---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/30/10: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:22 AM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:32 AM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:23 AM - what it is like to fly a Pietenpol---told thru friend of Rob Bach, GOOD READ (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 4. 05:24 AM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (tkreiner) 5. 05:48 AM - Re: what it is like to fly a Pietenpol---told thru friend of Rob Bach, GOOD READ (Gary Boothe) 6. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: Rib drawing (Dan Yocum) 7. 06:24 AM - Model A stuff (Jim Markle) 8. 07:25 AM - The purist and seat belts (Michael Perez) 9. 07:29 AM - Re: testing on pavement (kevinpurtee) 10. 07:30 AM - Re: The purist and seat belts (kevinpurtee) 11. 07:32 AM - Re: plnas came in (kevinpurtee) 12. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: plnas came in (Gary Boothe) 13. 08:35 AM - Re: The purist and seat belts (Rick Holland) 14. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: plnas came in (Rick Holland) 15. 09:06 AM - Re: The purist and seat belts (hvandervoo@aol.com) 16. 10:35 AM - Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (Bill Church) 17. 11:49 AM - That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 18. 11:55 AM - Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (Billy McCaskill) 19. 11:58 AM - Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway (Billy McCaskill) 20. 12:03 PM - Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway (echobravo4) 21. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (gboothe5@comcast.net) 22. 12:22 PM - Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway (TOM STINEMETZE) 23. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteestin... (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 24. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteestin... (Gary Boothe) 25. 12:41 PM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (Gene Rambo) 26. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteestin... (TOM STINEMETZE) 27. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteest... (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 28. 02:49 PM - Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (Bill Church) 29. 02:53 PM - Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway (Bill Church) 30. 03:32 PM - Any Piet folks in the Chattanooga area? (Jim Markle) 31. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 32. 05:11 PM - Re: The purist and seat belts (helspersew@aol.com) 33. 05:19 PM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (Don Emch) 34. 05:23 PM - Re: The purist and seat belts (Gary Boothe) 35. 05:59 PM - Re: The purist and seat belts (Jack Phillips) 36. 06:02 PM - The Great Waldo Pepper (helspersew@aol.com) 37. 06:16 PM - Re: The purist and seat belts (helspersew@aol.com) 38. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (Gene Rambo) 39. 06:44 PM - Re: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (Kip and Beth Gardner) 40. 06:52 PM - Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale (Bill Church) 41. 07:24 PM - antenna (skellytown flyer) 42. 08:22 PM - Re: The purist and seat belts (taildrags) 43. 08:31 PM - Re: The purist and seat belts (coxwelljon) 44. 08:43 PM - Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? & updated website with Broadhead pictures (Don Rucker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A From: helspersew@aol.com Yes it does the same thing at altitude. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:01 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A This is a WAG level thing....but if you go up to altitude, can you produce the behavior? On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:53 PM, wrote: Hi Ryan, I've tried that........nothing. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 3:31 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A I don't know if you've done this or not, but what about starting the engin e and then raising the tail and setting on a sawhorse/blocking get it to level, and see if that will duplicate the issue.... Ryan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2010, at 3:20 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: Doug, My engine is running like a top, but I can still detect the sputtering on final at very low idle. I still can't figure out why. Like yesterday, no sign of induction condensation, but it still happened. Runs fine as soon as I coast out and on the ground. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Dever Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off Dan, I personally would mind the 40 hrs either. Takes you that long to learn the aircraft. How's the "A" running? You mentioned it was stopping at idle and thought it was just because it was tight. I'm still leanig heav ily towards an "A". I would prefer a Warner Scarab Jr or a lambert, but they are way out of my price range for now. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off From: helspersew@aol.com Good people, I myself am enjoying my Piet, and really don't mind the 40 hour, Phase-1 fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It was a long, but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this far.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have been able to work out a few bugs, such as my nose-heaviness, excessive ra diator overflow on climb-out, oil leaks, brake adjustments, magneto slippa ge etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the requir ed confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday I went on a mini cross country, from Poplar Grove, Bigfoot in Walworth WI, Dacy in Harvard IL, and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but neverthele ss a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have these grass strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't ha d the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I cha nged it at the end of the runway with the engine idling. At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags. 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I can duplicate this sp uttering at altitude, with the nose low or nose level. It has something to do with the windmilling as you say. How to make it stop I haven't figured that out yet. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:27 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A I wonder if it is from the windmilling of the prop? Think of the rumbling and popping that come with down shifting a car to a lower gear at idle wh ile slowing down. Just another w.a.g. Does it do it at idle with the nos e up (while flying) . At a low idle, and nose down the wind is driving the prop faster than your static idle speed , possibly just raw fuel that com es on through the exsaust, with the throttle closed the air is restricted , the engine being spun up a little faster as a result of the relitive win d turning the prop, possibly sucks a little more fuel through the carb ven turi, and causes a temporary rich condition. Just a few thoughts, not sure if they are valid or not. Shad --- --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:37 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: what it is like to fly a Pietenpol---told thru friend of Rob Bach, GOOD READ Fellow Pietenpol enthusiast, builder, pilot, and owner Rob Bach gave this u nique lady her tailwheel endorsement and let her SOLO his Pietenpol and she posted this GREAT story about her experience. Thanks Rob for sharing the gift of open cockpit flying and getting this lad y a logbook entry and experience that she will never forget. Mike C. http://www.myskymom.com/2010/07/25/heaven-is-a-grass-runway-in-the-heartlan d-the-story-of-my-tailwheel-endorsement/ To me this what our kind of flying is all about. Build, learn, fly, sh are, infect others and don't look back. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A From: "tkreiner" Dan, Not sure which carburetor you're running, but my experience of having owned a Model A, along with a lot of experience with engines and carburetors in general, leads me to believe the issue is in carburetion. In general, a mixture that becomes slightly rich will make the engine run rough, where a lean mixture will make the engine produce a light exhaust popping sound (or in my 40-ish year old memory of this, it the other way around?). Are you able to pull a plug immediately after landing to see what the color of the electrode is? For a rich mixture it will be black to sooty, for lean it will be gray to white, and for close to stoichiometric, it will be chocolatey in color. Due to the nature of "coloring" the plug, it may take several minutes of continued operation under the condition you experience to produce a visible result on the plug... and an inexact or short run could be misleading. Hope this helps. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310603#310603 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:59 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: what it is like to fly a Pietenpol---told thru friend of Rob Bach, GOOD READ Nice story."He is The Best; isn't he." Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: what it is like to fly a Pietenpol---told thru friend of Rob Bach, GOOD READ Fellow Pietenpol enthusiast, builder, pilot, and owner Rob Bach gave this unique lady her tailwheel endorsement and let her SOLO his Pietenpol and she posted this GREAT story about her experience. Thanks Rob for sharing the gift of open cockpit flying and getting this lady a logbook entry and experience that she will never forget. Mike C. http://www.myskymom.com/2010/07/25/heaven-is-a-grass-runway-in-the-heartland -the-story-of-my-tailwheel-endorsement/ To me this what our kind of flying is all about. Build, learn, fly, share, infect others and don't look back. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib drawing From: Dan Yocum I cut little blocks out of the thickest plexi I could get - about 1/4" - and super glued them to the plexi sheet. Works great and those blocks are unmov eable (unfortunately). -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > Or get a piece of plexiglass from Home Depot to lay over the rib drawing ( and that you nail your rib jig blocks to). > > rick > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:00 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > In order to keep the original print in good shape, my wife suggested that I use carbon paper and trace the original print to the MDF. At first I thoug ht that would be difficult, but carbon paper is cheap (especially if you hav e an Office Depot or Staples nearby) and the MDF is smooth so I gave it a tr y. It only took about 30 minutes and I had an exact reproduction on my jig. This really helped a lot when it came to placing blocks and cams for align ing the pieces. > > Just figured I'd share that since it worked out good for me... I chose to g lue and nail my ribs. If you prefer to clamp, just look around as there are several other cool variations around here. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Finishing up Wings - Working on Center Section > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310535#310535 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_jig_342.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_jig_2_165.jpg > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:13 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A stuff > >In general, a mixture that becomes slightly rich will make the engine run rough, where a lean mixture will make the engine produce a light exhaust popping sound (or in my 40-ish year old memory of this, it the other way around?). Interesting that you mention this. I have experienced that popping sound on my A. And just yesterday pulled a couple plugs (and inserted lifting lugs into the plug holes so I could remove the engine for some cleaning/painting) and the plugs were very black/sooty. Figured from that it had been running rich. Now I know! Or at least know what to listen for next time! Thanks ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:01 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did no t, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people bui lding with out?- Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: testing on pavement From: "kevinpurtee" Yup. My little tire on my rolling tailskid wore down so quickly on pavement, and was so inconvenient to taxi, that I didn't last more than 5 landings before I went to the steerable tailwheel. Never a problem on grass, of course, but there aren't that many grass runways. Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310640#310640 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts From: "kevinpurtee" I've never seen one without at least lap belts. -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310641#310641 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: plnas came in From: "kevinpurtee" Hey Rick - Can I order bluepirnts for your new "Plnas Special?" Sorry. do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310643#310643 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:10 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: plnas came in I herd they were epxenvise. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: plnas came in Hey Rick - Can I order bluepirnts for your new "Plnas Special?" Sorry. do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310643#310643 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts From: Rick Holland Real men fly Pietenpols without seatbelts (and tailwheels). do not archive On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did > not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people > building with out? > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: plnas came in From: Rick Holland Yes tha r very expenciv. do not archive On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > I herd they were epxenvise. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > 20 ribs done > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > kevinpurtee > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:32 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: plnas came in > > > > Hey Rick - Can I order bluepirnts for your new "Plnas Special?" > > Sorry. > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310643#310643 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts From: hvandervoo@aol.com If this is true the opposite must also be true Real man need (balistic) parachutes and fly with nose wheel ? Ughhh, the thought alone... Anyway Bernard used a piece of rope as seat belt. Happy landings! Hans NX15KV Waller, TX -----Original Message----- From: Rick Holland Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:33 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts Real men fly Pietenpols without seatbelts (and tailwheels). do not archive On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Michael Perez wrote: I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people building with out? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale From: "Bill Church" That is an odd looking "Pietenpol". Verrrry long nose, modified tail, and different landing gear are the obvious differences. According to the chapter website http://www.eaa1218.org/index.php/chapter-projects/pietenpol/142-piet-mission they added EIGHTEEN inches to the nose! Can't say I've seen one like that before. But then, I can't say I've seen a Piet for sale with an asking price of $21K before, either. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310676#310676 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:51 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway _Aviation leaders held by police over N-number mix-up_ (http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xVAAyZlXkHckgZBoajazfgalVFsW?format=standard) Aviation leaders John and Martha King were held at gunpoint by Santa Barbara, Calif., police on Saturday. The N-number for the Kings' leased Cessna 172 came up as a stolen Cessna 150, and police intercepted the aircraft at Santa Barbara Airport. Martha King said the experience was unnecessarily adversarial because "I don't think we exactly look like your typical airplane thief." _AVweb_ (http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xVAAyZlXkHckgZBoajazfgalVFsW?format=standard) (8/29) (http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xVAAyZlXkHckhcnwajazfgalvfvk) (http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xVAAyZlXkHckhcqkajazfgalBtAZ) (http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xVAAyZlXkHckhcsYajazfgalJchc) (http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xVAAyZlXkHckhcvMajazfgalSfvN) Do pay attention but Do Not Archive Less Yawanna ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale From: "Billy McCaskill" Gosh, with a nose that long, they might as well have used a small turboprop engine to go with all the other mods they built into this "Pietenpol". This is certainly not an airplane worthy of consideraton by for the Piet purist! -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310687#310687 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway From: "Billy McCaskill" So just what does the "typical airplane thief" look like? Just curious, so that I can be on the look-out whenever I'm at an airport, or so that I'm not mistakenly held at gunpoint for looking like an airplane thief... do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310688#310688 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway From: "echobravo4" Well, you also have the fact that a Cessna thief would look different than a Piper thief! [Rolling Eyes] do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310689#310689 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale From: gboothe5@comcast.net I like how they said they were disappointed that they couldn't display it at AirVenture last year, to "...show how a Piet goes together..."! Gary Boothe Do not archive ------Original Message------ From: Billy McCaskill Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale Sent: Aug 30, 2010 11:55 AM Gosh, with a nose that long, they might as well have used a small turboprop engine to go with all the other mods they built into this "Pietenpol". This is certainly not an airplane worthy of consideraton by for the Piet purist! -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310687#310687 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:34 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway >So just what does the "typical airplane thief" look like? Just curious, so that I can be on the look-out whenever I'm at an airport, or so that I'm not mistakenly held at gunpoint for looking like an >airplane thief... "Well it's an inferior model but it should suit my purposes..." (Axel) Tom Stinemetze in beautiful McPherson, KS. Just step outside and you would swear you were on a carrier deck - - - steaming into the wind. do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:07 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteestin... Major Strausser's been shot, round up the usual suspects. Do not archive In a message dated 8/30/2010 3:22:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, TOMS@mcpcity.com writes: >So just what does the "typical airplane thief" look like? Just curious, so that I can be on the look-out whenever I'm at an airport, or so that I'm not mistakenly held at gunpoint for looking like an >airplane thief... "Well it's an inferior model but it should suit my purposes..." (Axel) Tom Stinemetze in beautiful McPherson, KS. Just step outside and you would swear you were on a carrier deck - - - steaming into the wind. do not archive (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:17 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteestin... "Apparently you're the only one . with less scruples than I." Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteestin... Major Strausser's been shot, round up the usual suspects. Do not archive In a message dated 8/30/2010 3:22:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, TOMS@mcpcity.com writes: >So just what does the "typical airplane thief" look like? Just curious, so that I can be on the look-out whenever I'm at an airport, or so that I'm not mistakenly held at gunpoint for looking like an >airplane thief... "Well it's an inferior model but it should suit my purposes..." (Axel) Tom Stinemetze in beautiful McPherson, KS. Just step outside and you would swear you were on a carrier deck - - - steaming into the wind. do not archive =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:19 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A Dan=2C seeing all of the responses=2C and all equally plausible=2C I though t I'd throw another possibility. Could the popping merely be acoustic=2C a result of the short stacks and having to do with the back pressure at low power setting??? Any way to change the length or angle of the stacks to se e if it makes a difference?? Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off=2C state of model A From: helspersew@aol.com Doug=2C My engine is running like a top=2C but I can still detect the sputtering on final at very low idle. I still can't figure out why. Like yesterday=2C no sign of induction condensation=2C but it still happened. Runs fine as soon as I coast out and on the ground. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove=2C IL. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Dever Sent: Sun=2C Aug 29=2C 2010 10:27 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off Dan=2C I personally would mind the 40 hrs either. Takes you that long to learn th e aircraft. How's the "A" running? You mentioned it was stopping at idle and thought it was just because it was tight. I'm still leanig heavily to wards an "A". I would prefer a Warner Scarab Jr or a lambert=2C but they a re way out of my price range for now. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio Subject: Pietenpol-List: 40 hour fly-off From: helspersew@aol.com Good people=2C I myself am enjoying my Piet=2C and really don't mind the 40 hour=2C Phase- 1 fly-off period that is required for a non-certified prop and engine. It w as a long=2C but enjoyable journey (10 year building process) to get this f ar.....I am loving every minute of it. 12 hours flown-off so far. I have be en able to work out a few bugs=2C such as my nose-heaviness=2C excessive ra diator overflow on climb-out=2C oil leaks=2C brake adjustments=2C magneto s lippage etc. With every flight I am learning the machine and gaining the re quired confidence I will need in order to fly passengers safely. Yesterday I went on a mini cross country=2C from Poplar Grove=2C Bigfoot in Walworth WI=2C Dacy in Harvard IL=2C and back to Poplar Grove. Not very far but neve rtheless a building block for me and my airplane. I am fortunate to have th ese grass strips so conveniently located so close to home. I still haven't had the cohones to try a hard- surface landing. Yesterday I also tried-out my quick disconnect tail wheel-to-skid set up. Worked like a charm! I chang ed it at the end of the runway with the engine idling. At some point I will start loading up the front seat with sandbags. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove=2C IL. st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:20 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteestin... >>> Major Strausser's been shot, round up the usual suspects. OOooooo, sacrilege. I don't believe that quotation came from TWGP! do not archive ____ | ____ \8/ / \ ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:49 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteest... okay, back on point, Who's flying with Kessler? Brown, new guy. I'll get him when he gets down. Better now? Do not archive even though it should be archived to preserve my station in life. In a message dated 8/30/2010 3:41:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, TOMS@mcpcity.com writes: >>> Major Strausser's been shot, round up the usual suspects. OOooooo, sacrilege. I don't believe that quotation came from TWGP! do not archive ____ | ____ \8/ / \ ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale From: "Bill Church" Beautiful plumage, on the Norwegian Blue. (Monty Python, not TGWP) BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310722#310722 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway From: "Bill Church" Here we go again... A whole bunch of separate replies to one posting, but all of the replies NOT connected to the original message, and ALL of them with the same mis-spelled subject line. "Inteesting" indeed. Or, did you "plna" the whole thing, John? do not archive. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310723#310723 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:39 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Any Piet folks in the Chattanooga area? I'm there until Friday and would sure enjoy a visit.... jm ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:51 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale To me.... with a engine that far out front....it could pass as an agricultu ral spray plane! -KMH - - --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Billy McCaskill wrote: From: Billy McCaskill Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale Gosh, with a nose that long, they might as well have used a small turboprop engine to go with all the other mods they built into this "Pietenpol".- This is certainly not an airplane worthy of consideraton by for the Piet pu rist! -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310687#310687 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts From: helspersew@aol.com As you all know, I am somewhat of a purist, but I have compromised in some areas for the sake of safety or reliability. I have a five-point safety harness for both seats. Also, I have dual, independent ignition. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people building with out? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A From: "Don Emch" Dan, Recently, I had the opportunity to fly Allen Rudolph's old Piet, now owned by Frank Pavliga. Quite a flying machine! At Brodhead it was refitted with the engine that used to be in Jack McCarthy's Piet. When I throttled back I seemed to remember some light popping and sputtering that seemed to continue through final. In fact, I noticed it enough to ask Frank and Andrew King about it after landing. Neither seemed to be very concerned. I know Andrew watches this list, so maybe he'll chime in. By the way, I really think if I were to build another Piet I'd do my best to replicate THAT one. What a beautiful flying airplane! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310733#310733 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:01 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts That's good! "Will it do an outside loop?" Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts As you all know, I am somewhat of a purist, but I have compromised in some areas for the sake of safety or reliability. I have a five-point safety harness for both seats. Also, I have dual, independent ignition. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people building with out? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:45 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts You probably also did not use cotton muslin or Irish linen to cover your airplane. Dacron? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts As you all know, I am somewhat of a purist, but I have compromised in some areas for the sake of safety or reliability. I have a five-point safety harness for both seats. Also, I have dual, independent ignition. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people building with out? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper From: helspersew@aol.com Pieters, On Saturday I was able to give a ride in my Aeronca to my cousin's 7 year old son. His name is Axel. Cutest kid ever. He was super excited about se eing me fly the Piet, and his ride in the Aeronca. With a name like that he is destined to be a pilot. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts From: helspersew@aol.com OK, OK, yes, there are a FEW other areas of compromise. Please don't make me list them all. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:57 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts You probably also did not use cotton muslin or Irish linen to cover your airplane. Dacron? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts As you all know, I am somewhat of a purist, but I have compromised in some areas for the sake of safety or reliability. I have a five-point safety harness for both seats. Also, I have dual, independent ignition. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: The purist and seat belts I am curious if the original Pietenpols had/used seat belts? If they did not, are the purists among us installing them anyway, or are there people building with out? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ======================== =========== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ======================== =========== tp://forums.matronics.com ======================== =========== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== =========== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:02 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale 'e's bleedin demised . . . 'e's passed on . . . . . 'e's an ex--parrot!! Gene do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale > From: billspiet@sympatico.ca > Date: Mon=2C 30 Aug 2010 14:48:29 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ca> > > Beautiful plumage=2C on the Norwegian Blue. > > (Monty Python=2C not TGWP) > > BC > > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310722#310722 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:40 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale "Eh - Took me TWO Hours to bury the bloody cat." "Two Hours?!!!" "Well, 'e wouldn't 'old still." Do Not Archive On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:26 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > 'e's bleedin demised . . . 'e's passed on . . . . . 'e's an ex--parrot!! > > Gene > do not archive > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale > > From: billspiet@sympatico.ca > > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:48:29 -0700 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > > Beautiful plumage, on the Norwegian Blue. > > > > (Monty Python, not TGWP) > > > > BC > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310722#310722 > > > > > = Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > &g==================== > > _==== > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New metal fuse Piet for sale From: "Bill Church" "E's pining for the fjords" Do not Archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310755#310755 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna From: "skellytown flyer" Well I went ahead and ordered an ELT tonight to go in the GN-1 it comes with an antenna.but my question is-can I get away with mounting it inside the tail since I have a fabric plane or does the rules require it to be external? probably end up being a question for the DAR ? do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310761#310761 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts From: "taildrags" I was spared having to make the decision. Corky finished 41CC in early Army Air Corps paint, so the military harness is completely in keeping with the airplane. Four-point is what you might call it... military OD belts with quick-release belt buckle, and the shoulder straps engage metal tabs on the lap belts. Hard to describe but best to just call it a military 4-point harness. Lap belts with Y-configured shoulder harnesses... the shoulder harnesses are single-point attach aft, with straps over the shoulders down to the lap belts. After 41CC went nose-over a few years ago, the harness was the only thing that kept old Charlie from dumping out of the cockpit or doing more damage than just getting the ignition key buried into his forehead. You can end up 100% "period authentic" but dead. Nobody will ever sneer at you for having belts in the airplane. If they do, they've probably never built or flown an experimental anyway. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310766#310766 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts From: "coxwelljon" Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat belts but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have been a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in those days. Jon -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310768#310768 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? & updated website with Broadhead pictures From: Don Rucker All, Thank you to everyone that took time to offer your thoughts on a 0290 powered Piet. I value the help and advice of this community very much. "Piet people" are the best! If the condition of the 0290 turns out to be as reported I intend to buy it. I will keep you posted. On another note, I finally got around to updating our project website. 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