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1. 04:22 AM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:32 AM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 05:23 AM - what it is like to fly a Pietenpol---told thru friend of Rob Bach, GOOD READ (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
4. 05:24 AM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (tkreiner)
5. 05:48 AM - Re: what it is like to fly a Pietenpol---told thru friend of Rob Bach, GOOD READ (Gary Boothe)
6. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: Rib drawing (Dan Yocum)
7. 06:24 AM - Model A stuff (Jim Markle)
8. 07:25 AM - The purist and seat belts (Michael Perez)
9. 07:29 AM - Re: testing on pavement (kevinpurtee)
10. 07:30 AM - Re: The purist and seat belts (kevinpurtee)
11. 07:32 AM - Re: plnas came in (kevinpurtee)
12. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: plnas came in (Gary Boothe)
13. 08:35 AM - Re: The purist and seat belts (Rick Holland)
14. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: plnas came in (Rick Holland)
15. 09:06 AM - Re: The purist and seat belts (hvandervoo@aol.com)
16. 10:35 AM - Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (Bill Church)
17. 11:49 AM - That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
18. 11:55 AM - Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (Billy McCaskill)
19. 11:58 AM - Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway (Billy McCaskill)
20. 12:03 PM - Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway (echobravo4)
21. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (gboothe5@comcast.net)
22. 12:22 PM - Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway (TOM STINEMETZE)
23. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteestin... (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
24. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteestin... (Gary Boothe)
25. 12:41 PM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (Gene Rambo)
26. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteestin... (TOM STINEMETZE)
27. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteest... (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
28. 02:49 PM - Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (Bill Church)
29. 02:53 PM - Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway (Bill Church)
30. 03:32 PM - Any Piet folks in the Chattanooga area? (Jim Markle)
31. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
32. 05:11 PM - Re: The purist and seat belts (helspersew@aol.com)
33. 05:19 PM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (Don Emch)
34. 05:23 PM - Re: The purist and seat belts (Gary Boothe)
35. 05:59 PM - Re: The purist and seat belts (Jack Phillips)
36. 06:02 PM - The Great Waldo Pepper (helspersew@aol.com)
37. 06:16 PM - Re: The purist and seat belts (helspersew@aol.com)
38. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (Gene Rambo)
39. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (Kip and Beth Gardner)
40. 06:52 PM - Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (Bill Church)
41. 07:24 PM - antenna (skellytown flyer)
42. 08:22 PM - Re: The purist and seat belts (taildrags)
43. 08:31 PM - Re: The purist and seat belts (coxwelljon)
44. 08:43 PM - Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? & updated website with Broadhead pictures (Don Rucker)
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
Yes it does the same thing at altitude.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:01 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A
This is a WAG level thing....but if you go up to altitude, can you produce
the behavior?
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:53 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Ryan,
I've tried that........nothing.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A
I don't know if you've done this or not, but what about starting the engin
e and then raising the tail and setting on a sawhorse/blocking get it to
level, and see if that will duplicate the issue....
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2010, at 3:20 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
Doug,
My engine is running like a top, but I can still detect the sputtering on
final at very low idle. I still can't figure out why. Like yesterday, no
sign of induction condensation, but it still happened. Runs fine as soon
as I coast out and on the ground.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Dan,
I personally would mind the 40 hrs either. Takes you that long to learn
the aircraft. How's the "A" running? You mentioned it was stopping at
idle and thought it was just because it was tight. I'm still leanig heav
ily towards an "A". I would prefer a Warner Scarab Jr or a lambert, but
they are way out of my price range for now.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
From: helspersew@aol.com
Good people,
I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1
fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It
was a long, but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this
far.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have
been able to work out a few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive ra
diator overflow on climb-out, oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto slippa
ge etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the requir
ed confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday I
went on a mini cross country, from Poplar Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI,
Dacy in Harvard IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but neverthele
ss a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have these
grass strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't ha
d the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out
my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I cha
nged it at the end of the runway with the engine idling.
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
Shad,
I think your line of reasoning is on to something. I can duplicate this sp
uttering at altitude, with the nose low or nose level. It has something to
do with the windmilling as you say. How to make it stop I haven't figured
that out yet.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:27 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A
I wonder if it is from the windmilling of the prop? Think of the rumbling
and popping that come with down shifting a car to a lower gear at idle wh
ile slowing down. Just another w.a.g. Does it do it at idle with the nos
e up (while flying) . At a low idle, and nose down the wind is driving the
prop faster than your static idle speed , possibly just raw fuel that com
es on through the exsaust, with the throttle closed the air is restricted
, the engine being spun up a little faster as a result of the relitive win
d turning the prop, possibly sucks a little more fuel through the carb ven
turi, and causes a temporary rich condition.
Just a few thoughts, not sure if they are valid or not.
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| Subject: | what it is like to fly a Pietenpol---told thru friend |
of Rob Bach, GOOD READ
Fellow Pietenpol enthusiast, builder, pilot, and owner Rob Bach gave this u
nique lady her tailwheel endorsement and let her
SOLO his Pietenpol and she posted this GREAT story about her experience.
Thanks Rob for sharing the gift of open cockpit flying and getting this lad
y a logbook entry and experience that she will never forget.
Mike C.
http://www.myskymom.com/2010/07/25/heaven-is-a-grass-runway-in-the-heartlan
d-the-story-of-my-tailwheel-endorsement/
To me this what our kind of flying is all about. Build, learn, fly, sh
are, infect others and don't look back.
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
Dan,
Not sure which carburetor you're running, but my experience of having owned a Model
A, along with a lot of experience with engines and carburetors in general,
leads me to believe the issue is in carburetion.
In general, a mixture that becomes slightly rich will make the engine run rough,
where a lean mixture will make the engine produce a light exhaust popping sound
(or in my 40-ish year old memory of this, it the other way around?).
Are you able to pull a plug immediately after landing to see what the color of
the electrode is? For a rich mixture it will be black to sooty, for lean it
will be gray to white, and for close to stoichiometric, it will be chocolatey
in color. Due to the nature of "coloring" the plug, it may take several minutes
of continued operation under the condition you experience to produce a visible
result on the plug... and an inexact or short run could be misleading.
Hope this helps.
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | what it is like to fly a Pietenpol---told thru friend |
of Rob Bach, GOOD READ
Nice story."He is The Best; isn't he."
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what it is like to fly a Pietenpol---told thru
friend of Rob Bach, GOOD READ
Fellow Pietenpol enthusiast, builder, pilot, and owner Rob Bach gave this
unique lady her tailwheel endorsement and let her
SOLO his Pietenpol and she posted this GREAT story about her experience.
Thanks Rob for sharing the gift of open cockpit flying and getting this lady
a logbook entry and experience that she will never forget.
Mike C.
http://www.myskymom.com/2010/07/25/heaven-is-a-grass-runway-in-the-heartland
-the-story-of-my-tailwheel-endorsement/
To me this what our kind of flying is all about. Build, learn, fly,
share, infect others and don't look back.
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I cut little blocks out of the thickest plexi I could get - about 1/4" - and
super glued them to the plexi sheet. Works great and those blocks are unmov
eable (unfortunately).
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> Or get a piece of plexiglass from Home Depot to lay over the rib drawing (
and that you nail your rib jig blocks to).
>
> rick
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> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:00 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
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> In order to keep the original print in good shape, my wife suggested that I
use carbon paper and trace the original print to the MDF. At first I thoug
ht that would be difficult, but carbon paper is cheap (especially if you hav
e an Office Depot or Staples nearby) and the MDF is smooth so I gave it a tr
y. It only took about 30 minutes and I had an exact reproduction on my jig.
This really helped a lot when it came to placing blocks and cams for align
ing the pieces.
>
> Just figured I'd share that since it worked out good for me... I chose to g
lue and nail my ribs. If you prefer to clamp, just look around as there are
several other cool variations around here.
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> Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section
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>
>In general, a mixture that becomes slightly rich will make the engine run rough,
where a lean mixture will make the engine produce a light exhaust popping sound
(or in my 40-ish year old memory of this, it the other way around?).
Interesting that you mention this. I have experienced that popping sound on my
A. And just yesterday pulled a couple plugs (and inserted lifting lugs into
the plug holes so I could remove the engine for some cleaning/painting) and the
plugs were very black/sooty. Figured from that it had been running rich. Now
I know! Or at least know what to listen for next time!
Thanks
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| Subject: | The purist and seat belts |
I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did no
t, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people bui
lding with out?-
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: testing on pavement |
Yup. My little tire on my rolling tailskid wore down so quickly on pavement, and
was so inconvenient to taxi, that I didn't last more than 5 landings before
I went to the steerable tailwheel. Never a problem on grass, of course, but
there aren't that many grass runways.
Axel
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Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
I've never seen one without at least lap belts.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: plnas came in |
Hey Rick - Can I order bluepirnts for your new "Plnas Special?"
Sorry.
do not archive
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: plnas came in |
I herd they were epxenvise.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: plnas came in
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Hey Rick - Can I order bluepirnts for your new "Plnas Special?"
Sorry.
do not archive
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
Real men fly Pietenpols without seatbelts (and tailwheels).
do not archive
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did
> not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people
> building with out?
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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> *
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: plnas came in |
Yes tha r very expenciv.
do not archive
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I herd they were epxenvise.
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
> Do not archive
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kevinpurtee
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:32 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: plnas came in
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> Hey Rick - Can I order bluepirnts for your new "Plnas Special?"
>
> Sorry.
>
> do not archive
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> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
If this is true the opposite must also be true
Real man need (balistic) parachutes and fly with nose wheel ?
Ughhh, the thought alone...
Anyway Bernard used a piece of rope as seat belt.
Happy landings!
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:33 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
Real men fly Pietenpols without seatbelts (and tailwheels).
do not archive
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did
not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people
building with out?
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| Subject: | Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale |
That is an odd looking "Pietenpol".
Verrrry long nose, modified tail, and different landing gear are the obvious differences.
According to the chapter website
http://www.eaa1218.org/index.php/chapter-projects/pietenpol/142-piet-mission
they added EIGHTEEN inches to the nose!
Can't say I've seen one like that before.
But then, I can't say I've seen a Piet for sale with an asking price of $21K before,
either.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway |
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Aviation leaders John and Martha King were held at gunpoint by Santa
Barbara, Calif., police on Saturday. The N-number for the Kings' leased Cessna
172 came up as a stolen Cessna 150, and police intercepted the aircraft at
Santa Barbara Airport. Martha King said the experience was unnecessarily
adversarial because "I don't think we exactly look like your typical airplane
thief." _AVweb_
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Gosh, with a nose that long, they might as well have used a small turboprop engine
to go with all the other mods they built into this "Pietenpol". This is certainly
not an airplane worthy of consideraton by for the Piet purist!
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Urbana, IL
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anyway
So just what does the "typical airplane thief" look like? Just curious, so that
I can be on the look-out whenever I'm at an airport, or so that I'm not mistakenly
held at gunpoint for looking like an airplane thief...
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anyway
Well, you also have the fact that a Cessna thief would look different than a Piper
thief! [Rolling Eyes]
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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
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I like how they said they were disappointed that they couldn't display it at AirVenture
last year, to "...show how a Piet goes together..."!
Gary Boothe
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From: Billy McCaskill
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale
Sent: Aug 30, 2010 11:55 AM
Gosh, with a nose that long, they might as well have used a small turboprop engine
to go with all the other mods they built into this "Pietenpol". This is certainly
not an airplane worthy of consideraton by for the Piet purist!
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Urbana, IL
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anyway
>So just what does the "typical airplane thief" look like? Just curious,
so that I can be on the look-out whenever I'm at an airport, or so that
I'm not mistakenly held at gunpoint for looking like an >airplane thief...
"Well it's an inferior model but it should suit my purposes..." (Axel)
Tom Stinemetze in beautiful McPherson, KS.
Just step outside and you would swear you were on a carrier deck - - -
steaming into the wind.
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Major Strausser's been shot, round up the usual suspects.
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TOMS@mcpcity.com writes:
>So just what does the "typical airplane thief" look like? Just curious,
so that I can be on the look-out whenever I'm at an airport, or so that I'm
not mistakenly held at gunpoint for looking like an >airplane thief...
"Well it's an inferior model but it should suit my purposes..." (Axel)
Tom Stinemetze in beautiful McPherson, KS.
Just step outside and you would swear you were on a carrier deck - - -
steaming into the wind.
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"Apparently you're the only one . with less scruples than I."
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:25 PM
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inteestin...
Major Strausser's been shot, round up the usual suspects.
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In a message dated 8/30/2010 3:22:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
TOMS@mcpcity.com writes:
>So just what does the "typical airplane thief" look like? Just curious, so
that I can be on the look-out whenever I'm at an airport, or so that I'm not
mistakenly held at gunpoint for looking like an >airplane thief...
"Well it's an inferior model but it should suit my purposes..." (Axel)
Tom Stinemetze in beautiful McPherson, KS.
Just step outside and you would swear you were on a carrier deck - - -
steaming into the wind.
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| Subject: | 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
Dan=2C seeing all of the responses=2C and all equally plausible=2C I though
t I'd throw another possibility. Could the popping merely be acoustic=2C a
result of the short stacks and having to do with the back pressure at low
power setting??? Any way to change the length or angle of the stacks to se
e if it makes a difference??
Gene
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off=2C state of model A
From: helspersew@aol.com
Doug=2C
My engine is running like a top=2C but I can still detect the sputtering on
final at very low idle. I still can't figure out why. Like yesterday=2C no
sign of induction condensation=2C but it still happened. Runs fine as soon
as I coast out and on the ground.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun=2C Aug 29=2C 2010 10:27 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
Dan=2C
I personally would mind the 40 hrs either. Takes you that long to learn th
e aircraft. How's the "A" running? You mentioned it was stopping at idle
and thought it was just because it was tight. I'm still leanig heavily to
wards an "A". I would prefer a Warner Scarab Jr or a lambert=2C but they a
re way out of my price range for now.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off
From: helspersew@aol.com
Good people=2C
I myself am enjoying my Piet=2C and really don't mind the 40 hour=2C Phase-
1 fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It w
as a long=2C but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this f
ar.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have be
en able to work out a few bugs=2C such as my nose-heaviness=2C excessive ra
diator overflow on climb-out=2C oil leaks=2C brake adjustments=2C magneto s
lippage etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the re
quired confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday
I went on a mini cross country=2C from Poplar Grove=2C Bigfoot in Walworth
WI=2C Dacy in Harvard IL=2C and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but neve
rtheless a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have th
ese grass strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't
had the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out
my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I chang
ed it at the end of the runway with the engine idling.
At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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inteestin...
>>> Major Strausser's been shot, round up the usual suspects.
OOooooo, sacrilege. I don't believe that quotation came from TWGP!
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inteest...
okay, back on point,
Who's flying with Kessler? Brown, new guy. I'll get him when he gets down.
Better now?
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In a message dated 8/30/2010 3:41:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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>>> Major Strausser's been shot, round up the usual suspects.
OOooooo, sacrilege. I don't believe that quotation came from TWGP!
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Beautiful plumage, on the Norwegian Blue.
(Monty Python, not TGWP)
BC
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anyway
Here we go again...
A whole bunch of separate replies to one posting, but all of the replies NOT connected
to the original message, and ALL of them with the same mis-spelled subject
line.
"Inteesting" indeed.
Or, did you "plna" the whole thing, John?
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I'm there until Friday and would sure enjoy a visit....
jm
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To me.... with a engine that far out front....it could pass as an agricultu
ral spray plane!
-KMH
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From: Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale
Gosh, with a nose that long, they might as well have used a small turboprop
engine to go with all the other mods they built into this "Pietenpol".-
This is certainly not an airplane worthy of consideraton by for the Piet pu
rist!
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Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
As you all know, I am somewhat of a purist, but I have compromised in some
areas for the sake of safety or reliability. I have a five-point safety
harness for both seats. Also, I have dual, independent ignition.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did
not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people
building with out?
Michael Perez
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Dan,
Recently, I had the opportunity to fly Allen Rudolph's old Piet, now owned by Frank
Pavliga. Quite a flying machine! At Brodhead it was refitted with the engine
that used to be in Jack McCarthy's Piet. When I throttled back I seemed
to remember some light popping and sputtering that seemed to continue through
final. In fact, I noticed it enough to ask Frank and Andrew King about it after
landing. Neither seemed to be very concerned. I know Andrew watches this
list, so maybe he'll chime in.
By the way, I really think if I were to build another Piet I'd do my best to replicate
THAT one. What a beautiful flying airplane!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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That's good!
"Will it do an outside loop?"
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
As you all know, I am somewhat of a purist, but I have compromised in some
areas for the sake of safety or reliability. I have a five-point safety
harness for both seats. Also, I have dual, independent ignition.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did
not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people
building with out?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
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You probably also did not use cotton muslin or Irish linen to cover your
airplane. Dacron?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
As you all know, I am somewhat of a purist, but I have compromised in some
areas for the sake of safety or reliability. I have a five-point safety
harness for both seats. Also, I have dual, independent ignition.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did
not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people
building with out?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
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| Subject: | The Great Waldo Pepper |
Pieters,
On Saturday I was able to give a ride in my Aeronca to my cousin's 7 year
old son. His name is Axel. Cutest kid ever. He was super excited about se
eing me fly the Piet, and his ride in the Aeronca. With a name like that
he is destined to be a pilot.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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OK, OK, yes, there are a FEW other areas of compromise. Please don't make
me list them all.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:57 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
You probably also did not use cotton muslin or Irish linen to cover your
airplane. Dacron?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
As you all know, I am somewhat of a purist, but I have compromised in some
areas for the sake of safety or reliability. I have a five-point safety
harness for both seats. Also, I have dual, independent ignition.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts
I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did
not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people
building with out?
Michael Perez
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'e's bleedin demised . . . 'e's passed on . . . . . 'e's an ex--parrot!!
Gene
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale
> From: billspiet@sympatico.ca
> Date: Mon=2C 30 Aug 2010 14:48:29 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Beautiful plumage=2C on the Norwegian Blue.
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"Eh - Took me TWO Hours to bury the bloody cat."
"Two Hours?!!!"
"Well, 'e wouldn't 'old still."
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> 'e's bleedin demised . . . 'e's passed on . . . . . 'e's an
ex--parrot!!
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> Gene
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> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale
> > From: billspiet@sympatico.ca
> > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:48:29 -0700
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> > Beautiful plumage, on the Norwegian Blue.
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| Subject: | Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale |
"E's pining for the fjords"
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Well I went ahead and ordered an ELT tonight to go in the GN-1 it comes with an
antenna.but my question is-can I get away with mounting it inside the tail since
I have a fabric plane or does the rules require it to be external? probably
end up being a question for the DAR ? do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
I was spared having to make the decision. Corky finished 41CC in early Army Air
Corps paint, so the military harness is completely in keeping with the airplane.
Four-point is what you might call it... military OD belts with quick-release
belt buckle, and the shoulder straps engage metal tabs on the lap belts.
Hard to describe but best to just call it a military 4-point harness. Lap belts
with Y-configured shoulder harnesses... the shoulder harnesses are single-point
attach aft, with straps over the shoulders down to the lap belts.
After 41CC went nose-over a few years ago, the harness was the only thing that
kept old Charlie from dumping out of the cockpit or doing more damage than just
getting the ignition key buried into his forehead. You can end up 100% "period
authentic" but dead. Nobody will ever sneer at you for having belts in the
airplane. If they do, they've probably never built or flown an experimental
anyway.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat belts but
the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have been a
lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in those days.
Jon
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? & updated website with Broadhead |
pictures
All,
Thank you to everyone that took time to offer your thoughts on a 0290
powered Piet. I value the help and advice of this community very much. "Piet
people" are the best! If the condition of the 0290 turns out to be as
reported I intend to buy it. I will keep you posted.
On another note, I finally got around to updating our project website. It
now includes a tab for Broadhead with some pics some of you might enjoy.
www.firstwings.net
Thanks,
Don
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