---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/14/10: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:10 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (H RULE) 2. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Jim Markle) 3. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Gene Rambo) 4. 07:23 AM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Gene Rambo) 5. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (John Recine) 6. 07:31 AM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Gene Rambo) 7. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Gene Rambo) 8. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Gary Boothe) 9. 08:07 AM - Re: A-7 Mag Switch (TriScout) 10. 08:26 AM - plans messures (Oscar Zuniga) 11. 08:56 AM - Re: If I knew then what I know now.... (K5YAC) 12. 09:04 AM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (K5YAC) 13. 10:21 AM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Jerry Dotson) 14. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (airlion) 15. 10:35 AM - working with aluminum (Gary Boothe) 16. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Penetrating oil comparison (H RULE) 17. 11:27 AM - Corvair engine (Lawrence Williams) 18. 11:33 AM - Re: Penetrating oil comparison (Darrel Jones) 19. 11:35 AM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle) 20. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Gary Boothe) 21. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Jack Phillips) 22. 12:03 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle) 23. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Gary Boothe) 24. 12:27 PM - Re: Corvair engine (Gary Boothe) 25. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Gary Boothe) 26. 12:36 PM - Re: Corvair engine (Gary Boothe) 27. 01:44 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle) 28. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Darrel Jones) 29. 03:03 PM - Re: Corvair engine (Kringle) 30. 05:23 PM - OT Our new addition to the CAF hanger! (Kelly Klaus) 31. 05:40 PM - Re: OT Our new addition to the CAF hanger! (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 32. 05:50 PM - Re: Got an engine! (echobravo4) 33. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Rick Holland) 34. 07:52 PM - Re: OT Our new addition to the CAF hanger! (Gary Boothe) 35. 09:01 PM - Fw: [flybabylist] Fly Baby Project For Sale (A-65 in here) (Ryan Mueller) 36. 09:06 PM - Re: plans messures (giacummo) 37. 09:23 PM - Re: Re: plans messures (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:21 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison A little trick-I learned when working with some guys that cut aluminum- was to =0Aput the blade of the skill saw in backwards when cutting .The bla de won't catch =0Aand it does a nice clean job of cutting.=0A=0A=0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0AFrom: Billy McCaskill =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, August 14, 2010 1:57:53 AM=0ASubj ect: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Billy McCaskill" =0A=0AI can also atte st to the fact that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant.- Many people like =0Ato use it on guns as a replacement for proper cleaning, and it usually just gums =0Athings up even worse.- Turns semi-autos into single shot firearms.- Good for me =0Aas a gunsmith, not so good for the gun owner / hunter who ex pects his gun to =0Awork properly after a quick squirt-down with the WD-40. =0A=0AI actually do keep WD-40 around, but only for use on damp plug wires when my car =0Awon't start.- It actually does work quite well for this, b ut it has practically =0Ano other use around my home or shop although I hav e found it to be a good =0Acutting fluid when working with aluminum, but no t on any other metal.- But for =0Arusty fasteners, I use proper penetrati ng oils.=0A=0A--------=0ABilly McCaskill=0AUrbana, IL=0Atail section almost done, starting on ribs soon=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308751#308751=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================0A ================= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:17 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison Oooh, thanks! That's a neat idea. -----Original Message----- From: H RULE Sent: Aug 14, 2010 6:09 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison A little trick I learned when working with some guys that cut aluminum was to put the blade of the skill saw in backwards when cutting .The blade won't catch and it does a nice clean job of cutting. From: Billy McCaskill Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 1:57:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison I can also attest to the fact that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant. Many people like to use it on guns as a replacement for proper cleaning, and it usually just gums things up even worse. Turns semi-autos into single shot firearms. Good for me as a gunsmith, not so good for the gun owner / hunter who expects his gun to work properly after a quick squirt-down with the WD-40. I actually do keep WD-40 around, but only for use on damp plug wires when my car won't start. It actually does work quite well for this, but it has practically no other use around my home or shop although I have found it to be a good cutting fluid when working with aluminum, but not on any other metal. But for rusty fasteners, I use proper penetrating oils. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308751#308751 ====== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:45 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison I have never had any luck cutting anything with the back side of the blade =2C but if it works for you . . . Gene for God's sake do not archive! From: harvey.rule@rogers.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison A little trick I learned when working with some guys that cut aluminum was to put the blade of the skill saw in backwards when cutting .The blade won' t catch and it does a nice clean job of cutting. From: Billy McCaskill Sent: Sat=2C August 14=2C 2010 1:57:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison I can also attest to the fact that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant. Many people l ike to use it on guns as a replacement for proper cleaning=2C and it usuall y just gums things up even worse. Turns semi-autos into single shot firear ms. Good for me as a gunsmith=2C not so good for the gun owner / hunter wh o expects his gun to work properly after a quick squirt-down with the WD-40 .. I actually do keep WD-40 around=2C but only for use on damp plug wires when my car won't start. It actually does work quite well for this=2C but it h as practically no other use around my home or shop although I have found it to be a good cutting fluid when working with aluminum=2C but not on any ot her metal. But for rusty fasteners=2C I use proper penetrating oils. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana=2C IL tail section almost done=2C starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308751#308751 = --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.mat roni=3B &nbatronics.com/contribution" ===== = ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:11 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison Just to throw another brand name in there=2C I swear by and have always use d "Mouse Oil." It is great stuff=2C the can stays wet because it crawls up and out of the can=2C even sealed. How they hold those little guys still to milk them is beyond me=2C though. Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison From: at7000ft@gmail.com Great info=2C thank you Jerry. Have to go get some Acetone. rick do not archive On Fri=2C Aug 13=2C 2010 at 12:30 PM=2C Jerry Dotson wro te: Penetrating Oils Compared Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break- out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants=2C with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. Penetrating oil ..... Average load None ..................... 516 pounds WD-40 .................. 238 pounds PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all n ow of them use it with equally good results. Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try t he homemade mix myself. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker=2C FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July=2C 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308690#308690 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le=2C List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock=2C Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers=2C that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison From: "John Recine" SSBoYXZlIGhlYXJkIG9mIGRvaW5nIHRoYXQgYnV0IGRvbid0IGtub3cgYW55b25lIHRoYXQgaGFz IHRyaWVkIGl0LiBIYXMgYW55b25lIGVsc2UgaGVyZSBldmVyIHRyaWVkIGl0IHdpdGggYW55IGRl Z3JlZSBvciBzdWNjZXNzPw0KDQpKb2huIA0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IFZlcml6b24gV2lyZWxlc3Mg QmxhY2tCZXJyeQ0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogR2VuZSBSYW1i byA8Z2VuZXJhbWJvQG1zbi5jb20+DQpTZW5kZXI6IG93bmVyLXBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0LXNlcnZl ckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpEYXRlOiBTYXQsIDE0IEF1ZyAyMDEwIDEwOjE0OjE3IA0KVG86IHBp ZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0PHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpSZXBseS1UbzogcGll dGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KU3ViamVjdDogUkU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBS ZTogUGVuZXRyYXRpbmcgb2lsIGNvbXBhcmlzb24NCg0KDQpJIGhhdmUgbmV2ZXIgaGFkIGFueSBs dWNrIGN1dHRpbmcgYW55dGhpbmcgd2l0aCB0aGUgYmFjayBzaWRlIG9mIHRoZSBibGFkZSwgYnV0 IGlmIGl0IHdvcmtzIGZvciB5b3UgLiAuIC4gDQogDQpHZW5lDQpmb3IgR29kJ3Mgc2FrZSBkbyBu b3QgYXJjaGl2ZSENCiANCg0KDQpEYXRlOiBTYXQsIDE0IEF1ZyAyMDEwIDA0OjA5OjI0IC0wNzAw DQpGcm9tOiBoYXJ2ZXkucnVsZUByb2dlcnMuY29tDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogUGlldGVucG9sLUxp c3Q6IFJlOiBQZW5ldHJhdGluZyBvaWwgY29tcGFyaXNvbg0KVG86IHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1h dHJvbmljcy5jb20NCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCkEgbGl0dGxlIHRyaWNrIEkgbGVhcm5lZCB3aGVuIHdv cmtpbmcgd2l0aCBzb21lIGd1eXMgdGhhdCBjdXQgYWx1bWludW0gd2FzIHRvIHB1dCB0aGUgYmxh ZGUgb2YgdGhlIHNraWxsIHNhdyBpbiBiYWNrd2FyZHMgd2hlbiBjdXR0aW5nIC5UaGUgYmxhZGUg d29uJ3QgY2F0Y2ggYW5kIGl0IGRvZXMgYSBuaWNlIGNsZWFuIGpvYiBvZiBjdXR0aW5nLg0KDQoN Cg0KDQpGcm9tOiBCaWxseSBNY0Nhc2tpbGwgPGJpbGxtekBjb3gubmV0Pg0KVG86IHBpZXRlbnBv bC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NClNlbnQ6IFNhdCwgQXVndXN0IDE0LCAyMDEwIDE6NTc6NTMg QU0NClN1YmplY3Q6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBSZTogUGVuZXRyYXRpbmcgb2lsIGNvbXBhcmlz b24NCg0KLS0+IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UgcG9zdGVkIGJ5OiAiQmlsbHkgTWNDYXNr aWxsIiA8YmlsbG16QGNveC5uZXQ+DQoNCkkgY2FuIGFsc28gYXR0ZXN0IHRvIHRoZSBmYWN0IHRo YXQgV0QtNDAgaXMgTk9UIGEgbHVicmljYW50LiAgTWFueSBwZW9wbGUgbGlrZSB0byB1c2UgaXQg b24gZ3VucyBhcyBhIHJlcGxhY2VtZW50IGZvciBwcm9wZXIgY2xlYW5pbmcsIGFuZCBpdCB1c3Vh bGx5IGp1c3QgZ3VtcyB0aGluZ3MgdXAgZXZlbiB3b3JzZS4gIFR1cm5zIHNlbWktYXV0b3MgaW50 byBzaW5nbGUgc2hvdCBmaXJlYXJtcy4gIEdvb2QgZm9yIG1lIGFzIGEgZ3Vuc21pdGgsIG5vdCBz byBnb29kIGZvciB0aGUgZ3VuIG93bmVyIC8gaHVudGVyIHdobyBleHBlY3RzIGhpcyBndW4gdG8g d29yayBwcm9wZXJseSBhZnRlciBhIHF1aWNrIHNxdWlydC1kb3duIHdpdGggdGhlIFdELTQwLg0K DQpJIGFjdHVhbGx5IGRvIGtlZXAgV0QtNDAgYXJvdW5kLCBidXQgb25seSBmb3IgdXNlIG9uIGRh bXAgcGx1ZyB3aXJlcyB3aGVuIG15IGNhciB3b24ndCBzdGFydC4gIEl0IGFjdHVhbGx5IGRvZXMg d29yayBxdWl0ZSB3ZWxsIGZvciB0aGlzLCBidXQgaXQgaGFzIHByYWN0aWNhbGx5IG5vIG90aGVy IHVzZSBhcm91bmQgbXkgaG9tZSBvciBzaG9wIGFsdGhvdWdoIEkgaGF2ZSBmb3VuZCBpdCB0byBi ZSBhIGdvb2QgY3V0dGluZyBmbHVpZCB3aGVuIHdvcmtpbmcgd2l0aCBhbHVtaW51bSwgYnV0IG5v dCBvbiBhbnkgb3RoZXIgbWV0YWwuICBCdXQgZm9yIHJ1c3R5IGZhc3RlbmVycywgSSB1c2UgcHJv cGVyIHBlbmV0cmF0aW5nIG9pbHMuDQoNCi0tLS0tLS0tDQpCaWxseSBNY0Nhc2tpbGwNClVyYmFu YSwgSUwNCnRhaWwgc2VjdGlvbiBhbG1vc3QgZG9uZSwgc3RhcnRpbmcgb24gcmlicyBzb29uDQoN Cg0KDQoNClJlYWQgdGhpcyB0b3BpYyBvbmxpbmUgaGVyZToNCg0KaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRy b25pY3MuY29tL3ZpZXd0b3BpYy5waHA/cD0zMDg3NTEjMzA4NzUxDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCj0g IC0tPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vTmF2aWdhdG9yP1BpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0aHR0 cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pOyAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICZuYmF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9j b250cmlidXRpb24iID09PT09PT0NCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICA9 DQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:08 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison Jeez=2C what with me this morning???!!!! the oil is called "Mouse Milk" NOW the joke at the end should make sense. Once again=2C apologies! Gene From: generambo@msn.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison Just to throw another brand name in there=2C I swear by and have always use d "Mouse Oil." It is great stuff=2C the can stays wet because it crawls up and out of the can=2C even sealed. How they hold those little guys still to milk them is beyond me=2C though. Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison From: at7000ft@gmail.com Great info=2C thank you Jerry. Have to go get some Acetone. rick do not archive On Fri=2C Aug 13=2C 2010 at 12:30 PM=2C Jerry Dotson wro te: Penetrating Oils Compared Machinist's Workshop magazine tested various penetrants for break- out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants=2C with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. Penetrating oil ..... Average load None ..................... 516 pounds WD-40 .................. 238 pounds PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note that the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. A local machinist group has mixed up a batch and all n ow of them use it with equally good results. Notice also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. This was sent to me by email and I have not verified but am going to try t he homemade mix myself. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker=2C FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July=2C 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308690#308690 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le=2C List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock=2C Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers=2C that smell bad" st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:26 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison Sorry=2C too quick on the smartas$. I was thinking saber saw instead of sk ill saw and thought I saw an opening. Apologies! Gene do not archive From: generambo@msn.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison I have never had any luck cutting anything with the back side of the blade =2C but if it works for you . . . Gene for God's sake do not archive! From: harvey.rule@rogers.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison A little trick I learned when working with some guys that cut aluminum was to put the blade of the skill saw in backwards when cutting .The blade won' t catch and it does a nice clean job of cutting. From: Billy McCaskill Sent: Sat=2C August 14=2C 2010 1:57:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison I can also attest to the fact that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant. Many people l ike to use it on guns as a replacement for proper cleaning=2C and it usuall y just gums things up even worse. Turns semi-autos into single shot firear ms. Good for me as a gunsmith=2C not so good for the gun owner / hunter wh o expects his gun to work properly after a quick squirt-down with the WD-40 .. I actually do keep WD-40 around=2C but only for use on damp plug wires when my car won't start. It actually does work quite well for this=2C but it h as practically no other use around my home or shop although I have found it to be a good cutting fluid when working with aluminum=2C but not on any ot her metal. But for rusty fasteners=2C I use proper penetrating oils. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana=2C IL tail section almost done=2C starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308751#308751 <===== --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp ://forums.matroni=3B &nbatronics.com/contribution" = ===== st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:31 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison Only for things not related to A/C. All my aluminum cutting (when required) is done on a band saw with a wood blade. Paraffin helps to run the blade smoother. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Recine Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:25 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison I have heard of doing that but don't know anyone that has tried it. Has anyone else here ever tried it with any degree or success? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _____ From: Gene Rambo Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison I have never had any luck cutting anything with the back side of the blade, but if it works for you . . . Gene for God's sake do not archive! _____ From: harvey.rule@rogers.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison A little trick I learned when working with some guys that cut aluminum was to put the blade of the skill saw in backwards when cutting .The blade won't catch and it does a nice clean job of cutting. _____ From: Billy McCaskill Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 1:57:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison I can also attest to the fact that WD-40 is NOT a lubricant. Many people like to use it on guns as a replacement for proper cleaning, and it usually just gums things up even worse. Turns semi-autos into single shot firearms. Good for me as a gunsmith, not so good for the gun owner / hunter who expects his gun to work properly after a quick squirt-down with the WD-40. I actually do keep WD-40 around, but only for use on damp plug wires when my car won't start. It actually does work quite well for this, but it has practically no other use around my home or shop although I have found it to be a good cutting fluid when working with aluminum, but not on any other metal. But for rusty fasteners, I use proper penetrating oils. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308751#308751 <===== --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matroni; &nbatronics.com/contribution" ====== st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ~=B2 _____ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-7 Mag Switch From: "TriScout" ...just joking by the way.. wouldn't want a chinese part on my beloved machine if I can help it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308780#308780 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:07 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: plans messures Mario; Welcome to the list. Where are you located? Perhaps there is a builder near you who can help with reading the drawings. Better, perhaps there is a Piet that you can go look at to take photos and compare the dimensions in the drawings to what an actual airplane looks like. There are only a few discrepancies in the plans, and once you begin to build, it will be obvious that something does not add up. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: If I knew then what I know now.... From: "K5YAC" ~3000 AC nails + tack hammer + spar varnish = leave them in forever. There are ~9000 1/4" nails in a pound. I purchased 1# of 3 different sizes (1/4", 1/2" and 3/4") AC nails. If I use all of them I won't be too disappointed about the weight they contributed, but I doubt that I'll even need half of them. Perhaps it is about the additional work required to drive all those nails? It sounds worse than it is. With a good tack hammer, a pair of needle nosed pliers and a little practice it becomes a simple task... any extra time spent driving those nails is partially made up by not having to remove them. Just my two cents. I'm sure that the staple method is pretty straightforward, I've just never tried it. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308788#308788 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison From: "K5YAC" That is good to know... I may give this a try the next time I don't feel like changing my blade just to cut a little aluminum. gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote: > Only for things not related to A/C. All my aluminum cutting (when required) is done on a band saw with a wood blade. Paraffin helps to run the blade smoother. > > Gary Boothe -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308791#308791 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison From: "Jerry Dotson" I saw aluminum 1/8" up to 1" with a 10" 80 tooth carbide blade on my table saw and for thinner stuff I use the band saw with whatever blade is on it. I have a little air nibbler that works pretty good on less than 0.060". The table saw cuts 0.060" if you just barely have the teeth up enough to cut through. A cap, face shield with goggles behind, and skin covered up as the chips fly and are pretty warm! The cut is really good..very little deburring. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308795#308795 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:40 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison Also, try rubbing chalk on the blade. That works very well on files with aluminum. Cheers, Gardiner --- On Sat, 8/14/10, K5YAC wrote: > From: K5YAC > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 12:04 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "K5YAC" > > That is good to know... I may give this a try the next time > I don't feel like changing my blade just to cut a little > aluminum. > > > gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote: > > Only for things not related to A/C. All my aluminum > cutting (when required) is done on a band saw with a wood > blade. Paraffin helps to run the blade smoother. > > > > Gary Boothe > > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308791#308791 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:36 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: working with aluminum Additionally, aluminum is very much like working with wood. In fact, many woods are harder than aluminum!! Routers, saws, sanders...all work good on aluminum. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison Also, try rubbing chalk on the blade. That works very well on files with aluminum. Cheers, Gardiner --- On Sat, 8/14/10, K5YAC wrote: > From: K5YAC > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 12:04 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "K5YAC" > > That is good to know... I may give this a try the next time > I don't feel like changing my blade just to cut a little > aluminum. > > > gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote: > > Only for things not related to A/C. All my aluminum > cutting (when required) is done on a band saw with a wood > blade. Paraffin helps to run the blade smoother. > > > > Gary Boothe > > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308791#308791 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:46 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison This has got nothing to do with Piets BUT ,you can get some wine bottles th at =0Ahave a pretty sticky glue on them that can't be removed by water,well WD-40 =0Aworks great to remove that glue.It turns it a milky white and the n you rub it =0Aoff with paper towels.Just in case any of you Piet gal and guys are into wine =0Amaking like I am.=0Ado not archive-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0AFrom: Jerry Dotson =0AT o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, August 14, 2010 1:21:34 PM=0AS ubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Penetrating oil comparison=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-L ist message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" =0A=0AI saw aluminu m 1/8"- up to 1" with a 10" 80 tooth carbide blade on my table saw =0Aand for thinner stuff I use the band saw with whatever blade is on it.- I ha ve a =0Alittle air nibbler that works pretty good on less than 0.060". The table saw- =0Acuts 0.060" if you just barely have the teeth up enough to cut through. A cap, =0Aface shield with goggles behind, and skin covered up as the chips fly and are =0Apretty warm! The cut is really good..very litt le deburring.=0A=0A--------=0AJerry Dotson=0A59 Daniel Johnson Rd=0ABaker, FL 32531=0A=0AStarted building- NX510JD- July, 2009=0ARibs and tailfeat hers done=0Ausing Lycoming O-235=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308795#308795=0A=0A=0A =================== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:01 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine Gents- As embarrassing as it is to admit.....I have a Corvair engine in my hangar. To retain my "Pietenpol Elitist" persona, I am coming out of the closet and at the same time ridding myself of this disgraceful temptation. I got it several years ago in a weak moment and had the heads and crank redone. It's been plastic wrapped and boxed up since about 2004 so I don't recall all the details. What I do have written on the box is: Block-GM 3819615 Heads-3878569 Crank-GMT 22B 8409 I also have William Wynn's conversion manual and all the parts that came with the engine when I pulled it. It is all there, apart, cleaned and stored. I was approached by a Corvair car guy this week trying to scrounge the engine so he could resell it but I thought I'd poll the listers first to see if it might be needed by one of you who might be yearning for a "Snapper". So.....anyone out there need a Corvair? What's your bid? I'm in the middle of Arkansas (1AR9). If you are interested please contact me off-list so we don't clutter up the site. Larry Williams xcg, xcmr, epp, taco, bpa, atp, lds, eaa, ama, ushpa ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:44 AM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison Gene, The Mouse Oil is for giving them a massage before milking them. They produce much more once they are relaxed. I always give my exhaust nuts a splash of Mouse Milk through a tube before even trying to loosen them. Darrel N6982M On 8/14/2010 7:29 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Jeez, what with me this morning???!!!! the oil is called "Mouse > Milk" NOW the joke at the end should make sense. Once again, apologies! > > Gene > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: generambo@msn.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Penetrating oil comparison > Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:22:59 -0400 > > Just to throw another brand name in there, I swear by and have always > used "Mouse Oil." It is great stuff, the can stays wet because it > crawls up and out of the can, even sealed. How they hold those little > guys still to milk them is beyond me, though. > > Gene > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! From: "Kringle" More progress......so what do you think? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308807#308807 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank2_709.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_156.jpg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:50 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! You didn't try to turn the crank first, did you? Looks rusted up. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! More progress......so what do you think? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308807#308807 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank2_709.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_156.jpg ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:23 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! Looks ready to snap... Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 2:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! More progress......so what do you think? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308807#308807 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank2_709.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_156.jpg ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! From: "Kringle" I walked away from this one because the crank didn't turn but WW told me to buy it anyhow. For $125 he thought it was worth a shot. Can it be cleaned up? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308811#308811 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:41 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! Gotta get the heads off and the pistons out. If so, you stand a chance. Looks like you need a boatload of Kroil...or WD40...or mouse milk (or was that moose milk)... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 12:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! I walked away from this one because the crank didn't turn but WW told me to buy it anyhow. For $125 he thought it was worth a shot. Can it be cleaned up? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308811#308811 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:09 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine Larry, What are you talking about? I just got a new respect for you!! Don't let those bottom feeding car guys close to it! In fact, what are they doing at the airport, anyhow? They should be over at the NAPA Auto Parts parking lot at the mini car show. Would you like me to post your treasure on the Corvair List? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Williams Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine Gents- As embarrassing as it is to admit.....I have a Corvair engine in my hangar. To retain my "Pietenpol Elitist" persona, I am coming out of the closet and at the same time ridding myself of this disgraceful temptation. I got it several years ago in a weak moment and had the heads and crank redone. It's been plastic wrapped and boxed up since about 2004 so I don't recall all the details. What I do have written on the box is: Block-GM 3819615 Heads-3878569 Crank-GMT 22B 8409 I also have William Wynn's conversion manual and all the parts that came with the engine when I pulled it. It is all there, apart, cleaned and stored. I was approached by a Corvair car guy this week trying to scrounge the engine so he could resell it but I thought I'd poll the listers first to see if it might be needed by one of you who might be yearning for a "Snapper". So.....anyone out there need a Corvair? What's your bid? I'm in the middle of Arkansas (1AR9). If you are interested please contact me off-list so we don't clutter up the site. Larry Williams xcg, xcmr, epp, taco, bpa, atp, lds, eaa, ama, ushpa ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:52 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! What? That's the way they're s'posed to look... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! Looks ready to snap... Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 2:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! More progress......so what do you think? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308807#308807 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank2_709.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_156.jpg ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:42 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine Mr. Kringle, Are you reading this? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Williams Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair engine Gents- As embarrassing as it is to admit.....I have a Corvair engine in my hangar. To retain my "Pietenpol Elitist" persona, I am coming out of the closet and at the same time ridding myself of this disgraceful temptation. I got it several years ago in a weak moment and had the heads and crank redone. It's been plastic wrapped and boxed up since about 2004 so I don't recall all the details. What I do have written on the box is: Block-GM 3819615 Heads-3878569 Crank-GMT 22B 8409 I also have William Wynn's conversion manual and all the parts that came with the engine when I pulled it. It is all there, apart, cleaned and stored. I was approached by a Corvair car guy this week trying to scrounge the engine so he could resell it but I thought I'd poll the listers first to see if it might be needed by one of you who might be yearning for a "Snapper". So.....anyone out there need a Corvair? What's your bid? I'm in the middle of Arkansas (1AR9). If you are interested please contact me off-list so we don't clutter up the site. Larry Williams xcg, xcmr, epp, taco, bpa, atp, lds, eaa, ama, ushpa ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! From: "Kringle" Drained the oil and took the oil pan off. I pulled the plugs and spun the engine 360 degrees. I found water in two cylinders. I sprayed everything down with pb blaster and poured some marvel mystery oil into the cylinders. I'll let that sit for a while and rotate the engine every few days at 90 degrees to get the oil all around. I removed some of corrosion with a wire brush and found just some slight pitting on the cast parts. I don't know how critical that is. I've got plenty of time to break this engine loose and get it apart. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308821#308821 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:24 PM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! OK, the Pietenpols are old tech, as are horse drawn buggies. Now if we can work a buggy whip into the crank-snappin' Corvairs, we could be the Whipper Snapping Corvair Cranks. Boy, that didn't look as good as I thought it wold sound. Back to work. Darrel Pfeifer Sport Sonoma, CA I've got one of those rusty, no-crank-turning cores in the hangar. It will make a great coffee table base or lawn ornament. For $125 there might be some exchangeable core cylinders or other parts. On 8/14/2010 12:35 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" > > What? That's the way they're s'posed to look... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (20 ribs down.) > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Phillips > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:56 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > > Looks ready to snap... > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair engine From: "Kringle" Yes -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308833#308833 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT Our new addition to the CAF hanger! From: "Kelly Klaus" Hey gang, just thought I'd share our new toy at the Centex Wing in San Marcos, TX. It was jointly purchased by two of our members, one being our A&P. Its not a Piet, but just as cool! -------- Kelly Klaus Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308841#308841 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/stearman_448.jpg ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:32 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT Our new addition to the CAF hanger! Not a Piet, someone get a rope! Congrats and enjoy Do not archive Less Yawanna In a message dated 8/14/2010 8:24:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kklaus1@austin.rr.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kelly Klaus" Hey gang, just thought I'd share our new toy at the Centex Wing in San Marcos, TX. It was jointly purchased by two of our members, one being our A&P. Its not a Piet, but just as cool! -------- Kelly Klaus Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308841#308841 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/stearman_448.jpg ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! From: "echobravo4" that's weird, it looks ALOT like the 2 in my garage! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308843#308843 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! From: Rick Holland Holy cow, looks like something salvaged from the Titanic. But keep at it people have been successful with worse. rick On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Kringle wrote: > > More progress......so what do you think? > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308807#308807 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank2_709.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/crank_156.jpg > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:05 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: OT Our new addition to the CAF hanger! Maybe she'll be a Piet when she grows up... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Klaus Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT Our new addition to the CAF hanger! Hey gang, just thought I'd share our new toy at the Centex Wing in San Marcos, TX. It was jointly purchased by two of our members, one being our A&P. Its not a Piet, but just as cool! -------- Kelly Klaus Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308841#308841 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/stearman_448.jpg ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: [flybabylist] Fly Baby Project For Sale (A-65 in here) From: Ryan Mueller >From the Fly Baby list....crossposted per the A-65 for sale for those that are looking..... Ryan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ron Wanttaja Subject: [flybabylist] Fly Baby Project For Sale This sounds like a pretty good deal... ---------------------------- Hi, my name is Bob Elder. I am the proud owner of two Flybabys and I would like to sell the project N709A. It is on the wheels with a new fuselage and new tail feathers, needs to be covered. I have wings, engine mount, many other parts Plus Stewarts covering sys. including fabric. All the hardware from original airplane plus parts for Biplane. Its 90 % done with 90% to go. $1600 Also A65-8 in a box, will fit the Flybaby . $2500 Robert Elder Prosser Wa. 99350 509-786-5903 ----------------------------- Ron Wanttaja __._, ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: plans messures From: "giacummo" Hello Nice to meet you Oscar; I remember you from your Squirrel page; and your Spanish name and surename. I am from Uruguay, and unfortunetly there is not any piet around in the country, at least any known. The experimental, and ultralight universe here is small and (I do not know why) very closed. I am a kind of crazy people just because I plan to build an airplane ( I know, its a not common thing to do) , but is the only way I have to fly, any ultralight si very expensive, so why not build one?. I decide to build this because it is enterely of wood, and this is the only aircraft material I can find here; aluminium 6061 do not exist, may be in Brazil, or Argentine, but to expendive. so the options where two, a Piet or a SkyPup. We chose the Piet. But the plans are... a guide, not real plans; lost mesures, not very clear drawings, may be incomplete, or with differences in mesures from one poijnt of view to another. The wing profile ... why not a simple cad file?. Thank for your words about "obvious".. ;0) I think a lot of things may come from one, they are not very difficult to resolv; but is an airplane, not a boat, so I prefer to be a little more sure on the things I will do. Thank you Oscar, I hope have something done in few weeks. here is the state of it now http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/ ;0) Regards. Mario Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308855#308855 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: plans messures From: Ryan Mueller Hi Mario, The plans are actually pretty darn complete, especially for something drawn up by relative amateurs 80 years ago. If you are confused by a particular part of a drawing you can certainly ask here, and there are many knowledgable, experienced builders who can help...but I think you will also find that if you just study the plans a bit more you will often find the answer. In many places that plans do not duplicate information between different views of part of the structure. If you are looking at a top view and can't find dimensions for a certain piece, odds are they were already given on the side view or the bottom view, for example. As far as the wing profile (I assume you mean wing rib), there's no CAD file because CAD did not exist when the plans were drawn up. It's not terribly difficult to loft the dimensions on to a board to start your jig. There is an error in one of those measurements, but it is obvious and you will see it, and you can correct it. Or, for $20 more you can buy a full size rib jig print and just secure that to your jig board and build on top of that. Have fun! Ryan On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:06 PM, giacummo wrote: > > > > Hello > Nice to meet you Oscar; I remember you from your Squirrel page; and your > Spanish name and surename. > I am from Uruguay, and unfortunetly there is not any piet around in the > country, at least any known. The experimental, and ultralight universe here > is small and (I do not know why) very closed. I am a kind of crazy people > just because I plan to build an airplane ( I know, its a not common thing to > do) , but is the only way I have to fly, any ultralight si very expensive, > so why not build one?. > > I decide to build this because it is enterely of wood, and this is the only > aircraft material I can find here; aluminium 6061 do not exist, may be in > Brazil, or Argentine, but to expendive. so the options where two, a Piet or > a SkyPup. We chose the Piet. But the plans are... a guide, not real plans; > lost mesures, not very clear drawings, may be incomplete, or with > differences in mesures from one poijnt of view to another. The wing profile > ... why not a simple cad file?. > > Thank for your words about "obvious".. ;0) I think a lot of things may > come from one, they are not very difficult to resolv; but is an airplane, > not a boat, so I prefer to be a little more sure on the things I will do. > > Thank you Oscar, I hope have something done in few weeks. here is the state > of it now http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/ ;0) > > Regards. > > Mario > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308855#308855 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.