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1. 02:43 AM - Re: Wood kits (Kringle)
2. 02:44 AM - Re: Wood kits (Kringle)
3. 04:33 AM - Grounding Aircraft (Jack)
4. 04:40 AM - Re: Grounding Aircraft (Jack Phillips)
5. 04:41 AM - Re: Grounding Aircraft (Dan Yocum)
6. 05:09 AM - Re: Grounding Aircraft (helspersew@aol.com)
7. 05:14 AM - Wood kits (helspersew@aol.com)
8. 05:17 AM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle)
9. 05:24 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (gboothe5@comcast.net)
10. 05:33 AM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle)
11. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (gboothe5@comcast.net)
12. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Peter W Johnson)
13. 05:45 AM - remote mounting 0200 air box (Douwe Blumberg)
14. 05:47 AM - Re: Grounding Aircraft (Pieti Lowell)
15. 05:49 AM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle)
16. 05:59 AM - Re: Grounding Aircraft (Jack Phillips)
17. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Ryan Mueller)
18. 06:22 AM - Re: remote mounting 0200 air box (Jack Phillips)
19. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Gary Boothe)
20. 06:39 AM - Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads? (Steve Ruse)
21. 06:39 AM - Re: Grounding Aircraft (Gary Boothe)
22. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Nice Ohio flying weather (Kip and Beth Gardner)
23. 07:01 AM - Re: Grounding Aircraft (shad bell)
24. 07:36 AM - Re: Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads? (Ryan Mueller)
25. 07:40 AM - Re: Nice Ohio flying weather (AlRice)
26. 07:47 AM - Re: Grounding Aircraft (Jack Phillips)
27. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (shad bell)
28. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Wood kits (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
29. 09:11 AM - Re: Wood kits (Mark Roberts)
30. 09:15 AM - Re: remote mounting 0200 air box (kevinpurtee)
31. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Wood kits (Mark Roberts)
32. 10:28 AM - Re: appology (shad bell)
33. 10:43 AM - half-scale model (Oscar Zuniga)
34. 12:24 PM - Re: appology (Jim Boyer)
35. 03:04 PM - Re: apology (Gary Boothe)
36. 05:34 PM - Re: Grounding Aircraft (Jack)
37. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: remote mounting 0200 air box (Jack)
38. 05:56 PM - Rust Protection Question (Jack)
39. 06:29 PM - Re: Rust Protection Question (Matthew VanDervort)
40. 07:00 PM - struts (skellytown flyer)
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Sounds great. I'll be watching for the web site to come up.
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Sounds great. I'll be watching for the web site to come up.
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| Subject: | Grounding Aircraft |
Would like to hear thoughts on grounding the various parts on a Piet, fuel
tank, avionics, lights, engine, etc.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Grounding Aircraft |
Most important is grounding your fuel tank (assuming you have a metal
tank).
I ran a 3/8=94 wide braided copper grounding strap from the engine to
the fuel
tank (since the engine is the biggest chunk of metal in the airplane. I
also made a fairly heavy copper buss bar for the aircraft ground (I
think it
was =BD=94 wide and 1/8=94 thick) that all the aircraft electrical
system was
grounded to, and it was grounded to the engine as well.
Check out Tony Bingelis=92s books. I believe he has several articles on
aircraft grounding.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grounding Aircraft
Would like to hear thoughts on grounding the various parts on a Piet,
fuel
tank, avionics, lights, engine, etc.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Aircraft |
Morning Jack,
At the very least, the gas filler neck should be grounded to the engine.
Since your tank is metal, you can attach a lead anywhere to the tank,
say, the mounting strap.
I can't contribute to advice on what else to ground with regard to
electronics.
Dan
On 08/18/2010 06:32 AM, Jack wrote:
> Would like to hear thoughts on grounding the various parts on a Piet,
> fuel tank, avionics, lights, engine, etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Aircraft |
Hi Jack,
Aluminum fuel lines from tank to the SS firewall and alum gascolator, then
SS braided (armoured) flex fuel line to carb/engine. But I guess this who
le thing should be grounded to landing gear cables since that is a conveni
ent place to connect gas pump grounding cable?
Off subject, see pic of Tenn. constrruction progress from last week.
do not archive
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Mark,
I admire you for your ambition on starting the Piet wood kit business. It
sounds like a winner and fun to boot. Good for you.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
Attached is an image I took last night of a spark plug hole in my corvair engine.
It is oversized by 1/16 of an inch from the others. Can you tell by the threads
if a helicoil was once inserted in here and can I use a time sert in this
hole?
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
You may want to direct those questions to Corvair List. Several knowledgable contributors
there.
Gary Boothe
------Original Message------
From: Kringle
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
Sent: Aug 18, 2010 7:17 AM
Attached is an image I took last night of a spark plug hole in my corvair engine.
It is oversized by 1/16 of an inch from the others. Can you tell by the threads
if a helicoil was once inserted in here and can I use a time sert in this
hole?
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
It appears that list is dead.
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
Not true. I get emails everyday. Sorry, but don't have the link on my B-berry.
But I know I can count on Ryan Mueller, or someone else, to jump in here...
Gary
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Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
Sent: Aug 18, 2010 7:33 AM
It appears that list is dead.
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
John,
Sure you have the correct one? Try
http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html or
http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft
Cheers
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2010 10:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
It appears that list is dead.
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| Subject: | remote mounting 0200 air box |
Hey guys,
As I'm building my new cowling, I'm finding the air intake really messing up
the bottom "lines". I got to thinking, "why can't I just relocate it and
mount it remotely"?. As long as the scat tubing from the box to the carb
isn't too long to cool the heated air when I use the carb heat, I can't see
any downside.
Thoughts?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Grounding Aircraft |
Bernie never mentioned anything about grounding, It is an excellent idea we elders
never considered.
Pieti Lowell
PS. Never had a fire since 1941, Just Lucky
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
I tried the Matronics Corvair Engine List
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| Subject: | Grounding Aircraft |
I always connect my grounding cable from the fuel pump to the exhaust stacks
on the engine, since my landing gear struts are wood.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Grounding Aircraft
Hi Jack,
Aluminum fuel lines from tank to the SS firewall and alum gascolator, then
SS braided (armoured) flex fuel line to carb/engine. But I guess this whole
thing should be grounded to landing gear cables since that is a convenient
place to connect gas pump grounding cable?
Off subject, see pic of Tenn. constrruction progress from last week.
do not archive
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
As Gary and Peter mentioned, Mark Langford's CorvAircraft mailing list is
the best active source for Corvair discussion out there. As provided by
Peter, the link for information on the list is at:
http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html
Sign up is at:
http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft
<http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft>The CorvAircraft does not have a
web-based forum you can use to access it like the Pietenpol emailing list
does; it is strictly an email list. You can either receive all the messages
in real time, or you can receive one "lump sum" digest at the end of the
day. Personally, I prefer to receive the messages in real-time. I setup a
folder for CorvAircraft messages in Gmail, and then a simple filter to
redirect the incoming messages from the list to that folder; same with the
Piet list.
As I mentioned, Mark Langford runs the list. If you haven't seen his site, I
would suggest giving it a look. Nothing about Pietenpols, but lots of
information about the Corvair:
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/index.html
<http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/index.html>The CorvAircraft list is also
the only list that William Wynne spends any amount of time on. He doesn't
post that frequently right now, but over the years he has made many an
educational post on the list. The list is rather quiet right now for
whatever reason, but it is still active. Like the Piet list, the
CorvAircraft list has been around for a good number of years, and a
tremendous amount of information has already been discussed ad-nauseum. I
would highly recommend spending some quality time searching the CorvAircraft
archives at:
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp
You can generally count posts by the following individuals as reliable
information: William Wynne, Mark Langford, Roy Szarafinski, or Dan Weseman
to name a few. They have established themselves as knowledgable individuals
in the Corvair community. There are plenty of other list members that also
provide good information (many from the Piet list: Gary, Oscar,
Peter)....just trying to give a starting point if you don't know who anyone
is.
Hope that helps,
Ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
> I tried the Matronics Corvair Engine List
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309265#309265
>
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| Subject: | remote mounting 0200 air box |
Douwe,
You can just let some of the airbox sit outside the cowling. It doesn't
seem to mess up the lines too much. It looks terrible when the cowling is
unpainted, but tends to disappear once the plane is finished.
Look at what mine looked like before and after paint:
Perhaps it helps to paint the cowling a dark color, but I find the airbox
hanging down just doesn't draw the eye to it. If you look closely, you can
see that the base of the carburetor (where the airbox attaches) is below the
line of the cowling, so even if you moved the airbox, you would still have
the SCAT hose showing there, and in the picture above, the SCAT hose is much
more distracting to the eye than the whole airbox.
Of course, mine is an A65 and I believe you are using an O-200, but I don't
think they are much different in this regard.
I think adding a length of SCAT hose between the air filter and the
carburetor would add an unnecessary restriction to the engine airflow, and
reduce power.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: remote mounting 0200 air box
Hey guys,
As I'm building my new cowling, I'm finding the air intake really messing up
the bottom "lines". I got to thinking, "why can't I just relocate it and
mount it remotely"?. As long as the scat tubing from the box to the carb
isn't too long to cool the heated air when I use the carb heat, I can't see
any downside.
Thoughts?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
Here's your link: corvaircraft-join@mylist.net. That should get you started.
It's a fairly active list!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine!
I tried the Matronics Corvair Engine List
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| Subject: | Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads? |
Has anyone done this and what were your results? My engine is an
A-75. I know DC-65/L2 Taylorcrafts take carb heat from the heads
instead of the exhaust, and probably a lot of other planes do the
same. I made new exhaust for my plane, and would prefer not to put
the carb heat on the shiny new pipes if possible. Taking the carb
heat off the back of the eyebrows seems like it would be a much
cleaner installation, assuming I can get the appropriate RPM drop by
applying carb heat. Is there anything else to consider?
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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| Subject: | Grounding Aircraft |
Hangers looking good, Dan!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Grounding Aircraft
Hi Jack,
Aluminum fuel lines from tank to the SS firewall and alum gascolator, then
SS braided (armoured) flex fuel line to carb/engine. But I guess this whole
thing should be grounded to landing gear cables since that is a convenient
place to connect gas pump grounding cable?
Off subject, see pic of Tenn. constrruction progress from last week.
do not archive
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Ohio flying weather |
Please knock off the political comments. When those of us with more
liberal leanings have been so rash as to expressed our opinions we've
been flamed, ridiculed, sent threatening messages off list, etc. I'm
tired of it & it violates the basic operating agreements of this list.
Thank you,
Kip
On Aug 17, 2010, at 10:43 PM, Dennis Vetter wrote:
> <minimax103@hotmail.com>
>
> Don't blame me. I voted for the old guy and the hot chic.
> [Wink] Rant and rave all you want, while you still can! Just
> think of the carbon foot print of this administration. You will not
> hear about that in the media. I'm new to this site. But not in the
> pietenpol world. Back to the weather, what a change from a week
> ago. Hope we get some good flying weather from here on out.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Grounding Aircraft |
One thought about bonding (grounding) to the fuel pump, If your tank is fib
erglass, or even aluminum,-and there is no electrical continuity between
the tank and the part of the aircraft you clip the grounding wire to it pro
bably won't do any good anyhow.- Different parts of the aircraft will hav
e different potentials (static build up).- Unlike an all metal aircraft w
here the alum skin conducts the static build up, wood does not.- Example
of this I remember was when a kid I used to work line service with was told
to go wash the windshield of a hawker (as a mean joke) right after it got
in, he got a pretty good jolt as soon as the rag hit the glass.- I guess
the mechanic had prior knowlage of this aircraft, apparently the windshield
-was not bonded to the airframe (electrically), they sit on a seal that k
ept the static from disipating to the airframe.-
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-
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-
Shad
-
p.s. No, I was not that kid, but the same kid went to lowes for flight line
and a gallon of prop wash.
--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Grounding Aircraft
I always connect my grounding cable from the fuel pump to the exhaust stack
s on the engine, since my landing gear struts are wood.
-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Grounding Aircraft
-
Hi Jack,
-
Aluminum fuel lines from tank to the SS firewall and alum gascolator, then
SS braided (armoured) flex fuel line to carb/engine. But I guess this whole
thing should be grounded to landing gear cables since that is a convenient
place to connect gas pump grounding cable?-
-
Off subject, see pic of Tenn. constrruction progress from last week.
-
do not archive
-
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL. -
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=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Carb heat from Continental Cylinder heads? |
The T-carts that have that carb heat setup....are those on aircraft with
pressure cowlings, or just eyebrows over the cylinders?
I would be curious to see how much warmer the air would be if you took the
air from the eyebrows, as I would think that would be mainly cool "ram air"
coming in from the front of the eyebrows. If you could take the air from
below the cylinders (after it has passed through the fins) that would
certainly be warmer, but that would be a tricker bit of baffling to
accomplish, and it's quite possible that would have an affect on the cooling
air flow through the cylinders....
Do you have any pictures of the Taylorcraft setup refer to?
Ryan
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>wrote:
> >
>
> Has anyone done this and what were your results? My engine is an A-75. I
> know DC-65/L2 Taylorcrafts take carb heat from the heads instead of the
> exhaust, and probably a lot of other planes do the same. I made new exhaust
> for my plane, and would prefer not to put the carb heat on the shiny new
> pipes if possible. Taking the carb heat off the back of the eyebrows seems
> like it would be a much cleaner installation, assuming I can get the
> appropriate RPM drop by applying carb heat. Is there anything else to
> consider?
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nice Ohio flying weather |
Totally agree.
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Al Rice
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| Subject: | Grounding Aircraft |
You're absolutely right, Shad. That's why I run a big grounding strap from
my tank to the engine crankcase, then ground the cable from the pump to the
exhaust stack - assuring continuity to the fuel tank.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Grounding Aircraft
One thought about bonding (grounding) to the fuel pump, If your tank is
fiberglass, or even aluminum, and there is no electrical continuity between
the tank and the part of the aircraft you clip the grounding wire to it
probably won't do any good anyhow. Different parts of the aircraft will
have different potentials (static build up). Unlike an all metal aircraft
where the alum skin conducts the static build up, wood does not. Example of
this I remember was when a kid I used to work line service with was told to
go wash the windshield of a hawker (as a mean joke) right after it got in,
he got a pretty good jolt as soon as the rag hit the glass. I guess the
mechanic had prior knowlage of this aircraft, apparently the windshield was
not bonded to the airframe (electrically), they sit on a seal that kept the
static from disipating to the airframe.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Shad
p.s. No, I was not that kid, but the same kid went to lowes for flight line
and a gallon of prop wash.
--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Grounding Aircraft
I always connect my grounding cable from the fuel pump to the exhaust stacks
on the engine, since my landing gear struts are wood.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Grounding Aircraft
Hi Jack,
Aluminum fuel lines from tank to the SS firewall and alum gascolator, then
SS braided (armoured) flex fuel line to carb/engine. But I guess this whole
thing should be grounded to landing gear cables since that is a convenient
place to connect gas pump grounding cable?
Off subject, see pic of Tenn. constrruction progress from last week.
do not archive
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Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Got an engine! |
John, if you can get the dimensions of that hole (diameter to the bot of th
e threads)- you might be able to look up the size of available time sert
bushings on their web site.- it's already broke, so I don't think you can
do any damage trying.- If worse comes to worse it is still going to need
to be welded shut and re drilled.- I would NOT use another helicoil for
that repair.- We had one that was repaired prior to Dad getting the engin
e, it apparently was incorect, and long story short detonate, loose power,
crankshaft broke, butt tightens up, and airplane gets a trailer ride home.
- If I can help, or provide any useful info I will try.- I did all the
time serts on dads engine (on 1 side)-last year (due to a stripped out sp
arkplug hole).- And one last thing, install the timeserts with the heads
off (maby this is obvious, but none the less)
-
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Mark,
-
For what it's worth.....KUDO'S!! I say this is an excellent idea and suppor
t your efforts. The fittings kit would be fantastic right along with the re
st of your ideas!. For the purest, you can-build the entire plane to your
liking. For people like myself who love to fly, I could use specific parts
and pieces to advance the build time. I would rather fly and buy some thin
gs to speed up build process!
-
As you may know, I make the cowlings for the corvair piet using-a pattern
from the-orginal Pietenpol (thank you "Fireman Dan" in Mpls). I cover my
expenses and sell them to the group with a very small margin of profit. Th
is is a hobby to me and not a business... so I see no real income from this
(production runs vary widely). That's not to say for you this could not be
a business, just explaining my position on my costs: makes it more feasabl
e for others who just want a great bank for the buck and give back to the m
embers.
-
So, you have my vote for continuing with your ideas! Please keep the list i
nformed. Have plently of photos to share of final products so we can see wh
at we are purchasing. The members of this-list can provide input for impr
oved changes to some of these parts and pieces; please utilize them as they
have "been their and done that!"
-
Again..... Kudo's! I want to build and enjoy the journey... but not over th
ree years!
-
KM Heide
Hawley, MN
-
--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Hey Guys,-Regarding wood kits:
My business partner and I took a business trip last week to LA for a confer
ence (thus the lack of posts), and on the way down we began assembling pric
es and material lists for some wood kits that we mentioned last week or so
ago on the list. We have both a CNC router (5' x 10' MultiCam CNC router an
d a 4' x 8' laser table), and have some spruce on hand that is spar grade s
tuff, but after the response we got, we began thinking that we would offer
some sub-assembly kits. These would offer the spruce parts as well as the p
ly parts cut to shape using the CNC stuff.
Planning all of this was the bulk of our discussion in the car (both direct
ions) on the 4 hour trip. We have some of the kit info together, and I have
been working to find some of the carriers that can ship reasonably all ove
r the country. I haven't posted all this yet as I was wanting to have all t
he info for the-number-of requests we've had.
I just checked ACS and saw that they now have sub kits available, which was
what we were thinking of offering. I can't remember if I posted this earli
er when I mentioned that we'd be offering kits, but I think it's great that
those options are available! It makes it better for ALL of us to have opti
ons, and the ability to choose.
We got a new web address for all of this (www.PietenParts.com -or www.Pie
tParts.com), and I can tell you that our kits and sub kits will be CNC cut
Plywood parts and will have all of the materials listed so you can see what
you are getting. I noticed this was missing when I went to the ACS site...
But, nice to see the sub kits which is what I was planning to offer origin
ally.
By the way, we are going to offer our kits with CNC machined rib jigs for t
he Original FC-10 airfoil, the Riblett GA-30-612 and the Riblett GA-30-613.
5 airfoils.-
One additional item that I am very-excited-about offering is a rib stic
k cutting jig that will cut the internal rib sticks for each rib easily and
-accurately! It can reduce the amount of time it takes to cut the sticks
down to a short afternoon, and they'll snap in place! So far I have the one
for the Riblett 613.5 finished, and I still need to finish the FC-10 jig,
and the FC-10 and Riblett 612 cutting jig. I cut the parts for the internal
rib sticks very accuratly, and importantly, quickly.
We hope to have the website up and running before long:
www.PietenParts.com -or www.PietParts.com will eventually get you to the
same place!
By the way, we are pricing the Wing Rib kits, with the Bending Jig, The Sti
ck Cutting Jig, and the actual Rib Jig for much less than what I saw on ACS
. We are including a 'No Spar' option where you can just buy rib stuff with
out spars to see if you even want to go further into the project before co
mmitting serious money. Some people may tire after ribs :o\
More soon.
Mark
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1@gmail.com. I know he doesn't
have kit prices yet, but he has wood...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
Well that is confusing as hell. -You guys normally posted a wood package
for
the Pietenpol Air Camper... now you only list four "kits" for the different
sections of the Pietenpol Air Camper, and none of them are linked to a bill
of materials that can be accessed and studied in order to confirm what the
customer is actually ordering. -For example, what is included in that $93
1
"wing kit" that is now listed? -Does that include capstrip for wing ribs?
If so, what are guys suposed to do that have already built or acquired ribs
?
Search for individual items to complete the wings? -Whew! -Not the end
of
the world, but another challenge for an individual that might have just
chosen to purchase your old wood package.
I'm not sure how well those packages will go over. -If I remember correct
ly,
the old wood package was compiled quite some time ago and there are many
notes out there that reference that "no capstrip or plywood" package. -Th
e
contents of the original package is right on according to many past
builders, and I am enjoying the fact that some of the guess work is
eliminated when following the instruction of veteran builders that have use
d
your wood package. -In fact, it is one of the main reasons I purchased yo
ur
package. -I mean, have you guys tried to build one of these from the plan
s?
I suppose things can change, but I certainly can't recommend what you are
currently offering since I have no idea what it includes. -I would like t
o
suggest that you offer the original package along with those "kits" you are
offering. In addition to that... publish a bill of materials (similar to th
e
GN-1 package) so people can know what they are looking at.
Perhaps you know best what it is that your customer wants, but it seems lik
e
you might not want to mess with something that many people have said is a
"no-brainer" when it comes to wood selection. -Lots of people like to
acquire their wood in different ways, but I'm sure that many would choose t
o
pay a little extra to know they have good quality components cut to the
sizes they require.
--------
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Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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Thank you Dan!
After 11 months of not getting any calls back on resume submissions, I have
decided to make lemonade outta lemons.
I hope what we do will benefit us as a community (like your prop carving
tips!).
Mark
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:13 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Mark,
>
> I admire you for your ambition on starting the Piet wood kit business. It
> sounds like a winner and fun to boot. Good for you.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
> do not archive
>
> *
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>
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| Subject: | Re: remote mounting 0200 air box |
Agree with Jack: having it hang out a bit does not distract/detract and adds to
the charm.
I bet you'll lose a little of your carb heat effectiveness if you lengthen the
run of hose.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Thanks KM!
We WANT to link to the others like yourself that make parts (like Ken
Perkins) so we can be a resource for facilitating the planes being built.
So, instead of making metal or fiberglass parts, we link to you and Ken, so
that someone can be a reference point for the group, along with the Piet
list.
I dunno how it'll work out, but we'd like to try. This group is such a great
team of support, it might not be necessary for a 'link' page, but it might
help to organize as one quick stop for the group to use to find answers.
All in time. It is TIME consuming to build websites and jigs and such all at
once! We have a start, but I want it all done NOW :o)
Thanks for the encouragement!
Mark
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:02 AM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>wrote:
> Mark,
>
> For what it's worth.....KUDO'S!! I say this is an excellent idea and
> support your efforts. The fittings kit would be fantastic right along with
> the rest of your ideas!. For the purest, you can build the entire plane to
> your liking. For people like myself who love to fly, I could use specific
> parts and pieces to advance the build time. I would rather fly and buy some
> things to speed up build process!
>
> As you may know, I make the cowlings for the corvair piet using a pattern
> from the orginal Pietenpol (thank you "Fireman Dan" in Mpls). I cover my
> expenses and sell them to the group with a very small margin of profit. This
> is a hobby to me and not a business... so I see no real income from this
> (production runs vary widely). That's not to say for you this could not be a
> business, just explaining my position on my costs: makes it more feasable
> for others who just want a great bank for the buck and give back to the
> members.
>
> So, you have my vote for continuing with your ideas! Please keep the list
> informed. Have plently of photos to share of final products so we can see
> what we are purchasing. The members of this list can provide input for
> improved changes to some of these parts and pieces; please utilize them as
> they have "been their and done that!"
>
> Again..... Kudo's! I want to build and enjoy the journey... but not over
> three years!
>
> KM Heide
> Hawley, MN
>
> *
> *
> **
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 8/18/10, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 12:10 AM
>
> Hey Guys, Regarding wood kits:
>
> My business partner and I took a business trip last week to LA for a
> conference (thus the lack of posts), and on the way down we began assembling
> prices and material lists for some wood kits that we mentioned last week or
> so ago on the list. We have both a CNC router (5' x 10' MultiCam CNC router
> and a 4' x 8' laser table), and have some spruce on hand that is spar grade
> stuff, but after the response we got, we began thinking that we would offer
> some sub-assembly kits. These would offer the spruce parts as well as the
> ply parts cut to shape using the CNC stuff.
>
> Planning all of this was the bulk of our discussion in the car (both
> directions) on the 4 hour trip. We have some of the kit info together, and I
> have been working to find some of the carriers that can ship reasonably all
> over the country. I haven't posted all this yet as I was wanting to have all
> the info for the number of requests we've had.
>
> I just checked ACS and saw that they now have sub kits available, which was
> what we were thinking of offering. I can't remember if I posted this earlier
> when I mentioned that we'd be offering kits, but I think it's great that
> those options are available! It makes it better for ALL of us to have
> options, and the ability to choose.
>
> We got a new web address for all of this (www.PietenParts.com<http://www.pietenparts.com/> or
> www.PietParts.com <http://www.pietparts.com/>), and I can tell you that
> our kits and sub kits will be CNC cut Plywood parts and will have all of the
> materials listed so you can see what you are getting. I noticed this was
> missing when I went to the ACS site... But, nice to see the sub kits which
> is what I was planning to offer originally.
>
> By the way, we are going to offer our kits with CNC machined rib jigs for
> the Original FC-10 airfoil, the Riblett GA-30-612 and the Riblett
> GA-30-613.5 airfoils.
>
> One additional item that I am very excited about offering is a rib stick
> cutting jig that will cut the internal rib sticks for each rib easily
> and accurately! It can reduce the amount of time it takes to cut the sticks
> down to a short afternoon, and they'll snap in place! So far I have the one
> for the Riblett 613.5 finished, and I still need to finish the FC-10 jig,
> and the FC-10 and Riblett 612 cutting jig. I cut the parts for the internal
> rib sticks very accuratly, and importantly, quickly.
>
> We hope to have the website up and running before long:
>
> www.PietenParts.com <http://www.pietenparts.com/> or www.PietParts.com<http://www.pietparts.com/>will eventually get you to the same place!
>
> By the way, we are pricing the Wing Rib kits, with the Bending Jig, The
> Stick Cutting Jig, and the actual Rib Jig for much less than what I saw on
> ACS. We are including a 'No Spar' option where you can just buy rib stuff
> with out spars to see if you even want to go further into the project before
> committing serious money. Some people may tire after ribs :o\
>
> More soon.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gboothe5@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Whew!!! Just contact Mark Roberts, mark.rbrts1@gmail.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>.
> I know he doesn't
> have kit prices yet, but he has wood...
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>]
> On Behalf Of K5YAC
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:46 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits
>
> >
>
> Well that is confusing as hell. You guys normally posted a wood package
> for
> the Pietenpol Air Camper... now you only list four "kits" for the different
> sections of the Pietenpol Air Camper, and none of them are linked to a bill
> of materials that can be accessed and studied in order to confirm what the
> customer is actually ordering. For example, what is included in that $931
> "wing kit" that is now listed? Does that include capstrip for wing ribs?
> If so, what are guys suposed to do that have already built or acquired
> ribs?
> Search for individual items to complete the wings? Whew! Not the end of
> the world, but another challenge for an individual that might have just
> chosen to purchase your old wood package.
>
> I'm not sure how well those packages will go over. If I remember
> correctly,
> the old wood package was compiled quite some time ago and there are many
> notes out there that reference that "no capstrip or plywood" package. The
> contents of the original package is right on according to many past
> builders, and I am enjoying the fact that some of the guess work is
> eliminated when following the instruction of veteran builders that have
> used
> your wood package. In fact, it is one of the main reasons I purchased your
> package. I mean, have you guys tried to build one of these from the plans?
>
>
> I suppose things can change, but I certainly can't recommend what you are
> currently offering since I have no idea what it includes. I would like to
> suggest that you offer the original package along with those "kits" you are
> offering. In addition to that... publish a bill of materials (similar to
> the
> GN-1 package) so people can know what they are looking at.
>
> Perhaps you know best what it is that your customer wants, but it seems
> like
> you might not want to mess with something that many people have said is a
> "no-brainer" when it comes to wood selection. Lots of people like to
> acquire their wood in different ways, but I'm sure that many would choose
> to
> pay a little extra to know they have good quality components cut to the
> sizes they require.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308429#308429
>
>
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To the List, I appologize for voicing my pollitical views on the list, I kn
ow this group is about Pietenpols, I guess it just slipped on out.-
-
Shad
-
So by the way what are the odds, of me making the wood fabric and tailwhels
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| Subject: | half-scale model |
If anyone is interested, I've uploaded more progress photos
of the RC half-scale replica of NX41CC that a friend of mine
is building. They are at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/model2.pdf
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Hi Shad,
First baby: odds are 0 for flying 100 for attending mother-to-be, but wear
ear plugs as you won't like the names she calls you!
.
Second or more baby: odds are greater she will want you the h*&* out of the
re; so go flying but buy a nice gift to give her on your return.
Good luck,
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:25:53 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: appology
To the List, I appologize for voicing my pollitical views on the list, I kn
ow this group is about Pietenpols, I guess it just slipped on out.=C2-
Shad
So by the way what are the odds, of me making the wood fabric and tailwhels
fly-in?
==
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Shad,
Hopefully, you made yourself such a PIA on the first one that she WANTS you
gone. I give it even money, though..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: appology
To the List, I appologize for voicing my pollitical views on the list, I
know this group is about Pietenpols, I guess it just slipped on out.
Shad
So by the way what are the odds, of me making the wood fabric and tailwhels
fly-in?
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| Subject: | Grounding Aircraft |
All.thanks so much for your thoughts! Jack, I memorized all of Tony's
books, plus, pull many of his articles from the EAA archives, a fantastic
resource. But the thoughts I receive here are the best, thank you all!
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grounding Aircraft
Would like to hear thoughts on grounding the various parts on a Piet, fuel
tank, avionics, lights, engine, etc.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | remote mounting 0200 air box |
Jack, on your first photo, at the lower joint those look like welded beads,
could you elaborate?
Thanks,
Jack
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: remote mounting 0200 air box
Douwe,
You can just let some of the airbox sit outside the cowling. It doesn't
seem to mess up the lines too much. It looks terrible when the cowling is
unpainted, but tends to disappear once the plane is finished.
Look at what mine looked like before and after paint:
Perhaps it helps to paint the cowling a dark color, but I find the airbox
hanging down just doesn't draw the eye to it. If you look closely, you can
see that the base of the carburetor (where the airbox attaches) is below the
line of the cowling, so even if you moved the airbox, you would still have
the SCAT hose showing there, and in the picture above, the SCAT hose is much
more distracting to the eye than the whole airbox.
Of course, mine is an A65 and I believe you are using an O-200, but I don't
think they are much different in this regard.
I think adding a length of SCAT hose between the air filter and the
carburetor would add an unnecessary restriction to the engine airflow, and
reduce power.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: remote mounting 0200 air box
Hey guys,
As I'm building my new cowling, I'm finding the air intake really messing up
the bottom "lines". I got to thinking, "why can't I just relocate it and
mount it remotely"?. As long as the scat tubing from the box to the carb
isn't too long to cool the heated air when I use the carb heat, I can't see
any downside.
Thoughts?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Rust Protection Question |
Yet another question for my "list friends".With your wing/center struts,
gear and various horns, how are you protecting against rust and corrosion
internally after painting? Prior to painting mine rust quickly if I don't
coat with oil.
Thanks,
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Rust Protection Question |
I was planning on linseed oil but haven't done any "real" research yet but a
few quick google searches have turned up promising results
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> Yet another question for my =9Clist friends=9DWith yo
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t rust and corrosion internally after painting? Prior to painting mine rust
quickly if I don=99t coat with oil
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I don't know if anybody is needing a set but there is a set of BC12D struts I believe
it said they are on Ebay aircraft parts list right now.I do not know that
they are suitable for use to make Piet struts but I would sure check it out
if I didn't already have mine made./on another note if anybody has any experience
hooking up a Datcon tachometer I'd sure appreciate a e-mail off list. I'm
having some trouble figuring out how to program mine. Raymond
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