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1. 04:48 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Dan Yocum)
2. 05:53 AM - Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Richard Schreiber)
3. 05:58 AM - Re: Corvair motor mount (Richard Schreiber)
4. 06:05 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Rick Holland)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Wayne Bressler)
6. 06:35 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (tkreiner)
7. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (hvandervoo@aol.com)
8. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Ryan Mueller)
9. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (hvandervoo@aol.com)
10. 06:53 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (womenfly2)
11. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (Jim Markle)
12. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update (hvandervoo@aol.com)
13. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Jeff Boatright)
14. 07:15 AM - Brenham on Saturday - Hans (kevinpurtee)
15. 07:27 AM - Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans (Gary Boothe)
16. 07:35 AM - Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans (kevinpurtee)
17. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans (Gary Boothe)
18. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Corvair motor mount (Rick Holland)
19. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Rick Holland)
20. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Rick Holland)
21. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Dan Yocum)
22. 11:03 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (H RULE)
23. 11:11 AM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (JERRY GROGAN)
24. 12:25 PM - where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (j_dunavin)
25. 12:54 PM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Bill Church)
26. 01:10 PM - Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (Dick N)
27. 01:19 PM - Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (Paul N. Peckham)
28. 01:33 PM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Rick Holland)
29. 01:35 PM - Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work (Dave Abramson)
30. 01:46 PM - Re: Wood kits (Aircraft Spruce Info)
31. 02:52 PM - Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (j_dunavin)
32. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (John Recine)
33. 04:57 PM - spark plug wires (airlion)
34. 05:10 PM - Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans (tkreiner)
35. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (Michael Perez)
36. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans (John Recine)
37. 05:38 PM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (John Recine)
38. 05:41 PM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (John Recine)
39. 05:45 PM - Re: Wood kits (K5YAC)
40. 05:56 PM - Re: Re: Wood kits (Gary Boothe)
41. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Gene Rambo)
42. 07:29 PM - Re: spark plug wires (Rick Holland)
43. 07:32 PM - Re: spark plug wires (H RULE)
44. 07:42 PM - Re: Spring Gear (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
45. 09:34 PM - Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! (Clif Dawson)
46. 09:39 PM - Can AC registration (Clif Dawson)
47. 09:49 PM - Re: Can AC registration (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
48. 11:20 PM - Re: Can AC registration (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
Clif,
That's a bad URL (I blame the folks in Redmond).
Can you tell us how to get the info from the main
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/menu.htm page?
Thanks,
Dan
On 08/11/2010 01:10 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> Here's the data from the historical search base of Transport
> Canada;
> http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/history.asp
>
>
>> Hi yall,
>>
>> I ran across this little article this evening while looking for something
>> else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry
>> about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too.
>>
>> -Mike
>
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| Subject: | Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
Thanks for the link Hans
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Guys.
My version can be found at www.mykitplane.com see the file section or follow the link.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=75
If you use the recommended spring (as in use on my Aircamper ) the spring inner
diameter is slightly larger than the tube it slides over.
No need for tubing on the washer OD
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, Texas
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From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Probably a good idea Jake, however I have seen so many of these (on certified and
exp) without them that I figured they weren't needed.
rick
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:12 AM, <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com> wrote:
Rick,
Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free to tell
me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairing, vehicles,
I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of pieces of tubing
with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them about 1/2 an inch long
and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the spring sits in. while
this may seem like a waste of time it will keep the spring centered and prevent
it from offsetting during compression.
My 2 cents.
Jake
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Here is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list.
rick
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.
Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will
likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from
him.
Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.
Axel
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
Rick and Raymond, thanks for the info.
Rick
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From: Rick Holland
Sent: 8/10/2010 7:31:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair motor mount
Mine ended up 12 3/4" from firewall to center of rear engine mount bolt. Long fuse.
No offset angle.
rick
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
Now we just need someone to come up with a Piet Biplane.
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On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Mike Whaley <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> Hi yall,
>
> I ran across this little article this evening while looking for something
> else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry
> about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too.
>
> -Mike
>
> Mike Whaley
> MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
That's a nice looking plane! The Piet makes a pretty low-winger.
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Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Aug 11, 2010, at 1:27 AM, "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> Hi yall,
>
> I ran across this little article this evening while looking for
> something
> else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent
> inquiry
> about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too.
>
> -Mike
>
> Mike Whaley
> MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com
>
> <piet_c-gixc_low-wing_casey_irwin_sport_aviation_1982-02_01.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in front of me...
The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be pretty complete.
The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT bluelines) I purchased
about a year ago. The plan set consists of three sheets, and has 8 to
10 paragraphs of build instructions, along with disclaimers, etc. The full size
rib layout for the lower wing is included.
I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, nor where
to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright symbol, nor rights claimed,
as with the Pietenpol plans, this would be considered public domain, and may
be copied at will.
Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of copying.
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| Subject: | Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
Tom,
There are a few, a Ford powered at Sportflyers (Brookshire) and John Frank
lin is building at Massimilano
There is/was a guy building in Conroe too.
I live and have my hangar at Skydive Houston, 37X.
Feel free to come by if you like.
Home most evenings.
Phone 713-906-6779
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
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From: tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:05 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Kevin, et al:
Please let me know when ya'll are going to visit Hans, as he's only about
20 mi.
rom me, and I'd like to see his project as well. (I never knew there was
a
iet builder so close to KDWH!)
Also, can't wait to meet he whose reputation precedes him...
Just give me a days notice or so, and I'll be there. Feel free to contact
me at
32-326-2970.
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
You can locate Chad Wille here:
http://stcroix.50webs.com/
<http://stcroix.50webs.com/>Per the site the plans are for sale from him.
Drill down through the "Planes Built" section for a pic of the "Aerial"...
Ryan
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:35 AM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in front of
> me...
>
> The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be pretty
> complete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT
> bluelines) I purchased about a year ago. The plan set consists of three
> sheets, and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build instructions, along with
> disclaimers, etc. The full size rib layout for the lower wing is included.
>
> I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, nor
> where to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright symbol, nor
> rights claimed, as with the Pietenpol plans, this would be considered public
> domain, and may be copied at will.
>
> Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of
> copying.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
Y'all are always welcome to visit.
Planning on a flight to Brenham this weekend, ETA 11 AM on Saturday, for
Burger and a Shake at Southern Flyer.
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 2:54 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
mil>
Thanks, Rick Holland. Your work is really nice!
Hi Rick Schreiber - I'm building per Hans' drawing and he's given you the
link.
ain't too proud to steal. Hans' design works for me because it's a direc
t
eplacement for the bungee setup.
John - Let me know when you're going to visit Hans. My hangar to his is
a nice
light and I haven't seen him in a while. Alternatively, you're welcome in
ustin if you've got the time and energy to drive the couple of extra hours
.
'd have tools waiting.
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
I believe Chad Wille helps out at Old Rhinkbeck Aerodrome in NY.
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| Subject: | Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
>
>Please let me know when ya'll are going to visit Hans, as he's only about 20 mi.
from me, and I'd like to see his project as well. (I never knew there was
a Piet builder so close to KDWH!)
>
>Also, can't wait to meet he whose reputation precedes him...
Yeah, it's too bad Recine won't be around! :-) I'll be in Houston next Monday
and Tuesday and would love to meet up with anyone Piet people in the area! I'll
have a car and would be glad to drive to wherever....
Jim Markle
>
>Just give me a days notice or so, and I'll be there. Feel free to contact me
at 832-326-2970.
>
>Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update |
John,
Anytime let me know.
I added a fridge to my shop now, was on my wish list for a long time
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
I am thinking September, would prefer October more about work schedule tha
n anything else. Drill bits strategically located like mints near the regi
ster? I hope! I'll keep ya'll posted. Thanks, there's nothing like stealin
g ideas and accepting honor gifts of gratitude and the consumption of the
beverage. Hans has a nice shop, neat clean and orderly, so easy to locate
the perfect tool, nothing says love like a cordless drill, cutting torc
h, TIG torch or so many other appropriate gifts of suitable notoriety. Ha
nds full of nicopress sleeves gosh my hearts a pitter patter with the poss
ibilities.
How I do so look forward to the fleecing of the host ritual
and Please do not archive
Less Yawanna
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mil>
Thanks, Rick Holland. Your work is really nice!
Hi Rick Schreiber - I'm building per Hans' drawing and he's given you the
link. I ain't too proud to steal. Hans' design works for me because it'
s a direct replacement for the bungee setup.
John - Let me know when you're going to visit Hans. My hangar to his is
a nice flight and I haven't seen him in a while. Alternatively, you're
welcome in Austin if you've got the time and energy to drive the couple
of extra hours. I'd have tools waiting.
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
Not to be contrarian, but I don' think that's how copyright works.
Chad Willie is a longtime Pietenpoler. He is featured prominently in
Chet Peek's "The Pietenpol Story." He and his wife have an antique
aeroplane restoration/building business, webpages at:
http://stcroix.50webs.com/
Contact information:
Chad Wille
St. Croix Aircraft
(641) 322-4041
1139 State Hiway 148
Corning IA 50841
stcroixair@frontiernet.net
I don't know how up-to-date any of this is.
There was a long-ish discussion about Chad Willie back in 2006 on
this list. Search on "Chad Willie St Croix" as the subject and/or on
"Bill Sayre" as author.
HTH,
Jeff
>
>There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in
>front of me...
>
>The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be
>pretty complete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol
>blueprints (NOT bluelines) I purchased about a year ago. The plan
>set consists of three sheets, and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build
>instructions, along with disclaimers, etc. The full size rib layout
>for the lower wing is included.
>
>I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines,
>nor where to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright
>symbol, nor rights claimed, as with the Pietenpol plans, this would
>be considered public domain, and may be copied at will.
>
>Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of copying.
>
>--------
>Tom Kreiner
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Brenham on Saturday - Hans |
Barring anything unusual I'd like to join you, Hans. I should work on the gear
but the field-expedient repair is holding well so there should be no problem
with sneaking in 2 more landings (knock on wood).
You available Oscar? Tom? Tim?
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| Subject: | Brenham on Saturday - Hans |
Ok. I'm officially jealous!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brenham on Saturday - Hans
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Barring anything unusual I'd like to join you, Hans. I should work on the
gear but the field-expedient repair is holding well so there should be no
problem with sneaking in 2 more landings (knock on wood).
You available Oscar? Tom? Tim?
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| Subject: | Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans |
Nothing but a plane ticket, Gary...
:)
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| Subject: | Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans |
Which reminds me, Kevin, looks like I'm stuck in Dallas next week...short
trip. I'll keep you posted on the next trip to Texas...
Gary
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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 7:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans
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Nothing but a plane ticket, Gary...
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
A possibly more relevent measurement on mine is the distance from the from
the center of the front cabane attach bracket on the top longeron to the
Corvair rear engine mount bolt - 36".
To determine where my engine needed to end up I did a preliminary W&B on the
uncovered airframe with scrap iron for fuel tank/fuel weight then reversed
engineered where the engine needed to be.
rick
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 7:56 PM, skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>wrote:
> skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
>
> not sure if it will do you any good since mine is a GN-1 but it is 14" to
> the rear bolt.-tail actually ended up a little bit light. Raymond
>
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
But is there a flying Piet biplane?
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:35 AM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in front of
> me...
>
> The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be pretty
> complete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT
> bluelines) I purchased about a year ago. The plan set consists of three
> sheets, and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build instructions, along with
> disclaimers, etc. The full size rib layout for the lower wing is included.
>
> I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, nor
> where to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright symbol, nor
> rights claimed, as with the Pietenpol plans, this would be considered public
> domain, and may be copied at will.
>
> Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of
> copying.
>
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> Tom Kreiner
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
But is there a flying Piet biplane?
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:35 AM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in front of
> me...
>
> The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be pretty
> complete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT
> bluelines) I purchased about a year ago. The plan set consists of three
> sheets, and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build instructions, along with
> disclaimers, etc. The full size rib layout for the lower wing is included.
>
> I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, nor
> where to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright symbol, nor
> rights claimed, as with the Pietenpol plans, this would be considered public
> domain, and may be copied at will.
>
> Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of
> copying.
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308350#308350
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
There was one for sale on Barnstormers a while back. I seem to recall
that it had been de-listed in the FAA registry, that it was trucked
home, and during the move a wing got damaged pretty badly. The new
owner stopped in on the list to recount the tale. Not sure what
happened with it from there.
Dan
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On 08/11/2010 11:18 AM, Rick Holland wrote:
> But is there a flying Piet biplane?
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 7:35 AM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com
> <mailto:tkreiner@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:tkreiner@gmail.com>>
>
> There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in
> front of me...
>
> The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be
> pretty complete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol
> blueprints (NOT bluelines) I purchased about a year ago. The plan
> set consists of three sheets, and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build
> instructions, along with disclaimers, etc. The full size rib layout
> for the lower wing is included.
>
> I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines,
> nor where to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright
> symbol, nor rights claimed, as with the Pietenpol plans, this would
> be considered public domain, and may be copied at will.
>
> Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of
> copying.
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308350#308350
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> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
Bernard took his design from the Jenny which is a biwing so-I guess you c
ould =0Asay that every Jenny is a Pietenpol but why would you want to go ba
ck instead of =0Aforward?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Wed, August 11, 2010 9:05:23 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A l
ow-wing Pietenpol!=0A=0ANow we just need someone to come up with a Piet Bip
lane.=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Mike Wh
aley <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com> wrote:=0A=0AHi yall,=0A>=0A>I ran across this l
ittle article this evening while looking for something=0A>else, from Sport
Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry=0A>about the Piet
vs. Fly-Baby discussion too.=0A>=0A>-Mike=0A>=0A>Mike Whaley=0A>MerlinFAC@c
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
Remember we have the Pieten-38
At least on paper.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A low-wing Pietenpol!
Now we just need someone to come up with a Piet Biplane.
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On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Mike Whaley <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
Hi yall,
I ran across this little article this evening while looking for
something
else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent
inquiry
about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too.
-Mike
Mike Whaley
MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com
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| Subject: | where is everyone getting their Spruce at? |
The plans are on order! The money has been sent, now we just wait for the plans
to come to our door!!
Now, where is everyone buying their wood at? I see some one went to Aircraft spruce.
And that they offer a package, but it is missing the wood for the ribs?
I have also asked our local shop, and they said it would be $20 a board ft. So,
from the materials list I have, I think I came up with 100 bd ft. ? Is that right?
Here is the list i am referencing
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=72593
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
Dan wrote:
Clif,
That's a bad URL (I blame the folks in Redmond).
Can you tell us how to get the info from the main
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/menu.htm page?
Okay, here goes...
On the left side of the page click "Modes of Transportation"
Then, on the left side of the new page, click "Air Transportation"
Then, on the left side of THAT new page, click "Aircraft"
Then, on the left side of THAT new page, click "Aircraft Registration and Leasing"
Then, on the RIGHT side of THAT new page, click "Canadian Civil Aircraft Register"
This will direct you to a new site.
Click the link.
Then click "English".
Then, on the left side, click "Historical Register".
When the new page comes up, enter "GIXC" for the mark.
THAT will get you to the history of the mark C-GIXC that is seen on the tail of
the low-wing Pietenpol in the photo.
Clicking C-GIXC will bring up the data for the plane.
Phew!
Anyway, looking through that data, I see the reason why it looks so different -
It's not actually a Pietenpol... It's a GN-1. :)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? |
Wing rib material is best ordered from Aircraft Spruce. I ordered wood from
them recentely. Wing ribs take approx 630 running feet in 6 ft. sections.
That will be enough to cover tha tail feathers also.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: where is everyone getting their Spruce at?
>
> The plans are on order! The money has been sent, now we just wait for the
> plans to come to our door!!
> Now, where is everyone buying their wood at? I see some one went to
> Aircraft spruce. And that they offer a package, but it is missing the wood
> for the ribs?
> I have also asked our local shop, and they said it would be $20 a board
> ft. So, from the materials list I have, I think I came up with 100 bd ft.
> ? Is that right?
> Here is the list i am referencing
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=72593
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308397#308397
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| Subject: | Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? |
For buying sitka spruce, try McCormick Lumber in Madison, WI. You're in northern
Illinois, so it would be worth the trip. The last time I checked with them,
4/4 sitka was going for $9.00/ bd. ft. Now you will have to get it joined and
planed so get friendly with your local cabinetmaker. I'm on good terms with
ours, so when he does work like that, it usually cost me about a 12 pack of
Corona beer. Well worth it.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
cus it looks cool.
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:02 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote:
> Bernard took his design from the Jenny which is a biwing so I guess you
> could say that every Jenny is a Pietenpol but why would you want to go back
> instead of forward?
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wed, August 11, 2010 9:05:23 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: A low-wing Pietenpol!
>
> Now we just need someone to come up with a Piet Biplane.
>
> do not archive
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Mike Whaley <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi yall,
>>
>> I ran across this little article this evening while looking for something
>> else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent inquiry
>> about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> Mike Whaley
>> MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" rel=nofollow target=_blank>h
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Need Piet in LA for possible movie work |
My Piet is on the wire wheel gear with no covering, or wings.... or
engine.... in Santa Maria, Ca!!!!!
Dave
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:36 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work
It begs the question: if I were to let my Piet be used, why wouldn't I be
the one flying it?
(Purely out of curiosity, as our Piet is not flying to CA from IL for
movie work :P )
Ryan
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On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Baldeagle <baldeagle27@earthlink.net>
wrote:
<baldeagle27@earthlink.net>
Anybody in So. California got a Piet with open spoked wheels that they
would be willing to rent out for movie work? I would be the pilot, not sure
yet what the script requires.
-
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We noticed the discussion regarding the Pietenpol wood kits on the newsgroup, and
we found that our Pietenpol kit listings needed to be updated. We now have
all of the Pietenpol kits updated and listed on our website. Thanks for the builders
who posted their comments which brought this to our attention.
Aircraft Spruce
Customer Service Dept.
info@aircraftspruce.com
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| Subject: | Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? |
We do have a planer at my Dad's home shop, so we could plane our own stuff.
$9 sounds a lot better than $20.
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
Sign me up
John
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------Original Message------
From: tkreiner
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
Sent: Aug 11, 2010 9:35 AM
There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in front of me...
The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be pretty complete.
The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT bluelines) I purchased
about a year ago. The plan set consists of three sheets, and has 8 to
10 paragraphs of build instructions, along with disclaimers, etc. The full size
rib layout for the lower wing is included.
I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, nor where
to locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright symbol, nor rights claimed,
as with the Pietenpol plans, this would be considered public domain, and may
be copied at will.
Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of copying.
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | spark plug wires |
Hey listers, for you corvair engine guys, I am having trouble keeping the plug
wires connected. It seems that they are vibrating off or being blown off.
Anybody have a suggestion on how to secure them better.? I have 30 hours on the
plane now and the engine is running great. the temps are good and the trim is
fantastic. hands off and turns only with the rudder. After every flight I have
to open the cowl to make sure the plug wires are connected. This morning one was
loose. Cheers, Gardiner
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| Subject: | Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans |
Kevin,
I was just reminded that this Saturday, with both kids home from college, we're
celebrating our sons birthday - in Galveston, no less - and as a result, I'm
not going to be able to break away.
I'll take a rain check, however, just let me know when ya'll might be able to plan
another get together.
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| Subject: | Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? |
I buy all of my sitka from Public Lumber. Looks like they may be re-working
their web site, so call them.- Anyhoo, I buy all my sitka-in bulk, rou
gh cut boards in various sizes and make all my own pieces. I enjoy the extr
a work, so it made sense for me.-
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| Subject: | Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans |
No biggie, we'll swing by your shop for a look at the tools.
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Less Yawanna
------Original Message------
From: tkreiner
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans
Sent: Aug 11, 2010 8:10 PM
Kevin,
I was just reminded that this Saturday, with both kids home from college, we're
celebrating our sons birthday - in Galveston, no less - and as a result, I'm
not going to be able to break away.
I'll take a rain check, however, just let me know when ya'll might be able to plan
another get together.
Regards,
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| Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
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lovers of the blue
Stinkin dingleberry
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From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc@aol.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow
lovers of the blue
Mike
Thanks for your input and advice I appreciate your willingness to share your theoretical
information. Not to discredit you or you offering, I was really looking
for empirical information from people that have built and are flying their
projects to get a handle on what really works rather than theories up substantiated.
Dirty side reference to drag: not being any kind of expert I was trying to determine
which side of the wing has or is capable of operating best with the greatest
amount of drag created by attachments and if possible which side of the
wing could accommodate the most interference without compromising the wings performance.
Thanks again for your thoughts and theories. Btw are you an engineer?
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow
lovers of the blue
Well, you opened the door for me John, so here goes:
Dihedral: optimum amount performance vs aesthetics?
Forget Aesthetics here! Go for performance. Slight dihedral is good in my opinion.
I will have some on NX992WD. (Stability...good for hands off and long flights.)
Wings best lift and performance configuration for dirty on the bottom or on
top surface of the wingor does it matter?
Don't understand question.
Gap seal on the bottom of the wing using the lift side to hold the seal in
place or on top and secured by mechanical means.
Matters not. You just need to keep the air from flowing between the the two structures.
Again, using these is a performance gain. (I will have them in some form.)
Hinges home made or piano? Built in gap seal vs any additional Drag.
Aluminum piano. ALL of mine hinges are these. (See my HINT videos.) Light strong,
clean. Then gap seal as needed.
Elevator hinges again piano or Piet design? necessity of gap seal at
elevators?
Aluminum piano, use gap seal of some sort.
Tail sections joined for single horn or split as designed for dual
horn?
Split. This allows some differential adjustment if needed to trim plane in flight.
Elevator connection for single horn vs interference with rudder
operation?
Split elevators...interference problem solved.
Fellow lover of the blue and heavy Pietenpol modifier.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Well that is confusing as hell. You guys normally posted a wood package for the
Pietenpol Air Camper... now you only list four "kits" for the different sections
of the Pietenpol Air Camper, and none of them are linked to a bill of materials
that can be accessed and studied in order to confirm what the customer
is actually ordering. For example, what is included in that $931 "wing kit" that
is now listed? Does that include capstrip for wing ribs? If so, what are
guys suposed to do that have already built or acquired ribs? Search for individual
items to complete the wings? Whew! Not the end of the world, but another
challenge for an individual that might have just chosen to purchase your old
wood package.
I'm not sure how well those packages will go over. If I remember correctly, the
old wood package was compiled quite some time ago and there are many notes out
there that reference that "no capstrip or plywood" package. The contents of
the original package is right on according to many past builders, and I am enjoying
the fact that some of the guess work is eliminated when following the
instruction of veteran builders that have used your wood package. In fact, it
is one of the main reasons I purchased your package. I mean, have you guys tried
to build one of these from the plans?
I suppose things can change, but I certainly can't recommend what you are currently
offering since I have no idea what it includes. I would like to suggest
that you offer the original package along with those "kits" you are offering.
In addition to that... publish a bill of materials (similar to the GN-1 package)
so people can know what they are looking at.
Perhaps you know best what it is that your customer wants, but it seems like you
might not want to mess with something that many people have said is a "no-brainer"
when it comes to wood selection. Lots of people like to acquire their
wood in different ways, but I'm sure that many would choose to pay a little extra
to know they have good quality components cut to the sizes they require.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1@gmail.com. I know he doesn't
have kit prices yet, but he has wood...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Well that is confusing as hell. You guys normally posted a wood package for
the Pietenpol Air Camper... now you only list four "kits" for the different
sections of the Pietenpol Air Camper, and none of them are linked to a bill
of materials that can be accessed and studied in order to confirm what the
customer is actually ordering. For example, what is included in that $931
"wing kit" that is now listed? Does that include capstrip for wing ribs?
If so, what are guys suposed to do that have already built or acquired ribs?
Search for individual items to complete the wings? Whew! Not the end of
the world, but another challenge for an individual that might have just
chosen to purchase your old wood package.
I'm not sure how well those packages will go over. If I remember correctly,
the old wood package was compiled quite some time ago and there are many
notes out there that reference that "no capstrip or plywood" package. The
contents of the original package is right on according to many past
builders, and I am enjoying the fact that some of the guess work is
eliminated when following the instruction of veteran builders that have used
your wood package. In fact, it is one of the main reasons I purchased your
package. I mean, have you guys tried to build one of these from the plans?
I suppose things can change, but I certainly can't recommend what you are
currently offering since I have no idea what it includes. I would like to
suggest that you offer the original package along with those "kits" you are
offering. In addition to that... publish a bill of materials (similar to the
GN-1 package) so people can know what they are looking at.
Perhaps you know best what it is that your customer wants, but it seems like
you might not want to mess with something that many people have said is a
"no-brainer" when it comes to wood selection. Lots of people like to
acquire their wood in different ways, but I'm sure that many would choose to
pay a little extra to know they have good quality components cut to the
sizes they require.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
How could you not know how to contact C Willie?? To anyone at Brodhead it w
as hard to avoid him between him flying the Scout and the Aeronca C3 and Go
d knows what else. Chad Willie is a permanent fixture . . .
Gene
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A low-wing Pietenpol!
From: at7000ft@gmail.com
But is there a flying Piet biplane?
On Wed=2C Aug 11=2C 2010 at 7:35 AM=2C tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
There already IS a Piet biplane=2C and I have a copy of the plans in front
of me...
The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille=2C and appears to be pretty com
plete. The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT blueline
s) I purchased about a year ago. The plan set consists of three sheets=2C
and has 8 to 10 paragraphs of build instructions=2C along with disclaimers
=2C etc. The full size rib layout for the lower wing is included.
I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated=2C as they are bluelines=2C no
r where to locate C. Wille=2C but=2C since there is no copyright symbol=2C
nor rights claimed=2C as with the Pietenpol plans=2C this would be conside
red public domain=2C and may be copied at will.
Let me know if anyone is interested=2C and I'll check into the cost of copy
ing.
--------
Tom Kreiner
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers=2C that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: spark plug wires |
Are you using the WW recommended wires Gardiner? (Accel 5041 from Summit
Racing). Mine are so hard to remove that I bust knuckles every time I have
to pull one off, can't imagine one coming off by itself.
Glad your Piet is performing so well, I wish my only problem now was a loose
spark plug wire.
rick
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:57 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Hey listers, for you corvair engine guys, I am having trouble keeping the
> plug
> wires connected. It seems that they are vibrating off or being blown off.
> Anybody have a suggestion on how to secure them better.? I have 30 hours on
> the
> plane now and the engine is running great. the temps are good and the trim
> is
> fantastic. hands off and turns only with the rudder. After every flight I
> have
> to open the cowl to make sure the plug wires are connected. This morning
> one was
> loose. Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: spark plug wires |
I am using these connectors that were used on old out board motors that loo
k =0Alike a spring with two ends that stick out and into the rubber of the
boot and =0Athen the cable wire just butts up against it.The spring holds s
o tight to the =0Aplug that I can hardly get it off the end of the plug pul
ling as hard as I can.I =0Aordered them through an out fit called Kabuto.Th
ey make small construction =0Aequipment.Anyway ,I haven't found anything st
ronger for holding the cable wire =0Aonto the plugs than these .They come w
ith thier own boot but I used slightly =0Alarger ones than the ones they pr
ovided and it still works extremely well and =0Athey were not expensive.-
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: airlion <airlion@be
llsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, August 11, 201
0 7:57:03 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: spark plug wires=0A=0A--> Pietenpol
-List message posted by: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>=0A=0AHey listers,
for you corvair engine guys, I am having trouble keeping the plug =0Awires
connected. It seems that they are vibrating off or being blown off. =0AAnyb
ody have a suggestion on how to secure them better.? I have 30 hours on the
=0Aplane now and the engine is running great. the temps are good and the t
rim is =0Afantastic. hands off and turns only with the rudder. After every
flight I have =0Ato open the cowl to make sure the plug wires are connected
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Jack,
-
Can you please give me a call.
-
Ken H.
701-793-3030
-
--- On Wed, 10/7/09, jack@textors.com <jack@textors.com> wrote:
From: jack@textors.com <jack@textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spring Gear
All,
Can you assist with a question on spring gear?- The attached photo is fro
m Tony's book.- He states that the slot is 1 3/4" long.- Does that soun
d like enough travel?
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: A low-wing Pietenpol! |
http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/2/CCARCS/aspscripts/en/menu.asp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A low-wing Pietenpol!
>
> Clif,
>
> That's a bad URL (I blame the folks in Redmond).
>
> Can you tell us how to get the info from the main
> http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/menu.htm page?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
> On 08/11/2010 01:10 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
>>
>> Here's the data from the historical search base of Transport
>> Canada;
>> http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/history.asp
>>
>>
>>> Hi yall,
>>>
>>> I ran across this little article this evening while looking for
>>> something
>>> else, from Sport Aviation, Feb. 82. Kinda fits in with the recent
>>> inquiry
>>> about the Piet vs. Fly-Baby discussion too.
>>>
>>> -Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
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| Subject: | Can AC registration |
Oops, sorry, I planned to send that link to myself to test it.
Oh well, try it anyway. I'll see what else I can come up with.
Clif
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| Subject: | Re: Can AC registration |
Clif,
-
Care to visit and help a fellow builder with a fuselage material list? I am
making a few changes and need some help in reading plans to determine mate
rial list and dimensional sizing.
-
Ken Heide
701-793-3030
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--- On Wed, 8/11/10, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can AC registration
Oops, sorry, I planned to send that link to myself to test it.
Oh well, try it anyway. I'll see what else I can come up with.
Clif
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Can AC registration |
I'd love it. Unfortunately you're in North Dakota and I'm on
the West Coast of British Columbia in Vancouver.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Can AC registration
Clif,
Care to visit and help a fellow builder with a fuselage material
list? I am making a few changes and need some help in reading plans to
determine material list and dimensional sizing.
Ken Heide
701-793-3030
--- On Wed, 8/11/10, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can AC registration
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 11:36 PM
Oops, sorry, I planned to send that link to myself to test it.
Oh well, try it anyway. I'll see what else I can come up with.
Clif
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