Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 08/17/10


Total Messages Posted: 26



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     1. 05:18 AM - Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work (AircamperN11MS)
     2. 05:36 AM - latex over dope (Oscar Zuniga)
     3. 08:55 AM - radiator mounted and running smooth (899PM)
     4. 10:42 AM - Re: Got an engine! (dgaldrich)
     5. 12:04 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle)
     6. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Ryan Mueller)
     7. 01:48 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle)
     8. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Ryan Mueller)
     9. 03:13 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle)
    10. 03:16 PM - Re: Got a compass (j_dunavin)
    11. 03:29 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Bill Church)
    12. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Ryan Mueller)
    13. 03:43 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle)
    14. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Gary Boothe)
    15. 04:10 PM - Re: radiator mounted and running smooth (Pieti Lowell)
    16. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (John Recine)
    17. 05:31 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle)
    18. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: corvair intakes (shad bell)
    19. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    20. 06:53 PM - Nice Ohio flying weather (shad bell)
    21. 07:23 PM - Two questions.... (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
    22. 07:44 PM - Re: Nice Ohio flying weather (Dennis Vetter)
    23. 07:59 PM - Re: Wood kits (Dennis Vetter)
    24. 08:24 PM - Re: Two questions.... (j_dunavin)
    25. 10:12 PM - Re: Re: Wood kits (Mark Roberts)
    26. 11:39 PM - Re: Two questions.... (Chris)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:18:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Need Piet in LA for possible movie work
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    My local FAA friends say I can rent it out but cannot charge for flying it. I guess I would need to fly it for free provide I get an official approval from the feds. I will look deeper into it if I get contacted for possible work. It sounds like it would just be a fun thing to do. Any excuse to get away from my real job and go flying. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Broadhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309090#309090


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    Time: 05:36:48 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: latex over dope
    Probably two years ago, I touched up a couple of spots on one of 41CC's wingtips with yellow latex paint that *almost* matches the Insignia Yellow Poly-Tone (but not quite). It's Valspar exterior latex from Lowe's. The paint looks the same as the day I applied it; no curling at the edges, no peeling, chipping, or other changes. It was applied over Poly-Fiber system (not dope). The airplane has gone through two annual weather cycles (always hangared, though) and many hours in the air with the paint on the wingtip. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 08:55:51 AM PST US
    Subject: radiator mounted and running smooth
    From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle@hotmail.com>
    Finally got the radiator mounted and plumbed. Everything is running smoothly. I have just over 4 hours on it the engine now. What are some of you (that are running radiators) seeing for temps? I have two temp probes, one in the cylinder head and one in the lower water pipe. After a full minutes run at full throttle(1850rpm's at 85deg ambient) I have a delta of 70 degrees between upper and lower probes. I think I need to push the water thru the radiator faster.....? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR5zvfJ8PQ4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5R8OvAmG7Q -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309121#309121


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    Time: 10:42:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
    Do the "ring" test and then send it to Moldex up in Dearborn. They'll magnaflux it, nitride it, and thread the end for the safety shaft. Wynne has been very happy with their record of doing things right and as of this past spring, they were the only guys he recommends. Mine came back from them ready to install. Cost me $325 plus shipping and it's a thing of beauty and a joy forever. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309146#309146


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    Time: 12:04:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
    Thanks Dave...that is just what I am going to do. The engine case is at a local transmission shop being cleaned. The heads go to Falcon and the pistons, rods, cylinders, and camshaft go Clarks. Is that correct? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309156#309156


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    Time: 01:19:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    You'll need to remove the pistons from the rods, as the pistons are junk. You can either use a press if you have one, or rig up a tool from some tubing, threaded rod, and nuts & washers. Clarks will take rods and cylinders for core exchange. Assuming you will be buying an OT-10 cam, you can get core exchange for the stock cam if you buy a reground cam. If you buy a new OT-10 cam there is no core exchange available. You can just hold on to all of those parts until you purchase and receive your new parts from Clarks. They don't actually recondition your cylinders or rods and send them back to you, they're just exchange parts, so you can send them to Clarks in the boxes your new parts come in. If you disassemble your heads before sending them to Falcon you can throw the valves away, but make sure to bag the valve keepers, washers, springs, etc and send them along to Mark with your heads. If you do not you will find yourself buying Mark a set of all of those pieces from Clarks. :P Ryan On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote: > > Thanks Dave...that is just what I am going to do. The engine case is at a > local transmission shop being cleaned. The heads go to Falcon and the > pistons, rods, cylinders, and camshaft go Clarks. Is that correct? > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309156#309156 > >


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    Time: 01:48:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
    Mark asked if I wanted the low profile intake tubes? Is this common with Piets? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309167#309167


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    Time: 03:11:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Mark has the jigs and the ability to weld on aluminum intake tubes to the cylinder head intake logs that will match up with William Wynne's stainless steel intake. Here is a pic: http://www.flycorvair.com/27082.jpg <http://www.flycorvair.com/27082.jpg>If you plan on using William Wynne's SS intake I would have Mark weld them on....welding the tubing to the cast intake can be a little tricky, and Mark has the jigs to get it all lined up correctly. Ryan On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote: > > Mark asked if I wanted the low profile intake tubes? Is this common with > Piets? > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309167#309167 > >


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    Time: 03:13:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
    I could use a head if anyone has one to spare. A spark hole is oversized like a helicoil was removed. It will cost $100 to get the hole welded and retapped. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309173#309173


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    Time: 03:16:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got a compass
    From: "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin@hotmail.com>
    checked the compass against our site compass, and it was right on N and S, but 5deg. off E and W. No big deal, I will be able to take out that error, but I'll wait until we can do a compass swing in the aircraft.... once it gets built that is. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309176#309176


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    Time: 03:29:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Kringle wrote: > I could use a head if anyone has one to spare. Well, I'm using mine right now, but I know a few people that apparently don't use theirs... Oh, wait, are you talking about engine parts? do not archive BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309178#309178


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    Time: 03:34:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Where are you located? On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote: > > I could use a head if anyone has one to spare. A spark hole is oversized > like a helicoil was removed. It will cost $100 to get the hole welded and > retapped. > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309173#309173 > >


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    Time: 03:43:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
    I'm located about an hour north of Dayton, Ohio -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309182#309182


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    Time: 03:52:12 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    Mr. Kringle, You'll want the low profile tubes...makes the Piet go fast! Seriously, some do...some don't. I don't have the pics in this laptop, but doesn't Kurt Shipman have welded on tubes? I don't...I'm happy with slow. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! Mark asked if I wanted the low profile intake tubes? Is this common with Piets? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309167#309167


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    Time: 04:10:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: radiator mounted and running smooth
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    Ed Sampson has said that most Fords head temperatures will run 100 Degrees over ambient. Mine runs just that temp. 100 Degree over ambient all the way to Brodhead. It will drop 5 Degrees when I back off to 1800 RPM. from 2000 RPM. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309187#309187


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    Time: 04:35:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc@aol.com>
    I may have a model A head I would have to go looking for it on saturday. I have no idea about its condition but I thing its good. I have 2 blocks and some other parts if you're interested John ------Original Message------ From: Kringle Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! Sent: Aug 17, 2010 6:43 PM I'm located about an hour north of Dayton, Ohio -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309182#309182 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 05:31:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
    Thanks John but I'm working on a corvair. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309200#309200


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    Time: 06:41:09 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: corvair intakes
    Low profile intake would probably be eaiser to cowl than our elbow intakes, but we still get 75-80mph at 4.7 gph.- The bolt on intakes like we have are also another place for gaskets to blow out and cause induction leaks. - Falcon heads would probably be worth the $$$$. - Shad "Unsafe at any Speed" Bell - -=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 06:41:41 PM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    ahhhhhhhh ya gotta hate it driving reading and thinking you know what the threads about. Oh well no problem, saves me the trip to the other shop looking through engine parts. Obviously not unless is interested in some Model A engine parts. Contact me off list if you're really interested. Do no archive Less Yawanna In a message dated 8/17/2010 8:31:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mrkringles@msn.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com> Thanks John but I'm working on a corvair. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309200#309200


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    Time: 06:53:30 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Nice Ohio flying weather
    I got about 1.5 hrs of flight time in on the old corvair today.- She is r unning good, and it was smooth as a baby's butt today.- I had to get done before a local TFR shuts GA down for the next 15 hrs (pres obamanation). - I have to sieze the moment these days to get some flying done.- By th e way what are the odds up to on me making Lee Bottom this year?- I am st ill priming the boss, trying to remind her that it is coming up, and pay cl ose attention to the reaction, from her body language to her expression and tone of response.- I'm not dead in the water yet, there is still hope, s he hasn't given the "You can't go" speech yet. - Shad - P.S.- who in the world elected this president?, he causes as many TFR's a s he does left wing comunist agendas, taxes, fees, restrictions, debt etc e tc.- Who's sleeping in the White House anyway? - p.p.s.- sorry to rant DO Not ARCHIVE=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 07:23:19 PM PST US
    From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Two questions....
    Fellow Pieter's........ - - Question 1. How far toward the center do you make the taper on the ash piec es? The plans show the fitting on the inside but did not find any measureme nts for the taper on the ash.- Question 2. Other than the obvious, any advantage to either the Corvair or the Model A for this type of plane? Better question is performance: which f lying brick is better; corvair or Model A? - - Village Idiot Hawley, MN - =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 07:44:58 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Nice Ohio flying weather
    From: "Dennis Vetter" <minimax103@hotmail.com>
    Don't blame me. I voted for the old guy and the hot chic. [Wink] Rant and rave all you want, while you still can! Just think of the carbon foot print of this administration. You will not hear about that in the media. I'm new to this site. But not in the pietenpol world. Back to the weather, what a change from a week ago. Hope we get some good flying weather from here on out. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309221#309221


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    Time: 07:59:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wood kits
    From: "Dennis Vetter" <minimax103@hotmail.com>
    I bought a wood kit from Aircraft Spruce over two years ago. Quality was great, spars and all. I would do it different next time. The longeron material they supply is 1" sq. I would change them to 7/8". Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309225#309225


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    Time: 08:24:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Two questions....
    From: "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin@hotmail.com>
    to answer your second question: My Dad and I just went though, which motor should we use and came up with these questions and answers: 1. We want to maintain the Piet's originality, shouldn't we go with the Model A? Bernard himself changed the planes to accept the corvair. In now way would we be deviating from his design. 2. We really like old school aviation, but we also like the convenience of just getting in and pushing the go button, more. 3. The corvair will run on 100LL 4. Better performance, since we both weigh in at just over 200 lbs, we need the extra HP 5. no radiator in the face... better visibility. 6. tons of support I could go on, but i think you get my point. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309226#309226


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    Time: 10:12:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wood kits
    From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Hey Guys, Regarding wood kits: My business partner and I took a business trip last week to LA for a conference (thus the lack of posts), and on the way down we began assembling prices and material lists for some wood kits that we mentioned last week or so ago on the list. We have both a CNC router (5' x 10' MultiCam CNC router and a 4' x 8' laser table), and have some spruce on hand that is spar grade stuff, but after the response we got, we began thinking that we would offer some sub-assembly kits. These would offer the spruce parts as well as the ply parts cut to shape using the CNC stuff. Planning all of this was the bulk of our discussion in the car (both directions) on the 4 hour trip. We have some of the kit info together, and I have been working to find some of the carriers that can ship reasonably all over the country. I haven't posted all this yet as I was wanting to have all the info for the number of requests we've had. I just checked ACS and saw that they now have sub kits available, which was what we were thinking of offering. I can't remember if I posted this earlier when I mentioned that we'd be offering kits, but I think it's great that those options are available! It makes it better for ALL of us to have options, and the ability to choose. We got a new web address for all of this (www.PietenParts.com or www.PietParts.com), and I can tell you that our kits and sub kits will be CNC cut Plywood parts and will have all of the materials listed so you can see what you are getting. I noticed this was missing when I went to the ACS site... But, nice to see the sub kits which is what I was planning to offer originally. By the way, we are going to offer our kits with CNC machined rib jigs for the Original FC-10 airfoil, the Riblett GA-30-612 and the Riblett GA-30-613.5 airfoils. One additional item that I am very excited about offering is a rib stick cutting jig that will cut the internal rib sticks for each rib easily and accurately! It can reduce the amount of time it takes to cut the sticks down to a short afternoon, and they'll snap in place! So far I have the one for the Riblett 613.5 finished, and I still need to finish the FC-10 jig, and the FC-10 and Riblett 612 cutting jig. I cut the parts for the internal rib sticks very accuratly, and importantly, quickly. We hope to have the website up and running before long: www.PietenParts.com or www.PietParts.com will eventually get you to the same place! By the way, we are pricing the Wing Rib kits, with the Bending Jig, The Stick Cutting Jig, and the actual Rib Jig for much less than what I saw on ACS. We are including a 'No Spar' option where you can just buy rib stuff with out spars to see if you even want to go further into the project before committing serious money. Some people may tire after ribs :o\ More soon. Mark On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1@gmail.com. I know he > doesn't > have kit prices yet, but he has wood... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > 20 ribs done > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:46 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits > > > Well that is confusing as hell. You guys normally posted a wood package > for > the Pietenpol Air Camper... now you only list four "kits" for the different > sections of the Pietenpol Air Camper, and none of them are linked to a bill > of materials that can be accessed and studied in order to confirm what the > customer is actually ordering. For example, what is included in that $931 > "wing kit" that is now listed? Does that include capstrip for wing ribs? > If so, what are guys suposed to do that have already built or acquired > ribs? > Search for individual items to complete the wings? Whew! Not the end of > the world, but another challenge for an individual that might have just > chosen to purchase your old wood package. > > I'm not sure how well those packages will go over. If I remember > correctly, > the old wood package was compiled quite some time ago and there are many > notes out there that reference that "no capstrip or plywood" package. The > contents of the original package is right on according to many past > builders, and I am enjoying the fact that some of the guess work is > eliminated when following the instruction of veteran builders that have > used > your wood package. In fact, it is one of the main reasons I purchased your > package. I mean, have you guys tried to build one of these from the plans? > > > I suppose things can change, but I certainly can't recommend what you are > currently offering since I have no idea what it includes. I would like to > suggest that you offer the original package along with those "kits" you are > offering. In addition to that... publish a bill of materials (similar to > the > GN-1 package) so people can know what they are looking at. > > Perhaps you know best what it is that your customer wants, but it seems > like > you might not want to mess with something that many people have said is a > "no-brainer" when it comes to wood selection. Lots of people like to > acquire their wood in different ways, but I'm sure that many would choose > to > pay a little extra to know they have good quality components cut to the > sizes they require. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308429#308429 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/asands_801.jpg > > -- Mark Roberts California Laser Etch www.california-laser.com 888-882-5015 888-882-5016 fax


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    Time: 11:39:39 PM PST US
    From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
    Subject: Two questions....
    Village Idiot Are you referring to the ash cross piece on the floor where the landing gear fitting attaches? The dimension does not matter just start it past the fitting. If you want to measure, the drawing is drawn to scale, 3/4"=1". Most if not all the drawing on the plans are drawn to some type of scale. All you have to do is figure out the scale and make your own scale to measure that drawing with. The Corvair will have more horse power and better climb until the crank snaps, the Ford will have a better sound and more sex appeal until you can't out climb the rotation of the earth and to have to land, a Continental will have consistent adequate performance and reliability and thus get you where you want to go instead of where you end up. I say go with the Ford, sex appeal is always better then performance and reliability. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Two questions.... Fellow Pieter's........ Question 1. How far toward the center do you make the taper on the ash pieces? The plans show the fitting on the inside but did not find any measurements for the taper on the ash. Question 2. Other than the obvious, any advantage to either the Corvair or the Model A for this type of plane? Better question is performance: which flying brick is better; corvair or Model A? Village Idiot Hawley, MN




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