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1. 04:00 AM - Re: antenna (Jack Phillips)
2. 04:24 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Doug Dever)
3. 05:22 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Michael Perez)
4. 05:26 AM - Re: antenna (skellytown flyer)
5. 06:04 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (TOM STINEMETZE)
6. 06:22 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN (Steve Ruse)
7. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (mike Hardaway)
8. 07:09 AM - off list topic but an important warning to us all (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Doug Dever)
10. 07:46 AM - Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all (Doug Dever)
11. 07:46 AM - Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? & updated website with Broadhead pictures (Jeff Boatright)
12. 08:00 AM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (Baldeagle)
13. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Michael Perez)
14. 08:35 AM - Re: The purist and seat belts (ldmill)
15. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Dan Yocum)
16. 09:53 AM - Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all (JGriff)
17. 10:04 AM - Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all (Bill Church)
18. 10:09 AM - Re: The purist and seat belts (Bill Church)
19. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Jack)
20. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Tim Willis)
21. 10:55 AM - Re: The purist and seat belts (Bill Church)
22. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all (Doug Dever)
23. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Michael Groah)
24. 11:25 AM - Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (Dick N)
25. 11:34 AM - Pietenpol Directory (Jack)
26. 11:57 AM - Re: antenna (Catdesigns)
27. 12:46 PM - Direcrtory (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
28. 12:50 PM - heads up and time em down good (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
29. 02:00 PM - Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (GliderMike)
30. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (Rick Holland)
31. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (Jim Boyer)
32. 02:41 PM - Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (TOM STINEMETZE)
33. 03:49 PM - new guy needs direction (JOSEPH SWITHIN)
34. 04:13 PM - FAA and new aircraft registration rules- must read! (Billy McCaskill)
35. 04:23 PM - Re: new guy needs direction (Ryan Mueller)
36. 04:47 PM - Re: FAA and new aircraft registration rules- must read! (Matthew VanDervort)
37. 05:01 PM - Split Landing Gear Question (Jack)
38. 05:34 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Gene Rambo)
39. 05:52 PM - Re: Split Landing Gear Question (Billy McCaskill)
40. 05:54 PM - Re: new guy needs direction (Billy McCaskill)
41. 06:02 PM - Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (dgaldrich)
42. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Split Landing Gear Question (Rick Holland)
43. 06:21 PM - Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway (dgaldrich)
44. 06:23 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Jack)
45. 06:39 PM - Re: new guy needs direction (helspersew@aol.com)
46. 06:42 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Kip and Beth Gardner)
47. 06:55 PM - Re: antenna (skellytown flyer)
48. 07:27 PM - Re: antenna (dgaldrich)
49. 07:41 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Davis Roger)
50. 07:49 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Kip and Beth Gardner)
51. 07:54 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Davis Roger)
52. 08:01 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Davis Roger)
53. 08:06 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Davis Roger)
54. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (Mike Volckmann)
55. 08:13 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Mike Volckmann)
56. 08:16 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (AlRice)
57. 08:22 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Gary Boothe)
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Which one did you order? 121.5 MHz or 406MHz? The law is very confused at
the monebt as to which is required.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna
<skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
Well I went ahead and ordered an ELT tonight to go in the GN-1 it comes with
an antenna.but my question is-can I get away with mounting it inside the
tail since I have a fabric plane or does the rules require it to be
external? probably end up being a question for the DAR ? do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
Seat belts weren't even required until the late 60s. Studebaker was the fi
rst to make them std eq in 1959. I'm currently restoring a '63 Ford Falcon
and=2C you guessed it. No seatbelts. Evedently you didn't need them in 1
963.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
> From: coxwelljon@frontiernet.net
> Date: Mon=2C 30 Aug 2010 20:31:28 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat bel
ts but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have
been a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in tho
se days.
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> Jon
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> GN-1 Builder
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
Copy that. My dad is the original owner of a '63 Bonneville and it does not
have seat belts.
FYI, my plane will, I was just curious how far a purist will go to be, well
, pure...as it were.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
=0A=0A=0ASeat belts weren't even required until the late 60s.- Studebaker
was the first to make them std eq in 1959.- I'm currently restoring a '6
3 Ford Falcon and, you guessed it.- No seatbelts.- Evedently you didn't
need them in 1963.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
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=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
> From: coxwelljon@frontiernet.net
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:31:28 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat bel
ts but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have
been a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in tho
se days.
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> Jon
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> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
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I got the cheapest one I could find- the ACK E-01 from everything I have read
it's still legal and once it's signed off I'm not going to worry too much about
them fir a while.just have to get that airworthiness certificate.that is one
of the things on the list the DAR will not sign off without
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper |
>>>On Saturday I was able to give a ride in my Aeronca to my cousin's 7
year old son. His name is Axel.
Dan:
Did you send him after fuel - 5-gallons at a time - and promise him a
"free" ride at the end of the day?
Stinemetze
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN |
DVD? Hmmph. Purists only watch TGWP with a reel to reel projector,
or possibly Betamax, in a pinch.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
do not archive
Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>:
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> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/The+Great+Waldo+Pepper+-+Widescreen+Dolby+-+DVD/18604073.p?skuId=18604073&id=47584
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>
> Thanks to an off-list e-mail from a good Piet builder in the
> Northwest named Jake I was given this great NEWS about TGWP DVD
> becoming available in widescreen and at a decent price.
>
> Just gather round folks, just gather round..........
>
> Thanks Jake !
>
> Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
At some level, purism Darwinizes itself out of existence. Let's not be too
silly with these threads.
Mike Hardaway
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Copy that. My dad is the original owner of a '63 Bonneville and it does not
> have seat belts.
>
> FYI, my plane will, I was just curious how far a purist will go to be,
> well, pure...as it were.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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> --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>* wrote:
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> [snip]
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| Subject: | off list topic but an important warning to us all |
During my morning reading and scan I came across this article as another
tragic event unfolded to take the life of a fellow aviator. The article
really demonstrates that no matter how experienced we are or well intended
,
tragedy can strike immediately and with dire consequences.
John
_Weymouth man killed by propeller at Beverly airport_
(http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/08/weymouth_man_ki.ht
ml)
By L. Finch, Globe Correspondent
A 30-year-old flight instructor from Weymouth was struck and killed this
afternoon by an airplane propeller at Beverly Municipal Airport when the
man
exited his aircraft to help another pilot, officials said.
Michael Costales was waiting to taxi his single-engine aircraft to runway
34 when he noticed a plane ahead of him, carrying a pilot and a student
pilot, having trouble with its canopy, according to the Essex district at
torney=99
s office, which conducted a preliminary investigation of the incident.
Though details were unclear today about what happened next, when he got ou
t
to help the other plane, Costales was struck by his own propeller, the
district attorney=99s office said.
His death appears to be an accident, officials said. The airport was close
d
for a couple of hours after the incident.
Costales was the head flight instructor for the Beverly Flight Center, a
flight school at the airport, where he had worked the past decade, said Pa
ul
Vitale, chairman of the Beverly Airport Commission.
"He was a great guy, loved the airport, and loved his job," Vitale said.
"It=99s just a tragedy."
The FAA, the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and th
e
National Transportation Safety Board are investigating.
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
Mine will too. I am a purist=2C but I'm not stupid...well...most of the ti
me. If I read an earlier post correctly even BHP used a seat belt. Albeit
a crude one. I like to say mine will be as true to the original as safely
possible. Keeping in mind I will be flying off of a paved strip. They cl
osed the 2 sod strips at my local airport. Mostly due to stupidity and mil
k toast management. So there is only a 4000ft paved strip now.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
Copy that. My dad is the original owner of a '63 Bonneville and it does not
have seat belts.
FYI=2C my plane will=2C I was just curious how far a purist will go to be
=2C well=2C pure...as it were.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue=2C 8/31/10=2C Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
Seat belts weren't even required until the late 60s. Studebaker was the fi
rst to make them std eq in 1959. I'm currently restoring a '63 Ford Falcon
and=2C you guessed it. No seatbelts. Evedently you didn't need them in 1
963.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
> From: coxwelljon@frontiernet.net
> Date: Mon=2C 30 Aug 2010 20:31:28 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
t.net>
>
> Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat bel
ts but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have
been a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in tho
se days.
>
> Jon
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | off list topic but an important warning to us all |
Always amazed me how people can do something like this. especially an expe
rienced pilot. I have done some pretty dumb things occasionally=2C but onl
y once. I am extremely allergic to airplane propellers as I am sharks so I
tend to steer clear. I am not afraid to hand prop an airplane=2C but I am
paranoid enough to keep me safe. Hopefully. I had to hand prop a 220hp e
ngine from behind on floats once. I had left the master on. Notice I said
once. I've never left the master on again. Sometimes I think we have to
be scared enough to make an impression. Sometimes some of us don't get sca
red enough. Just my thoughts.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: off list topic but an important warning to us all
During my morning reading and scan I came across this article as another t
ragic event unfolded to take the life of a fellow aviator. The article real
ly demonstrates that no matter how experienced we are or well intended=2C t
ragedy can strike immediately and with dire consequences.
John
Weymouth man killed by propeller at Beverly airport
By L. Finch=2C Globe Correspondent
A 30-year-old flight instructor from Weymouth was struck and killed this af
ternoon by an airplane propeller at Beverly Municipal Airport when the man
exited his aircraft to help another pilot=2C officials said.
Michael Costales was waiting to taxi his single-engine aircraft to runway 3
4 when he noticed a plane ahead of him=2C carrying a pilot and a student pi
lot=2C having trouble with its canopy=2C according to the Essex district at
torney=92s office=2C which conducted a preliminary investigation of the inc
ident.
Though details were unclear today about what happened next=2C when he got o
ut to help the other plane=2C Costales was struck by his own propeller=2C t
he district attorney=92s office said.
His death appears to be an accident=2C officials said. The airport was clos
ed for a couple of hours after the incident.
Costales was the head flight instructor for the Beverly Flight Center=2C a
flight school at the airport=2C where he had worked the past decade=2C said
Paul Vitale=2C chairman of the Beverly Airport Commission.
"He was a great guy=2C loved the airport=2C and loved his job=2C" Vitale sa
id. "It=92s just a tragedy."
The FAA=2C the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration=2C and
the National Transportation Safety Board are investigating.
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? & updated website with Broadhead |
pictures
Hey Don,
Great site! Good luck with the engine purchase. BTW, Brodhead is
spelled with one "a" (not "Broadhead"). Don't ask me why, but as
Stengel used to say "You could look it up!"
Good luck with the build,
Jeff
>All,
>
>Thank you to everyone that took time to offer your thoughts on a
>0290 powered Piet. I value the help and advice of this community
>very much. "Piet people" are the best! If the condition of the 0290
>turns out to be as reported I intend to buy it. I will keep you
>posted.
>
>On another note, I finally got around to updating our project
>website. It now includes a tab for Broadhead with some pics some of
>you might enjoy.
>
><http://www.firstwings.net>www.firstwings.net
>
>Thanks,
>Don
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
The Model A will sometimes make a fluttering sound on final, maybe due to some
of the things mentioned above, airflow driving the prop etc. As long as it idles
well on the ground I don't think it should be a problem, hard to really judge
without hearing it, but that is what I would lean towards.
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
"Let's not be too silly with these threads."
That's wishful thinking judging off of what I have seen posted here and in the
archives in the past! Oh and...
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
Ask Jack Rousch about seat belts (the guy that crashed his jet at Oshkosh this
year) - and not having a shoulder harness on... or at least not tight. If he had,
I think he probably would still have use of his now useless eye socket.
I've been anal about making sure everything is snug in my GN-1 since that day.
Lorin
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Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
I don't think NOT putting seat belts is even an option. In fact, I think you
're required to put shoulder harnesses in the front seat now-a-days. Check w
ith your DAR or FSDO.
Of course, I could be completely wrong about this.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Aug 31, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote
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> "Let's not be too silly with these threads."
>
> That's wishful thinking judging off of what I have seen posted here and in
the archives in the past! Oh and...
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all |
This happened at my home airport though I didn't know the instructor. Be careful
out there folks.
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| Subject: | Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all |
Well, when you get hit with a propeller, it usually only happens ONCE. You don't
get a chance to learn from that kind of mistake.
You were lucky that you got the opportunity to learn from your mistake.
This was an experienced instructor that this horrible accident happened to.
The point is that NOBODY should ever feel relaxed around a propeller.
Thanks, John for posting this reminder to everyone.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
Just curious as to how a Model T would "jack knife". I understand the concept with
a tractor-trailer, but how exactly does a car jack knife? Bend in the middle?
do not archive
BC
>
> Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat belts but
the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have been a
lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in those days.
>
> Jon
>
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
Maybe his Secretary didn't have time to "snug it up" Sorry, I couldn't
resist.
Jack
DSM
DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ldmill
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
Ask Jack Rousch about seat belts (the guy that crashed his jet at Oshkosh
this year) - and not having a shoulder harness on... or at least not tight.
If he had, I think he probably would still have use of his now useless eye
socket.
I've been anal about making sure everything is snug in my GN-1 since that
day.
Lorin
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Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
On the Model T......... I think he is describing a broken steering tie-rod, so
that the front wheels are pointing in different directions-- splayed-- bringing
the car to a sudden halt. Given no safety glass in the large glass windshield,
this could ruin your whole day even before you hit the ground or tree. With
roads as they usualy were, strains on steering gear were heavy, even at the
low common speeds of the time.
BTW, Model A's had forged axles, tie-rods and the like, as I recall, and were greatly
stronger.
This is relevant only to the times of BP and his original design-- I will bet he
had at least seat belts in his "Last Original." Do we know for sure?
Tim in central TX
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>Sent: Aug 31, 2010 12:09 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
>
>
>Just curious as to how a Model T would "jack knife". I understand the concept
with a tractor-trailer, but how exactly does a car jack knife? Bend in the middle?
>
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>BC
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>> Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat belts
but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have been
a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in those days.
>>
>> Jon
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
Looks like the Last Original has at least lap belts for both seats:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/BHP%20Built/P1010023.JPG
Once again, westcoastpiet to the rescue.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: off list topic but an important warning to us |
all
I agree. I'm not relaxed even when they're not turning.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: off list topic but an important warning to u
s all
> From: billspiet@sympatico.ca
> Date: Tue=2C 31 Aug 2010 10:04:21 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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ca>
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> Well=2C when you get hit with a propeller=2C it usually only happens ONCE
. You don't get a chance to learn from that kind of mistake.
> You were lucky that you got the opportunity to learn from your mistake.
> This was an experienced instructor that this horrible accident happened t
o.
> The point is that NOBODY should ever feel relaxed around a propeller.
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> Thanks=2C John for posting this reminder to everyone.
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| Subject: | Re: The purist and seat belts |
What he's referring to is a model T that isn't set up correctly can have the
tendency to have the steering very twitchy. They can snap over all the way in
one direction or the other. The early T's have the wishbone attached at the top
of the axle and they can end up with too little caster. Most of us that drive
them put on an accessory wishbone that braces the bottom of the axle, keeping
enough caster. It can get exciting to go around a corner and have your steering
spin all the way over in that direction! It's kinda hard on the car too.
Mike Groah
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________________________________
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:09:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts
Just curious as to how a Model T would "jack knife". I understand the concept
with a tractor-trailer, but how exactly does a car jack knife? Bend in the
middle?
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BC
>
> Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat belts but
>the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have been a lot
>more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in those days.
>
>
> Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
I have a O-290 D2 for another project. I was told it will produce 140
hp . You better check into that further. It seems like a bit much for
a Piet.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Rucker
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ?
Help!
I have found a local, 0 time since factory remanufacture Lycoming
0290 (125hp) cheap. It is complete. When I say cheap I am talking less
than a Covair project. This seems an excessive amount of horsepower for
a Piet. Best I can determine this model 0290 weighs 240lb dry. That is
not much different than a model =93A=94 from a weigh perspective. Does
anyone know of a successful Piet flying with a 0290? The owner is going
to list it Monday so I must act quickly.
All thoughts welcome.
Thanks,
Don
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would
like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
Please input as shown in row # 2.
Thanks,
Jack
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
www.textors.com
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This is just my opinion and I will admit it is probably not a great idea to make
the DAR mad at you BUT according to the FARs you do not need an ELT until you
are done with flight testing. Therefore an ELT is not requires to receive your
airworthiness certificate. It is required (paragraph a) as soon as you transition
out of the test phase and can carry passengers .
Look at 91.207 paragraph f (snipped below)
(f) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to (paragraph 'a 'requires an
ELT)
..(4) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to design and testing;
..(5) New aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to their manufacture,
preparation, and delivery;
As for mounting the ELT it is not stated it has to be in the tail, just as far
aft as practical.
(b) Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section
must be attached to the airplane in such a manner that the probability of damage
to the transmitter in the event of crash impact is minimized. Fixed and deployable
automatic type transmitters must be attached to the airplane as far
aft as practicable.
Read the complete FAR 91.207 below
Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
PART 91GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES
91.207 Emergency locator transmitters.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (e) and (f) of this section, no person may
operate a U.S.-registered civil airplane unless
(1) There is attached to the airplane an approved automatic type emergency locator
transmitter that is in operable condition for the following operations, except
that after June 21, 1995, an emergency locator transmitter that meets the
requirements of TSO-C91 may not be used for new installations:
(i) Those operations governed by the supplemental air carrier and commercial operator
rules of parts 121 and 125;
(ii) Charter flights governed by the domestic and flag air carrier rules of part
121 of this chapter; and
(iii) Operations governed by part 135 of this chapter; or
(2) For operations other than those specified in paragraph (a)(1) of this section,
there must be attached to the airplane an approved personal type or an approved
automatic type emergency locator transmitter that is in operable condition,
except that after June 21, 1995, an emergency locator transmitter that meets
the requirements of TSO-C91 may not be used for new installations.
(b) Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section
must be attached to the airplane in such a manner that the probability of damage
to the transmitter in the event of crash impact is minimized. Fixed and deployable
automatic type transmitters must be attached to the airplane as far
aft as practicable.
(c) Batteries used in the emergency locator transmitters required by paragraphs
(a) and (b) of this section must be replaced (or recharged, if the batteries
are rechargeable)
(1) When the transmitter has been in use for more than 1 cumulative hour; or
(2) When 50 percent of their useful life (or, for rechargeable batteries, 50 percent
of their useful life of charge) has expired, as established by the transmitter
manufacturer under its approval.
The new expiration date for replacing (or recharging) the battery must be legibly
marked on the outside of the transmitter and entered in the aircraft maintenance
record. Paragraph (c)(2) of this section does not apply to batteries (such
as water-activated batteries) that are essentially unaffected during probable
storage intervals.
(d) Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section
must be inspected within 12 calendar months after the last inspection for
(1) Proper installation;
(2) Battery corrosion;
(3) Operation of the controls and crash sensor; and
(4) The presence of a sufficient signal radiated from its antenna.
(e) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this section, a person may
(1) Ferry a newly acquired airplane from the place where possession of it was taken
to a place where the emergency locator transmitter is to be installed; and
(2) Ferry an airplane with an inoperative emergency locator transmitter from a
place where repairs or replacements cannot be made to a place where they can be
made.
No person other than required crewmembers may be carried aboard an airplane being
ferried under paragraph (e) of this section.
(f) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to
(1) Before January 1, 2004, turbojet-powered aircraft;
(2) Aircraft while engaged in scheduled flights by scheduled air carriers;
(3) Aircraft while engaged in training operations conducted entirely within a 50-nautical
mile radius of the airport from which such local flight operations
began;
(4) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to design and testing;
(5) New aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to their manufacture,
preparation, and delivery;
(6) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to the aerial application
of chemicals and other substances for agricultural purposes;
(7) Aircraft certificated by the Administrator for research and development purposes;
(8) Aircraft while used for showing compliance with regulations, crew training,
exhibition, air racing, or market surveys;
(9) Aircraft equipped to carry not more than one person.
(10) An aircraft during any period for which the transmitter has been temporarily
removed for inspection, repair, modification, or replacement, subject to the
following:
(i) No person may operate the aircraft unless the aircraft records contain an entry
which includes the date of initial removal, the make, model, serial number,
and reason for removing the transmitter, and a placard located in view of the
pilot to show ELT not installed.
(ii) No person may operate the aircraft more than 90 days after the ELT is initially
removed from the aircraft; and
(11) On and after January 1, 2004, aircraft with a maximum payload capacity of
more than 18,000 pounds when used in air transportation.
[Doc. No. 18334, 54 FR 34304, Aug. 18, 1989, as amended by Amdt. 91242, 59 FR 32057,
June 21, 1994; 59 FR 34578, July 6, 1994; Amdt. 91265, 65 FR 81319, Dec.
22, 2000; 66 FR 16316, Mar. 23, 2001]
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=6af747b63993991cd203bb42db7aa215&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.3.10&idno=14#14:2.0.1.3.10.3.7.4
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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For our own purposes it would be great if we could get everyone listed. I
know there are many more out there that are not signed on yet and should be
encouraged to participate.
Juss my opinion
John
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the annals of forever !
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| Subject: | heads up and time em down good |
(http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xWxAyZlXkHclhxvMajazfgalSQWi?format=standard)
* _Pilots should prepare for Hurricane Earl_
(http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xWxAyZlXkHclhxqkajazfgalCfbu?format=standard)
Hurricane Earl has been upgraded to a Category 4 storm, and hurricane
experts predict a 25% chance of landfall on U.S. soil. The hurricane could
affect general aviation by disrupting flights along the East Coast from Maine
to Florida. Hurricane winds can break planes free of their tie-downs and
also tear off hangar doors. _The Examiner_
(http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xWxAyZlXkHclhxqkajazfgalCfbu?format=standard) (8/30)
(http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xWxAyZlXkHclhDhUajazfgallIgX)
(http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xWxAyZlXkHclhDnwajazfgaluaWl)
Do not archive, these alerts change with the weather!
John
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
Doesn't too much horsepower fall into the same category as too much runway?
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
Or too much sex.
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On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:00 PM, GliderMike <glidermikeg@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Doesn't too much horsepower fall into the same category as too much runway?
> do not archive
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> HOMEBUILDER
> Will WORK for Spruce
> Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
> GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310849#310849
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
Or as my father, my flight instructor, said; the runway behind you and the
altitude above you do you no good.
----- Original Message -----
From: "GliderMike" <glidermikeg@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:00:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ?
Doesn't too much horsepower fall into the same category as too much runway?
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
>>> "GliderMike" <glidermikeg@yahoo.com> 8/31/2010 4:00 PM >>>
>>>Doesn't too much horsepower fall into the same category as too much
runway?
Not necessarily. As others on this list have commented in the past, if
you get a Piet up near 100 MPH it starts letting you know that it does not
particularly like it. If you constantly run your engine lower than it's
comfortable power range (75% power more or less) then you run the risk of
fouling some or all of the plugs. This is normally only a problem if you
are using leaded fuel as it needs the higher temps to vaporize the lead
and send it on out the exhaust. Under run aviation engines are known to
collect lead balls in the lower set of plugs if run in the lower power
settings for too long.
Now, having sounded like an expert in the field let me state that I have
no qualifications in this field whatsoever. (But I did stay in a Motel 8
list night.) Flamers and knowledgeable corrections will be tolerated.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | new guy needs direction |
I know you have been through this countless times, but who do I purchase the
aircamper plans from? I' am also interested in the plans for the low wing
version as well. The information phase is in full swing and I hope to get
started soon.
Joe Swithin, Morris IL
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| Subject: | FAA and new aircraft registration rules- must read! |
Just read about this on the EAA website...
http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2010-08_fees.asp
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: new guy needs direction |
Plans can be bought from the Pietenpol family. Their website with ordering
information is located at:
http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/
<http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/>There are no available plans for a
low-wing version. Years ago a Canadian by the name of Casey Irwin supposedly
started with Pietenpol plans and built a low-wing homebuilt based on a Piet,
but I've personally never seen or heard anything of that airplane beyond the
"What our members are building" blurb in Sport Aviation from 1982. It was
deleted from the Candian registry in 2000, so it may be no more. It was
registered as a Pietenpol GN-1, so who knows how much of either it actually
had in it.
If you want a low-wing all wood "classic" homebuilt, you could look into the
Fly Baby:
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/
Although it is only a single seat design. People have come up two seat
variants over the years, but none that have really caught on to eclipse the
original, it would seem.
Ryan
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:48 PM, JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin@yahoo.com>wrote:
> I know you have been through this countless times, but who do I purchase
> the aircamper plans from? I' am also interested in the plans for the low
> wing version as well. The information phase is in full swing and I hope to
> get started soon.
>
> Joe Swithin, Morris IL
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| Subject: | Re: FAA and new aircraft registration rules- must read! |
Glad Gpa just "sold" me the Piet and tcraft, saved me a bit of money although I
much prefer the 5$ fee..
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 31, 2010, at 7:13 PM, "Billy McCaskill" <billmz@cox.net> wrote:
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> Just read about this on the EAA website...
>
> http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2010-08_fees.asp
>
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> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
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| Subject: | Split Landing Gear Question |
For the split gear, main V's the plans call for 1 3/8" 14 gauge 1020 steel
tube, I believe that equates to .083 wall thickness. With 4130 should I
increase to .095 or could is be decreased to .065 safely?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
The Keeper of the List.
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Jack=2C I would fill this out but I cannot open the darned thing. What kin
d of 3rd world format did you use for this thing?????
Gene
do not archive
> From: jack@textors.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
> Date: Tue=2C 31 Aug 2010 13:33:25 -0500
>
> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you wou
ld
> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
> Please input as shown in row # 2.
> Thanks=2C
> Jack
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> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines=2C IA 50312
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| Subject: | Re: Split Landing Gear Question |
I would err on the side of strength and safety and use the .095" wall tubing.
You probably would only add a pound or less to the overall weight. Landing gear
malfunctions are reputed to be highly over-rated, at least according to Axel
Purtee...
[Shocked]
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: new guy needs direction |
Perhaps we should post a sticky or FAQ thread with the source for the plans? This
question seems to come up a lot lately. Anybody know how to do this?
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
I would think that proper leaning would keep the lead fouling to a minimum. Again,
opinions from an unrecognized non-expert.
Dave Aldrich
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| Subject: | Re: Split Landing Gear Question |
Plus its easier to weld.
rick
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I would err on the side of strength and safety and use the .095" wall
> tubing. You probably would only add a pound or less to the overall weight.
> Landing gear malfunctions are reputed to be highly over-rated, at least
> according to Axel Purtee...
>
> [Shocked]
>
> --------
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310865#310865
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting |
anyway
She was obviously NOT a thief...she had shoes on.
Dave Aldrich
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected
them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time
permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
answer the questions below and return.
Good luck!
Jack
Volunteer-Keeper of the List
First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model,
Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
_____________________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would
like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
Please input as shown in row # 2.
Thanks,
Jack
<< File: Piet List Template.xls >>
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | Re: new guy needs direction |
Hi Joe,
I have a flying example for you to see, close by. I could even fly it over
there. Send me a message off-list if you desire.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:48 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: new guy needs direction
I know you have been through this countless times, but who do I purchase
the aircamper plans from? I' am also interested in the plans for the low
wing version as well. The information phase is in full swing and I hope
to get started soon.
Joe Swithin, Morris IL
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Hi Jack,
I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was not anything
Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by matronics.
Kip Gardner
On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
> Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected
> them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time
> permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
> answer the questions below and return.
> Good luck!
> Jack
> Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>
> First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
> Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model,
> Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>
> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would
> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
> Please input as shown in row # 2.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
> << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com
>
>
> <winmail.dat>
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Well though there are exceptions for installing one right away- the check list
I have from the only DAR I know of close enough to do the inspection states ELT
installed with operational check in accordance with FAR 91.207(d) if more than
one place airplane.I realize I could argue the point but for 150 bucks I'll
go along and try to keep it simple.basically I still would like to find out if
it is acceptable to have the antenna inside the tail out of sight. I guess once
it comes in if there isn't specific instructions concerning it I'll start
calling someone.
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You may need a metal plate as a ground plane (see certified aluminum planes).
That would eliminate the tail. Because the fuselage is wood, you could put a
thin metal plate across the longerons and attach the antenna to it, all inside
the covering. Could be oriented up or down. There are other, more complicated
options not involving ground planes and i'll bet there is information in the
archives.
Dave Aldrich
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine.
RD
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
> kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was not
> anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by
> matronics.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics
> rejected
> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As
> time
> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
> > answer the questions below and return.
> > Good luck!
> > Jack
> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List
> >
> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet
> Model,
> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
> >
> >
> >
> > _____________________________________________
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
> >
> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you
> would
> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
> > Please input as shown in row # 2.
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
> >
> >
> > Jack Textor
> > 29 SW 58th Drive
> > Des Moines, IA 50312
> > www.textors.com
> >
> >
> > <winmail.dat>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel.
Kip G.
On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
> I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine.
>
> RD
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner
> <kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
> <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me
> was not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it
> got changed by matronics.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and
> Matronics rejected
> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I
> attached. As time
> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't
> work just
> > answer the questions below and return.
> > Good luck!
> > Jack
> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List
> >
> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email,
> Piet Model,
> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
> >
> >
> >
> > _____________________________________________
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
> >
> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information.
> If you would
> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of
> the
> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email
> jack@textors.com.
> > Please input as shown in row # 2.
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
> >
> >
> > Jack Textor
> > 29 SW 58th Drive
> > Des Moines, IA 50312
> > www.textors.com
> >
> >
> > <winmail.dat>
>
>
> ==========
> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> ==========
> http://forums.matronics.com
> ==========
> le, List Admin.
> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> ==========
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Go to Google.com look at the top left, click on documents. I don't know must
have just got lucky I guess.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
> That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel.
>
> Kip G.
>
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
>
> I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine.
>
> RD
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Hi Jack,
>>
>> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was
>> not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by
>> matronics.
>>
>> Kip Gardner
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics
>> rejected
>> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As
>> time
>> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work
>> just
>> > answer the questions below and return.
>> > Good luck!
>> > Jack
>> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>> >
>> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
>> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet
>> Model,
>> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _____________________________________________
>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
>> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>> >
>> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you
>> would
>> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
>> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
>> > Please input as shown in row # 2.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Jack
>> >
>> >
>> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Jack Textor
>> > 29 SW 58th Drive
>> > Des Moines, IA 50312
>> > www.textors.com
>> >
>> >
>> > <winmail.dat>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ==========
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> le, List Admin.
>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> *
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Sorry, try the top left corner on the gmail page
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Davis Roger <iyaayas388@gmail.com> wrote:
> Go to Google.com look at the top left, click on documents. I don't know
> must have just got lucky I guess.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel.
>>
>> Kip G.
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
>>
>> I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine.
>>
>> RD
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
>> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> Hi Jack,
>>>
>>> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was
>>> not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by
>>> matronics.
>>>
>>> Kip Gardner
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics
>>> rejected
>>> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As
>>> time
>>> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work
>>> just
>>> > answer the questions below and return.
>>> > Good luck!
>>> > Jack
>>> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>>> >
>>> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
>>> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet
>>> Model,
>>> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _____________________________________________
>>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
>>> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>>> >
>>> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you
>>> would
>>> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
>>> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
>>> > Please input as shown in row # 2.
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Jack
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jack Textor
>>> > 29 SW 58th Drive
>>> > Des Moines, IA 50312
>>> > www.textors.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > <winmail.dat>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>> ==========
>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>> le, List Admin.
>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> *
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Here is the link to it, hopefuly it will work
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AhOF3o-5hGWKdHJRbDBmQXl5V0tjRzZweXQ1S2tOQVE&hl=en&authkey=CJ7OlocO
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Davis Roger <iyaayas388@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, try the top left corner on the gmail page
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Davis Roger <iyaayas388@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Go to Google.com look at the top left, click on documents. I don't know
>> must have just got lucky I guess.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
>> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel.
>>>
>>> Kip G.
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine.
>>>
>>> RD
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <
>>> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jack,
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was
>>>> not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed
by
>>>> matronics.
>>>>
>>>> Kip Gardner
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics
>>>> rejected
>>>> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As
>>>> time
>>>> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work
>>>> just
>>>> > answer the questions below and return.
>>>> > Good luck!
>>>> > Jack
>>>> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>>>> >
>>>> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
>>>> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet
>>>> Model,
>>>> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > _____________________________________________
>>>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
>>>> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>>>> >
>>>> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you
>>>> would
>>>> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
>>>> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com
>>>> .
>>>> > Please input as shown in row # 2.
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Jack
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Jack Textor
>>>> > 29 SW 58th Drive
>>>> > Des Moines, IA 50312
>>>> > www.textors.com
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > <winmail.dat>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ==========
>>>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>>> ==========
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>> ==========
>>>> le, List Admin.
>>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
Not really.- The Hornet was offered with a Rotax 912-with out a wing th
at could =0Astand the airspeed that the 912 would allow it to reach and the
re were some =0Aaccidents caused by the wing warping and not allowing the p
ilot to roll out of a =0Aturn.=0A-Mike Volckmann =0A=0A=0AThe only thing
we ever learn from history is that we never learn from history. =0AGeorge B
ernard Shaw =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Glid
erMike <glidermikeg@yahoo.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: T
ue, August 31, 2010 2:00:25 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming 0290
mikeg@yahoo.com>=0A=0ADoesn't too much horsepower fall into the same catego
ry as too much runway?=0Ado not archive=0A=0A--------=0AHOMEBUILDER=0AWill
WORK for Spruce=0ALong flights, smooth air, and soft landings,=0AGliderMike
, aka Mike Glasgow=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://f
orums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310849#310849=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
It showed up in my in box as a .xls file that OpenOffice.org opened fine.
=0A-Mike Volckmann =0A=0AThe only thing we ever learn from history is tha
t we never learn from history. =0AGeorge Bernard Shaw =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___
_____________________________=0AFrom: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@eart
hlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, August 31, 2010
7:49:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory=0A=0AThat be
a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel. =0A=0AKip G.
=0A=0A=0AOn Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:=0A=0A-I opened
it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine. =0A>=0A>RD=0A>=0A
>=0A>On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@eart
Beth Gardner =0A><kipandbeth@earthlink.net>=0A>>=0A>>Hi Jack,=0A>>=0A>>I do
n't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was not =0A
>>anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). -Maybe it got changed b
y =0A>>matronics.=0A>>=0A>>Kip Gardner=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:
23 PM, Jack wrote:=0A>>=0A>>> Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other
formats and Matronics rejected=0A>>> them. -Do you have Microsoft Excel?
-That is the format I attached. As time=0A>>> permits I will try to form
at in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just=0A>>> answer the questions
below and return.=0A>>> Good luck!=0A>>> Jack=0A>>> Volunteer-Keeper of the
List=0A>>>=0A>>> First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country,
Home Base,=0A>>> Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary
Email, Piet Model,=0A>>> Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project S
tatus, Comments=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> ___________________________________
__________=0A>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A>>> [mai
lto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack=0A>>> Sent
: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM=0A>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0A>>> Subject: -Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory=0A>>>=0A>>> I just s
ent out the list to all that shared their information. -If you would=0A>>
> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the=0A>
>> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
=0A>>> Please input as shown in row # 2.=0A>>> Thanks,=0A>>> Jack=0A>>>=0A>
>>=0A>>> << File: Piet List Template.xls >>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> Jack Textor
=0A>>> 29 SW 58th Drive=0A>>> Des Moines, IA 50312=0A>>> www.textors.com=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Jack, excellent job. Thanks for all the work that you have done. It will come
in handy when I need to contact other builders in Florida.
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Al Rice
Skybolt 260
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Have Microsoft Excel 2007.opened fine for me.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Davis Roger
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Go to Google.com look at the top left, click on documents. I don't know must
have just got lucky I guess.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel.
Kip G.
On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:
I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine.
RD
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Hi Jack,
I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was not
anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by
matronics.
Kip Gardner
On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote:
> Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics
rejected
> them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As
time
> permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
> answer the questions below and return.
> Good luck!
> Jack
> Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>
> First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
> Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet
Model,
> Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>
> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you
would
> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
> Please input as shown in row # 2.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
> << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com
>
>
> <winmail.dat>
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