---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/20/10: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:56 AM - AS&S (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 07:03 AM - Mag timing/ impulse on both mags (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 07:07 AM - Tail wheel..good reading (Michael Perez) 4. 07:30 AM - Re: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags (899PM) 5. 07:31 AM - Re: Tail wheel..good reading (Gary Boothe) 6. 07:59 AM - Why not post replies in the original topic??? (Dan P) 7. 08:26 AM - Re: Tail wheel..good reading (Michael Perez) 8. 08:32 AM - Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? (Ryan Mueller) 9. 08:32 AM - Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? (Michael Perez) 10. 08:52 AM - Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? (John Recine) 11. 09:43 AM - Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? (K5YAC) 12. 09:59 AM - Re: Wood kits (K5YAC) 13. 10:28 AM - Re: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags (Jerry Dotson) 14. 10:58 AM - Why not post replies in the original topic ??? (Bill Church) 15. 11:09 AM - Re: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags (Gene Rambo) 16. 11:29 AM - Last Ribs (echobravo4) 17. 11:45 AM - Re: Last Ribs (Michael Perez) 18. 11:47 AM - Re: Last Ribs (Jim Markle) 19. 01:24 PM - Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? (Kringle) 20. 01:56 PM - Turtle Deck (bcolleran) 21. 01:58 PM - cowl support (bcolleran) 22. 02:11 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Gary Boothe) 23. 02:19 PM - Magneto problem- mystery solved (helspersew@aol.com) 24. 02:21 PM - Re: cowl support (Gary Boothe) 25. 02:21 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Dale Johnson) 26. 02:32 PM - Hi, I'm Tucker (Tucker) 27. 02:39 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (Jack Phillips) 28. 02:56 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (Bill Church) 29. 03:22 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (Ryan Mueller) 30. 04:24 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (John Recine) 31. 04:29 PM - Re: Last Ribs (Ben Charvet) 32. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: cowl support (Jack) 33. 04:35 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (Jack) 34. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (Jack) 35. 04:54 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Jack) 36. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (Jim Markle) 37. 05:06 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Jim Markle) 38. 05:20 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (echobravo4) 39. 05:47 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Ryan Mueller) 40. 06:29 PM - Re: Hi, I'm Tucker (shad bell) 41. 08:07 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (Rick Holland) 42. 08:08 PM - Re: Turtle Deck (BYD) 43. 08:13 PM - Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? (BYD) 44. 10:48 PM - Plnas came in !! (j_dunavin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:15 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: AS&S Kudos to Aircraft Spruce and Specialty for being responsive enough to our needs to: (a.) even hear our group grumblings and (b.) to respond quickly to such. No they're not perfect, but I've pretty much built my plane from their catalog and have always appreciated the things they've done right which have far outnumbered the mistakes. Douwe Ps. Hey Dan, Gene is bang on about your mag timing. (no surprise right?) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags From: helspersew@aol.com Gene and Douwe, Yes I think you are right on the mag timing problem. I am going to get ar ound to looking at it this afternoon. But Gene, I am not sure why I would need to remove one of the impulse couplings. My Aeronca has two Slick mag s and both have the impulses. Even when I ran the old Bendix mags, they bo th had it. Please explain. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:11 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel..good reading http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kgear.html#tailwheel Above is a link to an write-up I just came across. You may read the whole thing, but if you click on the "tail wheel update" link at the top of the page it will take you to what I read. It is a little long winded, but I found it interesting. Just passing it along. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags From: "899PM" One less mechanical thing to break/malfunction. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309524#309524 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:06 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel..good reading Thanks for posting that, Michael! I have that tailwheel. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 7:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel..good reading http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kgear.html#tailwheel Above is a link to an write-up I just came across. You may read the whole thing, but if you click on the "tail wheel update" link at the top of the page it will take you to what I read. It is a little long winded, but I found it interesting. Just passing it along. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Why not post replies in the original topic??? From: "Dan P" I've noticed that on this forum that some members rather than post comments, replies, suggestions etc in the original post they post in a new topic. Example, there are at least 10 new topics started with Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers... Just looking through the first couple of pages of topics there numerous other examples. The topic become very disjointed. It is hard to follow the topic in a chronological order as to who is replying to who. -------- Dan Plett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309527#309527 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:12 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel..good reading I plan on using that same wheel, but I am going to see if I can get it from the place mentioned in the write-up and get some better bearings. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:42 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Why not post replies in the original topic??? Why can't we all just follow the rules? If it wasn't for rules we'd all be living in trees, flinging our crap at each other. Is that what you want to be? A bunch of tree-living crap-flingers? ;) Ryan Please do NOT archive Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Dan P wrote: > > I've noticed that on this forum that some members rather than post comments, replies, suggestions etc in the original post they post in a new topic. Example, there are at least 10 new topics started with Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers... > > Just looking through the first couple of pages of topics there numerous other examples. > > > The topic become very disjointed. It is hard to follow the topic in a chronological order as to who is replying to who. > > -------- > Dan Plett > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309527#309527 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:44 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Why not post replies in the original topic??? I noticed the same thing...even with my replies. I reply to the original post. (So I thought...I don't start a new topic) Something amiss with the server? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Why not post replies in the original topic??? From: "John Recine" Ryan, I am not certain that your analogy is comprehensible or acceptable by most. The last time I made a similar suggestion as it applied to flying a predictable pattern at Brodhead, I had a ton of crap flung at me by most everyone. Even Hitler was suggested! And now you are suggesting rules and laws are the thing that separates us and our society from animals and barbarians? I think following the rules is a good suggestion and rational idea....duck here comes the crap! And the guy in the blue TriPacer Do not archive Less Yawanna Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Why not post replies in the original topic??? Why can't we all just follow the rules? If it wasn't for rules we'd all be living in trees, flinging our crap at each other. Is that what you want to be? A bunch of tree-living crap-flingers? ;) Ryan Please do NOT archive Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Dan P wrote: > > I've noticed that on this forum that some members rather than post comments, replies, suggestions etc in the original post they post in a new topic. Example, there are at least 10 new topics started with Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers... > > Just looking through the first couple of pages of topics there numerous other examples. > > > The topic become very disjointed. It is hard to follow the topic in a chronological order as to who is replying to who. > > -------- > Dan Plett > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309527#309527 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? From: "K5YAC" Oh man... I sure am glad that I didn't start this thread. How does that go? Don't disconcert the masses, right? -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309539#309539 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood kits From: "K5YAC" That is right Bill... one of the Ohio Piet guys had an old typed list that has obviously floated around for years, but I can't remember the name. I was told that his list was used to create the AS&S bill of materials for the original Pietenpol wood package, minus any capstrip or ply. I'm not sure if that is all true, but I did use that list to inventory the parts I received from AS&S and it was right on, with the exception of two extra 3/16" strips for the empennage. Much of the hand written and photo copied notes were difficult to read, so I retyped them a few months ago and posted them here for others to use. I've found the list useful when trying to determine what lengths to use for which assemblies... I figured others would too. Getting to the point... at the bottom of his page he had a note stating... 65HP or less - 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip 65HP or more - 1/4" x 1/2" capstrip Perhaps that is where it came from? I agree that 1/4" x 1/2" should be used as per the original plans. Bill Church wrote: > Just did a quick check, and the Aircraft Spruce website NOW has the contents of each wood kit listed (it didn't a few days ago, as was noted by Mark). > I haven't checked ALL of the details (and I don't think I will, since I already have all my spruce), but I did notice one thing that is wrong. The wing kit lists 500 ft of 1/4" x 1/4" capstrip. The plans do not call for 1/4" x 1/4" anywhere. The capstrip size should be 1/4" x 1/2". > I recall seeing a materials list that someone had posted a while back, that had a small note at the bottom, regarding capstrip size relating to engine horsepower, but the plans DO NOT have any reference to that - who knows where that came from. > Just seems logical that a wood kit should be based on the actual plans, and not on some modification that some, unknown person came up with. > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderkits.php?PN=01-00582 > > Bill C. -------- Mark Chouinard Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309542#309542 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags From: "Jerry Dotson" Dan I am with you on both mags having impulse couplings. It will definitely start better. The only problem I have ever seen an impulse coupling give is back when I first started flying the oils were not as good as now. They would gum up...get sticky and not engage sometime. Washed up and work good as new. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309545#309545 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Why not post replies in the original topic ??? From: "Bill Church" This was just WAAAAY too tempting... I couldn't resist. Okay, I'll go climb back up my tree. Well, I had to come down anyway, to gather some more crap to fling.. (by the way, I agree with Dan's point - as long as the comments are on topic). BC DO NOT ARCHIVE Dan wrote: I've noticed that on this forum that some members rather than post comments, replies, suggestions etc in the original post they post in a new topic. Example, there are at least 10 new topics started with Dear sage builders, engineers,advisors and fellow lovers... Just looking through the first couple of pages of topics there numerous other examples. The topic become very disjointed. It is hard to follow the topic in a chronological order as to who is replying to who. And then Ryan wrote: Why can't we all just follow the rules? If it wasn't for rules we'd all be living in trees, flinging our crap at each other. Is that what you want to be? A bunch of tree-living crap-flingers? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309548#309548 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:48 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags Dan=2C I was not suggesting you HAVE to remove one=2C just that another is not necessary. Most modern engines only have one. Many more old continent als and such had none at all. Radials=2C except Kinners (probably somethin g else=2C but I can't think of one) dont have impulses. I think the Model A would start just fine with no impulse=2C but if you want one that is fine . I just think two is overkill and may be somehow contributing to your pro blem. Gene Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mag timing/ impulse on both mags From: helspersew@aol.com Gene and Douwe=2C Yes I think you are right on the mag timing problem. I am going to get aro und to looking at it this afternoon. But Gene=2C I am not sure why I would need to remove one of the impulse couplings. My Aeronca has two Slick mags and both have the impulses. Even when I ran the old Bendix mags=2C they bot h had it. Please explain. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove=2C IL. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs From: "echobravo4" OK, i am down to my last 6 ribs! I am making the 3 piece wing and have noticed that some people have the 2 outer center section ribs sheeted in ply and others do not. Why the 2 different methods and what size ply was used by those that used it? Also, would the inner ribs of each wing panel need to be sheeted too? Thanks- Earl -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309552#309552 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:25 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs The added sheeting on the center section and inboard wing ribs aids in atta ching fabric. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com --- On Fri, 8/20/10, echobravo4 wrote: From: echobravo4 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs OK, i am down to my last 6 ribs! I am making the 3 piece wing and have noticed that some people have the 2 outer center section ribs sheeted in ply and others do not. Why the 2 different methods and what size ply was used by those that used it? Also, would the inner ribs of each wing panel need to be sheeted too? Thanks- Earl -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up whe re I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309552#309552 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:43 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs I'm one of those that sheeted it in (1/16") ply and I have NO idea why I did that (I've made that statement more than once in my life!). Seriously, I would not do it again. I would definitely put in the extra "compression" 1/4 X1/2 vertical pieces but I'm sure those are enough. Actually, I ended up routing out most of the ply anyway...see attached. JM -----Original Message----- >From: echobravo4 >Sent: Aug 20, 2010 2:27 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs > > >OK, i am down to my last 6 ribs! > >I am making the 3 piece wing and have noticed that some people have >the 2 outer center section ribs sheeted in ply and others do not. > >Why the 2 different methods and what size ply was used by those that used >it? > >Also, would the inner ribs of each wing panel need to be sheeted too? > >Thanks- >Earl > >-------- >Earl Brown > >I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309552#309552 > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? From: "Kringle" While we're on the subject of minor problems......can someone tell me why some of the post are in such small print? It seems once a thread goes small it all goes small and stays that way. I was thinking maybe someone was typing in such a small font that it forced my screen to go small to get the lines in? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309565#309565 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck From: "bcolleran" Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width. Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little low. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bill N424BK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowl support From: "bcolleran" Hey guys I see some of you have a piece of what looks like 1 x 1 behind the cowl support that is bent the same radius. Then I see some of you have placed what looks like 1 x 1 in between the cowl support and the panel. Those that have the bent radius what was the method to you madness. It looks nice and seems as if it would give great support the cowl when it is laid. Bill N424BK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309570#309570 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:54 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Make the turtle decks as high as you want! Mine are 1 1/2" higher, but not flight tested... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width. Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little low. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bill N424BK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Magneto problem- mystery solved From: helspersew@aol.com Good (some if you) People, First of all I would like to agree with Mike C. who has in the past advoca ted changing the topic line to suit the changing conversation so as to not drag the same old topic line out days and days, so that the resulting con versation is not even close to the original anymore. (now waiting to be fl amed). This afternoon I had some time to go out in the hangar and try to solve my magneto problem. Y'all (getting ready to move to TN) were correct. I disc overed that the bolts on the right (malfunctioning) mag had loosened up an d the mag had rotated quite a bit and it was firing way too early. Then I checked the the left (correctly functioning) mag and it was still right on (30 degrees before TC). So I tightened everything down and expect ever ything to be OK. Had to button up the hangar because a storm was about to hit. I'll try running it tomorrow. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:39 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowl support Bill, You may need as many as 4 or 5 of those, depending on how you design things. Take a piece of 3/4" plywood or particle board and make a template that matches the radius you decide upon. You'll need to clamp all together with pipe clamps or furniture clamps (2 would do), so make it so you can sandwich the pieces between. Cut a bunch of thin strips, 1/16" x 3/4", glue and clamp...its fun! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowl support Hey guys I see some of you have a piece of what looks like 1 x 1 behind the cowl support that is bent the same radius. Then I see some of you have placed what looks like 1 x 1 in between the cowl support and the panel. Those that have the bent radius what was the method to you madness. It looks nice and seems as if it would give great support the cowl when it is laid. Bill N424BK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309570#309570 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:40 PM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Bill I made the turtle deck from 1/4 by 1 inch redwood. Light and strong. The height is the same as the instrument panel. That is so the shoulder strap will not put downward pressure on the spine. Dale > [Original Message] > From: bcolleran > To: > Date: 8/20/2010 3:58:18 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck > > > Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width. > > Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little low. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Bill > N424BK > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569 > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker From: "Tucker" I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols at Oshkosh for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided to go for it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair engine. We spent yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited about getting started. I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a picture. -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309576#309576 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_154.jpg ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:52 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker Welcome, Tucker. It's very refreshing to get some young blood on this list - all these old folks are getting me down. Serioulsy, we're very glad to have you and you will find this list to be an emnormous asset as you build your airplane. Next year you need to come to Brodhead the weekend before Oshkosh. Now as you get started you need to buy the set of 4 Tony Bingelis books, The Sportplane Builder, Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis on Engines. They will tell you most of what you need to know, this list can provide the rest. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tucker Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols at Oshkosh for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided to go for it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair engine. We spent yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited about getting started. I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a picture. -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309576#309576 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_154.jpg ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hi, I'm Tucker From: "Bill Church" Wow! 13 years old, and building yourself an airplane. Way to go! When I was your age, I was only building flying models. One good thing is that the Pietenpol is built just like a model airplane (just on a bigger scale). In fact, the bigger scale is actually easier to work with - except for those GIANT Tee-pins (just kidding). You and your grandfather are in for a fun ride. Welcome to the List! Keep us updated with your progress, and ask any questions that you might come up with as you go. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309579#309579 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker From: Ryan Mueller Hi Tucker, Congrats on choosing to build a Pietenpol. Between the knowledge your grandfather has acquired, and the knowledge on this list you should have plenty of help successfully completing your goal of building a Piet. A quick note about Corvairs for aircraft use: you should not just use any Corvair engine when looking to convert one for aircraft use. There are suitable engine codes that indicate particular characteristics of an engine that make it a good candidate for converting to an aircraft engine. Based on the picture of the engine that you sent, it looks like you have a 140 horsepower engine (the 4 carburetors indicate that). You will want to check the engine code that is stamped on top of the crankcase, behind the oil filler tube. It needs to end in the following two letters to be suitable for conversion for aircraft use: AH, RN, RX, RY. If it does not end in any of those four pairs, then unfortunately it is not suitable to use for an aircraft conversion. If it does end in those four codes you can rebuild it for aircraft use, but there are a few considerations to make before you proceed with it. You will not be able to use the cylinder heads from that engine; you will need to find different, more appropriate cylinder heads (95 or 110 horsepower cylinder heads). You will also have to replace the crankshaft gear with a different gear, because it is retarded 4 degrees and is not suitable for aircraft use. This can be a rather difficult task to accomplish, and is not ideal to have to do so. The 140 horsepower engines may be more valuable to the car guys, as I think they are a little rarer. You might look up your local Corvair car club, and ask around and see if anyone wants to trade for one or two 110 horsepower engine cores (of the proper code). You mentioned you need to buy William Wynne's manual. I would highly recommend doing so before proceeding much further with your Corvair rebuild. The manual is chock full of information about which kinds of engines are going to be best suited for conversion for aircraft use, and the best way to go about rebuilding one to ensure you end up with a reliable engine. Good luck! Ryan On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Tucker wrote: > > I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather > built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols > at Oshkosh for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided > to go for it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair > engine. We spent yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited > about getting started. I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a > picture. > > -------- > Tucker > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309576#309576 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_154.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker From: "John Recine" Tucker, Welcome, I can't to begin to tell you just how impressed I am with you. Such great ambitions and goals at such a young age your grandfather must be delighted. I am building one with my grandson too, he's a bit younger but it makes him happy to know he's part of the project. And when we work together I am I'm in the presence of the 2 greatest joys of my life. I can't wait to meet you and your grandfather in Brodhead next year. Where are you from? Along with the list we have one additional resource available to assist in your build. Many of us travel with our jobs and if a builder doesn't live near you I am certain one of our traveling crew would be more than happy to lend a hand, advice or support so please keep us all in mind as available resources in helping with your build. Best of luck in the hours of enjoyment you and your grandfather are going to have building the dream together. John Lititz Pennsylvania ------Original Message------ From: Tucker Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker Sent: Aug 20, 2010 5:32 PM I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols at Oshkosh for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided to go for it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair engine. We spent yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited about getting started. I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a picture. -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309576#309576 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_154.jpg Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:55 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs Actually I thought the sheeting on the inboard wing ribs keeps the fabric from pulling the ribs in when shrinking. I still ended up with a slight warpage. Ben Charvet On 8/20/2010 2:41 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > The added sheeting on the center section and inboard wing ribs aids in > attaching fabric. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > --- On *Fri, 8/20/10, echobravo4 //* wrote: > > > From: echobravo4 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Ribs > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 2:27 PM > > > > > OK, i am down to my last 6 ribs! > > I am making the 3 piece wing and have noticed that some people have > the 2 outer center section ribs sheeted in ply and others do not. > > Why the 2 different methods and what size ply was used by those > that used > it? > > Also, would the inner ribs of each wing panel need to be sheeted too? > > Thanks- > Earl > > -------- > Earl Brown > > I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have > ended up where I intended to be. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" > target="_blank">http://www - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > = --> > > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:26 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowl support Bill take a look at my site, this link will get you close http://textors.com/IMG_2022_640x427.jpg . You will need a form, plastic wrap and I used 1/16 (cut with a razor knife) and thin super glue. Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cowl support Bill, You may need as many as 4 or 5 of those, depending on how you design things. Take a piece of 3/4" plywood or particle board and make a template that matches the radius you decide upon. You'll need to clamp all together with pipe clamps or furniture clamps (2 would do), so make it so you can sandwich the pieces between. Cut a bunch of thin strips, 1/16" x 3/4", glue and clamp...its fun! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cowl support Hey guys I see some of you have a piece of what looks like 1 x 1 behind the cowl support that is bent the same radius. Then I see some of you have placed what looks like 1 x 1 in between the cowl support and the panel. Those that have the bent radius what was the method to you madness. It looks nice and seems as if it would give great support the cowl when it is laid. Bill N424BK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309570#309570 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:29 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker Tucker that is fantastic, you and you Grandfather will have a great time. Keep us advised of your progress. Take care, Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tucker Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 4:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols at Oshkosh for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided to go for it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair engine. We spent yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited about getting started. I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a picture. -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309576#309576 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_154.jpg ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:56 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker Yes Brodhead! Mr. Phillips is a fantastic guy! If you have a sister he would give her a ride. Kidding, he is a great pilot and would love to take you up. Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 4:39 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker Welcome, Tucker. It's very refreshing to get some young blood on this list - all these old folks are getting me down. Serioulsy, we're very glad to have you and you will find this list to be an emnormous asset as you build your airplane. Next year you need to come to Brodhead the weekend before Oshkosh. Now as you get started you need to buy the set of 4 Tony Bingelis books, The Sportplane Builder, Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis on Engines. They will tell you most of what you need to know, this list can provide the rest. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tucker Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker I just joined the list, I'm 13 and building a Pietenpol. My grandfather built a Skybolt and RV-9A and is helping me. Been looking at the Pietenpols at Oshkosh for the past 5 years and when we got home this year, we decided to go for it. I got the plans from Mr. Pietenpol and just got a Corvair engine. We spent yesterday and today tearing it down. I'm really excited about getting started. I need to order Mr. Wynne's Corvair book. Here's a picture. -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309576#309576 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_154.jpg ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:12 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Bill, I used 1/4" fir strips from Lowes, my deck is 2" higher than plans and matched the forward cowls. A suggestion, don't do as I did and use 11 strips. I did so to smooth out the deck and Fireman Dan pointed out I added a lot of weight to the rear of my ship, good advice. I drilled lightening holes to help a little. See here http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg . Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width. Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little low. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bill N424BK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:59 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hi, I'm Tucker I have an idea this is one Pietenpol that WILL get finished.... http://www.tuckerrice.net/index.htm -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Church >Sent: Aug 20, 2010 4:55 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hi, I'm Tucker > > >Wow! 13 years old, and building yourself an airplane. Way to go! >When I was your age, I was only building flying models. >One good thing is that the Pietenpol is built just like a model airplane (just on a bigger scale). In fact, the bigger scale is actually easier to work with - except for those GIANT Tee-pins (just kidding). >You and your grandfather are in for a fun ride. >Welcome to the List! >Keep us updated with your progress, and ask any questions that you might come up with as you go. > >Bill C. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309579#309579 > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:50 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck That's a neat picture.... -----Original Message----- >From: Jack >Sent: Aug 20, 2010 6:54 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck > > >Bill, I used 1/4" fir strips from Lowes, my deck is 2" higher than plans and >matched the forward cowls. A suggestion, don't do as I did and use 11 >strips. I did so to smooth out the deck and Fireman Dan pointed out I added >a lot of weight to the rear of my ship, good advice. I drilled lightening >holes to help a little. See here http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg . >Jack >DSM > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran >Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:57 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck > > >Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the >answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant >seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width. > >Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the >back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little >low. > >Any thoughts? > >Thanks, > >Bill >N424BK > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569 > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hi, I'm Tucker From: "echobravo4" Welcome Tucker! This is a great group of people that are a great resource for information and support! Have fun and keep us posted on the progress! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309592#309592 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:26 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Hmm...maybe if you round the top of each stringer....say, in the shape of a bullet. That'd be the ticket... Ryan Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2010, at 6:54 PM, "Jack" wrote: > > Bill, I used 1/4" fir strips from Lowes, my deck is 2" higher than plans and > matched the forward cowls. A suggestion, don't do as I did and use 11 > strips. I did so to smooth out the deck and Fireman Dan pointed out I added > a lot of weight to the rear of my ship, good advice. I drilled lightening > holes to help a little. See here http://textors.com/IMG_1949_640x427.jpg . > Jack > DSM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:57 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck > > > Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the > answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant > seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width. > > Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the > back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little > low. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Bill > N424BK > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569 > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:04 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hi, I'm Tucker Good to have a young man starting his Pietenpol.- You are a very fortunat e person to be able to start your airplane at a young age.- The rest of u s only dreamed of building a real airplane when we were 13, most of us were still building models.- You will learn a lot while building. You will fi nd practical uses for all that math you learn in school, and be able to app ly it to something you like to do.- By the time you are half way done wit h your Pietenpol, You will be teaching your high school shop teacher how to do something (do they still have shop classes?).- If you need any help w ith the corvair, I will help you the best I can, if I do not know the answe r, I will tell you I don't know.- Like Ryan M. said, get William Wynne's manual, and study it.- Do your research, and decide for sure you like the corvair.- You can decide later in your build which engine to use.- Kee p on truck'n, Tucker, you'll be flying befor you know it! - Shad - -=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck From: Rick Holland Made my rear turtle deck 3" higher and both instrument boards 2" higher. As shown in the Bingelis books you don't want your shoulder harness attach point too low. rick On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:56 PM, bcolleran wrote: > > Ok folks I have been looking around the archives and have not found the > answer to my mystery yet. I am preparing to start my turtle deck and I cant > seem to find what dimensions of the wood is height and width. > > Secondly I want to put a head rest or even maybe go a little higher in the > back, I watched a friend today taxi out in his GN-1 and it looked a little > low. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Bill > N424BK > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309569#309569 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck From: "BYD" If you raise the turtle deck, you may have a greater need for the flop. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309600#309600 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Why not post replies in the original topic??? From: "BYD" Some users receive the digest once a day. In order to respond, they in essence send an email to the list and the subject line becomes the title to a new topic. If you're viewing the list online by actually visiting the website, then you can "reply" to the message within the topic. Two methods and two results. When responding to the digest it is not apparent that you are creating a new topic. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=309602#309602 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plnas came in !! From: "j_dunavin" Went over to my Dad's house and we looked over the plans and read over the book. I'm sooo excited that we have the plans now. 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