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1. 04:50 AM - Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (j_dunavin)
2. 05:01 AM - Re: spark plug wires (airlion)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (Ben Charvet)
4. 06:25 AM - Re: Corvair motor mount (kevinpurtee)
5. 06:27 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (Michael Perez)
6. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? (Michael Perez)
7. 06:43 AM - Public Lumber sitka intell. (Michael Perez)
8. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: Corvair motor mount (Richard Schreiber)
9. 06:59 AM - Finally an honest man (TOM STINEMETZE)
10. 06:59 AM - Re: Public Lumber Sitka intell. (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
11. 07:30 AM - Re: Corvair motor mount (coxwelljon)
12. 07:32 AM - Re: Finally an honest man (kevinpurtee)
13. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Corvair motor mount (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
14. 08:01 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers ... (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
15. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Corvair motor mount (Rick Holland)
16. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Corvair motor mount (Rick Holland)
17. 08:34 AM - Re: Corvair motor mount (kevinpurtee)
18. 08:35 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers ... (Ryan Mueller)
19. 08:47 AM - Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (coxwelljon)
20. 08:49 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (Ryan Mueller)
21. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: Corvair motor mount (Brad Larson)
22. 09:14 AM - Re: Corvair motor mount (coxwelljon)
23. 09:22 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers ... (Michael Perez)
24. 09:35 AM - Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers ... (Jim Markle)
25. 09:38 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (Michael Perez)
26. 09:43 AM - Re: spark plug wires (Rick Holland)
27. 09:56 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers ... (coxwelljon)
28. 10:05 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers ... (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
29. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers ... (Michael Perez)
30. 10:34 AM - Re: Finally an honest man (K5YAC)
31. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Finally an honest man (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
32. 10:44 AM - Re: Public Lumber sitka intell. (j_dunavin)
33. 11:02 AM - Re: Public Lumber sitka intell. (j_dunavin)
34. 11:42 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (Jack Phillips)
35. 11:56 AM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (Ben Charvet)
36. 12:04 PM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers... (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
37. 12:08 PM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lover... (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
38. 12:10 PM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers of the blue (H RULE)
39. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Corvair motor mount (Jim Boyer)
40. 12:21 PM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers... (H RULE)
41. 12:52 PM - Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers ... (BYD)
42. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers ... (Tim Willis)
43. 03:51 PM - fuel tank (Richard Schreiber)
44. 04:41 PM - cooling "eyebrow" sizing (Douwe Blumberg)
45. 05:39 PM - Re: Corvair motor mount (VanDy)
46. 06:01 PM - Re: Corvair motor mount (coxwelljon)
47. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Corvair motor mount (Gary Boothe)
48. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers ... (Michael Perez)
49. 06:21 PM - Re: cooling "eyebrow" sizing (coxwelljon)
50. 06:31 PM - Got an engine! (Kringle)
51. 06:39 PM - Brenham on Saturday - Hans (Oscar Zuniga)
52. 06:39 PM - Re: Got an engine! (VanDy)
53. 06:46 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Gary Boothe)
54. 06:47 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Rick Holland)
55. 06:50 PM - Re: fuel tank (Rick Holland)
56. 07:04 PM - Re: Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers ... (Rick Holland)
57. 07:38 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Ryan Mueller)
58. 07:44 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Rick Holland)
59. 07:47 PM - lee bottoms fly-in sept (shad bell)
60. 08:14 PM - A-7 Mag Switch (TriScout)
61. 10:18 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Billy McCaskill)
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Subject: | Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? |
I think that my dad would also enjoy that aspect of it. How much do you figure
your paying per board ft.? (though public lumber)
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Subject: | Re: spark plug wires |
Rick, I do not have the accel wires. Only the ones that William sent me. If I
order them will I be able to slip them thru the plastic plate that attaches to
the baffling? Gardiner. PS How close are you to flying?
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From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 10:26:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spark plug wires
Are you using the WW recommended wires Gardiner? (Accel 5041 from Summit
Racing). Mine are so hard to remove that I bust knuckles every time I have to
pull one off, can't imagine one coming off by itself.
Glad your Piet is performing so well, I wish my only problem now was a loose
spark plug wire.
rick
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:57 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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>Hey listers, for you corvair engine guys, I am having trouble keeping the plug
>wires connected. It seems that they are vibrating off or being blown off.
>Anybody have a suggestion on how to secure them better.? I have 30 hours on the
>plane now and the engine is running great. the temps are good and the trim is
>fantastic. hands off and turns only with the rudder. After every flight I have
>to open the cowl to make sure the plug wires are connected. This morning one
was
>loose. Cheers, Gardiner
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Subject: | Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? |
If you don't mind using Douglas Fir and own a planer you could do what I
did. I carefully selected appropriate boards from the select Douglas
Fir section at Lowe's (took multiple trips). I bought 1x6 boards,
planed them to 1/2 inch thick, then ripped 1/4 inch strips off to make
my cap strips. I started out making test ribs with red cedar just for
fun. My entire Piet is douglas fir and came in at 692 pounds. The EAA
book on building with wood has a real good section on selecting wood,
and would be a good read before you go to the lumberyard, no matter what
you decide. Those cedar test ribs are now hanging in my hangar, my
office, etc, and make a great conversation starter.
Ben Charvet
Long Fuse, A-65
43 hours on the Hobbs
Taking the wife flying this morning
On 8/11/2010 5:52 PM, j_dunavin wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "j_dunavin"<j_dunavin@hotmail.com>
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> We do have a planer at my Dad's home shop, so we could plane our own stuff.
> $9 sounds a lot better than $20.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
14 1/4" firewall to rear bolt holes. Long fuselage, no offset. Wing sets back
4".
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers of the blue
Agreed, my plane is not complete. I fully understand that you want real wor
ld answers, as I seek the same.
If I may however, some of my statements are factual. For instance, dihedral
will render high wing AC more stable. A stable AC has a better chance of f
lying straight and level with little to no input from the pilot, which make
s for a more relaxing long trip.
Gap seals just need to fill a gap.
Short section of piano hinge will be lighter then the as drawn steel hinges
. Then you gap seal between them. You'll need a gap seal with the as drawn
hinges anyway. To use full length piano for the gap seal just adds weight.
As stated by someone else, gap seals on all control surfaces are beneficial
.
With respect, I am not trying to argue, I was, in fact trying to shed some
light on your questions from ways that others may not have considered.
For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18 years
) Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician.- I worked 6 years at ou
r NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC.- I am an A&P.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: where is everyone getting their Spruce at? |
I can back to you with real numbers, (at work now with no receipts) but I remember
it being very, cheap. The guys there that I have dealt with have been very
helpful and would even plane down the wider sides some at no charge. (just to
clean them up a little...final planning still needs to be done.) I have been
quite pleased with them and will continue to buy from them until something changes.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
I think that my dad would also enjoy that aspect of it. How much do you figure
your paying per board ft.? (though public lumber)
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Subject: | Public Lumber sitka intell. |
For those interested, I just called Public Lumber to get the status on their sitka.
They are currently out of sitka boards. They have a large shipment coming
next week. I asked for a ball park price for 1" X 8" X 10'. I was told to figure
about $7.00 a board foot. Now granted this price changes with thickness and
width. Anyhoo, for those interested call Craig at 313-891-7125
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
Thanks for the info Kevin.
I hope to get my tray welded up today and start on the rest of the mount.
Yesterday I got my crank back and its ready to install. After seven years
on this project this is getting to be an exciting time.
For those that care I've attached a photo of the fuselage ready for wheels
and the engine.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
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> [Original Message]
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/12/2010 8:28:18 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
>
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> 14 1/4" firewall to rear bolt holes. Long fuselage, no offset. Wing
sets back 4".
>
> --------
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308490#308490
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Subject: | Finally an honest man |
I am glad to report that finally, after 5-years of building, I have become
an official Pietenpol Air Camper builder. I received my copy of "The
Great Waldo Pepper" (TGWP to ya'll) in the mail last night. I am so
excited I can't spit. NOW I can appreciate what those folks in Wichita
would pay $20 to $25 to see.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
(Not so far from Wichita actually and it only cost me $22 including
shipping)
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Subject: | Public Lumber Sitka intell. |
Here in Utah I paid $7.00 a board ft from MacBeth Hardwoods our local
supplier for Sitka Spruce. They carry rough cut 2x6, 1x6, 1x12 up to
16ft lengths with nice tight vertical grain. The $20 bft that someone
mentioned seems a little pricey.
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Public Lumber sitka intell.
For those interested, I just called Public Lumber to get the status on
their sitka. They are currently out of sitka boards. They have a large
shipment coming next week. I asked for a ball park price for 1" X 8" X
10'. I was told to figure about $7.00 a board foot. Now granted this
price changes with thickness and width. Anyhoo, for those interested
call Craig at 313-891-7125
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
Mine is a GN-1 also and not flying yet. The previous builder set the rear holes
at 15" from the face of the firewall. I am working on lightening up the tail
so I may have to move the engine back a bit. Mine is hand propped with stock
oil cooler and filter. Wynn suggests that minimum for this is 10 1/2" so I
have a little to play with but a lot of work to change.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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Subject: | Re: Finally an honest man |
Tom - Shelley & I got it through Netflix and watched it a couple of days ago.
Got caught up on all the references. Lots of fun.
Axel:)
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
Looking good Rick, nice progress, I guess its been a while since I have
seen her!
John
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In a message dated 8/12/2010 9:53:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lmforge@earthlink.net writes:
Thanks for the info Kevin.
I hope to get my tray welded up today and start on the rest of the mount.
Yesterday I got my crank back and its ready to install. After seven years
on this project this is getting to be an exciting time.
For those that care I've attached a photo of the fuselage ready for wheels
and the engine.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
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> [Original Message]
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/12/2010 8:28:18 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
>
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> 14 1/4" firewall to rear bolt holes. Long fuselage, no offset. Wing
sets back 4".
>
> --------
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308490#308490
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers ...
Mike,
Thanks, impressive credentials I am humbled. And I do appreciate your
follow up and willingness to share.
Thanks again and not being argumentative, always nice to know the source of
ones information. My own experience has shown a great disparity between
reasonable theory and actual performance which is the reason I was looking
for hard data. I guess there is none to be had.
There is always the issue of too much or too little at both ends of the
optimum performance curve which was the nature of my quire. Not weather it
was beneficial but how much provides the optimum performance and what or
where is the point of diminishing return?
Having looked at wings and observed many configurations in flight I
noticed that the top side of the wing on many aircraft appear to be clean and
free of obstructive control devices, horns and extraneous stuff , while the
underside is cluttered with control horns, cables, drop tanks etc. By
observation only one could surmise that the top surface should remain the surface
that is least obstructed. Or does it really make a difference and that
lower surface of the win is used out of convenience rather then optimal
performance. That distills down to: If one had a choice to interfere with a wing
surface due to adding fitting, controls, horns etc which surface would be
better to hang or set junk on. The upper surface normally not obstructed or
lower, normally chuck full of junk hanging from it or conversely does it
really matter?
I will admit I know very little about it and was hoping the collective
intelligence could give me an answer on that issue as it relates to the
optimization of wing surfaces and induce drag components through interferences.
Doe that explain my position better and are you able to provide answers in
that light as to the flight characteristics of the Piet and Piet wing? If I
am going to build it I want it to have the best performance possible and
would like to know how to do that.
John
In a message dated 8/12/2010 9:27:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
speedbrake@sbcglobal.net writes:
Agreed, my plane is not complete. I fully understand that you want real
world answers, as I seek the same.
If I may however, some of my statements are factual. For instance,
dihedral will render high wing AC more stable. A stable AC has a better chance
of
flying straight and level with little to no input from the pilot, which
makes for a more relaxing long trip.
Gap seals just need to fill a gap.
Short section of piano hinge will be lighter then the as drawn steel
hinges. Then you gap seal between them. You'll need a gap seal with the as drawn
hinges anyway. To use full length piano for the gap seal just adds weight.
As stated by someone else, gap seals on all control surfaces are
beneficial.
With respect, I am not trying to argue, I was, in fact trying to shed some
light on your questions from ways that others may not have considered.
For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18
years) Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked 6 years at
our NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC. I am an A&P.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
Are you nose or tail heavy Jon? If the tail needs lightened wouldn't you
want to move the engine forward? (I know you can't move the wing back).
rick
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:29 AM, coxwelljon <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>wrote:
> coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>
> Mine is a GN-1 also and not flying yet. The previous builder set the rear
> holes at 15" from the face of the firewall. I am working on lightening up
> the tail so I may have to move the engine back a bit. Mine is hand propped
> with stock oil cooler and filter. Wynn suggests that minimum for this is 10
> 1/2" so I have a little to play with but a lot of work to change.
>
> Jon Coxwell
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308503#308503
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
Nice fuel tank Rick, just the way mine is setup (that ash Model-A mount
cross-member does come in handy doesn't it?) What is your capacity?
rick
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>wrote:
> Thanks for the info Kevin.
>
> I hope to get my tray welded up today and start on the rest of the mount.
> Yesterday I got my crank back and its ready to install. After seven years
> on this project this is getting to be an exciting time.
>
> For those that care I've attached a photo of the fuselage ready for wheels
> and the engine.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso IN
>
> do not archive
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 8/12/2010 8:28:18 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
> >
> <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> >
> > 14 1/4" firewall to rear bolt holes. Long fuselage, no offset. Wing
> sets back 4".
> >
> > --------
> > Kevin Purtee
> > NX899KP
> > Austin/Georgetown, TX
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308490#308490
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
I betcha the capacity of the tank is more than the capacity of his bladder!:)
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers ...
Hi John,
I think you are overthinking this. Many of the fittings on a high wing
aircraft will be on the bottom of the wing....because the rest of the
airplane the wing is connecting to is underneath it. With that being said, I
think you would have the biggest, brightest snowflake yet if you can figure
out how to attach your wing/cabane struts on the topside of your wing. :)
One other thing to consider: anything that bolts, fastens, or is otherwise
attached or connected to the wing is something that you may have to inspect,
tighten, loosen, remove, or install at some point during the life of the
airplane, whether for regular inspection and maintenance, to repair damage,
etc. If you put it on the top of the wing on a high wing airplane that just
makes it that much more difficult for you to do any of those things.
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:00 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Thanks, impressive credentials I am humbled. And I do appreciate your
> follow up and willingness to share.
>
> Thanks again and not being argumentative, always nice to know the source of
> ones information. My own experience has shown a great disparity between
> reasonable theory and actual performance which is the reason I was looking
> for hard data. I guess there is none to be had.
>
> There is always the issue of too much or too little at both ends of the
> optimum performance curve which was the nature of my quire. Not weather it
> was beneficial but how much provides the optimum performance and
> what or where is the point of diminishing return?
>
> Having looked at wings and observed many configurations in flight I noticed
> that the top side of the wing on many aircraft appear to be clean and free
> of obstructive control devices, horns and extraneous stuff , while the
> underside is cluttered with control horns, cables, drop tanks etc. By
> observation only one could surmise that the top surface should remain the
> surface that is least obstructed. Or does it really make a difference and
> that lower surface of the win is used out of convenience rather then optimal
> performance. That distills down to: If one had a choice to interfere with a
> wing surface due to adding fitting, controls, horns etc which surface would
> be better to hang or set junk on. The upper surface normally not obstructed
> or lower, normally chuck full of junk hanging from it or conversely does it
> really matter?
>
> I will admit I know very little about it and was hoping the collective
> intelligence could give me an answer on that issue as it relates to the
> optimization of wing surfaces and induce drag components through
> interferences.
>
>
> Doe that explain my position better and are you able to provide answers in
> that light as to the flight characteristics of the Piet and Piet wing? If I
> am going to build it I want it to have the best performance possible and
> would like to know how to do that.
>
> John
>
>
> In a message dated 8/12/2010 9:27:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> speedbrake@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> Agreed, my plane is not complete. I fully understand that you want real
> world answers, as I seek the same.
>
> If I may however, some of my statements are factual. For instance, dihedral
> will render high wing AC more stable. A stable AC has a better chance of
> flying straight and level with little to no input from the pilot, which
> makes for a more relaxing long trip.
>
> Gap seals just need to fill a gap.
>
> Short section of piano hinge will be lighter then the as drawn steel
> hinges. Then you gap seal between them. You'll need a gap seal with the as
> drawn hinges anyway. To use full length piano for the gap seal just adds
> weight.
>
> As stated by someone else, gap seals on all control surfaces are
> beneficial.
>
> With respect, I am not trying to argue, I was, in fact trying to shed some
> light on your questions from ways that others may not have considered.
>
> For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18
> years) Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked 6 years at
> our NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC. I am an A&P.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
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>
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> ====================================ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: If I knew then what I know now.... |
[quote="Amsafetyc"]I did, except I used the 1/2 staples, worked great. I epoxied
over them to keep them in place rather than try pulling the out of the indention
and making a big mess out of my wood. I figured seal them in air tight so
no chance of rust and done.
Not exactly the same as building ribs, but I built a wood strip canoe where the
planking was stapled to the frames and then the staples removed to lift the shell
off the frames. I used a hand insulation stapler with staples long enough
to penetrate the 1/4" planking plus some penetration in to the frames. I taped
a thin cardboard shim just behind where the staple exits the stapler so the
staple was not set tight to the wood and could be easily removed with a thin
screwdriver or similar. If you are using epoxy glue you don't need a lot of
pressure, only something to keep the pieces you are gluing from moving out of
place in relation to each other.
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GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers of the blue
Jack can chime in on this, as he flew our one-piece-winged-no-dihedral Piet
from Tennessee to Brodhead, but ours doesn't feel unstable in the air when I
flew it. I think the general consensus I would draw from what I have heard
from other Piet flyers is that dihedral on a Pietenpol does not that much
effect, and that it is more important to have a properly rigged airplane if
you want it to be stable and fly well. If you want to add dihedral to avoid
the "droopy wingtip" optical illusion go right ahead, but the airplane
doesn't need it to fly well.
>For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18
years) Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked 6 years at
our NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC. I am an A&P.
I'm just asking out of confusion, as I think I missed something from before.
Are you a mechanical engineering technician, or a mechanical engineer? Also,
flying various AC at NASA.....flying, or flying in? I thought you didn't
have your pilot's license yet? Forgive me for being absentminded on this....
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Agreed, my plane is not complete. I fully understand that you want real
> world answers, as I seek the same.
>
> If I may however, some of my statements are factual. For instance, dihedral
> will render high wing AC more stable. A stable AC has a better chance of
> flying straight and level with little to no input from the pilot, which
> makes for a more relaxing long trip.
>
> Gap seals just need to fill a gap.
>
> Short section of piano hinge will be lighter then the as drawn steel
> hinges. Then you gap seal between them. You'll need a gap seal with the as
> drawn hinges anyway. To use full length piano for the gap seal just adds
> weight.
>
> As stated by someone else, gap seals on all control surfaces are
> beneficial.
>
> With respect, I am not trying to argue, I was, in fact trying to shed some
> light on your questions from ways that others may not have considered.
>
> For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18
> years) Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked 6 years at
> our NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC. I am an A&P.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
Where I fly you need to have enough capacity to get out... and back
without refuelling. I might fly out 1-2 hours (spend some time on the
ground) and then fly back (usually fighting a stiff wind at least one of
the directions).
In North Dakota... "If you don't fly in wind, you don't fly."
Brad.
kevinpurtee wrote:
>
> I betcha the capacity of the tank is more than the capacity of his bladder!:)
>
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> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
I know what you mean. I used to fly in eastern Montana. Had one unhappy incident
with not enough fuel while returning to Billings, MT
Jon Coxwell
blarson(at)meridianhouse. wrote:
> Where I fly you need to have enough capacity to get out... and back
> without refuelling. I might fly out 1-2 hours (spend some time on the
> ground) and then fly back (usually fighting a stiff wind at least one of
> the directions).
>
> In North Dakota... "If you don't fly in wind, you don't fly."
>
> Brad.
>
> kevinpurtee wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I betcha the capacity of the tank is more than the capacity of his bladder!:)
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > --------
> > Kevin Purtee
> > NX899KP
> > Austin/Georgetown, TX
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308518#308518
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers ...
" If am =0Agoing to build it I want it to have the best performance possibl
e and would like =0Ato know how to do that."
You sir, hit the nail right on the head as far as I am concerned! I am in t
he same boat. (plane, I guess...)
"Not weather it =0Awas beneficial but how much provides the optimum perform
ance and =0Awhat-or-where is the point of diminishing return?"
This I can't answer as we know my plane is not finished. Only those with fl
ight time can be of assistance here. (That was your original intent with as
king in the first place. I get that now!)
"My own experience has shown a great disparity between =0Areasonable theory
and actual performance which is the reason I was looking for =0Ahard data.
"
Again, can't agree with you more!- I may very well find out that with all
my "improvements" that my plane will blow. Period. It all may look good on
paper, look good on the plane, be light weight and all that...but fly like
a rock, or not at all!
"There is always the issue of too much or too little at both ends of- =0A
the optimum performance curve which was the nature of my quire. "
Understood.
Your dirty wing question...The top of the wing should be as clean as you ca
n keep it. For the best lift on any given air foil you need laminar flow...
that is that the air flows on top of the wing surface cleanly, unobstructed
and attached. Air flow that disengages from the surface is now turbulence
and drag. (drag has no lift)
The bottom of our wing does not provide lift.- The concave shape provides
a means for allowing the air flow to stay attached some, but there are bet
ter designed wing bottoms for sure. A curved surface of some sort will be b
etter then a purely flat surface for laminar flow. Flat surfaces, (no curve
of any type) will have a hard time, if at all, keeping the airflow attache
d to it.- This is a long winded answer to say this: Ideally, you would wa
nt your wings as clean as you can get them, top and bottom. But, if you nee
d something "hanging in the breeze" put it underneath. If by the design of
the plane, you have no choice, then, you have no choice. The tops of our Pi
etenpols with no wing mounted fuel tank is very clean, minus the two contro
l horns for the ailerons.- By the way, the shape of the control horns are
not only for strength...that air foil/curved shape cuts down on turbulence
. (A wing flying vertically, if you will.)
Apart from wings, I am sure you have noticed all those fittings hanging out
from the fuselage for landing gear and wing struts, the fittings hanging o
ut of the bottom of the wing for the wing struts, etc.- Some type of fair
ing would make those locations more aerodynamic. Would it make a difference
? Not sure, but I am willing to try it and see. Another consideration....Tr
y to keep as many of those turnbuckles inside the fuselage as you can. No n
eed to have them out at the control horns on the control surfaces creating
drag!- Those large thimbles and nicropress fittings are draggy as well, b
ut I fully understand that swage-on fittings are just too much $$.
OK, now I am getting too chatty, but I hope to have helped a little with so
me back ground intell. and some other things to ponder. You seem to be tryi
ng to do what I am as far as performance, so maybe we can help each other.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers |
...
Doe that explain my position better and are you able to provide answers in
that light as to the flight characteristics of the Piet and Piet wing? If I am
going to build it I want it to have the best performance possible and would like
to know how to do that.
John
Not to muddy up the waters any more...but....you mention "flight characteristics
of the Piet and Piet wing"....is this a Piet wing? Are ALL specs from "THE"
Piet wing being built or have aileron/chord/airfoil changes been made? Many
of our "Piet wings" aren't, actually. Changing wing characteristics/design parameters
can easily invalidate some of our experiences.
If ANY of the above types of changes are, made I would strongly recommend getting
more than "how does this work for everyone else?" answers because it's no longer
"like everyone else's"...like maybe having "your" design looked at by an
engineer.
I would think that things like dihedral will have different impacts on different
effective designs.
Again, just thoughts for IF you've made any changes to the design/layout/dimensions/etc.
jm
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers of the blue
Ryan, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician...NOT a mechanical Engineer.
I do a lot of design work of my own, but those designs then get tested and
approved prior to use or implementation. (I love machining, by the way.)
- I do my own calculations as well, but basic stuff, the more in depth st
uff is left to the pros.-
I do not have a pilots license of any type. I have flow in, (and around...z
ero G ) all of our AC at that time. I have actually flown, from the rear se
at, (OV-10 Broncos) or right seat, (Twin Otter, Lear-25, etc.)- I did the
most of my actual flying in the OV-10s doing aerobatics and hard G pulls a
s part of our research. (Lot's of cross sticking, rudder, cool stuff!) Thos
e planes were great because ours were still in the green cammo. that we got
them in, had twin engines, twin tail, twin turbo props and ejection seats.
(What's not to like?)- I was actually run qualified and taxi qualified o
n all of our Broncos.The times that I was not actually at the controls in t
he other AC, I was mechanical tech running the experiments, test subject, o
r just along for the ride.
Sorry, sounds like I am bragging, but it has been a long time and to re-liv
e those thoughts gets me wound up.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: spark plug wires |
Yes Gardiner, you assemble the distributor size boots yourself so you can
insert one end of each wire through before assembling.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ACC-5041K/
I have my fuselage finished, just need to cover and paint the wings so
probably fly next Spring.
good luck
rick
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 6:00 AM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Rick, I do not have the accel wires. Only the ones that William sent me. If
> I order them will I be able to slip them thru the plastic plate that
> attaches to the baffling? Gardiner. PS How close are you to flying?
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wed, August 11, 2010 10:26:43 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: spark plug wires
>
> Are you using the WW recommended wires Gardiner? (Accel 5041 from Summit
> Racing). Mine are so hard to remove that I bust knuckles every time I have
> to pull one off, can't imagine one coming off by itself.
>
> Glad your Piet is performing so well, I wish my only problem now was a
> loose spark plug wire.
>
> rick
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:57 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey listers, for you corvair engine guys, I am having trouble keeping the
>> plug
>> wires connected. It seems that they are vibrating off or being blown off.
>> Anybody have a suggestion on how to secure them better.? I have 30 hours
>> on the
>> plane now and the engine is running great. the temps are good and the trim
>> is
>> fantastic. hands off and turns only with the rudder. After every flight I
>> have
>> to open the cowl to make sure the plug wires are connected. This morning
>> one was
>> loose. Cheers, Gardiner
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>>
>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ==========
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> le, List Admin.
>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
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>
>
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers ...
Another consideration....Try to keep as many of those turnbuckles inside the fuselage
as you can. No need to have them out at the control horns on the control
surfaces creating drag! Those large thimbles and nicropress fittings are draggy
as well, but I fully understand that swage-on fittings are just too much $$.
I agree with the location of turnbuckles especially on the tail. Putting them
on the other end of the cable moves the weight closer to the CG and gets them
inside where the produce less drag. As for the nicropress fittings, there was
a good article in one of the EAA publications last fall about hand wrapping cable
connections and soldering them. The author tested them to destruction and
found the connection stronger than the cable. They were much prettier and streamlined
than the nicropress connection and much less expensive than the swage
on fittings.
Jon Coxwell
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GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers ...
never changed the wing design or structure all according to the plans
In a message dated 8/12/2010 12:36:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jim_markle@mindspring.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Doe that explain my position better and are you able to provide answers in
that light as to the flight characteristics of the Piet and Piet wing? If
I am
going to build it I want it to have the best performance possible and
would like
to know how to do that.
John
Not to muddy up the waters any more...but....you mention "flight
characteristics of the Piet and Piet wing"....is this a Piet wing? Are ALL specs
from "THE" Piet wing being built or have aileron/chord/airfoil changes been
made? Many of our "Piet wings" aren't, actually. Changing wing
characteristics/design parameters can easily invalidate some of our experiences.
If ANY of the above types of changes are, made I would strongly recommend
getting more than "how does this work for everyone else?" answers because
it's no longer "like everyone else's"...like maybe having "your" design
looked at by an engineer.
I would think that things like dihedral will have different impacts on
different effective designs.
Again, just thoughts for IF you've made any changes to the
design/layout/dimensions/etc.
jm
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers ...
Good intell. on the- cable fittings Jon.- I'll have to check out that a
ssembly process. Really good point on the CG with the turn buckles...anothe
r good reason to move them!
(Nice to see you recycle, sir!)
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Finally an honest man |
Now, that's a start... the real trick is to watch it dozens of times to ensure
you have it all memorized. That way, you are ready to pull out a "nice to meet
you Mr. Brown" or "fourflusher" comment on a moments notice. It really is the
only language most of these guys recognize.
If you ever hear something said, or read something written that really doesn't
make any sense, just assume that it is from TGWP. Most of the time you will be
right.
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Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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Subject: | Re: Finally an honest man |
keep it comin Scooter
Do not archive
In a message dated 8/12/2010 1:34:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hangar10@cox.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Now, that's a start... the real trick is to watch it dozens of times to
ensure you have it all memorized. That way, you are ready to pull out a
"nice to meet you Mr. Brown" or "fourflusher" comment on a moments notice. It
really is the only language most of these guys recognize.
If you ever hear something said, or read something written that really
doesn't make any sense, just assume that it is from TGWP. Most of the time
you will be right.
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Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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Subject: | Re: Public Lumber sitka intell. |
The $20 a board ft. was from a local shop here... and yes it would seem that is
very expensive. Needless to say, i am not going with them.
Good info on the public lumber place!!
As a side note, it turns out that my dad knows two others who are also just in
the "plans" stage and have not yet bought any wood. I am going to try and get
all of us together, and buy all of our wood at once.... maybe get a bulk discount.
:)
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Subject: | Re: Public Lumber sitka intell. |
oh I just thought about this.....
Public is selling for around $7 a board ft. and is located in MI
McCormick is selling for $9.50 and is located in Madison WI.
Since i am located in Northern IL I suppose that McCormik's would be better since
I would not have to pay for shipping, and i could inspect the wood as I bought
it.
McCormik did say no on the group buy though :(
Maybe they would change their mind, if we showed up with three pick up trucks
8)
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Subject: | Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers of the blue
My Piet has a slight amount of dihedral - about 1" per side, to prevent the
droopy wing look you are supposed to get with a straight wing (I can't say
I've ever thought they looked droopy). As Ryan said, I flew his straight
(one piece) winged Pietenpol for about 500 miles and found it to be as
stable as mine (not that this is saying much). In general, Piet's aren't
noted for flying hands off in any but the smoothest air. I suspect the
amount of dihedral necessary to achieve true stability would make the plane
look like a giant scale free-flight model.
Quit worrying about trying to make it stable - that's what the stick is for.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and
fellow lovers of the blue
Jack can chime in on this, as he flew our one-piece-winged-no-dihedral Piet
from Tennessee to Brodhead, but ours doesn't feel unstable in the air when I
flew it. I think the general consensus I would draw from what I have heard
from other Piet flyers is that dihedral on a Pietenpol does not that much
effect, and that it is more important to have a properly rigged airplane if
you want it to be stable and fly well. If you want to add dihedral to avoid
the "droopy wingtip" optical illusion go right ahead, but the airplane
doesn't need it to fly well.
>For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18
years) Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked 6 years at
our NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC. I am an A&P.
I'm just asking out of confusion, as I think I missed something from before.
Are you a mechanical engineering technician, or a mechanical engineer? Also,
flying various AC at NASA.....flying, or flying in? I thought you didn't
have your pilot's license yet? Forgive me for being absentminded on this....
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Agreed, my plane is not complete. I fully understand that you want real
world answers, as I seek the same.
If I may however, some of my statements are factual. For instance, dihedral
will render high wing AC more stable. A stable AC has a better chance of
flying straight and level with little to no input from the pilot, which
makes for a more relaxing long trip.
Gap seals just need to fill a gap.
Short section of piano hinge will be lighter then the as drawn steel hinges.
Then you gap seal between them. You'll need a gap seal with the as drawn
hinges anyway. To use full length piano for the gap seal just adds weight.
As stated by someone else, gap seals on all control surfaces are beneficial.
With respect, I am not trying to argue, I was, in fact trying to shed some
light on your questions from ways that others may not have considered.
For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18 years)
Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked 6 years at our
NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC. I am an A&P.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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lovers of the blue
Mine is about the same as Jack's. It will fly for a short period hands
off. It is important to have some adjustment in your lift struts to get
the trim set correctly, and that took one adjustment after the plane was
flying. Don't spend too much time trying to improve a proven design!
Ben
On 8/12/2010 2:41 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> My Piet has a slight amount of dihedral -- about 1" per side, to
> prevent the droopy wing look you are supposed to get with a straight
> wing (I can't say I've ever thought they looked droopy). As Ryan
> said, I flew his straight (one piece) winged Pietenpol for about 500
> miles and found it to be as stable as mine (not that this is saying
> much). In general, Piet's aren't noted for flying hands off in any
> but the smoothest air. I suspect the amount of dihedral necessary to
> achieve true stability would make the plane look like a giant scale
> free-flight model.
>
> Quit worrying about trying to make it stable -- that's what the stick
> is for.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan
> Mueller
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:48 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors
> and fellow lovers of the blue
>
> Jack can chime in on this, as he flew our one-piece-winged-no-dihedral
> Piet from Tennessee to Brodhead, but ours doesn't feel unstable in the
> air when I flew it. I think the general consensus I would draw from
> what I have heard from other Piet flyers is that dihedral on a
> Pietenpol does not that much effect, and that it is more important to
> have a properly rigged airplane if you want it to be stable and fly
> well. If you want to add dihedral to avoid the "droopy wingtip"
> optical illusion go right ahead, but the airplane doesn't need it to
> fly well.
>
> >For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18
> years) Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked 6
> years at our NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC.
> I am an A&P.
>
> I'm just asking out of confusion, as I think I missed something from
> before. Are you a mechanical engineering technician, or a mechanical
> engineer? Also, flying various AC at NASA.....flying, or flying in? I
> thought you didn't have your pilot's license yet? Forgive me for being
> absentminded on this....
>
> Have a good day,
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Michael Perez
> <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net <mailto:speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
> Agreed, my plane is not complete. I fully understand that you want
> real world answers, as I seek the same.
>
> If I may however, some of my statements are factual. For instance,
> dihedral will render high wing AC more stable. A stable AC has a
> better chance of flying straight and level with little to no input
> from the pilot, which makes for a more relaxing long trip.
>
> Gap seals just need to fill a gap.
>
> Short section of piano hinge will be lighter then the as drawn steel
> hinges. Then you gap seal between them. You'll need a gap seal with
> the as drawn hinges anyway. To use full length piano for the gap seal
> just adds weight.
>
> As stated by someone else, gap seals on all control surfaces are
> beneficial.
>
> With respect, I am not trying to argue, I was, in fact trying to shed
> some light on your questions from ways that others may not have
> considered.
>
> For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18
> years) Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked 6
> years at our NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC.
> I am an A&P.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com <http://www.karetakeraero.com>
>
> * *
> * *
> **
> **
> **
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> **
> **
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lovers...
Thanks Jack, purely aesthetics no real benefit so minimal is good to avoid
the wet noodle or sad sack look but nothing more, I'll work to that end.
Thanks
John
Been waiting fir ya to chime in, thanks for the confirmation
In a message dated 8/12/2010 2:43:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
My Piet has a slight amount of dihedral =93 about 1=9D per si
de, to prevent
the droopy wing look you are supposed to get with a straight wing (I can
=99t
say I=99ve ever thought they looked droopy). As Ryan said, I flew
his
straight (one piece) winged Pietenpol for about 500 miles and found it to
be as
stable as mine (not that this is saying much). In general, Piet=99
s aren=99t
noted for flying hands off in any but the smoothest air. I suspect the
amount of dihedral necessary to achieve true stability would make the pla
ne look
like a giant scale free-flight model.
Quit worrying about trying to make it stable =93 that=99s wha
t the stick is
for.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
____________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Muell
er
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and
fellow lovers of the blue
Jack can chime in on this, as he flew our one-piece-winged-no-dihedral
Piet from Tennessee to Brodhead, but ours doesn't feel unstable in the ai
r
when I flew it. I think the general consensus I would draw from what I ha
ve
heard from other Piet flyers is that dihedral on a Pietenpol does not tha
t
much effect, and that it is more important to have a properly rigged airp
lane
if you want it to be stable and fly well. If you want to add dihedral to
avoid the "droopy wingtip" optical illusion go right ahead, but the airpl
ane
doesn't need it to fly well.
>For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18
years) Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked 6 years
at
our NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC. I am an A&
P.
I'm just asking out of confusion, as I think I missed something from
before. Are you a mechanical engineering technician, or a mechanical engi
neer?
Also, flying various AC at NASA.....flying, or flying in? I thought you
didn't have your pilot's license yet? Forgive me for being absentminded
on
this....
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Michael Perez <_speedbrake@sbcglobal.net_
(mailto:speedbrake@sbcglobal.net) > wrote:
Agreed, my plane is not complete. I fully understand that you want real
world answers, as I seek the same.
If I may however, some of my statements are factual. For instance,
dihedral will render high wing AC more stable. A stable AC has a better
chance of
flying straight and level with little to no input from the pilot, which
makes for a more relaxing long trip.
Gap seals just need to fill a gap.
Short section of piano hinge will be lighter then the as drawn steel
hinges. Then you gap seal between them. You'll need a gap seal with the
as drawn
hinges anyway. To use full length piano for the gap seal just adds weight
.
As stated by someone else, gap seals on all control surfaces are
beneficial.
With respect, I am not trying to argue, I was, in fact trying to shed som
e
light on your questions from ways that others may not have considered.
For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18
years) Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked 6 years
at
our NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC. I am an A&P
.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
_www.karetakeraero.com_ (http://www.karetakeraero.com/)
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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lover...
just looking for the best without too much experimentation, more willing
to
learn from the experience of others. Unless they be a forflusher then all
bets are off,
"it shoulda been me"
Thanks
John
In a message dated 8/12/2010 2:56:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bencharvet@gmail.com writes:
Mine is about the same as Jack's. It will fly for a short period hands
off. It is important to have some adjustment in your lift struts to get
the
trim set correctly, and that took one adjustment after the plane was
flying. Don't spend too much time trying to improve a proven design!
Ben
On 8/12/2010 2:41 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
My Piet has a slight amount of dihedral =93 about 1=9D per si
de, to prevent
the droopy wing look you are supposed to get with a straight wing (I can
=99t
say I=99ve ever thought they looked droopy). As Ryan said, I flew
his
straight (one piece) winged Pietenpol for about 500 miles and found it to
be as
stable as mine (not that this is saying much). In general, Piet=99
s aren=99t
noted for flying hands off in any but the smoothest air. I suspect the
amount of dihedral necessary to achieve true stability would make the plan
e
look like a giant scale free-flight model.
Quit worrying about trying to make it stable =93 that=99s wha
t the stick is
for.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
____________________________________
From: _owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)
[mailto:_owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpo
l-list-server@matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of Ryan
Mueller
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and
fellow lovers of the blue
Jack can chime in on this, as he flew our one-piece-winged-no-dihedral
Piet from Tennessee to Brodhead, but ours doesn't feel unstable in the ai
r
when I flew it. I think the general consensus I would draw from what I ha
ve
heard from other Piet flyers is that dihedral on a Pietenpol does not tha
t
much effect, and that it is more important to have a properly rigged airp
lane
if you want it to be stable and fly well. If you want to add dihedral to
avoid the "droopy wingtip" optical illusion go right ahead, but the airpl
ane
doesn't need it to fly well.
>For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18
years) Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked 6 years
at
our NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC. I am an A&
P.
I'm just asking out of confusion, as I think I missed something from
before. Are you a mechanical engineering technician, or a mechanical engi
neer?
Also, flying various AC at NASA.....flying, or flying in? I thought you
didn't have your pilot's license yet? Forgive me for being absentminded
on
this....
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Michael Perez <_speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
_
(mailto:speedbrake@sbcglobal.net) > wrote:
Agreed, my plane is not complete. I fully understand that you want real
world answers, as I seek the same.
If I may however, some of my statements are factual. For instance,
dihedral will render high wing AC more stable. A stable AC has a better
chance of
flying straight and level with little to no input from the pilot, which
makes for a more relaxing long trip.
Gap seals just need to fill a gap.
Short section of piano hinge will be lighter then the as drawn steel
hinges. Then you gap seal between them. You'll need a gap seal with the
as drawn
hinges anyway. To use full length piano for the gap seal just adds weight
.
As stated by someone else, gap seals on all control surfaces are
beneficial.
With respect, I am not trying to argue, I was, in fact trying to shed som
e
light on your questions from ways that others may not have considered.
For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18
years) Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked 6 years
at
our NASA hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC. I am an A&P
.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
_www.karetakeraero.com_ (http://www.karetakeraero.com/)
_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/)
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href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma
tro
nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co
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lovers of the blue
Put in some anhedral for that fighter plane effect.Common guys wer'e out th
ere =0Alookin for the Red Baron not going for a pleasure flights!!!!We have
to take the =0AHun out the air!Ya don't want to be fallin asleep at the st
ick!Prime those guns!=0A=0Ado not archive=C2-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>=0ATo: pieten
pol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, August 12, 2010 2:55:50 PM=0ASubject: R
e: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow =0Alov
ers of the blue=0A=0AMine is about the same as Jack's.=C2- It will fly fo
r a short period hands off.=C2- It =0Ais important to have some adjustmen
t in your lift struts to get the trim set =0Acorrectly, and that took one a
djustment after the plane was flying.=C2- Don't spend =0Atoo much time tr
ying to improve a proven design!=0A=0ABen=0AOn 8/12/2010 2:41 PM, Jack Phil
lips wrote: =0AMy Piet has a slight amount of dihedral =93 about 1
=9D per side, to prevent the =0Adroopy wing look you are supposed to get
with a straight wing (I can=99t say I=99ve =0Aever thought the
y looked droopy).=C2- As Ryan said, I flew his straight (one piece) =0Awi
nged Pietenpol for about 500 miles and found it to be as stable as mine (no
t =0Athat this is saying much).=C2- In general, Piet=99s aren
=99t noted for flying hands off =0Ain any but the smoothest air.=C2- I su
spect the amount of dihedral necessary to =0Aachieve true stability would m
ake the plane look like a giant scale free-flight =0Amodel.=0A>=C2-=0A>Qu
it worrying about trying to make it stable =93 that=99s what th
e stick is for.=0A>=C2-=0A>Jack Phillips=0A>NX899JP=0A>Raleigh, NC=0A>=C2
-=0A>=0A________________________________=0A=0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-
server@matronics.com =0A>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller=0A>Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:48 AM=0A>
builders, engineers,advisors and fellow =0A>lovers of the blue=0A>=C2-=0A
>Jack can chime in on this, as he flew our one-piece-winged-no-dihedral Pie
t from =0A>Tennessee to Brodhead, but ours doesn't feel unstable in the air
when I flew it. =0A>I think the general consensus I would draw from what I
have heard from other =0A>Piet flyers is that dihedral on a Pietenpol does
not that much effect, and that =0A>it is more important to have a properly
rigged airplane if you want it to be =0A>stable and fly well. If you want
to add dihedral to avoid the "droopy wingtip" =0A>optical illusion go right
ahead, but the airplane doesn't need it to fly well.=0A>=C2-=0A>>For the
record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18 years) =0A>>
Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. =C2-I worked 6 years at o
ur NASA =0A>>hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC. =C2-I am
an A&P.=0A>I'm just asking out of confusion, as I think I missed something
from before. Are =0A>you a=C2-mechanical engineering technician, or=C2
-a mechanical engineer? Also, flying =0A>various AC at NASA.....flying, o
r flying in? I thought you didn't have your =0A>pilot's license yet? Forgiv
e me for being absentminded on this....=0A>=C2-=0A>Have a good day,=0A>
=C2-=0A>Ryan=0A>=C2-=0A>On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Michael Perez
<speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> =0Awrote:=0A>Agreed, my plane is not complete. I
fully understand that you want real world =0A>answers, as I seek the same.
=0A>=0A>=0A>If I may however, some of my statements are factual. For insta
nce, dihedral will =0A>render high wing AC more stable. A stable AC has a b
etter chance of flying =0A>straight and level with little to no input from
the pilot, which makes for a =0A>more relaxing long trip.=0A>=0A>Gap seals
just need to fill a gap. =0A>=0A>Short section of piano hinge will be light
er then the as drawn steel hinges. =0A>Then you gap seal between them. You'
ll need a gap seal with the as drawn hinges =0A>anyway. To use full length
piano for the gap seal just adds weight.=0A>=0A>As stated by someone else,
gap seals on all control surfaces are beneficial.=0A>=0A>With respect, I am
not trying to argue, I was, in fact trying to shed some light =0A>on your
questions from ways that others may not have considered.=0A>=0A>For the rec
ord, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18 years) =0A>Plus
4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician.=C2- I worked 6 years at our NA
SA =0A>hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC.=C2- I am an A&
P.=0A>Michael Perez=0A>Karetaker Aero=0A>www.karetakeraero.com =0A> =C2-
=0A> =C2-=0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>http://
forums.matronics.com=0A>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A> =C2-=0A
> =0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://w
ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A> href="http://forums.matron
ics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
Hi Brad,
Having learned how to fly and flying many years in NE South Dakota (Waterto
wn, ATY)=C2-that is what we always told people; "if you don't fly in the
wind you don't fly".
Jim
do not archive
In North Dakota... "If you don't fly in wind, you don't fly."
Brad.
kevinpurtee wrote:
.mil>
>
> I betcha the capacity of the tank is more than the capacity of his bladde
r!:)
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308518#308518
>
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers...
Ya,I guess ya don't don't want to have that F22 Raptor look eh.;-)=0Ado not
archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "AMsafetyC@
aol.com" <AMsafetyC@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu
, August 12, 2010 3:04:32 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dear sage build
ers, engineers,advisors and fellow =0Alovers...=0A=0AThanks Jack, purely ae
sthetics no real benefit so minimal is good to avoid the =0Awet noodle or s
ad sack look but nothing more, I'll work to that end. =0A=0A=0AThanks=0A=0A
John=0A=0ABeen waiting fir ya to chime in, thanks for the confirmation=0A
=0AIn a message dated 8/12/2010 2:43:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =0Apiet
flyr@bellsouth.net writes:=0AMy Piet has a slight amount of dihedral
=93 about 1=9D per side, to prevent the =0Adroopy wing look you are s
upposed to get with a straight wing (I can=99t say I=99ve =0Aev
er thought they looked droopy).=C2- As Ryan said, I flew his straight (on
e piece) =0Awinged Pietenpol for about 500 miles and found it to be as stab
le as mine (not =0Athat this is saying much).=C2- In general, Piet
=99s aren=99t noted for flying hands off =0Ain any but the smoothest
air.=C2- I suspect the amount of dihedral necessary to =0Aachieve true st
ability would make the plane look like a giant scale free-flight =0Amodel.
=0A>=C2-=0A>Quit worrying about trying to make it stable =93 that
=99s what the stick is for.=0A>=C2-=0A>Jack Phillips=0A>NX899JP=0A>
Raleigh, NC=0A>=C2-=0A>=0A________________________________=0A=0A>From:own
er-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: =0A>owner-pietenpol-list-se
rver@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller=0A>Sent: Thursday, August 12
, 2010 11:48 AM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenp
ol-List: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow =0A>lovers of th
e blue=0A>=C2-=0A>Jack can chime in on this, as he flew our one-piece-win
ged-no-dihedral Piet from =0A>Tennessee to Brodhead, but ours doesn't feel
unstable in the air when I flew it. =0A>I think the general consensus I wou
ld draw from what I have heard from other =0A>Piet flyers is that dihedral
on a Pietenpol does not that much effect, and that =0A>it is more important
to have a properly rigged airplane if you want it to be =0A>stable and fly
well. If you want to add dihedral to avoid the "droopy wingtip" =0A>optica
l illusion go right ahead, but the airplane doesn't need it to fly well.=0A
>=C2-=0A>>For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NAS
A. (18 years) =0A>>Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician. =C2-I
worked 6 years at our NASA =0A>>hangar working on, modifying and flying var
ious AC. =C2-I am an A&P.=0A>I'm just asking out of confusion, as I think
I missed something from before. Are =0A>you a=C2-mechanical engineering
technician, or=C2-a mechanical engineer? Also, flying =0A>various AC at N
ASA.....flying, or flying in? I thought you didn't have your =0A>pilot's li
cense yet? Forgive me for being absentminded on this....=0A>=C2-=0A>Have
a good day,=0A>=C2-=0A>Ryan=0A>=C2-=0A>On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:20 AM,
Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> =0Awrote:=0A>Agreed, my plane is
not complete. I fully understand that you want real world =0A>answers, as I
seek the same. =0A>=0A>=0A>If I may however, some of my statements are fac
tual. For instance, dihedral will =0A>render high wing AC more stable. A st
able AC has a better chance of flying =0A>straight and level with little to
no input from the pilot, which makes for a =0A>more relaxing long trip.=0A
>=0A>Gap seals just need to fill a gap. =0A>=0A>Short section of piano hing
e will be lighter then the as drawn steel hinges. =0A>Then you gap seal bet
ween them. You'll need a gap seal with the as drawn hinges =0A>anyway. To u
se full length piano for the gap seal just adds weight.=0A>=0A>As stated by
someone else, gap seals on all control surfaces are beneficial.=0A>=0A>Wit
h respect, I am not trying to argue, I was, in fact trying to shed some lig
ht =0A>on your questions from ways that others may not have considered.=0A>
=0A>For the record, I am a Mechanical Engineering Technician at NASA. (18 y
ears) =0A>Plus 4 years US Navy as an Avionics Technician.=C2- I worked 6
years at our NASA =0A>hangar working on, modifying and flying various AC.
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers ...
> Try to keep as many of those turnbuckles inside the fuselage as you can. No need
to have them out at the control horns on the control surfaces creating drag!
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lovers ...
Please keep that invention under wraps until April 1st.
do not archive--- shhhhh!
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>From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com>
>Sent: Aug 12, 2010 2:51 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow
lovers ...
>
>
>
>> Try to keep as many of those turnbuckles inside the fuselage as you can. No
need to have them out at the control horns on the control surfaces creating drag!
>
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>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Rick,
The tank holds exactly 19 gallons. I made a cardboard mockup to check fit and clearance.
There is plenty of room for the front passenger and the rudder pedals.
The slope on the tank is great enough that the sump won't unport in a high
climb angle. During construction I put in two fore/aft baffles.
Attached is a side view drawing of the tank showing the relation to the fuselage
floor, the firewall and the top longeron.
Rick Schreiber
VPZ N5936D
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Subject: | cooling "eyebrow" sizing |
Is there a formula for figuring out the size of the cooling eyebrows? I've
seen some that look pretty small and tight and some that look a bit like
dragonfly wings. Is there a minimum opening size?
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
Just measured mine "Grandpa's" its 10.5' from firewall to the rear bolt, the Fuselage
is 14'6" long, not sure if thats the long or short fuse... and the wing
is back 6" from straight up. Grandpa said its a little nose heavy, but the
great thing about the wing that far back is when it rains the drops from the
wing miss the cockpit :)
Once i get it recovered i'll be doing another weight and balance to set it up best
for me, at 200lbs, as a point of reference when gpa built the Piet in '76
he was 6'6" and 275 pounds.
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
Are you nose or tail heavy Jon? If the tail needs lightened wouldn't you want to
move the engine forward? (I know you can't move the wing back).
Rick,
You are absolutely right. Thanks for pointing that out. I really do not know
if I am nose or tail heavy. The previous builder had the plane assembled with
the engine prior to doing any covering. In fact he used the plane as a test
bed to run in the engine. Unfortunately he did not have any data on weight taken
at that time. My reading tells me that many Piets are tail heavy and GN-1's
even more so due to the heavier fuselage structure behind the cockpit. Previous
builders of my project did not cut corners with weight. Bolt sizes are
generally one size larger, some wood members oversized, 1" unrouted, unsanded
spars, landing gear cross members are heavier than plans, etc. With all of this
I am eliminating as much weight as possible where I can without starting new
and paying special attention to the areas behind the cockpit as they have a
long lever arm. I am thinking that I need to take some time before winter and
assemble everything just for a temporary W&B. In my case since I plan to use
the engine location as my balancer.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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Subject: | Re: Corvair motor mount |
That's an exciting step, Rick! Looking good...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:49 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
Thanks for the info Kevin.
I hope to get my tray welded up today and start on the rest of the mount.
Yesterday I got my crank back and its ready to install. After seven years on
this project this is getting to be an exciting time.
For those that care I've attached a photo of the fuselage ready for wheels
and the engine.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
do not archive
> [Original Message]
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/12/2010 8:28:18 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
>
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
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> 14 1/4" firewall to rear bolt holes. Long fuselage, no offset. Wing
sets back 4".
>
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> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers ...
... or, you could do that...
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 8/12/10, BYD <billsayre@ymail.com> wrote:
From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fel
low lovers ...
> Try to keep as many of those turnbuckles inside the fuselage as you can.
No need to have them out at the control horns on the control surfaces creat
ing drag!
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le, List Admin.
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Subject: | Re: cooling "eyebrow" sizing |
Depends on your engine. William Wynn suggests that for the corvair 3.5" x 9" is
a little too big. In his manual he says this is what he has on his Piet but
would make them 25% smaller if doing it again as it runs a little too cool. If
you are using a C65 then I would look at a J-3 or an old Aeronca and copy what
they used. These planes would be about the same speed as the Piet and would
have similar cooling.
Jon Coxwell
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GN-1 Builder
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Purchased a corvair engine tonight and hauled it home. It came with a few extra
parts he wanted to get rid of. I'll start tearing it apart tomorrow.
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Subject: | Brenham on Saturday - Hans |
>Barring anything unusual I'd like to join you, Hans
>You available Oscar? Tom? Tim?
My airplane is over at Bulverde (1T8) getting its
condition inspection at the moment. I don't expect to
see a long list of squawks from it, but I do know that
I have one cooling eyebrow mounting tab that is cracked
through and I'll need to replace it. Not sure what
else besides the usual lube/inspect/adjust type stuff.
Brenham is about 2 hrs. flying time from Bulverde, so
it's not impossible... just unlikely.
Brenham is home of the world-famous Blue Bell ice cream,
too. Oh, and my cousin Jenny and her family live there ;o)
do not archive
Evan F. Yawanna
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
congrats! looks like a good start! Mine is all out in the open now if you want
to come by and take a look, the Hobb's meter says it has about 400 hours on mine,
I mean Gpa's :) )
And i might know where a few spare parts are laying if you need anything let me
know, and i'll go see what i can scrounge up
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...and the fun begins!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Got an engine!
Purchased a corvair engine tonight and hauled it home. It came with a few
extra parts he wanted to get rid of. I'll start tearing it apart tomorrow.
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Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
Ugly as hell and yet beautiful at the same time (especially if you have been
looking for a while). Nice work.
rick
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Purchased a corvair engine tonight and hauled it home. It came with a few
> extra parts he wanted to get rid of. I'll start tearing it apart tomorrow.
>
> --------
> John
>
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Wow, 19 gal. I thought mine was big at 17 gal. Nice bit of welding.
rick
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>wrote:
> Rick,
>
> The tank holds exactly 19 gallons. I made a cardboard mockup to check fit
> and clearance. There is plenty of room for the front passenger and the
> rudder pedals. The slope on the tank is great enough that the sump won't
> unport in a high climb angle. During construction I put in two fore/aft
> baffles.
>
> Attached is a side view drawing of the tank showing the relation to the
> fuselage floor, the firewall and the top longeron.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> VPZ N5936D
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow |
lovers ...
If your turnbuckles are inside the fuse remember to add access covers of
some kind to allow safety wiring after final assembly.
rick
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:56 AM, coxwelljon <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>wrote:
> coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>
> Another consideration....Try to keep as many of those turnbuckles inside
> the fuselage as you can. No need to have them out at the control horns on
> the control surfaces creating drag! Those large thimbles and nicropress
> fittings are draggy as well, but I fully understand that swage-on fittings
> are just too much $$.
>
> I agree with the location of turnbuckles especially on the tail. Putting
> them on the other end of the cable moves the weight closer to the CG and
> gets them inside where the produce less drag. As for the nicropress
> fittings, there was a good article in one of the EAA publications last fall
> about hand wrapping cable connections and soldering them. The author tested
> them to destruction and found the connection stronger than the cable. They
> were much prettier and streamlined than the nicropress connection and much
> less expensive than the swage on fittings.
>
> Jon Coxwell
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
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Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
Ah, nice and crusty. One of the first things I would suggest you start doing
is soaking the upper head nuts with penetrating oil. Wet them down, take a
few other pieces off the engine, wet them down again, and repeat that
process over and over. Your goal is to get those nuts off without having the
studs turn. When it comes time to remove those nuts, I've found that
clamping a pair of vise grips tightly at the base of the stud (all the way
down by the crankcase) and using that to try to hold the stud as you turn
the nut off can help. You wouldn't think that you would be able to get
enough of a grip for that to work, but it actually does help. We used that
method on the last core we tore down, and it helped immensely.
Good luck, and have fun.
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Purchased a corvair engine tonight and hauled it home. It came with a few
> extra parts he wanted to get rid of. I'll start tearing it apart tomorrow.
>
> --------
> John
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
WW recommends Kroil for loosening those rusty nuts. I let mine soak for many
days before trying to loosen them.
rick
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah, nice and crusty. One of the first things I would suggest you start
> doing is soaking the upper head nuts with penetrating oil. Wet them down,
> take a few other pieces off the engine, wet them down again, and repeat that
> process over and over. Your goal is to get those nuts off without having the
> studs turn. When it comes time to remove those nuts, I've found that
> clamping a pair of vise grips tightly at the base of the stud (all the way
> down by the crankcase) and using that to try to hold the stud as you turn
> the nut off can help. You wouldn't think that you would be able to get
> enough of a grip for that to work, but it actually does help. We used that
> method on the last core we tore down, and it helped immensely.
>
> Good luck, and have fun.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Purchased a corvair engine tonight and hauled it home. It came with a few
>> extra parts he wanted to get rid of. I'll start tearing it apart tomorrow.
>>
>> --------
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>>
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Subject: | lee bottoms fly-in sept |
Is anyone planning on going to the Lee Bottoms "Wood Fabric and Tailwheels"
fly-in, on sept 25th?- If our baby is born before then and we are all se
ttled in I might try and make it.- The wife did not shoot me down yet so
there is a chance.- It is only about 170 miles or so,- I would leave fr
iday mid day or so and come home around mid afternon on saturday the 25th.
- Never been, but have wanted to for a few years now.
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Anyone know where to search for an antique magneto switch? (i.e. A-7 wwII style,
cub or aeronca-style). Thx
Larry (Dallas)
GN-1 N2308C
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Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
I second Rick's recommendation of Kroil. Great stuff, I use it frequently when
doing gunsmithing on old guns with years of accumulated rust and crud. Can be
a bit hard to find locally, my second choice for a penetrating oil would be
PB Blaster, available in the automotive section at WalMart. This stuff also works
great on rusty nuts and bolts, though it smells a lot worse than Kroil does.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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