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1. 12:33 AM - Re: Cap strip length question (bubbleboy)
2. 03:13 AM - Re: Cap strip length question (Jack)
3. 03:42 AM - Re: Cap strip length question (JGriff)
4. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 (Ben Charvet)
5. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Looking for a piet (Skip Gadd)
6. 05:52 AM - Continental A65 to A75 (was GN-1) (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 06:00 AM - engine downthrust (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 06:02 AM - Maule tail wheel mounting (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 06:13 AM - Re: Looking for a piet (taildragger21)
10. 06:35 AM - Re: Maule tail wheel mounting (Kip and Beth Gardner)
11. 07:01 AM - off topic - blatant self promotion (Kip and Beth Gardner)
12. 07:47 AM - Re: Continental A65 to A75 (was GN-1) (Dan Yocum)
13. 07:49 AM - Re: off topic - blatant self promotion (Gary Boothe)
14. 08:34 AM - Re: Maule tail wheel mounting (Catdesigns)
15. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting (Kip and Beth Gardner)
16. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 (Roman Bukolt)
17. 10:04 AM - Re: off topic - blatant self promotion (shad bell)
18. 10:09 AM - Re: off topic - blatant self promotion (airlion)
19. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: Re: GN-1 (Jack)
20. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting (Jack)
21. 10:24 AM - Re: off topic - blatant self promotion (Kip and Beth Gardner)
22. 10:47 AM - O-235 purchase (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
23. 11:00 AM - Re: O-235 purchase (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
24. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting (Kip and Beth Gardner)
25. 11:35 AM - Re: O-235 purchase (Ben Charvet)
26. 12:37 PM - Re: O-235 purchase (shad bell)
27. 12:48 PM - Re: off topic - blatant self promotion (Dan P)
28. 01:10 PM - Re: O-235 purchase (Jim Boyer)
29. 02:14 PM - Re: O-235 purchase (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
30. 02:35 PM - Re: O-235 purchase (Jack Phillips)
31. 02:41 PM - Re: O-235 purchase (TOM STINEMETZE)
32. 03:06 PM - Re: O-235 purchase (tkreiner)
33. 03:51 PM - Re: O-235 purchase (Ryan Mueller)
34. 05:48 PM - Re: O-235 purchase (Jack Phillips)
35. 08:19 PM - Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 (ldmill)
36. 08:50 PM - Re: Re: GN-1 (Roman Bukolt)
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| Subject: | Re: Cap strip length question |
If you order 100 lengths at 6 foot each you wont be doing too bad.
Scotty
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| Subject: | Cap strip length question |
My top one measured 60 3/16".....
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JGriff
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cap strip length question
I'm going to place an order for 1/4 x 1/2 cap strips from ACS. Will ordering
them cut to 60" long leave me enough length for the rib top cap strips?
Seems like there won't be a lot of extra if I order them at that length.
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| Subject: | Re: Cap strip length question |
I'll order them 6 feet. Not sure how I got 60 inches in my head - must be the sixes!
:)
Thanks for the help.
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Probably when he said smaller prop he meant with less pitch. The
extra HP in an A-75 is mostly because it turns at 2600 rpm redline, and
this is done by using less pitch. I'm running a Sensenich 72X40 on my
A-65 and find that to be about perfect. Jack Phillips has the same prop
on his Piet. This prop in actually used on the J-3 as a climb prop.
Ben Charvet
>>
>> Now .. he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins(but not the
>> 75 pistons)drilled something(rod's), etc, etc... in the event that I
>> convert it to 75hp later. He thinks it's safe to run at higher rpm by
>> getting smaller prop as an "experimental" if I desire to do so, but
>> me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a 72x42pitch. Any thoughts
>> on that...best prop?... especially from GN-1(w/A65) folks? I would
>> really like a wood prop...
>>
>> Ler
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
According to the log book the engine is an A65-3, I think they came on some pre-war
Chief's. Ed and I stopped at New Philly on the way back from the Alliance
T-Craft fly in to look at this Piet(GN-1) for a friend. The plane has a good
general appearance, and paint job. It has steel tube tail feathers. The plane
has some issues. The biggest is since it is a Grega the back pit is smaller than
a Piet and this one has real thick foam in the seat back. Ed got in the pit
and it fit perfect, Ed is 5'3" and 135lbs. The Ailerons are warped and will need
at least recovering and maybe remade. One big red flag is the inside of the
fuse is painted black, so you can't get a good look at the wood or joints.
This plane does have potential, but you need to look at it real close and know
it needs some work.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Kip and Beth Gardner
Sent: 8/24/2010 2:49:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Looking for a piet
If that is clever field, it's a very old picture, the hangar has not looked like
that for at least 10 years, when I moved up here.
Maybe he managed to mount the engine upside down somehow? :)
Kip Gardner
On Aug 24, 2010, at 2:10 PM, shad bell wrote:
Is that harry clever field in New Philadelphia Ohio??? :)
Shad
For what it's worth, that's a GN-1 with a... a... what the heck engine
is that?!?? The exhaust ports are on top of the cylinders. Maybe it's
a GPU. Looks like the builder got tired and didn't bother to put the
wingtip bows on. But, he did a good job on the paint.
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| Subject: | Continental A65 to A75 (was GN-1) |
Ler wrote:
>Don's dream Machines' out in GA.. is overhauling an A65-8
I'll use this as a launching pad to address a previous email
about the GN-1 with a Continental that had up exhaust on it.
There were three variants of the A50 that had up exhaust: the
-1, -2, and -3. Not likely to see many of those around. Most
likely it was one of the A65 variants that had up exhaust: the
-1, -3, or -6. The -1 had single ignition... not likely to
see many of those. The -6 had a starter. If you find one,
keep it... they're worth their weight in platinum. Same with
the A65-9, down exhaust with starter. Rare. There were also
variants of the A75 and A80 with up exhaust, the -3 and -6,
but it's most likely that the airplane in the photo has an up
exhaust variant of the A65 on it.
>he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins
The Continental factory A75 actually has *smaller* diameter
piston pins than the A65... 0.859", compared to 0.920" for the A65.
>(but not the 75 pistons)
The A65 and A75 both have 3-ring pistons and are the same bore,
Unless it was a very early 4-ring A65 piston. The only differences
between the A65 and A75 pistons is the diameter of the wrist
pins and the fact that the A75 pistons have a waffle face on
the underside to provide better cooling.
>drilled something (rod's)
Yes, the rods on the A75 have 1/16" holes drilled in the connecting
rod caps for better lubrication.
>He thinks it's safe to run at higher rpm by getting smaller prop
>as an "experimental" if I desire to do so
Maybe so. The one other main thing that the A75 has that the A65
doesn't are stellite-faced valves and a larger carb venturi.
>me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a 72x42 pitch.
Probably the better approach but it sounds like your engine will
be most of the way converted to a 75 as an experimental.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | engine downthrust |
Another engine question. The Pietenpol drawing for the
Continental engine mount shows zero offset in the port-
starboard direction and a downthrust resulting from 9/16"
difference between upper and lower mount points. My
airplane has a rudder trim tab on it but still pulls
to one side so I'm thinking of tweaking the engine
thrustline to see if some of that will trim out
without doing more to the trimtab.
On the downthrust, the engine mount on 41CC was built
with only 1/8" difference between upper and lower
mount points but I can add downthrust by using washers
on the upper mounts.
What have you other Air Camper/Continental pilots
found with setting up your engine thrust-line?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Maule tail wheel mounting |
I have a Maule tail wheel, recently acquired piece and am really not
certain how the spring mounting is built and connected to the fuse. Anyone have
any fitting or mounting drawings or location information pics or advice
they are willing to offer so I can get it mounted properly?
I am slowly moving towards getting her up on her wheels and would like to
have that phase completed before moving into 2010 and 2011 Buildapalooza in
December.
Please advise
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a piet |
skip.. Thanks for the info! This makes me curious now.. I was about to drive 7
hours one way to look at this.. Pictures always make things look better I guess
:( :) .. Should I reconsider driving up??
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| Subject: | Re: Maule tail wheel mounting |
I'd appreciate the same info for the same reason. Thanks!
KIp Gardner
On Aug 26, 2010, at 9:00 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> I have a Maule tail wheel, recently acquired piece and am really not
certain how the spring mounting is built and connected to the fuse.
Anyone have any fitting or mounting drawings or location information
pics or advice they are willing to offer so I can get it mounted
properly?
>
> I am slowly moving towards getting her up on her wheels and would like
to have that phase completed before moving into 2010 and 2011
Buildapalooza in December.
>
> Please advise
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
>
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| Subject: | ol-List:off topic - blatant self promotion |
Fellow Piet Listers
For those of you who are farmers, I'd like to announce that thanks to a
layoff, I've just started a new business, New Prosperity Agricultural
Consulting.
I specialize in high yield fruit & vegetable production, greenhouse &
high tunnel systems, organic certification assistance, soil improvement
strategies, produce marketing, and the growing system marketed by my
former employer (Filtrexx). I hope to have an independent rep agreement
with them by the 1st of the year as well.
Web site coming soon, in the meantime, if you are interested in learning
more, contact me off list at kipg1957@earthlink.net
Thanks!
Kip Gardner
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| Subject: | Re: Continental A65 to A75 (was GN-1) |
This is the 3rd or 4th message I've seen singing the praises of Don's
Dream Machines. The first one I read was a few weeks ago on the Flybaby
list. A gent over there bought a - now get this - a 97hp A-65. I can
hear the astonished gasp from here. Yes, it's an experimental engine at
this point. Yes, the owner had to sign a bunch of indemnity paperwork.
The upshot is that it's an A-65 case with an O-200 crank, a high torque
cam and it redlines at 2575.
Here's the email thread:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flybabylist/message/9713
With a 70-52 McCauley prop his rate of climb is 1000+ fpm on his
Flybaby. I reckon it would be similar in a Piet with no passenger.
Dan
On 08/26/2010 07:50 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Ler wrote:
>
>> Don's dream Machines' out in GA.. is overhauling an A65-8
>
> I'll use this as a launching pad to address a previous email
> about the GN-1 with a Continental that had up exhaust on it.
> There were three variants of the A50 that had up exhaust: the
> -1, -2, and -3. Not likely to see many of those around. Most
> likely it was one of the A65 variants that had up exhaust: the
> -1, -3, or -6. The -1 had single ignition... not likely to
> see many of those. The -6 had a starter. If you find one,
> keep it... they're worth their weight in platinum. Same with
> the A65-9, down exhaust with starter. Rare. There were also
> variants of the A75 and A80 with up exhaust, the -3 and -6,
> but it's most likely that the airplane in the photo has an up
> exhaust variant of the A65 on it.
>
>> he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins
>
> The Continental factory A75 actually has *smaller* diameter
> piston pins than the A65... 0.859", compared to 0.920" for the A65.
>
>> (but not the 75 pistons)
>
> The A65 and A75 both have 3-ring pistons and are the same bore,
> Unless it was a very early 4-ring A65 piston. The only differences
> between the A65 and A75 pistons is the diameter of the wrist
> pins and the fact that the A75 pistons have a waffle face on
> the underside to provide better cooling.
>
>> drilled something (rod's)
>
> Yes, the rods on the A75 have 1/16" holes drilled in the connecting
> rod caps for better lubrication.
>
>> He thinks it's safe to run at higher rpm by getting smaller prop
>> as an "experimental" if I desire to do so
>
> Maybe so. The one other main thing that the A75 has that the A65
> doesn't are stellite-faced valves and a larger carb venturi.
>
>> me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a 72x42 pitch.
>
> Probably the better approach but it sounds like your engine will
> be most of the way converted to a 75 as an experimental.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | tenpol-List:off topic - blatant self promotion |
If this helps you build your Piet quicker, it must be Piet related! Best of
luck!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth
Gardner
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List:off topic - blatant self promotion
Fellow Piet Listers
For those of you who are farmers, I'd like to announce that thanks to a
layoff, I've just started a new business, New Prosperity Agricultural
Consulting.
I specialize in high yield fruit & vegetable production, greenhouse & high
tunnel systems, organic certification assistance, soil improvement
strategies, produce marketing, and the growing system marketed by my former
employer (Filtrexx). I hope to have an independent rep agreement with them
by the 1st of the year as well.
Web site coming soon, in the meantime, if you are interested in learning
more, contact me off list at kipg1957@earthlink.net
Thanks!
Kip Gardner
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| Subject: | Re: Maule tail wheel mounting |
I think this is the standard way to do it. (Mike Cuy's method)
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/tailspring2.jpg
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Maule tail wheel mounting |
Thanks Chris.
Looks like you may be having server issues (or maybe I am?!?) - message came thru
5 times.
Kip Gardner
On Aug 26, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Catdesigns wrote:
>
> I think this is the standard way to do it. (Mike Cuy's method)
>
> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/tailspring2.jpg
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310197#310197
>
>
>
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>
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I'm running a Ed Sterba 72x42 on my A-65 and am getting great
performance. 3min. /1000 ft @ 3200rpm and cruise at 80mph at 2000rpm.
FYI- Roman Bukolt NX20795
On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:29 AM, Ben Charvet wrote:
> >
>
> Probably when he said smaller prop he meant with less pitch. The
> extra HP in an A-75 is mostly because it turns at 2600 rpm redline,
> and this is done by using less pitch. I'm running a Sensenich 72X40
> on my A-65 and find that to be about perfect. Jack Phillips has the
> same prop on his Piet. This prop in actually used on the J-3 as a
> climb prop.
>
> Ben Charvet
>>>
>>> Now .. he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins(but not
>>> the 75 pistons)drilled something(rod's), etc, etc... in the event
>>> that I convert it to 75hp later. He thinks it's safe to run at
>>> higher rpm by getting smaller prop as an "experimental" if I
>>> desire to do so, but me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a
>>> 72x42pitch. Any thoughts on that...best prop?... especially from
>>> GN-1(w/A65) folks? I would really like a wood prop...
>>>
>>> Ler
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | tenpol-List:off topic - blatant self promotion |
Come on Kip, you yelled at us for making political statements!- JUST KIDD
ING YA KIP!- Good luck in your new buisness, now get that piet done!
-
Shad
--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:off topic - blatant self promotion
If this helps you build your Piet quicker, it must be Piet related! Best of
luck!!
-
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List:off topic - blatant self promotion
-
Fellow Piet Listers
-
For -those of you who are farmers, I'd like to announce that-thanks to
a layoff, -I've just started a new business,-New Prosperity Agricultura
l Consulting.
-
I specialize in high yield fruit & vegetable production, greenhouse & high
tunnel systems, organic certification assistance, soil improvement strategi
es, produce marketing, and the growing system marketed by my former employe
r (Filtrexx). -I hope to have an independent rep agreement with them by t
he 1st of the year as well.
-
Web site coming soon, in the meantime, if you are interested in learning mo
re, contact me off list at kipg1957@earthlink.net
-
Thanks!
-
Kip Gardner
-
- - -http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.m
atronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution -
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List:off topic - blatant self promotion |
Hey,How about growing some bamboo for all the wood that goes into a Piet.
Cheers, Gardiner
________________________________
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 10:14:27 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:off topic - blatant self promotion
If this helps you build your Piet quicker, it must be Piet related! Best of
luck!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth
Gardner
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List:off topic - blatant self promotion
Fellow Piet Listers
For those of you who are farmers, I'd like to announce that thanks to a layoff,
I've just started a new business, New Prosperity Agricultural Consulting.
I specialize in high yield fruit & vegetable production, greenhouse & high
tunnel systems, organic certification assistance, soil improvement strategies,
produce marketing, and the growing system marketed by my former employer
(Filtrexx). I hope to have an independent rep agreement with them by the 1st of
the year as well.
Web site coming soon, in the meantime, if you are interested in learning more,
contact me off list at kipg1957@earthlink.net
Thanks!
Kip Gardner
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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3200 Roman? Isn't that high?
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman Bukolt
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
I'm running a Ed Sterba 72x42 on my A-65 and am getting great
performance. 3min. /1000 ft @ 3200rpm and cruise at 80mph at 2000rpm.
FYI- Roman Bukolt NX20795
On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:29 AM, Ben Charvet wrote:
> >
>
> Probably when he said smaller prop he meant with less pitch. The
> extra HP in an A-75 is mostly because it turns at 2600 rpm redline,
> and this is done by using less pitch. I'm running a Sensenich 72X40
> on my A-65 and find that to be about perfect. Jack Phillips has the
> same prop on his Piet. This prop in actually used on the J-3 as a
> climb prop.
>
> Ben Charvet
>>>
>>> Now .. he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins(but not
>>> the 75 pistons)drilled something(rod's), etc, etc... in the event
>>> that I convert it to 75hp later. He thinks it's safe to run at
>>> higher rpm by getting smaller prop as an "experimental" if I
>>> desire to do so, but me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a
>>> 72x42pitch. Any thoughts on that...best prop?... especially from
>>> GN-1(w/A65) folks? I would really like a wood prop...
>>>
>>> Ler
>>>
>>>
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Not for me Kip...
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth
Gardner
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Thanks Chris.
Looks like you may be having server issues (or maybe I am?!?) - message came
thru 5 times.
Kip Gardner
On Aug 26, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Catdesigns wrote:
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> I think this is the standard way to do it. (Mike Cuy's method)
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> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
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Hey Shad,
Politics is politics, bidness is bidness :).
Anyway, thanks everyone for the encouraging words - we'll see how it
goes. The reason I decided to take the leap is when I got laid off, the
phone started ringing with people asking for advice, help, etc. that
they weren't getting from my former employer, so I figured I must have
been doing something right.
Kip
On Aug 26, 2010, at 12:55 PM, shad bell wrote:
> Come on Kip, you yelled at us for making political statements! JUST
KIDDING YA KIP! Good luck in your new buisness, now get that piet done!
>
> Shad
>
> --- On Thu, 8/26/10, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:off topic - blatant self promotion
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 10:14 AM
>
> If this helps you build your Piet quicker, it must be Piet related!
Best of luck!!
>
>
> Gary Boothe
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> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
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> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
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> 20 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and
Beth Gardner
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:01 AM
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> Fellow Piet Listers
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> For those of you who are farmers, I'd like to announce that thanks to
a layoff, I've just started a new business, New Prosperity Agricultural
Consulting.
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> I specialize in high yield fruit & vegetable production, greenhouse &
high tunnel systems, organic certification assistance, soil improvement
strategies, produce marketing, and the growing system marketed by my
former employer (Filtrexx). I hope to have an independent rep agreement
with them by the 1st of the year as well.
>
>
> Web site coming soon, in the meantime, if you are interested in
learning more, contact me off list at kipg1957@earthlink.net
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> Thanks!
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Group,
I have been thinking my power plant choices for the Piet and have the
opportunity to purchase a mid-time O-235, and wanted to get the advice
of others be for I jump or pull out the wallet. A hangar neighbor is
going with a larger engine on his plane and said he would sell me his
O-235 with 1200hrs SMOH, he said it's a 2000 hr engine so I'd have
roughly 800 hrs left. He is asking $3500 OBO, but isn't going to
include the starter or the current mags but he has another set of mags
he would sell with it. I figured I'd off $2500 and see if he bites, and
purchase a new starter and new mags. Any thoughts????
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
I wish I had something to offer as far as advice, I am still building my
0235 C1B so not much help I can give but the price isn't bad and the offer
sounds even better.
Best of luck in negotiating a good deal.
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John
In a message dated 8/26/2010 1:49:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com writes:
Group,
I have been thinking my power plant choices for the Piet and have the
opportunity to purchase a mid-time O-235, and wanted to get the advice of
others be for I jump or pull out the wallet. A hangar neighbor is going
with
a larger engine on his plane and said he would sell me his O-235 with
1200hrs SMOH, he said it=99s a 2000 hr engine so I=99d have ro
ughly 800 hrs left.
He is asking $3500 OBO, but isn=99t going to include the starter or
the
current mags but he has another set of mags he would sell with it. I fig
ured I=99
d off $2500 and see if he bites, and purchase a new starter and new mags.
Any thoughts????
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: Maule tail wheel mounting |
Must be my provider, then, I've just gotten my 5th repeat of your message. Earthlink
has been kind of funky for the last week or so, not sure why.
Do Not Archive
Kip Gardner
On Aug 26, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> Not for me Kip...
> Jack
> DSM
> Do not archive
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth
> Gardner
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:14 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting
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> <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> Thanks Chris.
>
> Looks like you may be having server issues (or maybe I am?!?) - message came
> thru 5 times.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Catdesigns wrote:
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>> I think this is the standard way to do it. (Mike Cuy's method)
>>
>>
> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/tailspring2.jpg
>>
>> --------
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, CA
>> WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
Total time can be misleading, so check the logs and make sure the
engine hasn't spent long periods sitting idle (corrosion can do more
damage than running). The asking price sounds great. Get a compression
check, see what the oil pressure runs, etc. TBO is only a guideline and
actual condition is the key. Watch Barnstormers to see what other
similar engines are going for. If his price is fair, don't insult him
with an offer that is too low, cause you may need the goodwill later on :-)
Ben
Ben
On 8/26/2010 1:46 PM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote:
>
> Group,
>
> I have been thinking my power plant choices for the Piet and have the
> opportunity to purchase a mid-time O-235, and wanted to get the advice
> of others be for I jump or pull out the wallet. A hangar neighbor is
> going with a larger engine on his plane and said he would sell me his
> O-235 with 1200hrs SMOH, he said it's a 2000 hr engine so I'd have
> roughly 800 hrs left. He is asking $3500 OBO, but isn't going to
> include the starter or the current mags but he has another set of mags
> he would sell with it. I figured I'd off $2500 and see if he bites,
> and purchase a new starter and new mags. Any thoughts????
>
> Brian
>
> SLC-UT
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
It must be off a colt I am guessing, or another 2 place piper.- You proba
bly would want other mags any way, the C-1B was a shower of sparks mag, whi
ch needs an electrical system for the Starter Vibrator Transformer, which i
s for retarding the timing for starts.- A few mods are necesary for using
other mags (I think)- I believe you need longer studs in the accesory dr
ive if you put on an impulse coupling, not sure about the mag drive gear th
ough.- I also have a C1B I am putting on my Jungster.- $3500 sounds lik
e a steal if it is a good running engine.- One drawback to the 0-235 is t
hat I am told they are the most expensive- 4 cyl engine to overhaul, even
an 0-320 is 10-20% cheaper to O/H from the engine gurus I have talked with
.- Check the compressions if you can and the oil screen and oil for conta
mination if it is not drained yet.- Ring kits are about $800 per cylinder
the last time I checked, but I might be mistaken on that as well.- Good
luck and happy hunting.
-
Shad
Fly'n the Corvizzle since two thousand and sizzle=0A=0A=0A
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Good luck in your venture. Looking at the crops from the air in a Piet-----
Sweet!!!
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Dan Plett
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
Hi Shad,
At the prices you are quoting you can fly the Corvair and build up a couple
of spares. The cost of the ring set almost pays for a 5th bearing to remov
e the last doubt most people have.
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:34:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
It must be off a colt I am guessing, or another 2 place piper.=C2- You pr
obably would want other mags any way, the C-1B was a shower of sparks mag,
which needs an electrical system for the Starter Vibrator Transformer, whic
h is for retarding the timing for starts.=C2- A few mods are necesary for
using other mags (I think)=C2- I believe you need longer studs in the ac
cesory drive if you put on an impulse coupling, not sure about the mag driv
e gear though.=C2- I also have a C1B I am putting on my Jungster.=C2- $
3500 sounds like a steal if it is a good running engine.=C2- One drawback
to the 0-235 is that I am told they are the most expensive=C2- 4 cyl eng
ine to overhaul, even an 0-320 is 10-20% cheaper to O/H from the engine gur
us I have talked with.=C2- Check the compressions if you can and the oil
screen and oil for contamination if it is not drained yet.=C2- Ring kits
are about $800 per cylinder the last time I checked, but I might be mistake
n on that as well.=C2- Good luck and happy hunting.
Shad
Fly'n the Corvizzle since two thousand and sizzle
==
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Shad,
Thanks for the reply...Yes it's off a PA-16 and it's an 0-235 C1, TT
3248 and 1275 SMOH. The A&P in the hangar next to mine say it is more
expensive to overhaul the 0-235, but in my mind how many years will it
take to burn up 800 hours flying a Piet? If the guy would sell it I
would buy it for $2500, but for $3500, I just might want my shiny 0 hr
Corvair. I have 2 complete Corvair engines with all the right numbers
and I am into them for $150.00.
Brian
SLC -UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
It must be off a colt I am guessing, or another 2 place piper. You
probably would want other mags any way, the C-1B was a shower of sparks
mag, which needs an electrical system for the Starter Vibrator
Transformer, which is for retarding the timing for starts. A few mods
are necesary for using other mags (I think) I believe you need longer
studs in the accesory drive if you put on an impulse coupling, not sure
about the mag drive gear though. I also have a C1B I am putting on my
Jungster. $3500 sounds like a steal if it is a good running engine.
One drawback to the 0-235 is that I am told they are the most expensive
4 cyl engine to overhaul, even an 0-320 is 10-20% cheaper to O/H from
the engine gurus I have talked with. Check the compressions if you can
and the oil screen and oil for contamination if it is not drained yet.
Ring kits are about $800 per cylinder the last time I checked, but I
might be mistaken on that as well. Good luck and happy hunting.
Shad
Fly'n the Corvizzle since two thousand and sizzle
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If you pay $3500 for the Lycoming, you can expect to put maybe another $2000
in it for such things as magnetos, piston rings, spark plugs, etc. for a
grand total of $5500, for a certified aircraft engine with known
reliability. I seriously doubt you can convert your $150 worth of Corvair
stuff into a reasonably reliable engine (depending on terrain) for less than
$6,000. Bear in mind also that if you put a certificated prop on your
Lycoming you are looking at only 25 hours of phase 1 testing, whereas no
matter what kind of prop you put on the Corvair, you are stuck with 40 hours
of phase 1 testing. That's an awful long time to bore holes in the sky
without being able to take passengers or go anywhere.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
Shad,
Thanks for the reply.Yes it's off a PA-16 and it's an 0-235 C1, TT 3248 and
1275 SMOH. The A&P in the hangar next to mine say it is more expensive to
overhaul the 0-235, but in my mind how many years will it take to burn up
800 hours flying a Piet? If the guy would sell it I would buy it for $2500,
but for $3500, I just might want my shiny 0 hr Corvair. I have 2 complete
Corvair engines with all the right numbers and I am into them for $150.00.
Brian
SLC -UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
It must be off a colt I am guessing, or another 2 place piper. You probably
would want other mags any way, the C-1B was a shower of sparks mag, which
needs an electrical system for the Starter Vibrator Transformer, which is
for retarding the timing for starts. A few mods are necesary for using
other mags (I think) I believe you need longer studs in the accesory drive
if you put on an impulse coupling, not sure about the mag drive gear though.
I also have a C1B I am putting on my Jungster. $3500 sounds like a steal if
it is a good running engine. One drawback to the 0-235 is that I am told
they are the most expensive 4 cyl engine to overhaul, even an 0-320 is
10-20% cheaper to O/H from the engine gurus I have talked with. Check the
compressions if you can and the oil screen and oil for contamination if it
is not drained yet. Ring kits are about $800 per cylinder the last time I
checked, but I might be mistaken on that as well. Good luck and happy
hunting.
Shad
Fly'n the Corvizzle since two thousand and sizzle
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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>>> <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> 8/26/2010 4:13 PM >>>
Shad,
Thanks for the replyYes its off a PA-16 and its an 0-235 C1, TT 3248
and 1275 SMOH. The A&P in the hangar next to mine say it is more
expensive to overhaul the 0-235, but in my mind how many years will it
take to burn up 800 hours flying a Piet? If the guy would sell it I
would buy it for $2500, but for $3500, I just might want my shiny 0 hr
Corvair. I have 2 complete Corvair engines with all the right numbers
and I am into them for $150.00.
Brian
SLC -UT
Brian:Go into this with your eyes wide open as completing your Corvair
might cost you more than you had initially planned. Totally depending
on how far you want to go with the project. I put together the attached
list of parts that I planned to purchase from William Wynne and this
does not include the 5th bearing that many of us are opting for. I
chose to purchase a nearly ready-to- assemble project from Ryan Mueller
which did have all the extras I wanted and the cost was $6,000. You
don't have to go that far or that expensive but the options are there.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
(very close to up on the gear)
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
Four years ago, we had a kit of consisting of two new Slick Mags, along with a
complete wiring harness for around $1400. installed, and that was a very good
price.
Prior to purchasing any engine, you might want to put together a comprehensive
spreadsheet of costs, and get buy in from all of the suppliers involved.
Just my .02 worth.
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
Jack,
Are you talking just a top overhaul and mags? I would think $2k for a
top-to-bottom, everything new or reconditioned overhaul on an O-235 is goin
g
to be waaaaay more than that. ...
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrot
e:
> If you pay $3500 for the Lycoming, you can expect to put maybe another
> $2000 in it for such things as magnetos, piston rings, spark plugs, etc.
for
> a grand total of $5500, for a certified aircraft engine with known
> reliability. I seriously doubt you can convert your $150 worth of Corvai
r
> stuff into a reasonably reliable engine (depending on terrain) for less t
han
> $6,000. Bear in mind also that if you put a certificated prop on your
> Lycoming you are looking at only 25 hours of phase 1 testing, whereas no
> matter what kind of prop you put on the Corvair, you are stuck with 40 ho
urs
> of phase 1 testing. That=92s an awful long time to bore holes in the sky
> without being able to take passengers or go anywhere.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *
> brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:13 PM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
>
>
> Shad,
>
> Thanks for the reply=85Yes it=92s off a PA-16 and it=92s an 0-235 C1, TT
3248 and
> 1275 SMOH. The A&P in the hangar next to mine say it is more expensive t
o
> overhaul the 0-235, but in my mind how many years will it take to burn up
> 800 hours flying a Piet? If the guy would sell it I would buy it for $25
00,
> but for $3500, I just might want my shiny 0 hr Corvair. I have 2 complet
e
> Corvair engines with all the right numbers and I am into them for $150.00
.
>
>
> Brian
>
> SLC -UT
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *shad bell
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:34 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
>
>
> It must be off a colt I am guessing, or another 2 place piper. You
> probably would want other mags any way, the C-1B was a shower of sparks m
ag,
> which needs an electrical system for the Starter Vibrator Transformer, wh
ich
> is for retarding the timing for starts. A few mods are necesary for usin
g
> other mags (I think) I believe you need longer studs in the accesory dri
ve
> if you put on an impulse coupling, not sure about the mag drive gear
> though. I also have a C1B I am putting on my Jungster. $3500 sounds lik
e a
> steal if it is a good running engine. One drawback to the 0-235 is that
I
> am told they are the most expensive 4 cyl engine to overhaul, even an 0-
320
> is 10-20% cheaper to O/H from the engine gurus I have talked with. Check
> the compressions if you can and the oil screen and oil for contamination
if
> it is not drained yet. Ring kits are about $800 per cylinder the last ti
me
> I checked, but I might be mistaken on that as well. Good luck and happy
> hunting.
>
>
> Shad
>
> Fly'n the Corvizzle since two thousand and sizzle
>
>
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Not even a top overhaul. Just new mags will be close to $1000, and then
whatever else needs to be done will be another grand.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
Jack,
Are you talking just a top overhaul and mags? I would think $2k for a
top-to-bottom, everything new or reconditioned overhaul on an O-235 is going
to be waaaaay more than that. ...
Ryan
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
If you pay $3500 for the Lycoming, you can expect to put maybe another $2000
in it for such things as magnetos, piston rings, spark plugs, etc. for a
grand total of $5500, for a certified aircraft engine with known
reliability. I seriously doubt you can convert your $150 worth of Corvair
stuff into a reasonably reliable engine (depending on terrain) for less than
$6,000. Bear in mind also that if you put a certificated prop on your
Lycoming you are looking at only 25 hours of phase 1 testing, whereas no
matter what kind of prop you put on the Corvair, you are stuck with 40 hours
of phase 1 testing. That's an awful long time to bore holes in the sky
without being able to take passengers or go anywhere.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
Shad,
Thanks for the reply.Yes it's off a PA-16 and it's an 0-235 C1, TT 3248 and
1275 SMOH. The A&P in the hangar next to mine say it is more expensive to
overhaul the 0-235, but in my mind how many years will it take to burn up
800 hours flying a Piet? If the guy would sell it I would buy it for $2500,
but for $3500, I just might want my shiny 0 hr Corvair. I have 2 complete
Corvair engines with all the right numbers and I am into them for $150.00.
Brian
SLC -UT
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-235 purchase
It must be off a colt I am guessing, or another 2 place piper. You probably
would want other mags any way, the C-1B was a shower of sparks mag, which
needs an electrical system for the Starter Vibrator Transformer, which is
for retarding the timing for starts. A few mods are necesary for using
other mags (I think) I believe you need longer studs in the accesory drive
if you put on an impulse coupling, not sure about the mag drive gear though.
I also have a C1B I am putting on my Jungster. $3500 sounds like a steal if
it is a good running engine. One drawback to the 0-235 is that I am told
they are the most expensive 4 cyl engine to overhaul, even an 0-320 is
10-20% cheaper to O/H from the engine gurus I have talked with. Check the
compressions if you can and the oil screen and oil for contamination if it
is not drained yet. Ring kits are about $800 per cylinder the last time I
checked, but I might be mistaken on that as well. Good luck and happy
hunting.
Shad
Fly'n the Corvizzle since two thousand and sizzle
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| Subject: | Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 |
Well - the wife and youngest went up for their first flights tonight with me in
the GN-1. They both had blast! It was her first experience in a low and slow
open cockpit plane (rest of the time has been in a C-172 with me). We had to
come down after 20 minutes and she was sorely disappointed.
The 9 year old looked like "Kilroy was here" with his big goggles and headset peering
over the side of the fuselage the whole flight. He wanted to go back up
after we landed. It was the first flight he's ever been on that he didn't puke.....
thank God...
I have two more converts in the house!
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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OOPS!
Someday I'm going to read what I write before hitting the "send" button.
Yeah! I meant 2300 rpm.
On Aug 26, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> 3200 Roman? Isn't that high?
> Jack
> DSM
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Roman Bukolt
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:49 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
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> I'm running a Ed Sterba 72x42 on my A-65 and am getting great
> performance. 3min. /1000 ft @ 3200rpm and cruise at 80mph at
> 2000rpm.
> FYI- Roman Bukolt NX20795
> On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:29 AM, Ben Charvet wrote:
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>> Probably when he said smaller prop he meant with less pitch. The
>> extra HP in an A-75 is mostly because it turns at 2600 rpm redline,
>> and this is done by using less pitch. I'm running a Sensenich 72X40
>> on my A-65 and find that to be about perfect. Jack Phillips has the
>> same prop on his Piet. This prop in actually used on the J-3 as a
>> climb prop.
>>
>> Ben Charvet
>>>>
>>>> Now .. he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins(but not
>>>> the 75 pistons)drilled something(rod's), etc, etc... in the event
>>>> that I convert it to 75hp later. He thinks it's safe to run at
>>>> higher rpm by getting smaller prop as an "experimental" if I
>>>> desire to do so, but me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a
>>>> 72x42pitch. Any thoughts on that...best prop?... especially from
>>>> GN-1(w/A65) folks? I would really like a wood prop...
>>>>
>>>> Ler
>>>>
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