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1. 06:56 AM - AS&S (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 07:03 AM - Mag timing/ impulse on both mags (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 07:07 AM - Tail wheel..good reading (Michael Perez)
4. 07:30 AM - Re: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags (899PM)
5. 07:31 AM - Re: Tail wheel..good reading (Gary Boothe)
6. 07:59 AM - Why not post replies in the original topic??? (Dan P)
7. 08:26 AM - Re: Tail wheel..good reading (Michael Perez)
8. 08:32 AM - Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? (Ryan Mueller)
9. 08:32 AM - Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? (Michael Perez)
10. 08:52 AM - Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? (John Recine)
11. 09:43 AM - Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? (K5YAC)
12. 09:59 AM - Re: Wood kits (K5YAC)
13. 10:28 AM - Re: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags (Jerry Dotson)
14. 10:58 AM - Why not post replies in the original topic ??? (Bill Church)
15. 11:09 AM - Re: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags (Gene Rambo)
16. 11:29 AM - Last Ribs (echobravo4)
17. 11:45 AM - Re: Last Ribs (Michael Perez)
18. 11:47 AM - Re: Last Ribs (Jim Markle)
19. 01:24 PM - Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? (Kringle)
20. 01:56 PM - Turtle Deck (bcolleran)
21. 01:58 PM - cowl support (bcolleran)
22. 02:11 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Gary Boothe)
23. 02:19 PM - Magneto problem- mystery solved (helspersew@aol.com)
24. 02:21 PM - Re: cowl support (Gary Boothe)
25. 02:21 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Dale Johnson)
26. 02:32 PM - Hi, I'm Tucker (Tucker)
27. 02:39 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (Jack Phillips)
28. 02:56 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (Bill Church)
29. 03:22 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (Ryan Mueller)
30. 04:24 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (John Recine)
31. 04:29 PM - Re: Last Ribs (Ben Charvet)
32. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: cowl support (Jack)
33. 04:35 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (Jack)
34. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (Jack)
35. 04:54 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Jack)
36. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (Jim Markle)
37. 05:06 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Jim Markle)
38. 05:20 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (echobravo4)
39. 05:47 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Ryan Mueller)
40. 06:29 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (shad bell)
41. 08:07 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Rick Holland)
42. 08:08 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (BYD)
43. 08:13 PM - Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? (BYD)
44. 10:48 PM - Plnas came in !! (j_dunavin)
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Kudos to Aircraft Spruce and Specialty for being responsive enough to our
needs to: (a.) even hear our group grumblings and (b.) to respond quickly to
such.
No they're not perfect, but I've pretty much built my plane from their
catalog and have always appreciated the things they've done right which have
far outnumbered the mistakes.
Douwe
Ps. Hey Dan, Gene is bang on about your mag timing. (no surprise right?)
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| Subject: | Mag timing/ impulse on both mags |
Gene and Douwe,
Yes I think you are right on the mag timing problem. I am going to get ar
ound to looking at it this afternoon. But Gene, I am not sure why I would
need to remove one of the impulse couplings. My Aeronca has two Slick mag
s and both have the impulses. Even when I ran the old Bendix mags, they bo
th had it. Please explain.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Tail wheel..good reading |
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kgear.html#tailwheel
Above is a link to an write-up I just came across. You may read the whole thing,
but if you click on the "tail wheel update" link at the top of the page it will
take you to what I read.
It is a little long winded, but I found it interesting. Just passing it along.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags |
One less mechanical thing to break/malfunction.
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PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Tail wheel..good reading |
Thanks for posting that, Michael! I have that tailwheel.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 7:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel..good reading
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kgear.html#tailwheel
Above is a link to an write-up I just came across. You may read the whole
thing, but if you click on the "tail wheel update" link at the top of the
page it will take you to what I read.
It is a little long winded, but I found it interesting. Just passing it
along.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Why not post replies in the original topic??? |
I've noticed that on this forum that some members rather than post comments, replies,
suggestions etc in the original post they post in a new topic. Example,
there are at least 10 new topics started with Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors
and fellow lovers...
Just looking through the first couple of pages of topics there numerous other examples.
The topic become very disjointed. It is hard to follow the topic in a chronological
order as to who is replying to who.
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Dan Plett
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| Subject: | Tail wheel..good reading |
I plan on using that same wheel, but I am going to see if I can get it from the
place mentioned in the write-up and get some better bearings.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? |
Why can't we all just follow the rules? If it wasn't for rules we'd
all be living in trees, flinging our crap at each other. Is that what
you want to be? A bunch of tree-living crap-flingers? ;)
Ryan
Please do NOT archive
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On Aug 20, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Dan P <dlplett@swko.net> wrote:
>
> I've noticed that on this forum that some members rather than post comments,
replies, suggestions etc in the original post they post in a new topic. Example,
there are at least 10 new topics started with Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors
and fellow lovers...
>
> Just looking through the first couple of pages of topics there numerous other
examples.
>
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> The topic become very disjointed. It is hard to follow the topic in a chronological
order as to who is replying to who.
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> Dan Plett
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| Subject: | Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? |
I noticed the same thing...even with my replies. I reply to the original post.
(So I thought...I don't start a new topic) Something amiss with the server?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? |
Ryan,
I am not certain that your analogy is comprehensible or acceptable by most.
The last time I made a similar suggestion as it applied to flying a predictable
pattern at Brodhead, I had a ton of crap flung at me by most everyone. Even
Hitler was suggested!
And now you are suggesting rules and laws are the thing that separates us and our
society from animals and barbarians?
I think following the rules is a good suggestion and rational idea....duck here
comes the crap!
And the guy in the blue TriPacer
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Less Yawanna
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From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Why not post replies in the original topic???
Why can't we all just follow the rules? If it wasn't for rules we'd
all be living in trees, flinging our crap at each other. Is that what
you want to be? A bunch of tree-living crap-flingers? ;)
Ryan
Please do NOT archive
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On Aug 20, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Dan P <dlplett@swko.net> wrote:
>
> I've noticed that on this forum that some members rather than post comments,
replies, suggestions etc in the original post they post in a new topic. Example,
there are at least 10 new topics started with Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors
and fellow lovers...
>
> Just looking through the first couple of pages of topics there numerous other
examples.
>
>
> The topic become very disjointed. It is hard to follow the topic in a chronological
order as to who is replying to who.
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> Dan Plett
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| Subject: | Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? |
Oh man... I sure am glad that I didn't start this thread.
How does that go? Don't disconcert the masses, right?
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Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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That is right Bill... one of the Ohio Piet guys had an old typed list that has
obviously floated around for years, but I can't remember the name. I was told
that his list was used to create the AS&S bill of materials for the original
Pietenpol wood package, minus any capstrip or ply. I'm not sure if that is all
true, but I did use that list to inventory the parts I received from AS&S and
it was right on, with the exception of two extra 3/16" strips for the empennage.
Much of the hand written and photo copied notes were difficult to read, so I retyped
them a few months ago and posted them here for others to use. I've found
the list useful when trying to determine what lengths to use for which assemblies...
I figured others would too.
Getting to the point... at the bottom of his page he had a note stating...
65HP or less - 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip
65HP or more - 1/4" x 1/2" capstrip
Perhaps that is where it came from?
I agree that 1/4" x 1/2" should be used as per the original plans.
Bill Church wrote:
> Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the contents
of each wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by Mark).
> I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I already
have all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The wing kit
lists 500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for 1/4" x 1/4" anywhere.
The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2".
> I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that had
a small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine horsepower,
but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows where that
came from.
> Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and not
on some modification that some, unknown person came up with.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderkits.php?PN=01-00582
>
> Bill C.
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Mark Chouinard
Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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| Subject: | Re: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags |
Dan I am with you on both mags having impulse couplings. It will definitely
start better. The only problem I have ever seen an impulse coupling give is
back when I first started flying the oils were not as good as now. They would gum
up...get sticky and not engage sometime. Washed up and work good as new.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Why not post replies in the original topic ??? |
This was just WAAAAY too tempting...
I couldn't resist.
Okay, I'll go climb back up my tree.
Well, I had to come down anyway, to gather some more crap to fling..
(by the way, I agree with Dan's point - as long as the comments are on topic).
BC
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Dan wrote:
I've noticed that on this forum that some members rather than post comments, replies,
suggestions etc in the original post they post in a new topic. Example,
there are at least 10 new topics started with Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors
and fellow lovers...
Just looking through the first couple of pages of topics there numerous other examples.
The topic become very disjointed. It is hard to follow the topic in a chronological
order as to who is replying to who.
And then Ryan wrote:
Why can't we all just follow the rules? If it wasn't for rules we'd all be living
in trees, flinging our crap at each other. Is that what you want to be? A bunch
of tree-living crap-flingers?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309548#309548
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| Subject: | Mag timing/ impulse on both mags |
Dan=2C I was not suggesting you HAVE to remove one=2C just that another is
not necessary. Most modern engines only have one. Many more old continent
als and such had none at all. Radials=2C except Kinners (probably somethin
g else=2C but I can't think of one) dont have impulses. I think the Model
A would start just fine with no impulse=2C but if you want one that is fine
. I just think two is overkill and may be somehow contributing to your pro
blem.
Gene
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags
From: helspersew@aol.com
Gene and Douwe=2C
Yes I think you are right on the mag timing problem. I am going to get aro
und to looking at it this afternoon. But Gene=2C I am not sure why I would
need to remove one of the impulse couplings. My Aeronca has two Slick mags
and both have the impulses. Even when I ran the old Bendix mags=2C they bot
h had it. Please explain.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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OK, i am down to my last 6 ribs!
I am making the 3 piece wing and have noticed that some people have
the 2 outer center section ribs sheeted in ply and others do not.
Why the 2 different methods and what size ply was used by those that used
it?
Also, would the inner ribs of each wing panel need to be sheeted too?
Thanks-
Earl
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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The added sheeting on the center section and inboard wing ribs aids in atta
ching fabric.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Fri, 8/20/10, echobravo4 <eab4@comcast.net> wrote:
From: echobravo4 <eab4@comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs
OK, i am down to my last 6 ribs!
I am making the 3 piece wing and have noticed that some people have
the 2 outer center section ribs sheeted in ply and others do not.
Why the 2 different methods and what size ply was used by those that used
it?
Also, would the inner ribs of each wing panel need to be sheeted too?
Thanks-
Earl
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up whe
re I intended to be.
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le, List Admin.
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I'm one of those that sheeted it in (1/16") ply and I have NO idea why I did that
(I've made that statement more than once in my life!).
Seriously, I would not do it again. I would definitely put in the extra "compression"
1/4 X1/2 vertical pieces but I'm sure those are enough. Actually, I ended
up routing out most of the ply anyway...see attached.
JM
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>From: echobravo4 <eab4@comcast.net>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2010 2:27 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs
>
>
>OK, i am down to my last 6 ribs!
>
>I am making the 3 piece wing and have noticed that some people have
>the 2 outer center section ribs sheeted in ply and others do not.
>
>Why the 2 different methods and what size ply was used by those that used
>it?
>
>Also, would the inner ribs of each wing panel need to be sheeted too?
>
>Thanks-
>Earl
>
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>Earl Brown
>
>I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where
I intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? |
While we're on the subject of minor problems......can someone tell me why some
of the post are in such small print? It seems once a thread goes small it all
goes small and stays that way. I was thinking maybe someone was typing in such
a small font that it forced my screen to go small to get the lines in?
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John
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Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the answer
to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant seem to
find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the back,
I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little low.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Bill
N424BK
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Hey guys I see some of you have a piece of what looks like 1 x 1 behind the cowl
support that is bent the same radius. Then I see some of you have placed what
looks like 1 x 1 in between the cowl support and the panel.
Those that have the bent radius what was the method to you madness. It looks nice
and seems as if it would give great support the cowl when it is laid.
Bill
N424BK
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Make the turtle decks as high as you want! Mine are 1 1/2" higher, but not
flight tested...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the
answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant
seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the
back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little
low.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Bill
N424BK
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| Subject: | Magneto problem- mystery solved |
Good (some if you) People,
First of all I would like to agree with Mike C. who has in the past advoca
ted changing the topic line to suit the changing conversation so as to not
drag the same old topic line out days and days, so that the resulting con
versation is not even close to the original anymore. (now waiting to be fl
amed).
This afternoon I had some time to go out in the hangar and try to solve my
magneto problem. Y'all (getting ready to move to TN) were correct. I disc
overed that the bolts on the right (malfunctioning) mag had loosened up an
d the mag had rotated quite a bit and it was firing way too early. Then
I checked the the left (correctly functioning) mag and it was still right
on (30 degrees before TC). So I tightened everything down and expect ever
ything to be OK. Had to button up the hangar because a storm was about
to hit. I'll try running it tomorrow.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Bill,
You may need as many as 4 or 5 of those, depending on how you design things.
Take a piece of 3/4" plywood or particle board and make a template that
matches the radius you decide upon. You'll need to clamp all together with
pipe clamps or furniture clamps (2 would do), so make it so you can sandwich
the pieces between. Cut a bunch of thin strips, 1/16" x 3/4", glue and
clamp...its fun!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowl support
Hey guys I see some of you have a piece of what looks like 1 x 1 behind the
cowl support that is bent the same radius. Then I see some of you have
placed what looks like 1 x 1 in between the cowl support and the panel.
Those that have the bent radius what was the method to you madness. It
looks nice and seems as if it would give great support the cowl when it is
laid.
Bill
N424BK
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Bill
I made the turtle deck from 1/4 by 1 inch redwood. Light and strong.
The height is the same as the instrument panel. That is so the shoulder
strap will not put downward pressure
on the spine.
Dale
> [Original Message]
> From: bcolleran <bcolleran@comcast.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/20/2010 3:58:18 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
>
>
> Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the
answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I
cant seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
>
> Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in
the back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a
little low.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
> N424BK
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569
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I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather built
a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols at Oshkosh
for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided to go for
it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair engine. We spent
yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited about getting started.
I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a picture.
--------
Tucker
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Welcome, Tucker. It's very refreshing to get some young blood on this list
- all these old folks are getting me down.
Serioulsy, we're very glad to have you and you will find this list to be an
emnormous asset as you build your airplane. Next year you need to come to
Brodhead the weekend before Oshkosh.
Now as you get started you need to buy the set of 4 Tony Bingelis books, The
Sportplane Builder, Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward,
and Tony Bingelis on Engines. They will tell you most of what you need to
know, this list can provide the rest.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tucker
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 5:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker
I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather
built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols
at Oshkosh for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided
to go for it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair
engine. We spent yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited
about getting started. I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a
picture.
--------
Tucker
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
Wow! 13 years old, and building yourself an airplane. Way to go!
When I was your age, I was only building flying models.
One good thing is that the Pietenpol is built just like a model airplane (just
on a bigger scale). In fact, the bigger scale is actually easier to work with
- except for those GIANT Tee-pins (just kidding).
You and your grandfather are in for a fun ride.
Welcome to the List!
Keep us updated with your progress, and ask any questions that you might come up
with as you go.
Bill C.
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Hi Tucker,
Congrats on choosing to build a Pietenpol. Between the knowledge your
grandfather has acquired, and the knowledge on this list you should have
plenty of help successfully completing your goal of building a Piet.
A quick note about Corvairs for aircraft use: you should not just use any
Corvair engine when looking to convert one for aircraft use. There are
suitable engine codes that indicate particular characteristics of an engine
that make it a good candidate for converting to an aircraft engine. Based on
the picture of the engine that you sent, it looks like you have a 140
horsepower engine (the 4 carburetors indicate that). You will want to check
the engine code that is stamped on top of the crankcase, behind the oil
filler tube. It needs to end in the following two letters to be suitable for
conversion for aircraft use: AH, RN, RX, RY. If it does not end in any of
those four pairs, then unfortunately it is not suitable to use for an
aircraft conversion.
If it does end in those four codes you can rebuild it for aircraft use, but
there are a few considerations to make before you proceed with it. You will
not be able to use the cylinder heads from that engine; you will need to
find different, more appropriate cylinder heads (95 or 110 horsepower
cylinder heads). You will also have to replace the crankshaft gear with a
different gear, because it is retarded 4 degrees and is not suitable for
aircraft use. This can be a rather difficult task to accomplish, and is not
ideal to have to do so.
The 140 horsepower engines may be more valuable to the car guys, as I think
they are a little rarer. You might look up your local Corvair car club, and
ask around and see if anyone wants to trade for one or two 110 horsepower
engine cores (of the proper code).
You mentioned you need to buy William Wynne's manual. I would highly
recommend doing so before proceeding much further with your Corvair rebuild.
The manual is chock full of information about which kinds of engines are
going to be best suited for conversion for aircraft use, and the best way to
go about rebuilding one to ensure you end up with a reliable engine.
Good luck!
Ryan
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Tucker <Tucker@tuckerrice.net> wrote:
>
> I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather
> built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols
> at Oshkosh for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided
> to go for it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair
> engine. We spent yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited
> about getting started. I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a
> picture.
>
> --------
> Tucker
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309576#309576
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_154.jpg
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Tucker,
Welcome, I can't to begin to tell you just how impressed I am with you. Such great
ambitions and goals at such a young age your grandfather must be delighted.
I am building one with my grandson too, he's a bit younger but it makes him happy
to know he's part of the project. And when we work together I am I'm in the
presence of the 2 greatest joys of my life.
I can't wait to meet you and your grandfather in Brodhead next year.
Where are you from? Along with the list we have one additional resource available
to assist in your build. Many of us travel with our jobs and if a builder doesn't
live near you I am certain one of our traveling crew would be more than
happy to lend a hand, advice or support so please keep us all in mind as available
resources in helping with your build.
Best of luck in the hours of enjoyment you and your grandfather are going to have
building the dream together.
John
Lititz Pennsylvania
------Original Message------
From: Tucker
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker
Sent: Aug 20, 2010 5:32 PM
I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather built
a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols at Oshkosh
for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided to go for
it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair engine. We spent
yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited about getting started.
I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a picture.
--------
Tucker
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Actually I thought the sheeting on the inboard wing ribs keeps the
fabric from pulling the ribs in when shrinking. I still ended up with a
slight warpage.
Ben Charvet
On 8/20/2010 2:41 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> The added sheeting on the center section and inboard wing ribs aids in
> attaching fabric.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/20/10, echobravo4 /<eab4@comcast.net>/* wrote:
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> From: echobravo4 <eab4@comcast.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 2:27 PM
>
> <eab4@comcast.net </mc/compose?to=eab4@comcast.net>>
>
> OK, i am down to my last 6 ribs!
>
> I am making the 3 piece wing and have noticed that some people have
> the 2 outer center section ribs sheeted in ply and others do not.
>
> Why the 2 different methods and what size ply was used by those
> that used
> it?
>
> Also, would the inner ribs of each wing panel need to be sheeted too?
>
> Thanks-
> Earl
>
> --------
> Earl Brown
>
> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have
> ended up where I intended to be.
>
>
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Bill take a look at my site, this link will get you close
http://textors.com/IMG_2022_640x427.jpg . You will need a form, plastic
wrap and I used 1/16 (cut with a razor knife) and thin super glue.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowl support
Bill,
You may need as many as 4 or 5 of those, depending on how you design things.
Take a piece of 3/4" plywood or particle board and make a template that
matches the radius you decide upon. You'll need to clamp all together with
pipe clamps or furniture clamps (2 would do), so make it so you can sandwich
the pieces between. Cut a bunch of thin strips, 1/16" x 3/4", glue and
clamp...its fun!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowl support
Hey guys I see some of you have a piece of what looks like 1 x 1 behind the
cowl support that is bent the same radius. Then I see some of you have
placed what looks like 1 x 1 in between the cowl support and the panel.
Those that have the bent radius what was the method to you madness. It
looks nice and seems as if it would give great support the cowl when it is
laid.
Bill
N424BK
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Tucker that is fantastic, you and you Grandfather will have a great time.
Keep us advised of your progress.
Take care,
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tucker
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 4:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker
I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather
built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols
at Oshkosh for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided
to go for it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair
engine. We spent yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited
about getting started. I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a
picture.
--------
Tucker
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Yes Brodhead! Mr. Phillips is a fantastic guy! If you have a sister he
would give her a ride. Kidding, he is a great pilot and would love to take
you up.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 4:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Welcome, Tucker. It's very refreshing to get some young blood on this list
- all these old folks are getting me down.
Serioulsy, we're very glad to have you and you will find this list to be an
emnormous asset as you build your airplane. Next year you need to come to
Brodhead the weekend before Oshkosh.
Now as you get started you need to buy the set of 4 Tony Bingelis books, The
Sportplane Builder, Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward,
and Tony Bingelis on Engines. They will tell you most of what you need to
know, this list can provide the rest.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tucker
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 5:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker
I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather
built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols
at Oshkosh for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided
to go for it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair
engine. We spent yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited
about getting started. I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a
picture.
--------
Tucker
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Bill, I used 1/4" fir strips from Lowes, my deck is 2" higher than plans and
matched the forward cowls. A suggestion, don't do as I did and use 11
strips. I did so to smooth out the deck and Fireman Dan pointed out I added
a lot of weight to the rear of my ship, good advice. I drilled lightening
holes to help a little. See here http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg .
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the
answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant
seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the
back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little
low.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Bill
N424BK
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
I have an idea this is one Pietenpol that WILL get finished....
http://www.tuckerrice.net/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2010 4:55 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hi, I'm Tucker
>
>
>Wow! 13 years old, and building yourself an airplane. Way to go!
>When I was your age, I was only building flying models.
>One good thing is that the Pietenpol is built just like a model airplane (just
on a bigger scale). In fact, the bigger scale is actually easier to work with
- except for those GIANT Tee-pins (just kidding).
>You and your grandfather are in for a fun ride.
>Welcome to the List!
>Keep us updated with your progress, and ask any questions that you might come
up with as you go.
>
>Bill C.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309579#309579
>
>
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That's a neat picture....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2010 6:54 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
>
>
>Bill, I used 1/4" fir strips from Lowes, my deck is 2" higher than plans and
>matched the forward cowls. A suggestion, don't do as I did and use 11
>strips. I did so to smooth out the deck and Fireman Dan pointed out I added
>a lot of weight to the rear of my ship, good advice. I drilled lightening
>holes to help a little. See here http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg .
>Jack
>DSM
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
>Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:57 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
>
>
>Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the
>answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant
>seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
>
>Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the
>back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little
>low.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill
>N424BK
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
Welcome Tucker!
This is a great group of people that are a great resource for information
and support!
Have fun and keep us posted on the progress!
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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Hmm...maybe if you round the top of each stringer....say, in the shape
of a bullet. That'd be the ticket...
Ryan
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On Aug 20, 2010, at 6:54 PM, "Jack" <jack@textors.com> wrote:
>
> Bill, I used 1/4" fir strips from Lowes, my deck is 2" higher than plans and
> matched the forward cowls. A suggestion, don't do as I did and use 11
> strips. I did so to smooth out the deck and Fireman Dan pointed out I added
> a lot of weight to the rear of my ship, good advice. I drilled lightening
> holes to help a little. See here http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg .
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:57 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck
>
>
> Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the
> answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant
> seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
>
> Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the
> back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little
> low.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
> N424BK
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hi, I'm Tucker |
Good to have a young man starting his Pietenpol.- You are a very fortunat
e person to be able to start your airplane at a young age.- The rest of u
s only dreamed of building a real airplane when we were 13, most of us were
still building models.- You will learn a lot while building. You will fi
nd practical uses for all that math you learn in school, and be able to app
ly it to something you like to do.- By the time you are half way done wit
h your Pietenpol, You will be teaching your high school shop teacher how to
do something (do they still have shop classes?).- If you need any help w
ith the corvair, I will help you the best I can, if I do not know the answe
r, I will tell you I don't know.- Like Ryan M. said, get William Wynne's
manual, and study it.- Do your research, and decide for sure you like the
corvair.- You can decide later in your build which engine to use.- Kee
p on truck'n, Tucker, you'll be flying befor you know it!
-
Shad
-
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Made my rear turtle deck 3" higher and both instrument boards 2" higher. As
shown in the Bingelis books you don't want your shoulder harness attach
point too low.
rick
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:56 PM, bcolleran <bcolleran@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the
> answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant
> seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width.
>
> Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the
> back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little
> low.
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> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
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> Bill
> N424BK
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569
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>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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If you raise the turtle deck, you may have a greater need for the flop.
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| Subject: | Plnas came in !! |
Went over to my Dad's house and we looked over the plans and read over the book.
I'm sooo excited that we have the plans now.
Now we gata start making some saw dust 8)
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