---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/27/10: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:32 AM - Re: Re: Re: GN-1 (Jack) 2. 05:13 AM - Plans Question (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 3. 05:38 AM - Re: Plans Question (Gene Rambo) 4. 05:39 AM - Re: Plans Question (Gary Boothe) 5. 05:53 AM - Re: Plans Question (jeff wilson) 6. 06:01 AM - The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 7. 06:04 AM - Re: Plans Question (Ryan Mueller) 8. 06:10 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN (Jim Markle) 9. 06:23 AM - Best Buy and ACS (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 10. 06:34 AM - Re: Plans Question (Gene Rambo) 11. 06:43 AM - Re: Plans Question (Ryan Mueller) 12. 07:18 AM - Re: Maule tail wheel mounting (echobravo4) 13. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting (Jim Markle) 14. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 15. 07:52 AM - Re: Plans Question (Gene Rambo) 16. 07:53 AM - Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 (Jeff Boatright) 17. 08:02 AM - Re: Plans Question (Ryan Mueller) 18. 08:07 AM - Re: Plans Question (Michael Perez) 19. 10:02 AM - gear fitting mods (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 20. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Plans Question (Jack) 21. 10:09 AM - Re: Plans Question (Harvey Rule) 22. 10:18 AM - Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 (Bill Church) 23. 10:25 AM - Re: Best Buy and ACS (Bill Church) 24. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Best Buy and ACS (Ryan Mueller) 25. 12:38 PM - multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS (Tim Willis) 26. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 (Jeff Boatright) 27. 02:57 PM - Re: multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS (Skip Gadd) 28. 03:06 PM - Re: Plans Question (Michael Perez) 29. 03:24 PM - Re: multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS (Gary Boothe) 30. 03:33 PM - Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 (ldmill) 31. 04:23 PM - Flycorvair.com update, Brodhead mentions and some topical pics (Ryan Mueller) 32. 04:39 PM - engine run-up (skellytown flyer) 33. 04:51 PM - Re: engine run-up (Jim Markle) 34. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Best Buy and ACS (Rick Holland) 35. 06:05 PM - Re: engine run-up (Michael Groah) 36. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Best Buy and ACS (Ryan Mueller) 37. 07:14 PM - Re: engine run-up (skellytown flyer) 38. 08:18 PM - Re: engine run-up (Dan P) 39. 10:58 PM - Re: Plans Question (Chris) 40. 11:30 PM - Re: O-235 purchase (GliderMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:25 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 I certainly understand! kcaJ MSD Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman Bukolt Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 OOPS! Someday I'm going to read what I write before hitting the "send" button. Yeah! I meant 2300 rpm. On Aug 26, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Jack wrote: > > 3200 Roman? Isn't that high? > Jack > DSM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Roman Bukolt > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:49 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 > > > > > I'm running a Ed Sterba 72x42 on my A-65 and am getting great > performance. 3min. /1000 ft @ 3200rpm and cruise at 80mph at > 2000rpm. > FYI- Roman Bukolt NX20795 > On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:29 AM, Ben Charvet wrote: > >>> >> >> Probably when he said smaller prop he meant with less pitch. The >> extra HP in an A-75 is mostly because it turns at 2600 rpm redline, >> and this is done by using less pitch. I'm running a Sensenich 72X40 >> on my A-65 and find that to be about perfect. Jack Phillips has the >> same prop on his Piet. This prop in actually used on the J-3 as a >> climb prop. >> >> Ben Charvet >>>> >>>> Now .. he did mention that he put the bigger piston pins(but not >>>> the 75 pistons)drilled something(rod's), etc, etc... in the event >>>> that I convert it to 75hp later. He thinks it's safe to run at >>>> higher rpm by getting smaller prop as an "experimental" if I >>>> desire to do so, but me thinks me wants to play it safe and get a >>>> 72x42pitch. Any thoughts on that...best prop?... especially from >>>> GN-1(w/A65) folks? I would really like a wood prop... >>>> >>>> Ler >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:31 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question Members of the list: - - I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page? Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in th e wood landing gear section. - Thanks for any assistance. - KMH Hawley, MN - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:16 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the fl oor=2C for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one=2C li ke most people have done=2C but then you have to modify the fittings. If y ou mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear=2C the dimensions are in th e F&G manual=2C something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in front of me). Gene From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question Members of the list: I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page? Particularly=2C I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in the wood landing gear section. Thanks for any assistance. KMH Hawley=2C MN ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:02 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question KM, I don't have the wood gear page in front of me, but by recollection I don't think that dimension is supplied. Even if it was, I may have ignored it. The gear length probably changes for each plane, depending on what wheels you choose (mine are 21") and what deck angle you want when complete (mine is 13 deg). Tail wheel design will also affect deck angle. In my case, I installed the tail wheel, propped the fuselage up on saw horses and blocks until I got the deck angle, rolled the wheels in to place (the dimension from the leading edge as I recall), then measured for the legs. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question Members of the list: I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Flying and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page? Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in the wood landing gear section. Thanks for any assistance. KMH Hawley, MN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:03 AM PST US From: jeff wilson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question If you go to presscenter.com you will see it is offered as a supplemental s et of plans. I recommend getting that set and go to westcoast piet.com and search for th e photographic illustration of how to make the wood gear. - Jeff Wilson St. Louis N899WT (r) Fuse wings and tail feathers done. Working on wood gear. A-65 ready to moun t. - Do not archive --- On Fri, 8/27/10, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question Members of the list: - - I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page? Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in th e wood landing gear section. - Thanks for any assistance. - KMH Hawley, MN - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:28 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN http://www.bestbuy.com/site/The+Great+Waldo+Pepper+-+Widescreen+Dolby+-+DVD /18604073.p?skuId=18604073&id=47584 Thanks to an off-list e-mail from a good Piet builder in the Northwest name d Jake I was given this great NEWS about TGWP DVD becoming available in widescreen and at a decent price. Just gather round folks, just gather round.......... Thanks Jake ! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question From: Ryan Mueller Gene, You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the floor, nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through his AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing Gear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the 1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the longeron, possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please.... Ryan On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the > floor, for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one, like > most people have done, but then you have to modify the fittings. If you > mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear, the dimensions are in the F&G > manual, something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in front of > me). > > Gene > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:08:56 -0700 > From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question > To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com > > > Members of the list: > > > I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear > and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the > Flying and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page? > Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in > the wood landing gear section. > > Thanks for any assistance. > > KMH > Hawley, MN > * > * > ** > > * > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:23 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN So now Aircraft Spruce AND Bestbuy are monitoring this list.... wow -----Original Message----- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Sent: Aug 27, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN http://www.bestbuy.com/site/The+Great+Waldo+Pepper+-+Widescreen+Dolby+-+DVD/18604073.p?skuId=18604073&id=47584 Thanks to an off-list e-mail from a good Piet builder in the Northwest named Jake I was given this great NEWS about TGWP DVD becoming available in widescreen and at a decent price. Just gather round folks, just gather round. Thanks Jake ! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:35 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Best Buy and ACS So now Aircraft Spruce AND Bestbuy are monitoring this list.... wow. That's funny Jim ! Actually Best Buy is now carrying a full spruce kit for the Pietenpol Air Camper and Sky Scout:)) That should trigger a response from Jim Irwin's List Police at ACS. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:06 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question No=2C the plans are clear=2C with the wooden gear version from the F&G manu al the cross pieces are merely 1" square spruce just like every other cross member. There are no ash cross pieces on that version of the plans. Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question From: rmueller23@gmail.com Gene=2C You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the floo r=2C nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through h is AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing G ear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the 1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the l ongeron=2C possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please.... Ryan On Fri=2C Aug 27=2C 2010 at 7:27 AM=2C Gene Rambo wrote : which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the fl oor=2C for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one=2C li ke most people have done=2C but then you have to modify the fittings. If y ou mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear=2C the dimensions are in th e F&G manual=2C something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in front of me). Gene From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question Members of the list: I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page? Particularly=2C I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in the wood landing gear section. Thanks for any assistance. KMH Hawley=2C MN st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question From: Ryan Mueller Gene, Then the piece that is inboard of the longeron in the drawing that I attached, that has the bolt running vertically through it and the ply floor, is just a 1" square cross piece? If so, why is it drawn smaller than the 1" square longeron adjacent to it? Ryan On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > No, the plans are clear, with the wooden gear version from the F&G manual > the cross pieces are merely 1" square spruce just like every other cross > member. There are no ash cross pieces on that version of the plans. > > Gene > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:03:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question > From: rmueller23@gmail.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Gene, > > You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the > floor, nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through > his AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing > Gear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it > shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the > 1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the > longeron, possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please.... > > Ryan > > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > > which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the > floor, for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one, like > most people have done, but then you have to modify the fittings. If you > mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear, the dimensions are in the F&G > manual, something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in front of > me). > > Gene > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:08:56 -0700 > From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question > To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com > > > Members of the list: > > > I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear > and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the > Flying and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page? > Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in > the wood landing gear section. > > Thanks for any assistance. > > KMH > Hawley, MN > * > * > ** > > * > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting From: "echobravo4" Hey John, let me know if ya need a hand getting her on her feet! do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310270#310270 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:20 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting I can't help but wonder how many times John has heard that.... do not archive even ifya wanta -----Original Message----- >From: echobravo4 >Sent: Aug 27, 2010 10:18 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting > > >Hey John, let me know if ya need a hand getting her on her feet! > > >do not archive > >-------- >Earl Brown > >I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310270#310270 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:16 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Maule tail wheel mounting Will do, thanks for the offer, I know I a going to need some muscle once I get the axle set and semi secured on the legs. Thanks John do not archive In a message dated 8/27/2010 10:18:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eab4@comcast.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "echobravo4" Hey John, let me know if ya need a hand getting her on her feet! do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310270#310270 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:25 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question you're right=2C and I saw that after I posted. I do not have the plans in front of me=2C but I do know for sure that the cross piece is 1" square. I cannot explain why the cross section looks like it does. Many people (inc luding me) built the fuselage to the "improved plans" with ash cross pieces before noticing that the wood gear version did not have them. The ash was added for the "split-type" gear in the improved plans. All I did (and mos t others) was modify the gear fittings (I did it per Pavliga drawings) to m ake them work. I think the modified ones are stronger anyway. I will say that the steel strap shown in the cross section you posted may b e necessary (or at least a good idea) with a 1" square spruce cross piece =2C but I cannot find a single reason to have it on the ash version and I a m not installing one. Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question From: rmueller23@gmail.com Gene=2C Then the piece that is inboard of the longeron in the drawing that I attach ed=2C that has the bolt running vertically through it and the ply floor=2C is just a 1" square cross piece? If so=2C why is it drawn smaller than the 1" square longeron adjacent to it? Ryan On Fri=2C Aug 27=2C 2010 at 8:32 AM=2C Gene Rambo wrote : No=2C the plans are clear=2C with the wooden gear version from the F&G manu al the cross pieces are merely 1" square spruce just like every other cross member. There are no ash cross pieces on that version of the plans. Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question From: rmueller23@gmail.com Gene=2C You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the floo r=2C nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through h is AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing G ear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the 1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the l ongeron=2C possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please.... Ryan On Fri=2C Aug 27=2C 2010 at 7:27 AM=2C Gene Rambo wrote : which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the fl oor=2C for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one=2C li ke most people have done=2C but then you have to modify the fittings. If y ou mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear=2C the dimensions are in th e F&G manual=2C something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in front of me). Gene From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question Members of the list: I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the Fly ing and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page? Particularly=2C I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in the wood landing gear section. Thanks for any assistance. KMH Hawley=2C MN st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:53 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 That is fantastic! I'm envious. My wife gets queezy just looking at the youtube Piet vids! do not archive > >Well - the wife and youngest went up for their first flights tonight >with me in the GN-1. They both had blast! It was her first >experience in a low and slow open cockpit plane (rest of the time >has been in a C-172 with me). We had to come down after 20 minutes >and she was sorely disappointed. >The 9 year old looked like "Kilroy was here" with his big goggles >and headset peering over the side of the fuselage the whole flight. >He wanted to go back up after we landed. It was the first flight >he's ever been on that he didn't puke..... thank God... > >I have two more converts in the house! > >-------- >Lorin Miller >Waiex N81YX >GN-1 N30PP -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question From: Ryan Mueller Roger that. Wanted to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. :P Thanks Gene! Ryan On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > you're right, and I saw that after I posted. I do not have the plans in > front of me, but I do know for sure that the cross piece is 1" square. I > cannot explain why the cross section looks like it does. Many people > (including me) built the fuselage to the "improved plans" with ash cross > pieces before noticing that the wood gear version did not have them. The > ash was added for the "split-type" gear in the improved plans. All I did > (and most others) was modify the gear fittings (I did it per Pavliga > drawings) to make them work. I think the modified ones are stronger > anyway. > > I will say that the steel strap shown in the cross section you posted may > be necessary (or at least a good idea) with a 1" square spruce cross > piece, but I cannot find a single reason to have it on the ash version and I > am not installing one. > > Gene > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:43:32 -0500 > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question > From: rmueller23@gmail.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Gene, > > Then the piece that is inboard of the longeron in the drawing that I > attached, that has the bolt running vertically through it and the ply floor, > is just a 1" square cross piece? If so, why is it drawn smaller than the 1" > square longeron adjacent to it? > > Ryan > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > > No, the plans are clear, with the wooden gear version from the F&G manual > the cross pieces are merely 1" square spruce just like every other cross > member. There are no ash cross pieces on that version of the plans. > > Gene > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:03:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question > From: rmueller23@gmail.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Gene, > > You are correct in that there is no ash piece explicitly shown for the > floor, nor mention of one made in the text (that I can see skimming through > his AM). However if you look at the "Cross Section View of Mounted Landing > Gear Fittings" portion of the wood landing gear drawing in the F&G Manual it > shows an additional wood member of some sort above the floor and under the > 1/2" steel strip....maybe 1/2" thick if it is drawn proportional to the > longeron, possiby 3/4"? See attached scan please.... > > Ryan > > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > > which ash piece do you mean? If you are referring to the one across the > floor, for the wooden gear version there is not one. You can add one, like > most people have done, but then you have to modify the fittings. If you > mean the ash piece at the bottom of the gear, the dimensions are in the F&G > manual, something like 1 1/2 by 2 1/2 by 7 (don't have the plans in front of > me). > > Gene > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:08:56 -0700 > From: kmheidecpo@yahoo.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question > To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com > > > Members of the list: > > > I was reading through my plans and did not see a page for the landing gear > and fittings. I do find the diagram in the Pietenpol Booklet and in the > Flying and Glider Manual that came with the plans. Am I missing this page? > Particularly, I was searching for the dimension of the ash piece used in > the wood landing gear section. > > Thanks for any assistance. > > KMH > Hawley, MN > * > * > ** > > * > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:41 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question I have the wood landing gear print in my set of plans. It was not included in my original set, I had to ask for it. That wood piece you are asking about... I do not have the plans in front of me, but on my plane, that piece is ash, about (from memory)- 2" X 3/4" a nd runs from one side of the fuselage to the other. In the picture you can see one in place for both forward and aft landing gear attach points. I THO UGHT this was shown in the fuselage print? (I'll verify when I get home...i f you still need to know by then.) Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:41 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: gear fitting mods I fabricated the modified wood gear fittings like Mike P. / Gene R. mentio ned as suggested to me by Frank M. Pavilga because of how much sense they made when Frank and his father (Frank M. Pavliga, deceased) who are/we re both architects changed them a bit. I used both the ash crossmembers and a thin 1" wide strip of 4130 from side to side under the belly just fo r insurance but not having the engineering background I I made some chicken-scratch diagrams trying to show how they go together an d they are posted under my name in the Chris Tracy http://www.westcoastpiet .com/pictures.htm web site. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:24 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question Jeez Michael why don't you clean up your shop floor! Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question I have the wood landing gear print in my set of plans. It was not included in my original set, I had to ask for it. That wood piece you are asking about... I do not have the plans in front of me, but on my plane, that piece is ash, about (from memory) 2" X 3/4" and runs from one side of the fuselage to the other. In the picture you can see one in place for both forward and aft landing gear attach points. I THOUGHT this was shown in the fuselage print? (I'll verify when I get home...if you still need to know by then.) Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:14 AM PST US From: Harvey Rule Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question Holy smokes=2Cthat looks like the immaculate conception!!! do not archive From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question I have the wood landing gear print in my set of plans. It was not included in my original set=2C I had to ask for it. That wood piece you are asking about... I do not have the plans in front of me=2C but on my plane=2C that piece is ash=2C about (from memory) 2" X 3/ 4" and runs from one side of the fuselage to the other. In the picture you can see one in place for both forward and aft landing gear attach points. I THOUGHT this was shown in the fuselage print? (I'll verify when I get home ...if you still need to know by then.) Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 From: "Bill Church" Jeff, With the recent chatter about mis-spelling, I gotta wonder whether your spelling in the subject line was part of your "plna". BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310298#310298 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best Buy and ACS From: "Bill Church" And if you buy your Spruce kit from BestBuy, for an additional $400 you can get an extended warranty and service plan. BC do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310299#310299 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best Buy and ACS From: Ryan Mueller Watch out for the upsell to Monster control cables...not worth the $$$... do not archive On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > And if you buy your Spruce kit from BestBuy, for an additional $400 you can > get an extended warranty and service plan. > > BC > > do not archive. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310299#310299 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:32 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Pietenpol-List: multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS The last two days including the present, I am occassionally only getting one message from board members, but often 2,3,4 or 6 copies of the same post. Something is wrong with our server. Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:54 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 I didn't start the thread, though I do misspell all the time. And just to be complete: I categorically deny (and she will, too) that my wife went for first flight tongue in a GN-1. She's more of a Mooney type. You know, a fast woman. Do not archive And get to work just because it's a friday doesn't mean you can blow it off aren't they still paying you to do something sheesh! > >Jeff, > >With the recent chatter about mis-spelling, I gotta wonder whether >your spelling in the subject line was part of your "plna". > >BC > >do not archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310298#310298 > > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:53 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS Tim, so far the only ones who have said anything about multiple messages have earthlink dot net addresses. Skip at earthlink, sometimes getting more than 6 copies. > [Original Message] > From: Tim Willis > To: matronics piet site > Date: 8/27/2010 3:56:37 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS > > > The last two days including the present, I am occassionally only getting one message from board members, but often 2,3,4 or 6 copies of the same post. > > Something is wrong with our server. > Tim in central TX > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:17 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question Just checked my plans and both ash pieces are shown on the fuselage page. Both pieces are 3/4" X 2". Yes, I really should keep the floor and shop a little cleaner. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero Www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:24 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS I get two copies on my Blackberry, but only one on my laptop...when it comes to computers, I stopped asking, "Why..." 15 years ago... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: multiple messages-- server fouled up?-- ATTENTION, MATRONICS The last two days including the present, I am occassionally only getting one message from board members, but often 2,3,4 or 6 copies of the same post. Something is wrong with our server. Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wife went for first flight tongh in GN-1 From: "ldmill" You know, I tried to go back and edit this message after I posted to correct the misspell - but it didn't seem to fxi ti... Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310315#310315 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flycorvair.com update, Brodhead mentions and some topical pics From: Ryan Mueller http://flycorvair.com/hangar.html William Wynne has added an update to his website, and there is a fair amount there that is of interest to Pietenpolers (even if you don't like Corvairs!). Ryan do not archive ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine run-up From: "skellytown flyer" Well I got my wings back off and rolled my GN-1 out in the sunshine today and got it tied down and ran the Corvair D.J. built up. it sounds strong and smooth so far -I got the timing what looks like close but in the bright sunshine it is difficult to see the marks really well so I'm going to check it again about dusk. but it sure seems to pull Strong so far.I didn't go full open for over a few seconds but I believe it will pretty easily turn 2850 or more.and that should drag this thing into the air pretty well.oil pressure seems to stay around 38 or so even pretty warmat idle. head temps never went over about 284 so far. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310321#310321 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:01 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine run-up Congrats! That's great.... -----Original Message----- >From: skellytown flyer >Sent: Aug 27, 2010 6:38 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine run-up > > >Well I got my wings back off and rolled my GN-1 out in the sunshine today and got it tied down and ran the Corvair D.J. built up. it sounds strong and smooth so far -I got the timing what looks like close but in the bright sunshine it is difficult to see the marks really well so I'm going to check it again about dusk. but it sure seems to pull Strong so far.I didn't go full open for over a few seconds but I believe it will pretty easily turn 2850 or more.and that should drag this thing into the air pretty well.oil pressure seems to stay around 38 or so even pretty warmat idle. head temps never went over about 284 so far. Raymond > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310321#310321 > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best Buy and ACS From: Rick Holland And you can call the Geek Squad to come out and fix your radios. do not archive On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > And if you buy your Spruce kit from BestBuy, for an additional $400 you can > get an extended warranty and service plan. > > BC > > do not archive. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310299#310299 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:59 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine run-up Congratulations. That's great!! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2010, at 4:38 PM, "skellytown flyer" wrote: > > Well I got my wings back off and rolled my GN-1 out in the sunshine today and got it tied down and ran the Corvair D.J. built up. it sounds strong and smooth so far -I got the timing what looks like close but in the bright sunshine it is difficult to see the marks really well so I'm going to check it again about dusk. but it sure seems to pull Strong so far.I didn't go full open for over a few seconds but I believe it will pretty easily turn 2850 or more.and that should drag this thing into the air pretty well.oil pressure seems to stay around 38 or so even pretty warmat idle. head temps never went over about 284 so far. Raymond > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310321#310321 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Best Buy and ACS From: Ryan Mueller Careful...they will copy and save all of your private frequencies... do not archive On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > And you can call the Geek Squad to come out and fix your radios. > > do not archive > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Bill Church wrote: > >> billspiet@sympatico.ca> >> >> And if you buy your Spruce kit from BestBuy, for an additional $400 you >> can get an extended warranty and service plan. >> >> BC >> >> do not archive. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310299#310299 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine run-up From: "skellytown flyer" Thanks- and after re-reading the post it should have said about 224 was the highest CHT I saw. and I ran it again at Dusk when I could see the timing mark a lot better and I had it dead on 32 degrees. a little cooler air temp and I didn't make as many runs it never got over about 202 CHT. I will install the top cowl now and may even put the big spinner back on- Wynn claims it adds a lot to the cooling and air flow I think. I like the looks a lot better without it but guess performance is something too. I'd kinda like to find a cheap deal on one of the little skull cap type spinners. now if I could get the dad gummed Datcon brand tach to calibrate. Raymond do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310336#310336 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine run-up From: "Dan P" That's great. One step closer! -------- Dan Plett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310345#310345 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:39 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question True Mike but look on the steel split axel gear page upper right drawing, it clearly says the front ash cross piece is 2"x1" with the ends tapered to 3/4". Fortunately either way works. Now on the original fuselage (wood landing gear) there are no ash cross braces. There are 1"x3/4" spruce cross braces. What orientation the 1" dimension should be is debatable. Welcome to the world of Pietenpol drawings. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans Question --> Just checked my plans and both ash pieces are shown on the fuselage page. Both pieces are 3/4" X 2". Yes, I really should keep the floor and shop a little cleaner. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero Www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: O-235 purchase From: "GliderMike" I'm not wanting to sound like a nay-sayer, but, for what its worth, if you use a certificated engine in an experimental, and intend to keep it as a certificated engine, all the components and accessories need to be PMA stuff, and all the accessories such as mags and starters, have to be on the TCDS (type certificate data sheet) for that engine for it to stay as a certificated engine. Also, you will have to have an A&P who has an IA do the annual on the engine (and prop, if you are shooting for the 25 hour test flight time), if you intend to keep the engine and prop as a certificated set. The prop would also have to be a model that was listed on the TCDS for the engine for everything to qualify for the 25 hour flight test, instead of 40 hour. Any deviation from the TCDS makes it experimental. Disadvantages (some of the disadvantages) of a certificated engine and prop - probably higher repair costs in parts, as they have to be PMA parts, and an A&P would have to sign off on any minor repairs, and an A&P with an IA will have to sign off on major repairs and on the annual on the powerplant. The builder (if he gets a repairman certificate for the airplane, can still sign off the yearly condition inspection on the airframe. (Type Certificated stuff gets annual inspections, experimental stuff gets yearly condition inspections. Most everyone on this list already knows this, but in case there are any who weren't aware, I thought I'd throw that in.) Advantages (some of the advantages) of a certificated engine and prop - generally (no guarantees, but usually) higher likelihood of good reliability, and definitely higher resale value if all the paperwork is kept up. In my opinion, if you can afford it, the certificated engine is the way to go. My two cents worth. There are others who will disagree, who have had excellent success with their experimental engines, and probably just as many, if not more, who will agree with the certificated engine idea. Mike Glasgow FAA A&P; FAA Repairman N777WG -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310354#310354 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.