:38:52 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans
    From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc@aol.com>
    No biggie, we'll swing by your shop for a look at the tools. Do not archive Less Yawanna ------Original Message------ From: tkreiner Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans Sent: Aug 11, 2010 8:10 PM Kevin, I was just reminded that this Saturday, with both kids home from college, we're celebrating our sons birthday - in Galveston, no less - and as a result, I'm not going to be able to break away. I'll take a rain check, however, just let me know when ya'll might be able to plan another get together. Regards, -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308421#308421 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 05:38:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow
    lovers of the blue
    From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc@aol.com>
    TWlrZSANCg0KVGhhbmtzIGZvciB5b3VyIGlucHV0IGFuZCBhZHZpY2UgSSBhcHByZWNpYXRlIHlv dXIgd2lsbGluZ25lc3MgdG8gc2hhcmUgeW91ciB0aGVvcmV0aWNhbCBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbi4gTm90 IHRvIGRpc2NyZWRpdCB5b3Ugb3IgeW91IG9mZmVyaW5nLCBJIHdhcyByZWFsbHkgbG9va2luZyBm b3IgZW1waXJpY2FsIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIGZyb20gcGVvcGxlIHRoYXQgaGF2ZSBidWlsdCBhbmQg YXJlIGZseWluZyB0aGVpciBwcm9qZWN0cyB0byBnZXQgYSBoYW5kbGUgb24gd2hhdCByZWFsbHkg d29ya3MgcmF0aGVyIHRoYW4gdGhlb3JpZXMgdXAgc3Vic3RhbnRpYXRlZC4gDQoNCkRpcnR5IHNp ZGUgcmVmZXJlbmNlIHRvIGRyYWc6IG5vdCBiZWluZyBhbnkga2luZCBvZiBleHBlcnQgSSB3YXMg dHJ5aW5nIHRvIGRldGVybWluZSAgd2hpY2ggc2lkZSBvZiB0aGUgd2luZyAgaGFzIG9yIGlzIGNh cGFibGUgb2Ygb3BlcmF0aW5nIGJlc3Qgd2l0aCB0aGUgZ3JlYXRlc3QgYW1vdW50IG9mIGRyYWcg Y3JlYXRlZCBieSBhdHRhY2htZW50cyBhbmQgaWYgcG9zc2libGUgd2hpY2ggc2lkZSBvZiB0aGUg d2luZyBjb3VsZCBhY2NvbW1vZGF0ZSB0aGUgbW9zdCBpbnRlcmZlcmVuY2Ugd2l0aG91dCBjb21w cm9taXNpbmcgdGhlIHdpbmdzIHBlcmZvcm1hbmNlLiAgDQoNClRoYW5rcyBhZ2FpbiBmb3IgeW91 ciB0aG91Z2h0cyBhbmQgdGhlb3JpZXMuIEJ0dyBhcmUgeW91IGFuIGVuZ2luZWVyPw0KDQpKb2hu IA0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IFZlcml6b24gV2lyZWxlc3MgQmxhY2tCZXJyeQ0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdp bmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogTWljaGFlbCBQZXJleiA8c3BlZWRicmFrZUBzYmNnbG9i YWwubmV0Pg0KU2VuZGVyOiBvd25lci1waWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNv bQ0KRGF0ZTogVHVlLCAxMCBBdWcgMjAxMCAwODowODo1NyANClRvOiA8cGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RA bWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4NClJlcGx5LVRvOiBwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpT dWJqZWN0OiBSZTogUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6IERlYXIgc2FnZSBidWlsZGVycywgZW5naW5lZXJz LGFkdmlzb3JzIGFuZCBmZWxsb3cgbG92ZXJzIG9mIHRoZSBibHVlDQoNCldlbGwsIHlvdSBvcGVu ZWQgdGhlIGRvb3IgZm9yIG1lIEpvaG4sIHNvIGhlcmUgZ29lczoNCg0KRGloZWRyYWw6IG9wdGlt dW0gYW1vdW50IHBlcmZvcm1hbmNlIHZzIGFlc3RoZXRpY3M/IA0KRm9yZ2V0IEFlc3RoZXRpY3Mg aGVyZSEgR28gZm9yIHBlcmZvcm1hbmNlLiBTbGlnaHQgZGloZWRyYWwgaXMgZ29vZCBpbiBteSBv cGluaW9uLiBJIHdpbGwgaGF2ZSBzb21lIG9uIE5YOTkyV0QuIChTdGFiaWxpdHkuLi5nb29kIGZv ciBoYW5kcyBvZmYgYW5kIGxvbmcgZmxpZ2h0cy4pDQoNCldpbmdzIGJlc3QgbGlmdCBhbmQgcGVy Zm9ybWFuY2UgY29uZmlndXJhdGlvbiBmb3IgZGlydHkgb24gdGhlIGJvdHRvbSBvciBvbiANCnRv cCBzdXJmYWNlIG9mIHRoZSB3aW5noG9yIGRvZXMgaXQgbWF0dGVyPw0KRG9uJ3QgdW5kZXJzdGFu ZCBxdWVzdGlvbi4NCg0KR2FwIHNlYWwgb24gdGhlIGJvdHRvbSBvZiB0aGUgd2luZyB1c2luZyB0 aGUgbGlmdCBzaWRlIHRvIGhvbGQgdGhlIHNlYWwgaW4gDQpwbGFjZSBvciBvbiB0b3AgYW5kIHNl Y3VyZWQgYnkgbWVjaGFuaWNhbCBtZWFucy4NCk1hdHRlcnMgbm90LiBZb3UganVzdCBuZWVkIHRv IGtlZXAgdGhlIGFpciBmcm9tIGZsb3dpbmcgYmV0d2VlbiB0aGUgdGhlIHR3byBzdHJ1Y3R1cmVz LiBBZ2FpbiwgdXNpbmcgdGhlc2UgaXMgYSBwZXJmb3JtYW5jZSBnYWluLiAoSSB3aWxsIGhhdmUg dGhlbSBpbiBzb21lIGZvcm0uKQ0KDQpIaW5nZXMgaG9tZSBtYWRlIG9yIHBpYW5vPyBCdWlsdCBp biBnYXAgc2VhbCB2cyBhbnkgYWRkaXRpb25hbCBEcmFnLg0KQWx1bWludW0gcGlhbm8uIEFMTCBv ZiBtaW5lIGhpbmdlcyBhcmUgdGhlc2UuIChTZWUgbXkgSElOVCB2aWRlb3MuKSBMaWdodCBzdHJv bmcsIGNsZWFuLiBUaGVuIGdhcCBzZWFsIGFzIG5lZWRlZC4NCg0KRWxldmF0b3IgaGluZ2VzIGFn YWluIHBpYW5vIG9yIFBpZXQgZGVzaWduPyBuZWNlc3NpdHkgb2YgZ2FwIHNlYWwgYXQgDQplbGV2 YXRvcnM/DQpBbHVtaW51bSBwaWFubywgdXNlIGdhcCBzZWFsIG9mIHNvbWUgc29ydC4NCg0KVGFp bCBzZWN0aW9ucyBqb2luZWQgZm9yIHNpbmdsZSBob3JuIG9yIHNwbGl0IGFzIGRlc2lnbmVkIGZv ciBkdWFsIA0KaG9ybj8NClNwbGl0LiBUaGlzIGFsbG93cyBzb21lIGRpZmZlcmVudGlhbCBhZGp1 c3RtZW50IGlmIG5lZWRlZCB0byB0cmltIHBsYW5lIGluIGZsaWdodC4gDQoNCkVsZXZhdG9yIGNv bm5lY3Rpb24gZm9yIHNpbmdsZSBob3JuIHZzIGludGVyZmVyZW5jZSB3aXRoIHJ1ZGRlciANCm9w ZXJhdGlvbj8NClNwbGl0IGVsZXZhdG9ycy4uLmludGVyZmVyZW5jZSBwcm9ibGVtIHNvbHZlZC4N Cg0KRmVsbG93IGxvdmVyIG9mIHRoZSBibHVlIGFuZCBoZWF2eSBQaWV0ZW5wb2wgbW9kaWZpZXIu IA0KDQoNCk1pY2hhZWwgUGVyZXoNCg0KS2FyZXRha2VyIEFlcm8NCnd3dy5rYXJldGFrZXJhZXJv LmNvbQ0KDQo


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    Time: 05:41:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow
    lovers of the blue
    From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc@aol.com>
    Stinkin dingleberry Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc@aol.com> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue Mike Thanks for your input and advice I appreciate your willingness to share your theoretical information. Not to discredit you or you offering, I was really looking for empirical information from people that have built and are flying their projects to get a handle on what really works rather than theories up substantiated. Dirty side reference to drag: not being any kind of expert I was trying to determine which side of the wing has or is capable of operating best with the greatest amount of drag created by attachments and if possible which side of the wing could accommodate the most interference without compromising the wings performance. Thanks again for your thoughts and theories. Btw are you an engineer? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue Well, you opened the door for me John, so here goes: Dihedral: optimum amount performance vs aesthetics? Forget Aesthetics here! Go for performance. Slight dihedral is good in my opinion. I will have some on NX992WD. (Stability...good for hands off and long flights.) Wings best lift and performance configuration for dirty on the bottom or on top surface of the wingor does it matter? Don't understand question. Gap seal on the bottom of the wing using the lift side to hold the seal in place or on top and secured by mechanical means. Matters not. You just need to keep the air from flowing between the the two structures. Again, using these is a performance gain. (I will have them in some form.) Hinges home made or piano? Built in gap seal vs any additional Drag. Aluminum piano. ALL of mine hinges are these. (See my HINT videos.) Light strong, clean. Then gap seal as needed. Elevator hinges again piano or Piet design? necessity of gap seal at elevators? Aluminum piano, use gap seal of some sort. Tail sections joined for single horn or split as designed for dual horn? Split. This allows some differential adjustment if needed to trim plane in flight. Elevator connection for single horn vs interference with rudder operation? Split elevators...interference problem solved. Fellow lover of the blue and heavy Pietenpol modifier. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 05:45:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wood kits
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    Well that is confusing as hell. You guys normally posted a wood package for the Pietenpol Air Camper... now you only list four "kits" for the different sections of the Pietenpol Air Camper, and none of them are linked to a bill of materials that can be accessed and studied in order to confirm what the customer is actually ordering. For example, what is included in that $931 "wing kit" that is now listed? Does that include capstrip for wing ribs? If so, what are guys suposed to do that have already built or acquired ribs? Search for individual items to complete the wings? Whew! Not the end of the world, but another challenge for an individual that might have just chosen to purchase your old wood package. I'm not sure how well those packages will go over. If I remember correctly, the old wood package was compiled quite some time ago and there are many notes out there that reference that "no capstrip or plywood" package. The contents of the original package is right on according to many past builders, and I am enjoying the fact that some of the guess work is eliminated when following the instruction of veteran builders that have used your wood package. In fact, it is one of the main reasons I purchased your package. I mean, have you guys tried to build one of these from the plans? I suppose things can change, but I certainly can't recommend what you are currently offering since I have no idea what it includes. I would like to suggest that you offer the original package along with those "kits" you are offering. In addition to that... publish a bill of materials (similar to the GN-1 package) so people can know what they are looking at. Perhaps you know best what it is that your customer wants, but it seems like you might not want to mess with something that many people have said is a "no-brainer" when it comes to wood selection. Lots of people like to acquire their wood in different ways, but I'm sure that many would choose to pay a little extra to know they have good quality components cut to the sizes they require. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308429#308429 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/asands_801.jpg


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    Time: 05:56:21 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Wood kits
    Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1@gmail.com. I know he doesn't have kit prices yet, but he has wood... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits Well that is confusing as hell. You guys normally posted a wood package for the Pietenpol Air Camper... now you only list four "kits" for the different sections of the Pietenpol Air Camper, and none of them are linked to a bill of materials that can be accessed and studied in order to confirm what the customer is actually ordering. For example, what is included in that $931 "wing kit" that is now listed? Does that include capstrip for wing ribs? If so, what are guys suposed to do that have already built or acquired ribs? Search for individual items to complete the wings? Whew! Not the end of the world, but another challenge for an individual that might have just chosen to purchase your old wood package. I'm not sure how well those packages will go over. If I remember correctly, the old wood package was compiled quite some time ago and there are many notes out there that reference that "no capstrip or plywood" package. The contents of the original package is right on according to many past builders, and I am enjoying the fact that some of the guess work is eliminated when following the instruction of veteran builders that have used your wood package. In fact, it is one of the main reasons I purchased your package. I mean, have you guys tried to build one of these from the plans? I suppose things can change, but I certainly can't recommend what you are currently offering since I have no idea what it includes. I would like to suggest that you offer the original package along with those "kits" you are offering. In addition to that... publish a bill of materials (similar to the GN-1 package) so people can know what they are looking at. Perhaps you know best what it is that your customer wants, but it seems like you might not want to mess with something that many people have said is a "no-brainer" when it comes to wood selection. Lots of people like to acquire their wood in different ways, but I'm sure that many would choose to pay a little extra to know they have good quality components cut to the sizes they require. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308429#308429 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/asands_801.jpg


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    Time: 06:09:39 PM PST US
    From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    How could you not know how to contact C Willie?? To anyone at Brodhead it w as hard to avoid him between him flying the Scout and the Aeronca C3 and Go d knows what else. Chad Willie is a permanent fixture . . . Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! From: at7000ft@gmail.com But is there a flying Piet biplane? On Wed=2C Aug 11=2C 2010 at 7:35 AM=2C tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote: There already IS a Piet biplane=2C and I have a copy of the plans in front of me... The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille=2C and appears to be pretty com plete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT blueline s) I purchased about a year ago. The plan set consists of three sheets=2C and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build instructions=2C along with disclaimers =2C etc. The full size rib layout for the lower wing is included. I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated=2C as they are bluelines=2C no r where to locate C. Wille=2C but=2C since there is no copyright symbol=2C nor rights claimed=2C as with the Pietenpol plans=2C this would be conside red public domain=2C and may be copied at will. Let me know if anyone is interested=2C and I'll check into the cost of copy ing. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308350#308350 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le=2C List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock=2C Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers=2C that smell bad"


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    Time: 07:29:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: spark plug wires
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Are you using the WW recommended wires Gardiner? (Accel 5041 from Summit Racing). Mine are so hard to remove that I bust knuckles every time I have to pull one off, can't imagine one coming off by itself. Glad your Piet is performing so well, I wish my only problem now was a loose spark plug wire. rick On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:57 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > Hey listers, for you corvair engine guys, I am having trouble keeping the > plug > wires connected. It seems that they are vibrating off or being blown off. > Anybody have a suggestion on how to secure them better.? I have 30 hours on > the > plane now and the engine is running great. the temps are good and the trim > is > fantastic. hands off and turns only with the rudder. After every flight I > have > to open the cowl to make sure the plug wires are connected. This morning > one was > loose. Cheers, Gardiner > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 07:32:20 PM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: spark plug wires
    I am using these connectors that were used on old out board motors that loo k =0Alike a spring with two ends that stick out and into the rubber of the boot and =0Athen the cable wire just butts up against it.The spring holds s o tight to the =0Aplug that I can hardly get it off the end of the plug pul ling as hard as I can.I =0Aordered them through an out fit called Kabuto.Th ey make small construction =0Aequipment.Anyway ,I haven't found anything st ronger for holding the cable wire =0Aonto the plugs than these .They come w ith thier own boot but I used slightly =0Alarger ones than the ones they pr ovided and it still works extremely well and =0Athey were not expensive.- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: airlion <airlion@be llsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, August 11, 201 0 7:57:03 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: spark plug wires=0A=0A--> Pietenpol -List message posted by: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>=0A=0AHey listers, for you corvair engine guys, I am having trouble keeping the plug =0Awires connected. It seems that they are vibrating off or being blown off. =0AAnyb ody have a suggestion on how to secure them better.? I have 30 hours on the =0Aplane now and the engine is running great. the temps are good and the t rim is =0Afantastic. hands off and turns only with the rudder. After every flight I have =0Ato open the cowl to make sure the plug wires are connected -========================


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    Time: 07:42:19 PM PST US
    From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Spring Gear
    Jack, - Can you please give me a call. - Ken H. 701-793-3030 - --- On Wed, 10/7/09, jack@textors.com <jack@textors.com> wrote: From: jack@textors.com <jack@textors.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spring Gear All, Can you assist with a question on spring gear?- The attached photo is fro m Tony's book.- He states that the slot is 1 3/4" long.- Does that soun d like enough travel? Thanks, Jack www.textors.com=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 09:34:15 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
    http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2/CCARCS/aspscripts/en/menu.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:47 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A low-wing Pietenpol! > > Clif, > > That's a bad URL (I blame the folks in Redmond). > > Can you tell us how to get the info from the main > http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/menu.htm page? > > Thanks, > Dan > > > On 08/11/2010 01:10 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: >> >> Here's the data from the historical search base of Transport >> Canada; >> http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/history.asp >> >> >>> Hi yall, >>> >>> I ran across this little article this evening while looking for >>> something >>> else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent >>> inquiry >>> about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too. >>> >>> -Mike >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 23:34:00


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    Time: 09:39:34 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Can AC registration
    Oops, sorry, I planned to send that link to myself to test it. Oh well, try it anyway. I'll see what else I can come up with. Clif


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    Time: 09:49:58 PM PST US
    From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Can AC registration
    Clif, - Care to visit and help a fellow builder with a fuselage material list? I am making a few changes and need some help in reading plans to determine mate rial list and dimensional sizing. - Ken Heide 701-793-3030 - --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote: From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can AC registration Oops, sorry, I planned to send that link to myself to test it. Oh well, try it anyway. I'll see what else I can come up with. Clif =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 11:20:37 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Can AC registration
    I'd love it. Unfortunately you're in North Dakota and I'm on the West Coast of British Columbia in Vancouver. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 9:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Can AC registration Clif, Care to visit and help a fellow builder with a fuselage material list? I am making a few changes and need some help in reading plans to determine material list and dimensional sizing. Ken Heide 701-793-3030 --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote: From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can AC registration To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 11:36 PM Oops, sorry, I planned to send that link to myself to test it. Oh well, try it anyway. I'll see what else I can come up with. Clif " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08/10/10 23:34:00




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