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1. 03:32 AM - Re: Re: Re: GN-1 (Jack)
2. 05:13 AM - Plans Question (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: Plans Question (Gene Rambo)
4. 05:39 AM - Re: Plans Question (Gary Boothe)
5. 05:53 AM - Re: Plans Question (jeff wilson)
6. 06:01 AM - The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
7. 06:04 AM - Re: Plans Question (Ryan Mueller)
8. 06:10 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN (Jim Markle)
9. 06:23 AM - Best Buy and ACS (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
10. 06:34 AM - Re: Plans Question (Gene Rambo)
11. 06:43 AM - Re: Plans Question (Ryan Mueller)
12. 07:18 AM - Re: Maule tail wheel mounting (echobravo4)
13. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting (Jim Markle)
14. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
15. 07:52 AM - Re: Plans Question (Gene Rambo)
16. 07:53 AM - Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 (Jeff Boatright)
17. 08:02 AM - Re: Plans Question (Ryan Mueller)
18. 08:07 AM - Re: Plans Question (Michael Perez)
19. 10:02 AM - gear fitting mods (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
20. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Plans Question (Jack)
21. 10:09 AM - Re: Plans Question (Harvey Rule)
22. 10:18 AM - Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 (Bill Church)
23. 10:25 AM - Re: Best Buy and ACS (Bill Church)
24. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Best Buy and ACS (Ryan Mueller)
25. 12:38 PM - multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS (Tim Willis)
26. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 (Jeff Boatright)
27. 02:57 PM - Re: multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS (Skip Gadd)
28. 03:06 PM - Re: Plans Question (Michael Perez)
29. 03:24 PM - Re: multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS (Gary Boothe)
30. 03:33 PM - Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 (ldmill)
31. 04:23 PM - Flycorvair.com update, Brodhead mentions and some topical pics (Ryan Mueller)
32. 04:39 PM - engine run-up (skellytown flyer)
33. 04:51 PM - Re: engine run-up (Jim Markle)
34. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Best Buy and ACS (Rick Holland)
35. 06:05 PM - Re: engine run-up (Michael Groah)
36. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Best Buy and ACS (Ryan Mueller)
37. 07:14 PM - Re: engine run-up (skellytown flyer)
38. 08:18 PM - Re: engine run-up (Dan P)
39. 10:58 PM - Re: Plans Question (Chris)
40. 11:30 PM - Re: O-235 purchase (GliderMike)
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I certainly understand!
kcaJ
MSD
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman Bukolt
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
OOPS!
Someday I'm going to read what I write before hitting the "send" button.
Yeah! I meant 2300 rpm.
On Aug 26, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> 3200 Roman? Isn't that high?
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Roman Bukolt
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:49 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1
>
> >
>
> I'm running a Ed Sterba 72x42 on my A-65 and am getting great
> performance. 3min. /1000 ft @ 3200rpm and cruise at 80mph at
> 2000rpm.
> FYI- Roman Bukolt NX20795
> On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:29 AM, Ben Charvet wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Probably when he said smaller prop he meant with less pitch. The
>> extra HP in an A-75 is mostly because it turns at 2600 rpm redline,
>> and this is done by using less pitch. I'm running a Sensenich 72X40
>> on my A-65 and find that to be about perfect. Jack Phillips has the
>> same prop on his Piet. This prop in actually used on the J-3 as a
>> climb prop.
>>
>> Ben Charvet
>>>>
>>>> Now .. he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins(but not
>>>> the 75 pistons)drilled something(rod's), etc, etc... in the event
>>>> that I convert it to 75hp later. He thinks it's safe to run at
>>>> higher rpm by getting smaller prop as an "experimental" if I
>>>> desire to do so, but me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a
>>>> 72x42pitch. Any thoughts on that...best prop?... especially from
>>>> GN-1(w/A65) folks? I would really like a wood prop...
>>>>
>>>> Ler
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
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Members of the list:
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I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly
ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in th
e wood landing gear section.
-
Thanks for any assistance.
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KMH
Hawley, MN
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which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the fl
oor=2C for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one=2C li
ke most people have done=2C but then you have to modify the fittings. If y
ou mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear=2C the dimensions are in th
e F&G manual=2C something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in
front of me).
Gene
From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
Members of the list:
I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly
ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
Particularly=2C I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in
the wood landing gear section.
Thanks for any assistance.
KMH
Hawley=2C MN
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KM,
I don't have the wood gear page in front of me, but by recollection I don't
think that dimension is supplied. Even if it was, I may have ignored it.
The gear length probably changes for each plane, depending on what wheels
you choose (mine are 21") and what deck angle you want when complete (mine
is 13 deg). Tail wheel design will also affect deck angle.
In my case, I installed the tail wheel, propped the fuselage up on saw
horses and blocks until I got the deck angle, rolled the wheels in to place
(the dimension from the leading edge as I recall), then measured for the
legs.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
Members of the list:
I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the
Flying and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in the
wood landing gear section.
Thanks for any assistance.
KMH
Hawley, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
If you go to presscenter.com you will see it is offered as a supplemental s
et of plans.
I recommend getting that set and go to westcoast piet.com and search for th
e photographic illustration of how to make the wood gear.
-
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis
N899WT (r)
Fuse wings and tail feathers done. Working on wood gear. A-65 ready to moun
t.
-
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--- On Fri, 8/27/10, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
Members of the list:
-
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I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly
ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in th
e wood landing gear section.
-
Thanks for any assistance.
-
KMH
Hawley, MN
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| Subject: | The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN |
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/The+Great+Waldo+Pepper+-+Widescreen+Dolby+-+DVD
/18604073.p?skuId=18604073&id=47584
Thanks to an off-list e-mail from a good Piet builder in the Northwest name
d Jake I was given this great NEWS about TGWP DVD
becoming available in widescreen and at a decent price.
Just gather round folks, just gather round..........
Thanks Jake !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
Gene,
You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the
floor, nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through
his AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing
Gear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it
shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the
1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the
longeron, possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please....
Ryan
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the
> floor, for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one, like
> most people have done, but then you have to modify the fittings. If you
> mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear, the dimensions are in the F&G
> manual, something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in front of
> me).
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:08:56 -0700
> From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com
>
>
> Members of the list:
>
>
> I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
> and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the
> Flying and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
> Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in
> the wood landing gear section.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> KMH
> Hawley, MN
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN |
So now Aircraft Spruce AND Bestbuy are monitoring this list....
wow
-----Original Message-----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Sent: Aug 27, 2010 9:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/The+Great+Waldo+Pepper+-+Widescreen+Dolby+-+DVD/18604073.p?skuId=18604073&id=47584
Thanks to an off-list e-mail from a good Piet builder in the Northwest named Jake
I was given this great NEWS about TGWP DVD
becoming available in widescreen and at a decent price.
Just gather round folks, just gather round.
Thanks Jake !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Best Buy and ACS |
So now Aircraft Spruce AND Bestbuy are monitoring this list....
wow.
That's funny Jim ! Actually Best Buy is now carrying a full spruce kit for the
Pietenpol Air Camper
and Sky Scout:))
That should trigger a response from Jim Irwin's List Police at ACS.
Mike C.
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No=2C the plans are clear=2C with the wooden gear version from the F&G manu
al the cross pieces are merely 1" square spruce just like every other cross
member. There are no ash cross pieces on that version of the plans.
Gene
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
From: rmueller23@gmail.com
Gene=2C
You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the floo
r=2C nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through h
is AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing G
ear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it
shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the
1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the l
ongeron=2C possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please....
Ryan
On Fri=2C Aug 27=2C 2010 at 7:27 AM=2C Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote
:
which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the fl
oor=2C for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one=2C li
ke most people have done=2C but then you have to modify the fittings. If y
ou mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear=2C the dimensions are in th
e F&G manual=2C something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in
front of me).
Gene
From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
Members of the list:
I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly
ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
Particularly=2C I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in
the wood landing gear section.
Thanks for any assistance.
KMH
Hawley=2C MN
st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
Gene,
Then the piece that is inboard of the longeron in the drawing that I
attached, that has the bolt running vertically through it and the ply floor,
is just a 1" square cross piece? If so, why is it drawn smaller than the 1"
square longeron adjacent to it?
Ryan
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> No, the plans are clear, with the wooden gear version from the F&G manual
> the cross pieces are merely 1" square spruce just like every other cross
> member. There are no ash cross pieces on that version of the plans.
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:03:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> From: rmueller23@gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Gene,
>
> You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the
> floor, nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through
> his AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing
> Gear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it
> shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the
> 1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the
> longeron, possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please....
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
>
> which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the
> floor, for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one, like
> most people have done, but then you have to modify the fittings. If you
> mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear, the dimensions are in the F&G
> manual, something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in front of
> me).
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:08:56 -0700
> From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com
>
>
> Members of the list:
>
>
> I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
> and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the
> Flying and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
> Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in
> the wood landing gear section.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> KMH
> Hawley, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Maule tail wheel mounting |
Hey John, let me know if ya need a hand getting her on her feet!
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310270#310270
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| Subject: | Re: Maule tail wheel mounting |
I can't help but wonder how many times John has heard that....
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even ifya wanta
-----Original Message-----
>From: echobravo4 <eab4@comcast.net>
>Sent: Aug 27, 2010 10:18 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting
>
>
>Hey John, let me know if ya need a hand getting her on her feet!
>
>
>do not archive
>
>--------
>Earl Brown
>
>I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where
I intended to be.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310270#310270
>
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| Subject: | Re: Maule tail wheel mounting |
Will do, thanks for the offer, I know I a going to need some muscle once I
get the axle set and semi secured on the legs.
Thanks
John
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In a message dated 8/27/2010 10:18:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
eab4@comcast.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "echobravo4" <eab4@comcast.net>
Hey John, let me know if ya need a hand getting her on her feet!
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
where I intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
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you're right=2C and I saw that after I posted. I do not have the plans in
front of me=2C but I do know for sure that the cross piece is 1" square. I
cannot explain why the cross section looks like it does. Many people (inc
luding me) built the fuselage to the "improved plans" with ash cross pieces
before noticing that the wood gear version did not have them. The ash was
added for the "split-type" gear in the improved plans. All I did (and mos
t others) was modify the gear fittings (I did it per Pavliga drawings) to m
ake them work. I think the modified ones are stronger anyway.
I will say that the steel strap shown in the cross section you posted may b
e necessary (or at least a good idea) with a 1" square spruce cross piece
=2C but I cannot find a single reason to have it on the ash version and I a
m not installing one.
Gene
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
From: rmueller23@gmail.com
Gene=2C
Then the piece that is inboard of the longeron in the drawing that I attach
ed=2C that has the bolt running vertically through it and the ply floor=2C
is just a 1" square cross piece? If so=2C why is it drawn smaller than the
1" square longeron adjacent to it?
Ryan
On Fri=2C Aug 27=2C 2010 at 8:32 AM=2C Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote
:
No=2C the plans are clear=2C with the wooden gear version from the F&G manu
al the cross pieces are merely 1" square spruce just like every other cross
member. There are no ash cross pieces on that version of the plans.
Gene
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
From: rmueller23@gmail.com
Gene=2C
You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the floo
r=2C nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through h
is AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing G
ear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it
shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the
1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the l
ongeron=2C possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please....
Ryan
On Fri=2C Aug 27=2C 2010 at 7:27 AM=2C Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote
:
which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the fl
oor=2C for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one=2C li
ke most people have done=2C but then you have to modify the fittings. If y
ou mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear=2C the dimensions are in th
e F&G manual=2C something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in
front of me).
Gene
From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
Members of the list:
I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly
ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
Particularly=2C I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in
the wood landing gear section.
Thanks for any assistance.
KMH
Hawley=2C MN
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| Subject: | Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 |
That is fantastic! I'm envious. My wife gets queezy just looking at
the youtube Piet vids!
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>
>Well - the wife and youngest went up for their first flights tonight
>with me in the GN-1. They both had blast! It was her first
>experience in a low and slow open cockpit plane (rest of the time
>has been in a C-172 with me). We had to come down after 20 minutes
>and she was sorely disappointed.
>The 9 year old looked like "Kilroy was here" with his big goggles
>and headset peering over the side of the fuselage the whole flight.
>He wanted to go back up after we landed. It was the first flight
>he's ever been on that he didn't puke..... thank God...
>
>I have two more converts in the house!
>
>--------
>Lorin Miller
>Waiex N81YX
>GN-1 N30PP
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"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
Roger that. Wanted to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. :P
Thanks Gene!
Ryan
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> you're right, and I saw that after I posted. I do not have the plans in
> front of me, but I do know for sure that the cross piece is 1" square. I
> cannot explain why the cross section looks like it does. Many people
> (including me) built the fuselage to the "improved plans" with ash cross
> pieces before noticing that the wood gear version did not have them. The
> ash was added for the "split-type" gear in the improved plans. All I did
> (and most others) was modify the gear fittings (I did it per Pavliga
> drawings) to make them work. I think the modified ones are stronger
> anyway.
>
> I will say that the steel strap shown in the cross section you posted may
> be necessary (or at least a good idea) with a 1" square spruce cross
> piece, but I cannot find a single reason to have it on the ash version and I
> am not installing one.
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:43:32 -0500
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> From: rmueller23@gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Gene,
>
> Then the piece that is inboard of the longeron in the drawing that I
> attached, that has the bolt running vertically through it and the ply floor,
> is just a 1" square cross piece? If so, why is it drawn smaller than the 1"
> square longeron adjacent to it?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
>
> No, the plans are clear, with the wooden gear version from the F&G manual
> the cross pieces are merely 1" square spruce just like every other cross
> member. There are no ash cross pieces on that version of the plans.
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:03:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> From: rmueller23@gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Gene,
>
> You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the
> floor, nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through
> his AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing
> Gear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it
> shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the
> 1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the
> longeron, possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please....
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
>
> which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the
> floor, for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one, like
> most people have done, but then you have to modify the fittings. If you
> mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear, the dimensions are in the F&G
> manual, something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in front of
> me).
>
> Gene
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:08:56 -0700
> From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
> To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com
>
>
> Members of the list:
>
>
> I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear
> and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the
> Flying and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page?
> Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in
> the wood landing gear section.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> KMH
> Hawley, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
I have the wood landing gear print in my set of plans. It was not included
in my original set, I had to ask for it.
That wood piece you are asking about... I do not have the plans in front of
me, but on my plane, that piece is ash, about (from memory)- 2" X 3/4" a
nd runs from one side of the fuselage to the other. In the picture you can
see one in place for both forward and aft landing gear attach points. I THO
UGHT this was shown in the fuselage print? (I'll verify when I get home...i
f you still need to know by then.)
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | gear fitting mods |
I fabricated the modified wood gear fittings like Mike P. / Gene R. mentio
ned as suggested to me by Frank M. Pavilga because of how much sense
they made when Frank and his father (Frank M. Pavliga, deceased) who are/we
re both architects changed them a bit. I used both the ash crossmembers
and a thin 1" wide strip of 4130 from side to side under the belly just fo
r insurance but not having the engineering background I
I made some chicken-scratch diagrams trying to show how they go together an
d they are posted under my name in the Chris Tracy http://www.westcoastpiet
.com/pictures.htm
web site.
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| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
Jeez Michael why don't you clean up your shop floor!
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
I have the wood landing gear print in my set of plans. It was not included
in my original set, I had to ask for it.
That wood piece you are asking about... I do not have the plans in front of
me, but on my plane, that piece is ash, about (from memory) 2" X 3/4" and
runs from one side of the fuselage to the other. In the picture you can see
one in place for both forward and aft landing gear attach points. I THOUGHT
this was shown in the fuselage print? (I'll verify when I get home...if you
still need to know by then.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Holy smokes=2Cthat looks like the immaculate conception!!!
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From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
I have the wood landing gear print in my set of plans. It was not included
in my original set=2C I had to ask for it.
That wood piece you are asking about... I do not have the plans in front of
me=2C but on my plane=2C that piece is ash=2C about (from memory) 2" X 3/
4" and runs from one side of the fuselage to the other. In the picture you
can see one in place for both forward and aft landing gear attach points. I
THOUGHT this was shown in the fuselage print? (I'll verify when I get home
...if you still need to know by then.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 |
Jeff,
With the recent chatter about mis-spelling, I gotta wonder whether your spelling
in the subject line was part of your "plna".
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Best Buy and ACS |
And if you buy your Spruce kit from BestBuy, for an additional $400 you can get
an extended warranty and service plan.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Best Buy and ACS |
Watch out for the upsell to Monster control cables...not worth the $$$...
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> And if you buy your Spruce kit from BestBuy, for an additional $400 you can
> get an extended warranty and service plan.
>
> BC
>
> do not archive.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310299#310299
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| Subject: | multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS |
The last two days including the present, I am occassionally only getting one message
from board members, but often 2,3,4 or 6 copies of the same post.
Something is wrong with our server.
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 |
I didn't start the thread, though I do misspell all the time.
And just to be complete: I categorically deny (and she will, too)
that my wife went for first flight tongue in a GN-1. She's more of a
Mooney type. You know, a fast woman.
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And get to work just because it's a friday doesn't mean you can blow
it off aren't they still paying you to do something sheesh!
>
>Jeff,
>
>With the recent chatter about mis-spelling, I gotta wonder whether
>your spelling in the subject line was part of your "plna".
>
>BC
>
>do not archive
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310298#310298
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>
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, |
MATRONICS
Tim, so far the only ones who have said anything about multiple messages
have earthlink dot net addresses.
Skip at earthlink, sometimes getting more than 6 copies.
> [Original Message]
> From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
> To: matronics piet site <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/27/2010 3:56:37 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: multiple messages-- server fouled up?--
ATTENTION, MATRONICS
>
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> The last two days including the present, I am occassionally only getting
one message from board members, but often 2,3,4 or 6 copies of the same
post.
>
> Something is wrong with our server.
> Tim in central TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plans Question |
Just checked my plans and both ash pieces are shown on the fuselage page. Both
pieces are 3/4" X 2".
Yes, I really should keep the floor and shop a little cleaner.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
Www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, |
MATRONICS
I get two copies on my Blackberry, but only one on my laptop...when it comes to
computers, I stopped asking, "Why..." 15 years ago...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS
The last two days including the present, I am occassionally only getting one message
from board members, but often 2,3,4 or 6 copies of the same post.
Something is wrong with our server.
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 |
You know, I tried to go back and edit this message after I posted to correct the
misspell - but it didn't seem to fxi ti...
Lorin
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Flycorvair.com update, Brodhead mentions and some topical |
pics
http://flycorvair.com/hangar.html
William Wynne has added an update to his website, and there is a fair amount
there that is of interest to Pietenpolers (even if you don't like
Corvairs!).
Ryan
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Well I got my wings back off and rolled my GN-1 out in the sunshine today and got
it tied down and ran the Corvair D.J. built up. it sounds strong and smooth
so far -I got the timing what looks like close but in the bright sunshine it
is difficult to see the marks really well so I'm going to check it again about
dusk. but it sure seems to pull Strong so far.I didn't go full open for over
a few seconds but I believe it will pretty easily turn 2850 or more.and that should
drag this thing into the air pretty well.oil pressure seems to stay around
38 or so even pretty warmat idle. head temps never went over about 284 so
far. Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: engine run-up |
Congrats! That's great....
-----Original Message-----
>From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 27, 2010 6:38 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine run-up
>
>
>Well I got my wings back off and rolled my GN-1 out in the sunshine today and
got it tied down and ran the Corvair D.J. built up. it sounds strong and smooth
so far -I got the timing what looks like close but in the bright sunshine it
is difficult to see the marks really well so I'm going to check it again about
dusk. but it sure seems to pull Strong so far.I didn't go full open for over
a few seconds but I believe it will pretty easily turn 2850 or more.and that
should drag this thing into the air pretty well.oil pressure seems to stay around
38 or so even pretty warmat idle. head temps never went over about 284 so
far. Raymond
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310321#310321
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| Subject: | Re: Best Buy and ACS |
And you can call the Geek Squad to come out and fix your radios.
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> And if you buy your Spruce kit from BestBuy, for an additional $400 you can
> get an extended warranty and service plan.
>
> BC
>
> do not archive.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310299#310299
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: engine run-up |
Congratulations. That's great!!
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 27, 2010, at 4:38 PM, "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Well I got my wings back off and rolled my GN-1 out in the sunshine today and
got it tied down and ran the Corvair D.J. built up. it sounds strong and smooth
so far -I got the timing what looks like close but in the bright sunshine it
is difficult to see the marks really well so I'm going to check it again about
dusk. but it sure seems to pull Strong so far.I didn't go full open for over
a few seconds but I believe it will pretty easily turn 2850 or more.and that
should drag this thing into the air pretty well.oil pressure seems to stay around
38 or so even pretty warmat idle. head temps never went over about 284 so
far. Raymond
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310321#310321
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Best Buy and ACS |
Careful...they will copy and save all of your private frequencies...
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> And you can call the Geek Squad to come out and fix your radios.
>
> do not archive
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> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>wrote:
>
>> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>>
>> And if you buy your Spruce kit from BestBuy, for an additional $400 you
>> can get an extended warranty and service plan.
>>
>> BC
>>
>> do not archive.
>>
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: engine run-up |
Thanks- and after re-reading the post it should have said about 224 was the highest
CHT I saw. and I ran it again at Dusk when I could see the timing mark a
lot better and I had it dead on 32 degrees. a little cooler air temp and I didn't
make as many runs it never got over about 202 CHT. I will install the top
cowl now and may even put the big spinner back on- Wynn claims it adds a lot to
the cooling and air flow I think. I like the looks a lot better without it but
guess performance is something too. I'd kinda like to find a cheap deal on
one of the little skull cap type spinners. now if I could get the dad gummed Datcon
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| Subject: | Re: engine run-up |
That's great. One step closer!
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True Mike but look on the steel split axel gear page upper right drawing, it
clearly says the front ash cross piece is 2"x1" with the ends tapered to
3/4".
Fortunately either way works.
Now on the original fuselage (wood landing gear) there are no ash cross
braces. There are 1"x3/4" spruce cross braces. What orientation the 1"
dimension should be is debatable.
Welcome to the world of Pietenpol drawings.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question
--> <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Just checked my plans and both ash pieces are shown on the fuselage page.
Both pieces are 3/4" X 2".
Yes, I really should keep the floor and shop a little cleaner.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
Www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: O-235 purchase |
I'm not wanting to sound like a nay-sayer, but, for what its worth, if you use
a certificated engine in an experimental, and intend to keep it as a certificated
engine, all the components and accessories need to be PMA stuff, and all the
accessories such as mags and starters, have to be on the TCDS (type certificate
data sheet) for that engine for it to stay as a certificated engine. Also,
you will have to have an A&P who has an IA do the annual on the engine (and
prop, if you are shooting for the 25 hour test flight time), if you intend to
keep the engine and prop as a certificated set. The prop would also have to
be a model that was listed on the TCDS for the engine for everything to qualify
for the 25 hour flight test, instead of 40 hour. Any deviation from the TCDS
makes it experimental.
Disadvantages (some of the disadvantages) of a certificated engine and prop - probably
higher repair costs in parts, as they have to be PMA parts, and an A&P
would have to sign off on any minor repairs, and an A&P with an IA will have
to sign off on major repairs and on the annual on the powerplant. The builder
(if he gets a repairman certificate for the airplane, can still sign off the
yearly condition inspection on the airframe. (Type Certificated stuff gets annual
inspections, experimental stuff gets yearly condition inspections. Most
everyone on this list already knows this, but in case there are any who weren't
aware, I thought I'd throw that in.)
Advantages (some of the advantages) of a certificated engine and prop - generally
(no guarantees, but usually) higher likelihood of good reliability, and definitely
higher resale value if all the paperwork is kept up.
In my opinion, if you can afford it, the certificated engine is the way to go.
My two cents worth. There are others who will disagree, who have had excellent
success with their experimental engines, and probably just as many, if not
more, who will agree with the certificated engine idea.
Mike Glasgow
FAA A&P; FAA Repairman N777WG
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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