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1. 04:10 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (H RULE)
2. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Jim Markle)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Gene Rambo)
4. 07:23 AM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Gene Rambo)
5. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (John Recine)
6. 07:31 AM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Gene Rambo)
7. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Gene Rambo)
8. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Gary Boothe)
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12. 09:04 AM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (K5YAC)
13. 10:21 AM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Jerry Dotson)
14. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (airlion)
15. 10:35 AM - working with aluminum (Gary Boothe)
16. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (H RULE)
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18. 11:33 AM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Darrel Jones)
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A little trick-I learned when working with some guys that cut aluminum-
was to =0Aput the blade of the skill saw in backwards when cutting .The bla
de won't catch =0Aand it does a nice clean job of cutting.=0A=0A=0A=0A_____
___________________________=0AFrom: Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net>=0ATo:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, August 14, 2010 1:57:53 AM=0ASubj
ect: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List
message posted by: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz@cox.net>=0A=0AI can also atte
st to the fact that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant.- Many people like =0Ato use
it on guns as a replacement for proper cleaning, and it usually just gums
=0Athings up even worse.- Turns semi-autos into single shot firearms.-
Good for me =0Aas a gunsmith, not so good for the gun owner / hunter who ex
pects his gun to =0Awork properly after a quick squirt-down with the WD-40.
=0A=0AI actually do keep WD-40 around, but only for use on damp plug wires
when my car =0Awon't start.- It actually does work quite well for this, b
ut it has practically =0Ano other use around my home or shop although I hav
e found it to be a good =0Acutting fluid when working with aluminum, but no
t on any other metal.- But for =0Arusty fasteners, I use proper penetrati
ng oils.=0A=0A--------=0ABilly McCaskill=0AUrbana, IL=0Atail section almost
done, starting on ribs soon=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A
=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308751#308751=0A=0A=0A=0A
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Oooh, thanks! That's a neat idea.
-----Original Message-----
From: H RULE
Sent: Aug 14, 2010 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
A little trick I learned when working with some guys that cut aluminum was to put
the blade of the skill saw in backwards when cutting .The blade won't catch
and it does a nice clean job of cutting.
From: Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net>
Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 1:57:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
I can also attest to the fact that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant. Many people like
to use it on guns as a replacement for proper cleaning, and it usually just gums
things up even worse. Turns semi-autos into single shot firearms. Good for
me as a gunsmith, not so good for the gun owner / hunter who expects his gun
to work properly after a quick squirt-down with the WD-40.
I actually do keep WD-40 around, but
only for use on damp plug wires when my car won't start. It actually does work
quite well for this, but it has practically no other use around my home or shop
although I have found it to be a good cutting fluid when working with aluminum,
but not on any other metal. But for rusty fasteners, I use proper penetrating
oils.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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I have never had any luck cutting anything with the back side of the blade
=2C but if it works for you . . .
Gene
for God's sake do not archive!
From: harvey.rule@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
A little trick I learned when working with some guys that cut aluminum was
to put the blade of the skill saw in backwards when cutting .The blade won'
t catch and it does a nice clean job of cutting.
From: Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net>
Sent: Sat=2C August 14=2C 2010 1:57:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
I can also attest to the fact that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant. Many people l
ike to use it on guns as a replacement for proper cleaning=2C and it usuall
y just gums things up even worse. Turns semi-autos into single shot firear
ms. Good for me as a gunsmith=2C not so good for the gun owner / hunter wh
o expects his gun to work properly after a quick squirt-down with the WD-40
.
I actually do keep WD-40 around=2C but only for use on damp plug wires when
my car won't start. It actually does work quite well for this=2C but it h
as practically no other use around my home or shop although I have found it
to be a good cutting fluid when working with aluminum=2C but not on any ot
her metal. But for rusty fasteners=2C I use proper penetrating oils.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana=2C IL
tail section almost done=2C starting on ribs soon
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Just to throw another brand name in there=2C I swear by and have always use
d "Mouse Oil." It is great stuff=2C the can stays wet because it crawls up
and out of the can=2C even sealed. How they hold those little guys still
to milk them is beyond me=2C though.
Gene
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison
From: at7000ft@gmail.com
Great info=2C thank you Jerry. Have to go get some Acetone.
rick
do not archive
On Fri=2C Aug 13=2C 2010 at 12:30 PM=2C Jerry Dotson <jdotson@erec.net> wro
te:
Penetrating Oils Compared
Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break-
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective
test of all the popular penetrants=2C with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ..................... 516 pounds
WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.
Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all n
ow
of them use it with equally good results.
Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20%
of the price.
This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try t
he homemade mix myself.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker=2C FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July=2C 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Penetrating oil comparison |
Jeez=2C what with me this morning???!!!! the oil is called "Mouse Milk"
NOW the joke at the end should make sense. Once again=2C apologies!
Gene
From: generambo@msn.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison
Just to throw another brand name in there=2C I swear by and have always use
d "Mouse Oil." It is great stuff=2C the can stays wet because it crawls up
and out of the can=2C even sealed. How they hold those little guys still
to milk them is beyond me=2C though.
Gene
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison
From: at7000ft@gmail.com
Great info=2C thank you Jerry. Have to go get some Acetone.
rick
do not archive
On Fri=2C Aug 13=2C 2010 at 12:30 PM=2C Jerry Dotson <jdotson@erec.net> wro
te:
Penetrating Oils Compared
Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break-
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective
test of all the popular penetrants=2C with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ..................... 516 pounds
WD-40 .................. 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.
Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all n
ow
of them use it with equally good results.
Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20%
of the price.
This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try t
he homemade mix myself.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker=2C FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July=2C 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Sorry=2C too quick on the smartas$. I was thinking saber saw instead of sk
ill saw and thought I saw an opening. Apologies!
Gene
do not archive
From: generambo@msn.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
I have never had any luck cutting anything with the back side of the blade
=2C but if it works for you . . .
Gene
for God's sake do not archive!
From: harvey.rule@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
A little trick I learned when working with some guys that cut aluminum was
to put the blade of the skill saw in backwards when cutting .The blade won'
t catch and it does a nice clean job of cutting.
From: Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net>
Sent: Sat=2C August 14=2C 2010 1:57:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
I can also attest to the fact that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant. Many people l
ike to use it on guns as a replacement for proper cleaning=2C and it usuall
y just gums things up even worse. Turns semi-autos into single shot firear
ms. Good for me as a gunsmith=2C not so good for the gun owner / hunter wh
o expects his gun to work properly after a quick squirt-down with the WD-40
.
I actually do keep WD-40 around=2C but only for use on damp plug wires when
my car won't start. It actually does work quite well for this=2C but it h
as practically no other use around my home or shop although I have found it
to be a good cutting fluid when working with aluminum=2C but not on any ot
her metal. But for rusty fasteners=2C I use proper penetrating oils.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana=2C IL
tail section almost done=2C starting on ribs soon
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308751#308751
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| Subject: | Re: Penetrating oil comparison |
Only for things not related to A/C. All my aluminum cutting (when
required)
is done on a band saw with a wood blade. Paraffin helps to run the blade
smoother.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Recine
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
I have heard of doing that but don't know anyone that has tried it. Has
anyone else here ever tried it with any degree or success?
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
I have never had any luck cutting anything with the back side of the
blade,
but if it works for you . . .
Gene
for God's sake do not archive!
_____
From: harvey.rule@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
A little trick I learned when working with some guys that cut aluminum
was
to put the blade of the skill saw in backwards when cutting .The blade
won't
catch and it does a nice clean job of cutting.
_____
From: Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net>
Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 1:57:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
I can also attest to the fact that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant. Many
people
like to use it on guns as a replacement for proper cleaning, and it
usually
just gums things up even worse. Turns semi-autos into single shot
firearms.
Good for me as a gunsmith, not so good for the gun owner / hunter who
expects his gun to work properly after a quick squirt-down with the
WD-40.
I actually do keep WD-40 around, but only for use on damp plug wires
when my
car won't start. It actually does work quite well for this, but it has
practically no other use around my home or shop although I have found it
to
be a good cutting fluid when working with aluminum, but not on any other
metal. But for rusty fasteners, I use proper penetrating oils.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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...just joking by the way.. wouldn't want a chinese part on my beloved machine
if I can help it.
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Mario;
Welcome to the list. Where are you located? Perhaps there
is a builder near you who can help with reading the drawings.
Better, perhaps there is a Piet that you can go look at to
take photos and compare the dimensions in the drawings to
what an actual airplane looks like.
There are only a few discrepancies in the plans, and once
you begin to build, it will be obvious that something does
not add up.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: If I knew then what I know now.... |
~3000 AC nails + tack hammer + spar varnish = leave them in forever.
There are ~9000 1/4" nails in a pound. I purchased 1# of 3 different sizes (1/4",
1/2" and 3/4") AC nails. If I use all of them I won't be too disappointed
about the weight they contributed, but I doubt that I'll even need half of them.
Perhaps it is about the additional work required to drive all those nails? It
sounds worse than it is. With a good tack hammer, a pair of needle nosed pliers
and a little practice it becomes a simple task... any extra time spent driving
those nails is partially made up by not having to remove them.
Just my two cents. I'm sure that the staple method is pretty straightforward,
I've just never tried it.
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Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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That is good to know... I may give this a try the next time I don't feel like changing
my blade just to cut a little aluminum.
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Only for things not related to A/C. All my aluminum cutting (when required) is
done on a band saw with a wood blade. Paraffin helps to run the blade smoother.
>
> Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | Re: Penetrating oil comparison |
I saw aluminum 1/8" up to 1" with a 10" 80 tooth carbide blade on my table saw
and for thinner stuff I use the band saw with whatever blade is on it. I have
a little air nibbler that works pretty good on less than 0.060". The table
saw cuts 0.060" if you just barely have the teeth up enough to cut through. A
cap, face shield with goggles behind, and skin covered up as the chips fly and
are pretty warm! The cut is really good..very little deburring.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Penetrating oil comparison |
Also, try rubbing chalk on the blade. That works very well on files with aluminum.
Cheers, Gardiner
--- On Sat, 8/14/10, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
> From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 12:04 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
>
> That is good to know... I may give this a try the next time
> I don't feel like changing my blade just to cut a little
> aluminum.
>
>
> gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> > Only for things not related to A/C. All my aluminum
> cutting (when required) is done on a band saw with a wood
> blade. Paraffin helps to run the blade smoother.
> >
> > Gary Boothe
>
>
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> Mark Chouinard
> Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
>
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| Subject: | working with aluminum |
Additionally, aluminum is very much like working with wood. In fact, many
woods are harder than aluminum!! Routers, saws, sanders...all work good on
aluminum.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
Also, try rubbing chalk on the blade. That works very well on files with
aluminum. Cheers, Gardiner
--- On Sat, 8/14/10, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
> From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 12:04 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
>
> That is good to know... I may give this a try the next time
> I don't feel like changing my blade just to cut a little
> aluminum.
>
>
> gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> > Only for things not related to A/C. All my aluminum
> cutting (when required) is done on a band saw with a wood
> blade. Paraffin helps to run the blade smoother.
> >
> > Gary Boothe
>
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| Subject: | Re: Penetrating oil comparison |
This has got nothing to do with Piets BUT ,you can get some wine bottles th
at =0Ahave a pretty sticky glue on them that can't be removed by water,well
WD-40 =0Aworks great to remove that glue.It turns it a milky white and the
n you rub it =0Aoff with paper towels.Just in case any of you Piet gal and
guys are into wine =0Amaking like I am.=0Ado not archive-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_
_______________________________=0AFrom: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@erec.net>=0AT
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, August 14, 2010 1:21:34 PM=0AS
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-L
ist message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@erec.net>=0A=0AI saw aluminu
m 1/8"- up to 1" with a 10" 80 tooth carbide blade on my table saw =0Aand
for thinner stuff I use the band saw with whatever blade is on it.- I ha
ve a =0Alittle air nibbler that works pretty good on less than 0.060". The
table saw- =0Acuts 0.060" if you just barely have the teeth up enough to
cut through. A cap, =0Aface shield with goggles behind, and skin covered up
as the chips fly and are =0Apretty warm! The cut is really good..very litt
le deburring.=0A=0A--------=0AJerry Dotson=0A59 Daniel Johnson Rd=0ABaker,
FL 32531=0A=0AStarted building- NX510JD- July, 2009=0ARibs and tailfeat
hers done=0Ausing Lycoming O-235=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:
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Gents- As embarrassing as it is to admit.....I have a Corvair engine in my
hangar. To retain my "Pietenpol Elitist" persona, I am coming out of the closet
and at the same time ridding myself of this disgraceful temptation.
I got it several years ago in a weak moment and had the heads and crank redone.
It's been plastic wrapped and boxed up since about 2004 so I don't recall all
the details. What I do have written on the box is:
Block-GM 3819615
Heads-3878569
Crank-GMT 22B 8409
I also have William Wynn's conversion manual and all the parts that came with
the engine when I pulled it. It is all there, apart, cleaned and stored.
I was approached by a Corvair car guy this week trying to scrounge the engine so
he could resell it but I thought I'd poll the listers first to see if it might
be needed by one of you who might be yearning for a "Snapper". So.....anyone out
there need a Corvair? What's your bid?
I'm in the middle of Arkansas (1AR9). If you are interested please contact me
off-list so we don't clutter up the site.
Larry Williams xcg, xcmr, epp, taco, bpa, atp, lds, eaa, ama, ushpa
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| Subject: | Re: Penetrating oil comparison |
Gene,
The Mouse Oil is for giving them a massage before milking them. They
produce much more once they are relaxed. I always give my exhaust nuts a
splash of Mouse Milk through a tube before even trying to loosen them.
Darrel
N6982M
On 8/14/2010 7:29 AM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> Jeez, what with me this morning???!!!! the oil is called "Mouse
> Milk" NOW the joke at the end should make sense. Once again, apologies!
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: generambo@msn.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison
> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:22:59 -0400
>
> Just to throw another brand name in there, I swear by and have always
> used "Mouse Oil." It is great stuff, the can stays wet because it
> crawls up and out of the can, even sealed. How they hold those little
> guys still to milk them is beyond me, though.
>
> Gene
>
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
More progress......so what do you think?
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
You didn't try to turn the crank first, did you? Looks rusted up.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
More progress......so what do you think?
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Looks ready to snap...
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
I walked away from this one because the crank didn't turn but WW told me to buy
it anyhow. For $125 he thought it was worth a shot. Can it be cleaned up?
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
Gotta get the heads off and the pistons out. If so, you stand a chance.
Looks like you need a boatload of Kroil...or WD40...or mouse milk (or was
that moose milk)...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 12:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
I walked away from this one because the crank didn't turn but WW told me to
buy it anyhow. For $125 he thought it was worth a shot. Can it be cleaned
up?
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Larry,
What are you talking about? I just got a new respect for you!! Don't let
those bottom feeding car guys close to it! In fact, what are they doing at
the airport, anyhow? They should be over at the NAPA Auto Parts parking lot
at the mini car show.
Would you like me to post your treasure on the Corvair List?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine
Gents- As embarrassing as it is to admit.....I have a Corvair engine in my
hangar. To retain my "Pietenpol Elitist" persona, I am coming out of the
closet and at the same time ridding myself of this disgraceful temptation.
I got it several years ago in a weak moment and had the heads and crank
redone. It's been plastic wrapped and boxed up since about 2004 so I don't
recall all the details. What I do have written on the box is:
Block-GM 3819615
Heads-3878569
Crank-GMT 22B 8409
I also have William Wynn's conversion manual and all the parts that came
with the engine when I pulled it. It is all there, apart, cleaned and
stored.
I was approached by a Corvair car guy this week trying to scrounge the
engine so he could resell it but I thought I'd poll the listers first to see
if it might be needed by one of you who might be yearning for a "Snapper".
So.....anyone out there need a Corvair? What's your bid?
I'm in the middle of Arkansas (1AR9). If you are interested please contact
me off-list so we don't clutter up the site.
Larry Williams xcg, xcmr, epp, taco, bpa, atp, lds, eaa, ama, ushpa
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
What? That's the way they're s'posed to look...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Looks ready to snap...
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
More progress......so what do you think?
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Mr. Kringle,
Are you reading this?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine
Gents- As embarrassing as it is to admit.....I have a Corvair engine in my
hangar. To retain my "Pietenpol Elitist" persona, I am coming out of the
closet and at the same time ridding myself of this disgraceful temptation.
I got it several years ago in a weak moment and had the heads and crank
redone. It's been plastic wrapped and boxed up since about 2004 so I don't
recall all the details. What I do have written on the box is:
Block-GM 3819615
Heads-3878569
Crank-GMT 22B 8409
I also have William Wynn's conversion manual and all the parts that came
with the engine when I pulled it. It is all there, apart, cleaned and
stored.
I was approached by a Corvair car guy this week trying to scrounge the
engine so he could resell it but I thought I'd poll the listers first to see
if it might be needed by one of you who might be yearning for a "Snapper".
So.....anyone out there need a Corvair? What's your bid?
I'm in the middle of Arkansas (1AR9). If you are interested please contact
me off-list so we don't clutter up the site.
Larry Williams xcg, xcmr, epp, taco, bpa, atp, lds, eaa, ama, ushpa
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
Drained the oil and took the oil pan off. I pulled the plugs and spun the engine
360 degrees. I found water in two cylinders. I sprayed everything down with
pb blaster and poured some marvel mystery oil into the cylinders. I'll let
that sit for a while and rotate the engine every few days
at 90 degrees to get the oil all around. I removed some of corrosion with a wire
brush and found just some slight pitting on the cast parts. I don't know how
critical that is. I've got plenty of time to break this engine loose and get
it apart.
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
OK, the Pietenpols are old tech, as are horse drawn buggies. Now if we
can work a buggy whip into the crank-snappin' Corvairs, we could be the
Whipper Snapping Corvair Cranks.
Boy, that didn't look as good as I thought it wold sound. Back to work.
Darrel
Pfeifer Sport
Sonoma, CA
I've got one of those rusty, no-crank-turning cores in the hangar. It
will make a great coffee table base or lawn ornament. For $125 there
might be some exchangeable core cylinders or other parts.
On 8/14/2010 12:35 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe"<gboothe5@comcast.net>
>
> What? That's the way they're s'posed to look...
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (20 ribs down.)
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Phillips
> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:56 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Looks ready to snap...
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
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Yes
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| Subject: | OT Our new addition to the CAF hanger! |
Hey gang, just thought I'd share our new toy at the Centex Wing in San Marcos,
TX. It was jointly purchased by two of our members, one being our A&P. Its not
a Piet, but just as cool!
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| Subject: | Re: OT Our new addition to the CAF hanger! |
Not a Piet, someone get a rope!
Congrats and enjoy
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Less Yawanna
In a message dated 8/14/2010 8:24:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kklaus1@austin.rr.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kelly Klaus"
<kklaus1@austin.rr.com>
Hey gang, just thought I'd share our new toy at the Centex Wing in San
Marcos, TX. It was jointly purchased by two of our members, one being our A&P.
Its not a Piet, but just as cool!
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
that's weird, it looks ALOT like the 2 in my garage!
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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Holy cow, looks like something salvaged from the Titanic. But keep at it
people have been successful with worse.
rick
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| Subject: | OT Our new addition to the CAF hanger! |
Maybe she'll be a Piet when she grows up...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Klaus
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT Our new addition to the CAF hanger!
Hey gang, just thought I'd share our new toy at the Centex Wing in San
Marcos, TX. It was jointly purchased by two of our members, one being our
A&P. Its not a Piet, but just as cool!
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>From the Fly Baby list....crossposted per the A-65 for sale for those that
are looking.....
Ryan
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From: Ron Wanttaja <ron.wanttaja@comcast.net>
Subject: [flybabylist] Fly Baby Project For Sale
This sounds like a pretty good deal...
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Hi, my name is Bob Elder. I am the proud owner of two Flybabys and I
would like to sell the project N709A.
It is on the wheels with a new fuselage and new tail
feathers, needs to be covered. I have wings, engine mount, many other
parts Plus Stewarts covering sys. including fabric. All the hardware
from original airplane plus parts for Biplane.
Its 90 % done with 90% to go. $1600
Also A65-8 in a box, will fit the Flybaby . $2500
Robert Elder
Prosser Wa. 99350
509-786-5903
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Ron Wanttaja
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| Subject: | Re: plans messures |
Hello
Nice to meet you Oscar; I remember you from your Squirrel page; and your Spanish
name and surename.
I am from Uruguay, and unfortunetly there is not any piet around in the country,
at least any known. The experimental, and ultralight universe here is small
and (I do not know why) very closed. I am a kind of crazy people just because
I plan to build an airplane ( I know, its a not common thing to do) , but is the
only way I have to fly, any ultralight si very expensive, so why not build
one?.
I decide to build this because it is enterely of wood, and this is the only aircraft
material I can find here; aluminium 6061 do not exist, may be in Brazil,
or Argentine, but to expendive. so the options where two, a Piet or a SkyPup.
We chose the Piet. But the plans are... a guide, not real plans; lost mesures,
not very clear drawings, may be incomplete, or with differences in mesures from
one poijnt of view to another. The wing profile ... why not a simple cad file?.
Thank for your words about "obvious".. ;0) I think a lot of things may come from
one, they are not very difficult to resolv; but is an airplane, not a boat,
so I prefer to be a little more sure on the things I will do.
Thank you Oscar, I hope have something done in few weeks. here is the state of it now http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/ ;0)
Regards.
Mario
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| Subject: | Re: plans messures |
Hi Mario,
The plans are actually pretty darn complete, especially for something drawn
up by relative amateurs 80 years ago. If you are confused by a particular
part of a drawing you can certainly ask here, and there are many
knowledgable, experienced builders who can help...but I think you will also
find that if you just study the plans a bit more you will often find the
answer. In many places that plans do not duplicate information between
different views of part of the structure. If you are looking at a top view
and can't find dimensions for a certain piece, odds are they were already
given on the side view or the bottom view, for example.
As far as the wing profile (I assume you mean wing rib), there's no CAD file
because CAD did not exist when the plans were drawn up. It's not terribly
difficult to loft the dimensions on to a board to start your jig. There is
an error in one of those measurements, but it is obvious and you will see
it, and you can correct it. Or, for $20 more you can buy a full size rib jig
print and just secure that to your jig board and build on top of that.
Have fun!
Ryan
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:06 PM, giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
>
> Hello
> Nice to meet you Oscar; I remember you from your Squirrel page; and your
> Spanish name and surename.
> I am from Uruguay, and unfortunetly there is not any piet around in the
> country, at least any known. The experimental, and ultralight universe here
> is small and (I do not know why) very closed. I am a kind of crazy people
> just because I plan to build an airplane ( I know, its a not common thing to
> do) , but is the only way I have to fly, any ultralight si very expensive,
> so why not build one?.
>
> I decide to build this because it is enterely of wood, and this is the only
> aircraft material I can find here; aluminium 6061 do not exist, may be in
> Brazil, or Argentine, but to expendive. so the options where two, a Piet or
> a SkyPup. We chose the Piet. But the plans are... a guide, not real plans;
> lost mesures, not very clear drawings, may be incomplete, or with
> differences in mesures from one poijnt of view to another. The wing profile
> ... why not a simple cad file?.
>
> Thank for your words about "obvious".. ;0) I think a lot of things may
> come from one, they are not very difficult to resolv; but is an airplane,
> not a boat, so I prefer to be a little more sure on the things I will do.
>
> Thank you Oscar, I hope have something done in few weeks. here is the state
> of it now http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/ ;0)
>
> Regards.
>
> Mario
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308855#308855
>
>
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