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1. 02:34 AM - Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept (jeff Faith)
2. 02:47 AM - Re: Got an engine! (Kelly Klaus)
3. 03:47 AM - Re: A-7 Mag Switch (Jerry Dotson)
4. 04:37 AM - Lee Bottom event in late Sept. (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
5. 05:14 AM - Re: A-7 Mag Switch (Ben Charvet)
6. 05:29 AM - Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept (Bill Church)
7. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept (Gary Boothe)
8. 06:19 AM - Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept (Richard Schreiber)
9. 06:42 AM - number of coats of finish on wood? (Dan Yocum)
10. 06:45 AM - Re: cooling "eyebrow" sizing (hvandervoo@aol.com)
11. 06:58 AM - Re: number of coats of finish on wood? (Jack Phillips)
12. 07:38 AM - Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept (Perry Rhoads)
13. 07:40 AM - Re: A-7 Mag Switch (TriScout)
14. 07:41 AM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle)
15. 08:08 AM - Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans (Tim Willis)
16. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept (Dan Yocum)
17. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Rick Holland)
18. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Jim Boyer)
19. 08:50 AM - Re: Got an engine! (Bill Church)
20. 11:30 AM - Penetrating oil comparison (Jerry Dotson)
21. 11:36 AM - Re: home brew products and or methods (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
22. 11:40 AM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (H RULE)
23. 12:11 PM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Rick Holland)
24. 12:43 PM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Jeff Boatright)
25. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Jack)
26. 01:05 PM - Someone Else's Wings (Gary Boothe)
27. 01:11 PM - YouTube: home brew products and or methods (Jim Markle)
28. 01:14 PM - Re: Someone Else's Wings (Jack Phillips)
29. 01:57 PM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Dan P)
30. 04:44 PM - Re: Someone Else's Wings (Jack)
31. 04:46 PM - Re: number of coats of finish on wood? (Greg Cardinal)
32. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (H RULE)
33. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (H RULE)
34. 07:21 PM - plans messures (giacummo)
35. 10:58 PM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Billy McCaskill)
36. 11:06 PM - Re: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept |
If I still have the 120, I'll be there ....it really is a great fly in...an
d a really short ride from louisville ..jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
Congrats Kringle! Getting my engine was an experience. I found the seller on Craigslist
aprox. 45 miles from me.Last February I set off one Sunday morning toting
my tools and pulled it from the car by my self. What fun!
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| Subject: | Re: A-7 Mag Switch |
I kept a watch on ebay and eventually found one at my price. A lot of the time
they are bid out of reach for a scrounger.
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/Aviation-Parts-/26435/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A1171&_dmpt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_sop=10&_sc=1
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Lee Bottom event in late Sept. |
I'm planning on being there Shad. http://www.leebottom.com/
I hope you get to go. It is an AMAZING event that is really in a gorgeous setting.
Owners Rich and Ginger are good folks who own the airport. She's tailwheel rated
and has flown Stearmans, Cubs, had her own RV-3......you name it. Just a nice
gathering
but be sure to sign up for Lee Bottom's web page news to get the APPROACH guidelines-----they
don't mess around there like we saw (did...guilty) at Bhead.
They have great organizational skills and you'll see some very pretty old taildraggers
there.
Mike C.
http://www.leebottom.com/
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| Subject: | Re: A-7 Mag Switch |
I've seen a few on e-Bay. It is nice to have a keyed switch though.
Ben
On 8/12/2010 11:14 PM, TriScout wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TriScout"<apfelcyber@yahoo.com>
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> Anyone know where to search for an antique magneto switch? (i.e. A-7 wwII style,
cub or aeronca-style). Thx
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> Larry (Dallas)
> GN-1 N2308C
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| Subject: | Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept |
Quick show of hands from all the Dads out there:
Who thinks that Shad will be attending "If our baby is born before then and we
are all settled in" ? :)
Actually, if the baby is born in August, you might be able to make it to the Lee
Bottom fly-in ... in 2015 .
Just kidding, Shad (sort of).
All the best to you and your wife. Enjoy whatever spare time you have right now.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept |
Shad,
She doesn't need you to have the baby. Go flying....time to establish the
'rules' right now...that's what I would do...:-O
Gary Boothe (divorced from my children's mother)
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 5:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept
Quick show of hands from all the Dads out there:
Who thinks that Shad will be attending "If our baby is born before then and
we are all settled in" ? :)
Actually, if the baby is born in August, you might be able to make it to the
Lee Bottom fly-in ... in 2015 .
Just kidding, Shad (sort of).
All the best to you and your wife. Enjoy whatever spare time you have right
now.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | lee bottoms fly-in sept |
Shad:
I plan on going. I'll be flying down form VPZ in my Tripacer on Friday and leaving
on Saturday or Sunday. My Wife and I flew in for Sinful Sundae last Sunday.
We came in late figuring we would be too late for lunch, but still be able to
get ice cream. As we got close we kept hearing call after call for Lee Bottom
on the radio. As we got closer we started to see multiple planes in front of
us coming into the pattern. As we turned final we had 3 planes in front of us
on final and 1 more behind us on downwind. I estimate there were at least 125
planes on the ground while we were there.
For those that might go, here are some photos
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
Sent: 8/12/2010 9:48:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: lee bottoms fly-in sept
Is anyone planning on going to the Lee Bottoms "Wood Fabric and Tailwheels" fly-in,
on sept 25th? If our baby is born before then and we are all settled in
I might try and make it. The wife did not shoot me down yet so there is a chance.
It is only about 170 miles or so, I would leave friday mid day or so and
come home around mid afternon on saturday the 25th. Never been, but have wanted
to for a few years now.
Shad
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| Subject: | number of coats of finish on wood? |
Hi builders,
How many coats of finish (poly-u or varnish) did you put on your wood
pieces that are not exposed to the elements (wing spars, ribs, fuse
sides, etc.)?
Thanks,
Dan
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: cooling "eyebrow" sizing |
Douwe,
Newton's law of cooling can get you there ;-)
But it's much easier to "copy" a working design from a similar airplane (P
iper J-3 ?)
Keep in in mind The size of the "Eyebrow" is depended on the air speed, am
bient temperatures and a sle of other factors but most importantly the exi
t of the cooling air.
The purpose is to create a pressure differential over the cylinder heads
with sufficient air flow, exit needs to be 50% larger than the eyebrow "i
nlet" area.
Most J-3 style eyebrows and installed like wise, this is a non issue.
Side note: those baffles around the cylinders are needed to get the maximu
m contact with the cooling air, forcing the air through the cylinder fins.
Most engines dissipate more heat at the cylinder head than they do on the
cylinder wall, the head is where the combustion chamber is plus the head
is usually aluminum a much better conduit for heat than the steel of the
cylinder wall.
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, Texas
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 12, 2010 6:40 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cooling "eyebrow" sizing
Is there a formula for figuring out the size of the cooling eyebrows? I
=99ve seen some that look pretty small and tight and some that look
a bit like dragonfly wings. Is there a minimum opening size?
Douwe
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| Subject: | number of coats of finish on wood? |
2 coats of PolyFiber Epoxy Varnish. The first coat was thinned to allow
better penetration into the wood.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: number of coats of finish on wood?
Hi builders,
How many coats of finish (poly-u or varnish) did you put on your wood
pieces that are not exposed to the elements (wing spars, ribs, fuse
sides, etc.)?
Thanks,
Dan
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept |
Shad,
I plan to attend. 230 miles from central IL.(3LF). 1.3 hours in the RV-3
or half a day each way in the Piet. Decisions!
Perry Rhoads
N12939
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: lee bottoms fly-in sept
Is anyone planning on going to the Lee Bottoms "Wood Fabric and
Tailwheels" fly-in, on sept 25th? If our baby is born before then and
we are all settled in I might try and make it. The wife did not shoot
me down yet so there is a chance. It is only about 170 miles or so, I
would leave friday mid day or so and come home around mid afternon on
saturday the 25th. Never been, but have wanted to for a few years now.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: A-7 Mag Switch |
Yeah.. been googling all over the place for one. Cub part.. Aeronca parts, etc.
Can't find one to save my life. Perhaps there's a market for them. Since I haul
cargo Int'lly, maybe I can get the chinese to knock a few off for me... next
time I'm in Hong Kong fooey..
Ler
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
Wow, and I though mine looked like crap! I had time this morning to get it torn
down to just the engine. Maybe more this weekend.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans |
I am sorry; I will be unable to attend this gathering.
Tim in central TX
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 12, 2010 8:38 PM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brenham on Saturday - Hans
>
>
>
>>Barring anything unusual I'd like to join you, Hans
>>You available Oscar? Tom? Tim?
>
>My airplane is over at Bulverde (1T8) getting its
>condition inspection at the moment. I don't expect to
>see a long list of squawks from it, but I do know that
>I have one cooling eyebrow mounting tab that is cracked
>through and I'll need to replace it. Not sure what
>else besides the usual lube/inspect/adjust type stuff.
>
>Brenham is about 2 hrs. flying time from Bulverde, so
>it's not impossible... just unlikely.
>
>Brenham is home of the world-famous Blue Bell ice cream,
>too. Oh, and my cousin Jenny and her family live there ;o)
>
>do not archive
>Evan F. Yawanna
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
><clip>
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| Subject: | Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept |
Bill,
It could be one of the following:
a) irrationality from sleep deprivation has set in early for Shad
b) Shad doesn't remember what happened after the first child arrived.
Which is why people have more kids - they forget the pain they
experienced after having the first one!
We're rootin' for you Shad! Good luck!
Dan
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On 08/13/2010 07:28 AM, Bill Church wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church"<billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Quick show of hands from all the Dads out there:
> Who thinks that Shad will be attending "If our baby is born before then and we
are all settled in" ? :)
>
> Actually, if the baby is born in August, you might be able to make it to the
Lee Bottom fly-in ... in 2015 .
>
> Just kidding, Shad (sort of).
> All the best to you and your wife. Enjoy whatever spare time you have right now.
>
> Bill C.
>
> Do Not Archive
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> Read this topic online here:
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
The Competition Orange generator really adds something.
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On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Wow, and I though mine looked like crap! I had time this morning to get
> it torn down to just the engine. Maybe more this weekend.
>
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> John
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 7:41:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
Wow, and I though mine looked like crap! =C2- I had time this morning to
get it torn down to just the engine. =C2-Maybe more this weekend.
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John
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Be sure to keep the steel baffles at the rear of the engine and those under
neath each row of cylinders. They are necessary to cool the engine.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
Those wheels might be a bit heavy for a Piet. :)
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| Subject: | Penetrating oil comparison |
Penetrating Oils Compared
Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break-
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective
test of all the popular penetrants, with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ..................... 516 pounds
WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.
Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all now
of them use it with equally good results.
Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the
price.
This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try the homemade
mix myself.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: home brew products and or methods |
does anyone have a home brew source and or method for polishing mill
grade aluminum sheet stock to mirror finish? I would be interested in learning
about such product and techniques.
Thanks
John
In a message dated 8/13/2010 2:31:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jdotson@erec.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@erec.net>
Penetrating Oils Compared
Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break-
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective
test of all the popular penetrants, with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ..................... 516 pounds
WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.
Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all
now
of them use it with equally good results.
Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20%
of the price.
This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try
the homemade mix myself.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Penetrating oil comparison |
WD-40 was not originally ment for a penitrating oil as a matter of fact it
means =0Awater dispersant for 40 days.It is not a lubricating oil either.
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jerry Dotson <jdots
on@erec.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, August 13, 201
0 2:30:18 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison=0A=0A-->
Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@erec.net>=0A=0AP
enetrating Oils Compared =0A=0A=0AMachinist's Workshop magazine tested vari
ous penetrants for break-=0Aout torque on rusted nuts. Significant results!
They arranged a subjective=0Atest of all the popular penetrants, with the
control being the torque=0Arequired to remove the nut from a "scientificall
y rusted" environment.=0A=0APenetrating oil .....- Average load=0A=0ANone
.....................- 516 pounds=0A=0AWD-40 ..................- 238 p
ounds=0A=0APB Blaster ............. 214 pounds=0A=0ALiquid Wrench ...... 12
7 pounds=0A=0AKano Kroil ............ 106 pounds=0A=0AATF-Acetone mix... 53
pounds=0A=0AThe ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
=0Atransmission fluid and acetone.=0A=0ANote that the "home brew" was bette
r than any commercial product in this=0Aone particular test. A local machin
ist group has mixed up a batch and all now=0Aof them use it with equally go
od results. =0A=0A=0ANotice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "
Kroil" for about 20% of =0Athe price. =0A=0A=0AThis was sent to me by email
and I have not verified but am going to try the =0Ahomemade mix myself.=0A
=0A--------=0AJerry Dotson=0A59 Daniel Johnson Rd=0ABaker, FL 32531=0A=0ASt
arted building- NX510JD- July, 2009=0ARibs and tailfeathers done=0Ausin
g Lycoming O-235=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://for
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Great info, thank you Jerry. Have to go get some Acetone.
rick
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On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Jerry Dotson <jdotson@erec.net> wrote:
>
> Penetrating Oils Compared
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break-
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants, with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ..................... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all
> now
> of them use it with equally good results.
>
>
> Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20%
> of the price.
>
> This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try
> the homemade mix myself.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> Ribs and tailfeathers done
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308690#308690
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Penetrating oil comparison |
I googled this, and commentators at various forums report mixed
results (pun intended) with the ATF-acetone. Working in a lab, I can
tell you that acetone is NOT something I'd want around my shop or
toolbox 100% of the time. I'm certainly not scared of it, but I would
not toss it in the box and forget about it like I would a can of a
Liquid Wrench.
I have used PB Blaster, Liquid Wrench, Kroil, and WD-40 over the
years. I suspect many here have, too. My experience has been that
anything, even soapy water, is lots better than nothing. But if I had
to rank them, I'd say that Kroil is the best, followed by LW. This is
pretty much what the Machinist's Workshop data suggest. However, I've
also found that even WD-40 works great for the vast majority of stuck
fasteners I've faced.
>Great info, thank you Jerry. Have to go get some Acetone.
>
>rick
>
>do not archive
>
>On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Jerry Dotson
><<mailto:jdotson@erec.net>jdotson@erec.net> wrote:
>
><<mailto:jdotson@erec.net>jdotson@erec.net>
>
>Penetrating Oils Compared
>
>
>Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break-
>out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective
>test of all the popular penetrants, with the control being the torque
>required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
>Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
>None ..................... 516 pounds
>
>WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
>
>PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
>
>Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
>Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
>ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
>The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>transmission fluid and acetone.
>
>Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all now
>of them use it with equally good results.
>
>
>Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for
>about 20% of the price.
>
> This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going
>to try the homemade mix myself.
>
>--------
>Jerry Dotson
>59 Daniel Johnson Rd
>Baker, FL 32531
>
>Started building NX510JD July, 2009
>Ribs and tailfeathers done
>using Lycoming O-235
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
><http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308690#308690>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308690#308690
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Good info, keep in mind acetone evaporates vey fast, I wouldn't mix up too m
uch.
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 13, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great info, thank you Jerry. Have to go get some Acetone.
>
> rick
>
> do not archive
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Jerry Dotson <jdotson@erec.net> wrote:
>
> Penetrating Oils Compared
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break-
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants, with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ..................... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all n
ow
> of them use it with equally good results.
>
>
> Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20%
of the price.
>
> This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try t
he homemade mix myself.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> Ribs and tailfeathers done
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308690#308690
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Someone Else's Wings |
Ladies & Gentlemen,
I received a phone call last night from a person who had purchased a set of
wings and tail section from an aging individual who had given up on his
project. The caller indicated that he was not in a place to build for a few
years and wanted to get some of his investment back. He lives about 2 hours
north of me (Chico, Ca), and some of his descriptions of what had been done
made me curious, though I was not interested in making the purchase. Having
nothing better to do this morning than talk on the phone (which I am capable
of doing while driving, using Bluetooth), I made the journey, thinking that,
at least, I could take some pics and send them out to the group in case
anyone was interested in jumpstarting their projects.
What I found was work left by a person who had obvious ideas of his own!!
The plans were full of sketch-overs of how he intended to make the Piet fit
his own visions, including changing it to a single place with a high head
rest and a humped fuselage sorta like a Jungster. He also made significant
changes to the tail, rounding all the components, and making the spars
nearly twice as wide, and inlaid with aluminum strong-backs!! This builder
had an obvious fixation on push rods, including rudder, elevators, and
ailerons. Hardware consists of 3/16" aluminum strut and wing attachments,
using Home Depot Aviation Supply hardware. In the end, I think a motivated
builder could make some changes to these wings and end up with a real value.
I'm pretty sure the seller would accept anything between $100-300.
...but I digress...
I was told that this work represents over two years worth of effort. Now,
I'm the last one who should criticize anyone for taking a long time to build
ribs, but I know I spent 2 weekends building all my tail components, and if
I did nothing else, I can't see how wings could take longer than 4-5
months...less than that if I was retired, like this builder.
I was thinking about all the time he must have spent re-designing this
plane, when it would obviously be his last, and how he never got to see it
fly...or fly it. I was reminded about all those who have finished and are
enjoying their Pietenpols who constantly remind us to quit wasting time
thinking about things and....just build....just follow the plans.
Happy building to all! (email me if you want this guy's contact info)
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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| Subject: | YouTube: home brew products and or methods |
I found some really good stuff here:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=1&ved=0CDoQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVp-aL7ega5o&rct=j&q=youtube%20video%20hot%20to%20polish%20aluminum&ei=CKZlTKn5GMKAlAfXnb2TDg&usg=AFQjCNGhF9h3Ng0R-F7OCJ9sp7FJZZvJqg&cad=rja
If that link doesn't work (looks like a bad link to me!) try doing a search on
youtube for "polishing aluminum"...there are a bunch of really good professional
and DIY/homebrew videos on good polishing processes....
jm
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| Subject: | Someone Else's Wings |
Ahh Yes..., another "Improved" Pietenpol. Probably added at least 100 lbs
of un-needed "improvements". Maybe he got some of his ideas for hardware
from Fisherman Raye.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Someone Else's Wings
Ladies & Gentlemen,
I received a phone call last night from a person who had purchased a set of
wings and tail section from an aging individual who had given up on his
project. The caller indicated that he was not in a place to build for a few
years and wanted to get some of his investment back. He lives about 2 hours
north of me (Chico, Ca), and some of his descriptions of what had been done
made me curious, though I was not interested in making the purchase. Having
nothing better to do this morning than talk on the phone (which I am capable
of doing while driving, using Bluetooth), I made the journey, thinking that,
at least, I could take some pics and send them out to the group in case
anyone was interested in jumpstarting their projects.
What I found was work left by a person who had obvious ideas of his own!!
The plans were full of sketch-overs of how he intended to make the Piet fit
his own visions, including changing it to a single place with a high head
rest and a humped fuselage sorta like a Jungster. He also made significant
changes to the tail, rounding all the components, and making the spars
nearly twice as wide, and inlaid with aluminum strong-backs!! This builder
had an obvious fixation on push rods, including rudder, elevators, and
ailerons. Hardware consists of 3/16" aluminum strut and wing attachments,
using Home Depot Aviation Supply hardware. In the end, I think a motivated
builder could make some changes to these wings and end up with a real value.
I'm pretty sure the seller would accept anything between $100-300.
...but I digress...
I was told that this work represents over two years worth of effort. Now,
I'm the last one who should criticize anyone for taking a long time to build
ribs, but I know I spent 2 weekends building all my tail components, and if
I did nothing else, I can't see how wings could take longer than 4-5
months...less than that if I was retired, like this builder.
I was thinking about all the time he must have spent re-designing this
plane, when it would obviously be his last, and how he never got to see it
fly...or fly it. I was reminded about all those who have finished and are
enjoying their Pietenpols who constantly remind us to quit wasting time
thinking about things and....just build....just follow the plans.
Happy building to all! (email me if you want this guy's contact info)
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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| Subject: | Re: Penetrating oil comparison |
Good information. I've used them all at one time or another. WD40 stands for
'Water displacement - 40th attempt'.
--------
Dan Plett
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| Subject: | Someone Else's Wings |
Holy Cow what a waste of material and time...
Jack
DSM
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Someone Else's Wings
Ladies & Gentlemen,
I received a phone call last night from a person who had purchased a set of
wings and tail section from an aging individual who had given up on his
project. The caller indicated that he was not in a place to build for a few
years and wanted to get some of his investment back. He lives about 2 hours
north of me (Chico, Ca), and some of his descriptions of what had been done
made me curious, though I was not interested in making the purchase. Having
nothing better to do this morning than talk on the phone (which I am capable
of doing while driving, using Bluetooth), I made the journey, thinking that,
at least, I could take some pics and send them out to the group in case
anyone was interested in jumpstarting their projects.
What I found was work left by a person who had obvious ideas of his own!!
The plans were full of sketch-overs of how he intended to make the Piet fit
his own visions, including changing it to a single place with a high head
rest and a humped fuselage sorta like a Jungster. He also made significant
changes to the tail, rounding all the components, and making the spars
nearly twice as wide, and inlaid with aluminum strong-backs!! This builder
had an obvious fixation on push rods, including rudder, elevators, and
ailerons. Hardware consists of 3/16" aluminum strut and wing attachments,
using Home Depot Aviation Supply hardware. In the end, I think a motivated
builder could make some changes to these wings and end up with a real value.
I'm pretty sure the seller would accept anything between $100-300.
...but I digress...
I was told that this work represents over two years worth of effort. Now,
I'm the last one who should criticize anyone for taking a long time to build
ribs, but I know I spent 2 weekends building all my tail components, and if
I did nothing else, I can't see how wings could take longer than 4-5
months...less than that if I was retired, like this builder.
I was thinking about all the time he must have spent re-designing this
plane, when it would obviously be his last, and how he never got to see it
fly...or fly it. I was reminded about all those who have finished and are
enjoying their Pietenpols who constantly remind us to quit wasting time
thinking about things and....just build....just follow the plans.
Happy building to all! (email me if you want this guy's contact info)
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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| Subject: | Re: number of coats of finish on wood? |
Just one coat of varnish. If your airplane is hangared and not exposed to
excessive rain then one coat is plenty.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: number of coats of finish on wood?
>
> Hi builders,
>
> How many coats of finish (poly-u or varnish) did you put on your wood
> pieces that are not exposed to the elements (wing spars, ribs, fuse sides,
> etc.)?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Penetrating oil comparison |
In any case it is not a lubracant.I can attest to that since I tried using
it on =0Aa bycicle chain and the chain all dried up and sqeeked like hell.
=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Dan P <dlplett@swko.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, A
ugust 13, 2010 4:56:44 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil co
et>=0A=0AGood information.- I've used them all at one time or another.-
- WD40 stands =0Afor- 'Water displacement - 40th attempt'.=0A=0A------
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| Subject: | Re: Penetrating oil comparison |
In any case it is not a lubracant.I can attest to that since I tried using
it on =0Aa bycicle chain and the chain all dried up and sqeeked like hell.
=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Dan P <dlplett@swko.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, A
ugust 13, 2010 4:56:44 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil co
et>=0A=0AGood information.- I've used them all at one time or another.-
- WD40 stands =0Afor- 'Water displacement - 40th attempt'.=0A=0A------
--=0ADan Plett=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forum
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Hello,
I am new in the forum, and in the airplane building. I am planing to build a Piet
and I have some doubts in this moment. I was reading some mesures and I saw
that there are not the same in fifferent drawings (or seccion of a drawing),
an in some places or are wrong or they arent there... Is this OK?, the differences
are very small, but are there.. I have to improvise too much?...
For example, I was looking the rudder and the end of the fusselage, the height
of the "movible" ruddr is less then the height of the fixed part plus the estabilizer
plus the end of the fuselage. This is ok?
thank in advance for any answer, best regards
mario
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| Subject: | Re: Penetrating oil comparison |
I can also attest to the fact that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant. Many people like
to use it on guns as a replacement for proper cleaning, and it usually just gums
things up even worse. Turns semi-autos into single shot firearms. Good for
me as a gunsmith, not so good for the gun owner / hunter who expects his gun
to work properly after a quick squirt-down with the WD-40.
I actually do keep WD-40 around, but only for use on damp plug wires when my car
won't start. It actually does work quite well for this, but it has practically
no other use around my home or shop although I have found it to be a good
cutting fluid when working with aluminum, but not on any other metal. But for
rusty fasteners, I use proper penetrating oils.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: If I knew then what I know now.... |
If one were to lay down a strip of canvas or other strong
fabric and staple through that then when the glue has dried
just rip the canvas off and voila! up come those pesky staples.
Clif
I used a hand insulation stapler I taped a thin cardboard shim just
behind where the staple exits the stapler so the staple was not set tight to
the wood and could be easily removed with a thin screwdriver or similar. >
Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
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