---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/13/10: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:34 AM - Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept (jeff Faith) 2. 02:47 AM - Re: Got an engine! (Kelly Klaus) 3. 03:47 AM - Re: A-7 Mag Switch (Jerry Dotson) 4. 04:37 AM - Lee Bottom event in late Sept. (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 5. 05:14 AM - Re: A-7 Mag Switch (Ben Charvet) 6. 05:29 AM - Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept (Bill Church) 7. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept (Gary Boothe) 8. 06:19 AM - Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept (Richard Schreiber) 9. 06:42 AM - number of coats of finish on wood? (Dan Yocum) 10. 06:45 AM - Re: cooling "eyebrow" sizing (hvandervoo@aol.com) 11. 06:58 AM - Re: number of coats of finish on wood? (Jack Phillips) 12. 07:38 AM - Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept (Perry Rhoads) 13. 07:40 AM - Re: A-7 Mag Switch (TriScout) 14. 07:41 AM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle) 15. 08:08 AM - Re: Brenham on Saturday - Hans (Tim Willis) 16. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept (Dan Yocum) 17. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Rick Holland) 18. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Jim Boyer) 19. 08:50 AM - Re: Got an engine! (Bill Church) 20. 11:30 AM - Penetrating oil comparison (Jerry Dotson) 21. 11:36 AM - Re: home brew products and or methods (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 22. 11:40 AM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (H RULE) 23. 12:11 PM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Rick Holland) 24. 12:43 PM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Jeff Boatright) 25. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Jack) 26. 01:05 PM - Someone Else's Wings (Gary Boothe) 27. 01:11 PM - YouTube: home brew products and or methods (Jim Markle) 28. 01:14 PM - Re: Someone Else's Wings (Jack Phillips) 29. 01:57 PM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Dan P) 30. 04:44 PM - Re: Someone Else's Wings (Jack) 31. 04:46 PM - Re: number of coats of finish on wood? (Greg Cardinal) 32. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (H RULE) 33. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (H RULE) 34. 07:21 PM - plans messures (giacummo) 35. 10:58 PM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Billy McCaskill) 36. 11:06 PM - Re: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:56 AM PST US From: jeff Faith Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lee bottoms fly-in sept If I still have the 120, I'll be there ....it really is a great fly in...an d a really short ride from louisville ..jeff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! From: "Kelly Klaus" Congrats Kringle! Getting my engine was an experience. I found the seller on Craigslist aprox. 45 miles from me.Last February I set off one Sunday morning toting my tools and pulled it from the car by my self. What fun! -------- Kelly Klaus Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308624#308624 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/first_pulled_151.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:47:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-7 Mag Switch From: "Jerry Dotson" I kept a watch on ebay and eventually found one at my price. A lot of the time they are bid out of reach for a scrounger. http://motors.shop.ebay.com/Aviation-Parts-/26435/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A1171&_dmpt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_sop=10&_sc=1 -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308629#308629 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:56 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lee Bottom event in late Sept. I'm planning on being there Shad. http://www.leebottom.com/ I hope you get to go. It is an AMAZING event that is really in a gorgeous setting. Owners Rich and Ginger are good folks who own the airport. She's tailwheel rated and has flown Stearmans, Cubs, had her own RV-3......you name it. Just a nice gathering but be sure to sign up for Lee Bottom's web page news to get the APPROACH guidelines-----they don't mess around there like we saw (did...guilty) at Bhead. They have great organizational skills and you'll see some very pretty old taildraggers there. Mike C. http://www.leebottom.com/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:38 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-7 Mag Switch I've seen a few on e-Bay. It is nice to have a keyed switch though. Ben On 8/12/2010 11:14 PM, TriScout wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TriScout" > > Anyone know where to search for an antique magneto switch? (i.e. A-7 wwII style, cub or aeronca-style). Thx > > Larry (Dallas) > GN-1 N2308C > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308610#308610 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept From: "Bill Church" Quick show of hands from all the Dads out there: Who thinks that Shad will be attending "If our baby is born before then and we are all settled in" ? :) Actually, if the baby is born in August, you might be able to make it to the Lee Bottom fly-in ... in 2015 . Just kidding, Shad (sort of). All the best to you and your wife. Enjoy whatever spare time you have right now. Bill C. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308641#308641 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:56 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept Shad, She doesn't need you to have the baby. Go flying....time to establish the 'rules' right now...that's what I would do...:-O Gary Boothe (divorced from my children's mother) Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 5:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept Quick show of hands from all the Dads out there: Who thinks that Shad will be attending "If our baby is born before then and we are all settled in" ? :) Actually, if the baby is born in August, you might be able to make it to the Lee Bottom fly-in ... in 2015 . Just kidding, Shad (sort of). All the best to you and your wife. Enjoy whatever spare time you have right now. Bill C. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308641#308641 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:22 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: lee bottoms fly-in sept Shad: I plan on going. I'll be flying down form VPZ in my Tripacer on Friday and leaving on Saturday or Sunday. My Wife and I flew in for Sinful Sundae last Sunday. We came in late figuring we would be too late for lunch, but still be able to get ice cream. As we got close we kept hearing call after call for Lee Bottom on the radio. As we got closer we started to see multiple planes in front of us coming into the pattern. As we turned final we had 3 planes in front of us on final and 1 more behind us on downwind. I estimate there were at least 125 planes on the ground while we were there. For those that might go, here are some photos Rick Schreiber Valparaiso IN ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell Sent: 8/12/2010 9:48:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: lee bottoms fly-in sept Is anyone planning on going to the Lee Bottoms "Wood Fabric and Tailwheels" fly-in, on sept 25th? If our baby is born before then and we are all settled in I might try and make it. The wife did not shoot me down yet so there is a chance. It is only about 170 miles or so, I would leave friday mid day or so and come home around mid afternon on saturday the 25th. Never been, but have wanted to for a few years now. Shad ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:37 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: number of coats of finish on wood? Hi builders, How many coats of finish (poly-u or varnish) did you put on your wood pieces that are not exposed to the elements (wing spars, ribs, fuse sides, etc.)? Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cooling "eyebrow" sizing From: hvandervoo@aol.com Douwe, Newton's law of cooling can get you there ;-) But it's much easier to "copy" a working design from a similar airplane (P iper J-3 ?) Keep in in mind The size of the "Eyebrow" is depended on the air speed, am bient temperatures and a sle of other factors but most importantly the exi t of the cooling air. The purpose is to create a pressure differential over the cylinder heads with sufficient air flow, exit needs to be 50% larger than the eyebrow "i nlet" area. Most J-3 style eyebrows and installed like wise, this is a non issue. Side note: those baffles around the cylinders are needed to get the maximu m contact with the cooling air, forcing the air through the cylinder fins. Most engines dissipate more heat at the cylinder head than they do on the cylinder wall, the head is where the combustion chamber is plus the head is usually aluminum a much better conduit for heat than the steel of the cylinder wall. Hans NX15KV Waller, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Thu, Aug 12, 2010 6:40 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: cooling "eyebrow" sizing Is there a formula for figuring out the size of the cooling eyebrows? I =99ve seen some that look pretty small and tight and some that look a bit like dragonfly wings. Is there a minimum opening size? Douwe ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:13 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: number of coats of finish on wood? 2 coats of PolyFiber Epoxy Varnish. The first coat was thinned to allow better penetration into the wood. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: number of coats of finish on wood? Hi builders, How many coats of finish (poly-u or varnish) did you put on your wood pieces that are not exposed to the elements (wing spars, ribs, fuse sides, etc.)? Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:38 AM PST US From: "Perry Rhoads" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lee bottoms fly-in sept Shad, I plan to attend. 230 miles from central IL.(3LF). 1.3 hours in the RV-3 or half a day each way in the Piet. Decisions! Perry Rhoads N12939 ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: lee bottoms fly-in sept Is anyone planning on going to the Lee Bottoms "Wood Fabric and Tailwheels" fly-in, on sept 25th? If our baby is born before then and we are all settled in I might try and make it. The wife did not shoot me down yet so there is a chance. It is only about 170 miles or so, I would leave friday mid day or so and come home around mid afternon on saturday the 25th. Never been, but have wanted to for a few years now. Shad ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-7 Mag Switch From: "TriScout" Yeah.. been googling all over the place for one. Cub part.. Aeronca parts, etc. Can't find one to save my life. Perhaps there's a market for them. Since I haul cargo Int'lly, maybe I can get the chinese to knock a few off for me... next time I'm in Hong Kong fooey.. Ler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308661#308661 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! From: "Kringle" Wow, and I though mine looked like crap! I had time this morning to get it torn down to just the engine. Maybe more this weekend. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308662#308662 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/corvair2_482.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/corvair1_555.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:47 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brenham on Saturday - Hans I am sorry; I will be unable to attend this gathering. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Oscar Zuniga >Sent: Aug 12, 2010 8:38 PM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brenham on Saturday - Hans > > > >>Barring anything unusual I'd like to join you, Hans >>You available Oscar? Tom? Tim? > >My airplane is over at Bulverde (1T8) getting its >condition inspection at the moment. I don't expect to >see a long list of squawks from it, but I do know that >I have one cooling eyebrow mounting tab that is cracked >through and I'll need to replace it. Not sure what >else besides the usual lube/inspect/adjust type stuff. > >Brenham is about 2 hrs. flying time from Bulverde, so >it's not impossible... just unlikely. > >Brenham is home of the world-famous Blue Bell ice cream, >too. Oh, and my cousin Jenny and her family live there ;o) > >do not archive >Evan F. Yawanna > >Oscar Zuniga >Air Camper NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:39 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: lee bottoms fly-in sept Bill, It could be one of the following: a) irrationality from sleep deprivation has set in early for Shad b) Shad doesn't remember what happened after the first child arrived. Which is why people have more kids - they forget the pain they experienced after having the first one! We're rootin' for you Shad! Good luck! Dan do not archive On 08/13/2010 07:28 AM, Bill Church wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" > > Quick show of hands from all the Dads out there: > Who thinks that Shad will be attending "If our baby is born before then and we are all settled in" ? :) > > Actually, if the baby is born in August, you might be able to make it to the Lee Bottom fly-in ... in 2015 . > > Just kidding, Shad (sort of). > All the best to you and your wife. Enjoy whatever spare time you have right now. > > Bill C. > > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308641#308641 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! From: Rick Holland The Competition Orange generator really adds something. do not archive On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Kringle wrote: > > Wow, and I though mine looked like crap! I had time this morning to get > it torn down to just the engine. Maybe more this weekend. > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308662#308662 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/corvair2_482.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/corvair1_555.jpg > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:34 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kringle" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 7:41:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! Wow, and I though mine looked like crap! =C2- I had time this morning to get it torn down to just the engine. =C2-Maybe more this weekend. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308662#308662 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/corvair2_482.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/corvair1_555.jpg Be sure to keep the steel baffles at the rear of the engine and those under neath each row of cylinders. They are necessary to cool the engine. Jim =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! From: "Bill Church" Those wheels might be a bit heavy for a Piet. :) Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308674#308674 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison From: "Jerry Dotson" Penetrating Oils Compared Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break- out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants, with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. Penetrating oil ..... Average load None ..................... 516 pounds WD-40 .................. 238 pounds PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all now of them use it with equally good results. Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try the homemade mix myself. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308690#308690 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:13 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: home brew products and or methods does anyone have a home brew source and or method for polishing mill grade aluminum sheet stock to mirror finish? I would be interested in learning about such product and techniques. Thanks John In a message dated 8/13/2010 2:31:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jdotson@erec.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" Penetrating Oils Compared Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break- out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants, with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. Penetrating oil ..... Average load None ..................... 516 pounds WD-40 .................. 238 pounds PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all now of them use it with equally good results. Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try the homemade mix myself. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308690#308690 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:48 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison WD-40 was not originally ment for a penitrating oil as a matter of fact it means =0Awater dispersant for 40 days.It is not a lubricating oil either. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jerry Dotson =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, August 13, 201 0 2:30:18 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" =0A=0AP enetrating Oils Compared =0A=0A=0AMachinist's Workshop magazine tested vari ous penetrants for break-=0Aout torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective=0Atest of all the popular penetrants, with the control being the torque=0Arequired to remove the nut from a "scientificall y rusted" environment.=0A=0APenetrating oil .....- Average load=0A=0ANone .....................- 516 pounds=0A=0AWD-40 ..................- 238 p ounds=0A=0APB Blaster ............. 214 pounds=0A=0ALiquid Wrench ...... 12 7 pounds=0A=0AKano Kroil ............ 106 pounds=0A=0AATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds=0A=0AThe ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic =0Atransmission fluid and acetone.=0A=0ANote that the "home brew" was bette r than any commercial product in this=0Aone particular test. A local machin ist group has mixed up a batch and all now=0Aof them use it with equally go od results. =0A=0A=0ANotice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as " Kroil" for about 20% of =0Athe price. =0A=0A=0AThis was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try the =0Ahomemade mix myself.=0A =0A--------=0AJerry Dotson=0A59 Daniel Johnson Rd=0ABaker, FL 32531=0A=0ASt arted building- NX510JD- July, 2009=0ARibs and tailfeathers done=0Ausin g Lycoming O-235=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://for ============= ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison From: Rick Holland Great info, thank you Jerry. Have to go get some Acetone. rick do not archive On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > > Penetrating Oils Compared > > > Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break- > out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective > test of all the popular penetrants, with the control being the torque > required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. > > Penetrating oil ..... Average load > > None ..................... 516 pounds > > WD-40 .................. 238 pounds > > PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds > > Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds > > Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds > > ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds > > The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic > transmission fluid and acetone. > > Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this > one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all > now > of them use it with equally good results. > > > Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% > of the price. > > This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try > the homemade mix myself. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > Ribs and tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308690#308690 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:49 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison I googled this, and commentators at various forums report mixed results (pun intended) with the ATF-acetone. Working in a lab, I can tell you that acetone is NOT something I'd want around my shop or toolbox 100% of the time. I'm certainly not scared of it, but I would not toss it in the box and forget about it like I would a can of a Liquid Wrench. I have used PB Blaster, Liquid Wrench, Kroil, and WD-40 over the years. I suspect many here have, too. My experience has been that anything, even soapy water, is lots better than nothing. But if I had to rank them, I'd say that Kroil is the best, followed by LW. This is pretty much what the Machinist's Workshop data suggest. However, I've also found that even WD-40 works great for the vast majority of stuck fasteners I've faced. >Great info, thank you Jerry. Have to go get some Acetone. > >rick > >do not archive > >On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Jerry Dotson ><jdotson@erec.net> wrote: > ><jdotson@erec.net> > >Penetrating Oils Compared > > >Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break- >out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective >test of all the popular penetrants, with the control being the torque >required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. > >Penetrating oil ..... Average load > >None ..................... 516 pounds > >WD-40 .................. 238 pounds > >PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds > >Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds > >Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds > >ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds > >The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic >transmission fluid and acetone. > >Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this >one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all now >of them use it with equally good results. > > >Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for >about 20% of the price. > > This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going >to try the homemade mix myself. > >-------- >Jerry Dotson >59 Daniel Johnson Rd >Baker, FL 32531 > >Started building NX510JD July, 2009 >Ribs and tailfeathers done >using Lycoming O-235 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308690#308690 > > >========== >st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >========== >http://forums.matronics.com >========== >le, List Admin. >="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >========== > > >-- >Rick Holland >Castle Rock, Colorado > >"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison From: Jack Good info, keep in mind acetone evaporates vey fast, I wouldn't mix up too m uch. Jack Textor Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > Great info, thank you Jerry. Have to go get some Acetone. > > rick > > do not archive > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > > Penetrating Oils Compared > > > Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break- > out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective > test of all the popular penetrants, with the control being the torque > required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. > > Penetrating oil ..... Average load > > None ..................... 516 pounds > > WD-40 .................. 238 pounds > > PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds > > Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds > > Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds > > ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds > > The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic > transmission fluid and acetone. > > Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this > one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all n ow > of them use it with equally good results. > > > Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. > > This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try t he homemade mix myself. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > Ribs and tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308690#308690 > > > > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:55 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Someone Else's Wings Ladies & Gentlemen, I received a phone call last night from a person who had purchased a set of wings and tail section from an aging individual who had given up on his project. The caller indicated that he was not in a place to build for a few years and wanted to get some of his investment back. He lives about 2 hours north of me (Chico, Ca), and some of his descriptions of what had been done made me curious, though I was not interested in making the purchase. Having nothing better to do this morning than talk on the phone (which I am capable of doing while driving, using Bluetooth), I made the journey, thinking that, at least, I could take some pics and send them out to the group in case anyone was interested in jumpstarting their projects. What I found was work left by a person who had obvious ideas of his own!! The plans were full of sketch-overs of how he intended to make the Piet fit his own visions, including changing it to a single place with a high head rest and a humped fuselage sorta like a Jungster. He also made significant changes to the tail, rounding all the components, and making the spars nearly twice as wide, and inlaid with aluminum strong-backs!! This builder had an obvious fixation on push rods, including rudder, elevators, and ailerons. Hardware consists of 3/16" aluminum strut and wing attachments, using Home Depot Aviation Supply hardware. In the end, I think a motivated builder could make some changes to these wings and end up with a real value. I'm pretty sure the seller would accept anything between $100-300. ...but I digress... I was told that this work represents over two years worth of effort. Now, I'm the last one who should criticize anyone for taking a long time to build ribs, but I know I spent 2 weekends building all my tail components, and if I did nothing else, I can't see how wings could take longer than 4-5 months...less than that if I was retired, like this builder. I was thinking about all the time he must have spent re-designing this plane, when it would obviously be his last, and how he never got to see it fly...or fly it. I was reminded about all those who have finished and are enjoying their Pietenpols who constantly remind us to quit wasting time thinking about things and....just build....just follow the plans. Happy building to all! (email me if you want this guy's contact info) Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:07 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: YouTube: home brew products and or methods I found some really good stuff here: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=1&ved=0CDoQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVp-aL7ega5o&rct=j&q=youtube%20video%20hot%20to%20polish%20aluminum&ei=CKZlTKn5GMKAlAfXnb2TDg&usg=AFQjCNGhF9h3Ng0R-F7OCJ9sp7FJZZvJqg&cad=rja If that link doesn't work (looks like a bad link to me!) try doing a search on youtube for "polishing aluminum"...there are a bunch of really good professional and DIY/homebrew videos on good polishing processes.... jm ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:10 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Someone Else's Wings Ahh Yes..., another "Improved" Pietenpol. Probably added at least 100 lbs of un-needed "improvements". Maybe he got some of his ideas for hardware from Fisherman Raye. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Someone Else's Wings Ladies & Gentlemen, I received a phone call last night from a person who had purchased a set of wings and tail section from an aging individual who had given up on his project. The caller indicated that he was not in a place to build for a few years and wanted to get some of his investment back. He lives about 2 hours north of me (Chico, Ca), and some of his descriptions of what had been done made me curious, though I was not interested in making the purchase. Having nothing better to do this morning than talk on the phone (which I am capable of doing while driving, using Bluetooth), I made the journey, thinking that, at least, I could take some pics and send them out to the group in case anyone was interested in jumpstarting their projects. What I found was work left by a person who had obvious ideas of his own!! The plans were full of sketch-overs of how he intended to make the Piet fit his own visions, including changing it to a single place with a high head rest and a humped fuselage sorta like a Jungster. He also made significant changes to the tail, rounding all the components, and making the spars nearly twice as wide, and inlaid with aluminum strong-backs!! This builder had an obvious fixation on push rods, including rudder, elevators, and ailerons. Hardware consists of 3/16" aluminum strut and wing attachments, using Home Depot Aviation Supply hardware. In the end, I think a motivated builder could make some changes to these wings and end up with a real value. I'm pretty sure the seller would accept anything between $100-300. ...but I digress... I was told that this work represents over two years worth of effort. Now, I'm the last one who should criticize anyone for taking a long time to build ribs, but I know I spent 2 weekends building all my tail components, and if I did nothing else, I can't see how wings could take longer than 4-5 months...less than that if I was retired, like this builder. I was thinking about all the time he must have spent re-designing this plane, when it would obviously be his last, and how he never got to see it fly...or fly it. I was reminded about all those who have finished and are enjoying their Pietenpols who constantly remind us to quit wasting time thinking about things and....just build....just follow the plans. Happy building to all! (email me if you want this guy's contact info) Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison From: "Dan P" Good information. I've used them all at one time or another. WD40 stands for 'Water displacement - 40th attempt'. -------- Dan Plett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308717#308717 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:56 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Someone Else's Wings Holy Cow what a waste of material and time... Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Someone Else's Wings Ladies & Gentlemen, I received a phone call last night from a person who had purchased a set of wings and tail section from an aging individual who had given up on his project. The caller indicated that he was not in a place to build for a few years and wanted to get some of his investment back. He lives about 2 hours north of me (Chico, Ca), and some of his descriptions of what had been done made me curious, though I was not interested in making the purchase. Having nothing better to do this morning than talk on the phone (which I am capable of doing while driving, using Bluetooth), I made the journey, thinking that, at least, I could take some pics and send them out to the group in case anyone was interested in jumpstarting their projects. What I found was work left by a person who had obvious ideas of his own!! The plans were full of sketch-overs of how he intended to make the Piet fit his own visions, including changing it to a single place with a high head rest and a humped fuselage sorta like a Jungster. He also made significant changes to the tail, rounding all the components, and making the spars nearly twice as wide, and inlaid with aluminum strong-backs!! This builder had an obvious fixation on push rods, including rudder, elevators, and ailerons. Hardware consists of 3/16" aluminum strut and wing attachments, using Home Depot Aviation Supply hardware. In the end, I think a motivated builder could make some changes to these wings and end up with a real value. I'm pretty sure the seller would accept anything between $100-300. ...but I digress... I was told that this work represents over two years worth of effort. Now, I'm the last one who should criticize anyone for taking a long time to build ribs, but I know I spent 2 weekends building all my tail components, and if I did nothing else, I can't see how wings could take longer than 4-5 months...less than that if I was retired, like this builder. I was thinking about all the time he must have spent re-designing this plane, when it would obviously be his last, and how he never got to see it fly...or fly it. I was reminded about all those who have finished and are enjoying their Pietenpols who constantly remind us to quit wasting time thinking about things and....just build....just follow the plans. Happy building to all! (email me if you want this guy's contact info) Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:56 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: number of coats of finish on wood? Just one coat of varnish. If your airplane is hangared and not exposed to excessive rain then one coat is plenty. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Yocum" Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: number of coats of finish on wood? > > Hi builders, > > How many coats of finish (poly-u or varnish) did you put on your wood > pieces that are not exposed to the elements (wing spars, ribs, fuse sides, > etc.)? > > Thanks, > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:47 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison In any case it is not a lubracant.I can attest to that since I tried using it on =0Aa bycicle chain and the chain all dried up and sqeeked like hell. =0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dan P =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, A ugust 13, 2010 4:56:44 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil co et>=0A=0AGood information.- I've used them all at one time or another.- - WD40 stands =0Afor- 'Water displacement - 40th attempt'.=0A=0A------ --=0ADan Plett=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forum ============= ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:02 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison In any case it is not a lubracant.I can attest to that since I tried using it on =0Aa bycicle chain and the chain all dried up and sqeeked like hell. =0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dan P =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, A ugust 13, 2010 4:56:44 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil co et>=0A=0AGood information.- I've used them all at one time or another.- - WD40 stands =0Afor- 'Water displacement - 40th attempt'.=0A=0A------ --=0ADan Plett=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forum ============= ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: plans messures From: "giacummo" Hello, I am new in the forum, and in the airplane building. I am planing to build a Piet and I have some doubts in this moment. I was reading some mesures and I saw that there are not the same in fifferent drawings (or seccion of a drawing), an in some places or are wrong or they arent there... Is this OK?, the differences are very small, but are there.. I have to improvise too much?... For example, I was looking the rudder and the end of the fusselage, the height of the "movible" ruddr is less then the height of the fixed part plus the estabilizer plus the end of the fuselage. This is ok? thank in advance for any answer, best regards mario Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308739#308739 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison From: "Billy McCaskill" I can also attest to the fact that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant. Many people like to use it on guns as a replacement for proper cleaning, and it usually just gums things up even worse. Turns semi-autos into single shot firearms. Good for me as a gunsmith, not so good for the gun owner / hunter who expects his gun to work properly after a quick squirt-down with the WD-40. I actually do keep WD-40 around, but only for use on damp plug wires when my car won't start. It actually does work quite well for this, but it has practically no other use around my home or shop although I have found it to be a good cutting fluid when working with aluminum, but not on any other metal. But for rusty fasteners, I use proper penetrating oils. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308751#308751 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:27 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... If one were to lay down a strip of canvas or other strong fabric and staple through that then when the glue has dried just rip the canvas off and voila! up come those pesky staples. Clif I used a hand insulation stapler I taped a thin cardboard shim just behind where the staple exits the stapler so the staple was not set tight to the wood and could be easily removed with a thin screwdriver or similar. > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.